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Or it could just be a heavy dose of karma.
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Not dismissing the opinions of others or yourself, but I think the constant negativity by several posters is a turn-off for most people. I also think that the constant attacks by the Baker Mayfield fan base on others who try to be objective deters others from posting.
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If only you were actually being objective that would certainly help.
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HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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I's it me or is activity on the board at an all time low for this point in a season? There's not much to talk about. In years past, when we'd hit this point in a failed season, we'd shift to talking about what needs to be fixed, what players we should get, etc.... but, here we are with a nearly stacked roster and we're still seeing the exact same ineptness we've seen for over two decades. ....which leaves us dumbfounded or certainly dispirited, hence a lack of enthusiasm leading to lower participation. Just my take...
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Can we expect Jacoby Brisset to win the Bengal game with his outstanding @uarterback play.
I do. (No mas give him a pass.)
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Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The call was correct, but the refs incorrectly called it on Dunn. Should have been called on Jordan Elliot who moves first before the Ravens make contact with the a Browns player and Ravens were still in the neutral zone.
Who carez about the call when everybody knowz, everybody knowz the refz got in the huddle, they said "it's Cleveland" It'z Cleveland??? Yep, it'z Cleveland. Well we have to make the call go against Cleveland. against Cleveland?? Ya it's Cleveland. OIC. ... false start, got to make sure the right team, (the bad guys) win. because Only In Cleveland.
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I's it me or is activity on the board at an all time low for this point in a season? There's not much to talk about. In years past, when we'd hit this point in a failed season, we'd shift to talking about what needs to be fixed, what players we should get, etc.... but, here we are with a nearly stacked roster and we're still seeing the exact same ineptness we've seen for over two decades. I think the roster is a lot less stacked than when the Browns beat the Cowboys in 2020.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I's it me or is activity on the board at an all time low for this point in a season?
IMO, the coaching staff didn't work hard enough to teach football in the offseason and preseason and that led to giving games away that the Browns should have won.
I'm not sure that the Browns players believe in this coaching staff after losing games we should have won. That is also a real turn off for the fans who recognize a mess when they see one.
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I's it me or is activity on the board at an all time low for this point in a season? For me, this season finally broke me. The Jets game finally broke me. You could give the Browns a HOF player in their prime at every position and they would find a way to screw it up. That's just the way it is. So I ask myself...what's the point?
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Trading away Rashard Higginz and Baker Mayfield for Jacoby (inconceivable) Brizzett and Anthony Schwartz and 3 first round draft pickz and 230 million dollarz ----> (the inflated bag of doritoz price),
and Rishuz finally asks what iz the point?
Analyze that .
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Trading away Rashard Higginz and Baker Mayfield for Jacoby (inconceivable) Brizzett and Anthony Schwartz and 3 first round draft pickz and 230 million dollarz ----> (the inflated bag of doritoz price),
and Rishuz finally asks what iz the point?
Analyze that . Well, going into tonight's game, the Browns will be giving the Texans the #7 pick so far in the 2023 first round for the Watson trade. Just saying.........
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I don’t think us not having Higgins is the reason we stink haha. We’ve stunk my entire life.
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I don't think allowing Higgens to walk and trading Baker has anything to do w/our struggles. Hell, it's addition by subtraction. Both are sucking the joint up in Carolina. I don't think Higgins even has a catch this year and Baker is/was the worst starting qb in the league. A dude named PJ Walker, or something like that, has moved ahead of him.
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Talk about derailing a post as we get to see the Baker hatred spewed all over every topic by him. Funny, the Browns sucking has nothing to do with the former QB but Vers is still trying to make it relevant.
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Trading away Rashard Higginz and Baker Mayfield for Jacoby This is a false statement.
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Trading away Rashard Higginz and Baker Mayfield for Jacoby This is a false statement. No one can possibly know what would be if Baker & Higgins & Landry were still here...could be the same...better...or worse. No one knows.
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PFF GRADES THROUGH 8-weeks
TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
___________________________________2 players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Bitonio - G - 91.3 - 1st of 81 - Nevada - 2014
Chubb - RB - 91.1 - 2nd of 56 - Georgia - 2018
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
Teller - G - 85.3 - 3rd of 81 - Virginia Tech - 2018
___________________________________6 players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Njoku - TE - 83.5 - 3rd of 69 - Miami, FL - 2017
Pocic - C - 82.6 - 2nd of 37 - LSU - 2017
Brissett - QB - 77.5 - 8th of 38 - NC State - 2016
Cooper - WR - 74.9 - 25th of 113 - Alabama - 2016
Conklin - OT - 74.2 - 17th of 78 - Michigan St - 2016
Hudson - OT - 70.1 - 26th of 78 - Cincinnati - 2021
___________________________________10 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Johnson - RB - 68.5 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Froholdt - G - 68.4 - 18th of 81 - Arkansas - 2019
DPJ - WR - 66.5 - 58th of 113 - Michigan - 2020
Wills - OT - 65.8 - 43rd of 78 - Alabama - 2020
Hunt - RB - 62.1 - 44th of 56 - Toledo - 2017
Brown - TE - 61.5 - 30th of 69 - Oregon - 2017
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
York - K - 61.0 - 30th of 40 - LSU - 2022
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
Forbes - OG - 60.0 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
___________________________________7 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Forristall - TE - 59.9 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Woods II - WR - 59.2 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Bell - WR - 53.6 - 106th of 113 - Purdue - 2022
Bryant - TE - 53.1 - 61st of 69 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
Schwartz - WR - 49.3 - NR - Auburn - 2021
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 92.9 - 1st of 117 - Texas A&M - 2017
___________________________________0 players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
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Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR (Injured, out for season) - Northwestern - 2017
Fields -- LB - 82.0 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Takitaki - LB - 78.5 - 6th of 80 - BYU - 2019
Clowney - Edge - 76.2 - 25th of 117 - South Carolina - 2014
Emerson - CB - 76.2 - 17th of 110 - Mississippi St - 2022
Bojorquez - P - 75.7 - 9th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018
Kunaszyk - LB - 70.2 - NR - California - 2019
___________________________________4 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
JOK - LB - 69.3 - 24th of 80 - Notre Dame - 2021
Newsome - CB - 66.3 - 42nd of 110 - Northwestern - 2021
Thomas - Edge - 64.8 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
D. Bell - S - 64.4 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
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Johnson - S - 59.2 - 62nd of 87 - Boston Coll - 2017
Williams - CB - 56.6 - NR - LSU - 2019
Delpit - S - 56.6 - 66th of 87 - LSU - 2020
Bryan - DT - 53.2 - 87th of 126 - Florida - 2018
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - 102nd of 117 - Notre Dame - 2017
Harrison - S - 50.9 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Jones - LB - 47.5 - NR - LSU - 2016
Green - CB - 46.5 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Winfrey - DT - 45.6 - 103rd of 126 - Oklahoma - 2022
Winovich - Edge - 42.4 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Ward - CB - 39.8 - 105th of 110 - Ohio St - 2018
Wright - Edge - 39.2 - 116th of 117 - UAB - 2022
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 77th of 80 (injured, out for season) - LSU - 2020
Togiai - DT - 36.4 - 117th of 126 - Ohio St - 2021
Elliott - DT - 33.6 - 120th of 126 - Missouri - 2020
NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum
SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play
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There is a chance that Walker and Darnold totally suck or get injured moving forward and Baker regains the starting job. Think positive!!!
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I doubt it unless that injury happens.
That isn't so much to comment on Baker. With a new coach in house and the team trading off established stars, it's pretty clear the Panthers are in rebuild mode. They will probably stick with the young guy. They will probably be picking near the top in a top heavy QB class this next draft.
Baker is at that crossroads many QB's have faced. He may latch on somewhere and regain starter status, but more probably he is headed towards one of those upper level back-up roles much like Fitzpatrick. A guy who bounces from team to team and starts a lot but is never quite the guy to get past that 2 year deal.
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I doubt it unless that injury happens.
That isn't so much to comment on Baker. With a new coach in house and the team trading off established stars, it's pretty clear the Panthers are in rebuild mode. They will probably stick with the young guy. They will probably be picking near the top in a top heavy QB class this next draft.
Baker is at that crossroads many QB's have faced. He may latch on somewhere and regain starter status, but more probably he is headed towards one of those upper level back-up roles much like Fitzpatrick. A guy who bounces from team to team and starts a lot but is never quite the guy to get past that 2 year deal. I can agree with this if his reputation can be repaired at all. I think there is a chance he won't play or catch on anywhere. I think he'll play again, but I don't have a clue what that will look like.
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That too, but for the most part reputations can always be repaired. Mostly, it just takes some time if the effort is there.
I think Baker is a decent QB. Now that he is removed from Cleveland and the #1 overall tag he should be able to settle in to some role now that some of the expectations have been removed. This year in Carolina was the time needed for that to happen.
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Baker isn’t a Brown, he’s a backup and not decent. He’s gone like Elvis. Loved him long time, but he’s just too.... limited.
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Baker isn’t a Brown, he’s a backup and not decent. He’s gone like Elvis. Loved him long time, but he’s just too.... limited. What do you mean like Elvis? I saw him in a Walmart a few weeks ago.
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Baker isn’t a Brown, he’s a backup and not decent. He’s gone like Elvis. Loved him long time, but he’s just too.... limited. What do you mean like Elvis? I saw him in a Walmart a few weeks ago. At least it wasn't a Cheesecake Factory.
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I just can’t get over how bad our DTs are lol
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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It was Berry's worst performance in my opinion. Nothing was believable. I was also disappointed in the media. How about asking the question "what is a successful season?"
Berry acted like we are exactly where we are supposed to be at 3-5.
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A day of celebration and reflection.
Tackles are tackles.
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The city should turn that into a work and school holiday. That would be hilarious.
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I may or may not have tweeted this idea to our mayor earlier.
Tackles are tackles.
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Wasn't that the pick that became Chubb too?
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Not sure. We had two that year. The first one was Corbett and the second, Chubb.
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