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No!

LMAO!

Looks like your thread took a turn, Vera.

Ahhh - yes, I remember these sort of factual responses to the personal attacks. A good response to Steve ripping on you. Thanks for the reminder!

Wow. That's really interesting - no idea who the person is breaking down the film, and I skimmed through to the time stamps listed - but interesting. I might not agree with every conclusion after a throw breakdown - but certainly really interesting.

That's fair. However, there was a lot of talk before the season about this topic. And while several posters are permitted to insult and name call over this topic, you better believe that they would be talking about Baker and Jacoby if this year's qb numbers and rankings were reversed.



I feel just the opposite. Do you remember all the conversations surrounding Shanny when he was w/this team. I might have been the only poster defending him at the end. And I didn't like that hire at first either. But, I saw excellence. I see the same w/Stefanski. They are actually very similar in many ways.



100% agreed.

I don't think this is an accurate recollection of Shanny's time here at all. I think many posters - myself included thought Shanny was a fabulous offensive mind and OC. The problem was his attitude, arrogance, not being a team player, and generally looking and acting like he was smarter than anyone one else in the organization ... which might have been true - but when you are the OC, you need to be the OC and not harbor resentment or act like you think you should be the HC. . . . Maybe I'm mis-remembering and am being too hard on his attitude when he was here? But many posters felt then and do now, he was the best OC we've had.

Jacoby is better is many areas. He is more mature than Baker.
Baker has insecurities. Brissett is aware of his limitations as
A QB. Brissett understands his role.
I think Brissett is calming factor in the locker room.
Baker divided locker rooms. Baker's career is built on stupid
Overused cliches.
I give Brissett credit. It's not easy coming into team knowing
After 11 games you are back on the bench. That's called
Character. Baker could never do that.his ego over rides his actual
Ability.

You haven't been reading the board have you?

While some people wish to put all he has done out of their minds and accept it. Their excuse? "And you should forget it too or we'll make it sound like you're the one with the problem."

j/c...

Baker had similar numbers at the end of games. Is this an overall offense issue? Or just two bad QBs?

I was actually going for the roll on the floor emoji, but I just now discovered the full editor feature.

This is what I really wanted... ...the words don't do the picture justice.

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Have to say it's impossible to counter these facts you are coming up with!

Lol

I think to this point, Baker would have won the 3 games the Browns have lost and lost the two they have won.

Because how he played in the past.

Brissett's team is 1 game better than Baker's team.

2-3, 1-4 ....... Neither is very good right now.

The Browns only having two wins has nothing to do with Brissett.

This is obvious to anyone who watches the games.

I think Baker has a career losing record. He won cause of the talent and scheme around him.
Teams never won cause of Baker. For a 1st RD , 1st pick overall
He could never put a team on his shoulders.
So if he was still QB, he might even be 1 and 4.
I can't believe he still has people that think he is a legit
Starting QB

Like I said elsewhere, If Jacoby could do well on dropbacks inside the opponents I0 yard line, the Browns would be better, they'd have more than 2 wins probably.
He's had a LOT of bad dropbacks there. Like 0-for-ten.

How many 4th quarter INT have led to losses, or at least strongly contributed to them? I think that every one of his INTs have. (IIRC)

Besides, I said his team.

I call BS!. Brissett is ranked extremely high in whatever metric you want to use. PFF, QBR, etc. Baker is at the bottom of the barrel. Time to give it up.

I said that one person's team has one more win than the other, and you guys dispute a .... fact? Do you dispute that he has had inopportune INT late in 3 games? Really? What is non-factual about that? Please tell me.

I disputed your comment that stated: Neither is very good right now." I disagree. Jacoby has been a far better qb than Baker thus far. I find that fact indisputable and it is why I started this thread after all the BS talk before the year began. I do agree w/you that the interception in the last game was terrible. In fact, I said so multiple times. The Jets game? Dude led us to two late scores. Threw a desperation late pick after our D and Special teams blew it. Would you have blamed Baker for that? LMAO...let's be real. He led the team to the game-winning FG against Carolina after the D blew it. He led late scores against Pittsburgh. He threw a terrible pick against ATL, but put us in position to win.

Dude is playing well above expectations and he is a better qb than Baker Mayfield right now. That isn't even debatable.

Have you watched every snap Mayfield has taken in 22?

I have. He has been cringeworthy. It's been tough to watch. It would not surprise me if he is out of the league next year.

i agree YTown. right now what separates JB from Baker is the overall QB play through 4 quarters. JB is more consistently accurate throughout the game than Baker is.

however, just like Baker struggling to close out games in the 4th quarter and throwing picks, JB struggles with the same thing; unable to make THE throw at THE time needed most, some resulting in turnovers.

JB is better for this team right now than Baker, but it isn't saying much because a lot of posters last year correctly stated that if we just got average QB play, we'd be good. we're getting good QB play which is one of the reasons we're so efficient on offense. but when we need greatness in the 4th, both QB's are backups.

Man. Talk about fool's gold. Birssett has been hot garbage. The only thing worse then his arm is his ridiculously bad timing and decisions.

Jacoby Bris💩

My title says it all

Brissett was awful today, but he played well enough for the Browns to open the season at 4-1.

Coaching is the primary issue with this team. The head coach is awful and his defensive staff is awful.

2 wins 4 losses
Baker last year 3 wins 3 losses.

Baker is the worst qb in the league by a country mile.

yeah...no.. I don't think he's good but he's def. not the worst

Until today. A 44 rating at the half iirc. more turnovers in the 2nd half including fumbles.

He may be better than a few backups, but that's debatable.

I'd say he an Brissett are about even par

there will be multiple games in the season where the QB has to be able to put a team on his back to go win. that inability is why JB is a backup.

Facts