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I hope Berry decides to upgrade the DT at some point before next year begins. They are absolutely killing us. I am not in the crowd that is trashing our coach and FO unfairly, but our DTs are so freaking bad. It amazes me how often they are easily blocked and huge holes are being opened.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I hope Berry decides to upgrade the DT at some point before next year begins. They are absolutely killing us. I am not in the crowd that is trashing our coach and FO unfairly, but our DTs are so freaking bad. It amazes me how often they are easily blocked and huge holes are being opened.

The weakness of that position I feel has played a role in Walker and Phillips injuries. Need a big time run stuffer. Someone to take up blockers so backers can run free to the ball.


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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That is not good

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Amazing how all these teams are making deals and the Browns are just sitting on the sideline.


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Originally Posted by steve0255
Amazing how all these teams are making deals and the Browns are just sitting on the sideline.

Just because you don't see a deal doesn't mean there isn't activity.

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Originally Posted by FrankZ
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Amazing how all these teams are making deals and the Browns are just sitting on the sideline.

Just because you don't see a deal doesn't mean there isn't activity.

Didn't say there wasn't activity. What I said is other teams are making deals while the Browns (it's not like they don't have needs) are sitting on the sidelines. Or maybe I'm just wrong and being 29th in run defense the last 3-weeks is acceptable to Stefanski and Berry.


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Originally Posted by steve0255
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Amazing how all these teams are making deals and the Browns are just sitting on the sideline.

Just because you don't see a deal doesn't mean there isn't activity.

Didn't say there wasn't activity. What I said is other teams are making deals while the Browns (it's not like they don't have needs) are sitting on the sidelines. Or maybe I'm just wrong and being 29th in run defense the last 3-weeks is acceptable to Stefanski and Berry.

Sitting on the sidelines implies doing nothing.

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The Ravens prioritize winning. The Browns do not.

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He's a good player. It hurts that he is coming to our division. Oh, and I guess 31 other teams don't prioritize winning. LOL

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A lot of teams are already winning. Even some who weren't expected to win because ...gulp ... they are out coaching, out scheming, out playing their opponents.

This isn't rocket science. Your eyes aren't fooling you. Stefanski has done really nice job with the offense. But if you are telling me he's doing a really nice job as a head coach, then you're having the wool pulled over your eyes. The Browns have one of the worst records in the entire league with a roster full of really talented players. And get this, they've played one of the easiest schedules to date.

How that equates to being a good head coach I'm still trying to figure out.

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Okay, I want to clear this up because some folks are lying about how I feel about the responsibilities of the HC. Not you, but others have. Perhaps you believe their BS? I don't know.

Of course, Stefanski is responsible for all the other coaches and units of the team. I even answered your question about that in the Post Game thread a few weeks ago. I have argued w/mac that Stefanski should not take over the defense. I don't want him calling the defensive signals. No sane person would.

If other units are not performing as well as they should due to his coordinators and/or assistant coaches, he absolutely must address it. I am of the opinion that timing matters. I think firing one of the coordinators during this season would be dumb. If one or both need to go, Stefanski should make the change after the season because the bank of replacement coaches will be much larger. That is just my opinion and I could be wrong about when to fire assistants. Despite what some are saying.......this team has not quit. Not even close.

So yes, Stefanski is definitely responsible for the other coaches and their respective units. I just think that those decisions should be made at the appropriate time. Also, I don't know if you noticed this or not...........but Stefanski was standing right behind/beside Woods late in the Baltimore game and talking to him. He was almost certainly being hands-on and offering his assistance/guidance. Reports have surfaced that he is doing similar things in practice.

I understand you hate Stefanski and that won't change, but I'll gladly debate w/you about what we see..........as long as it remains friendly and respectful and you don't resort to the dirty tactics. of the F.B.B.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I hope Berry decides to upgrade the DT at some point before next year begins. They are absolutely killing us. I am not in the crowd that is trashing our coach and FO unfairly, but our DTs are so freaking bad. It amazes me how often they are easily blocked and huge holes are being opened.

vers...how did the Browns end up with such poor DTs..?

Three of the four DTs are Berry's picks..Elliott, a 3rd round pick in 2020...Togiai, a 4th round pick in 2021...and Winfrey, a 4th rounder in 2022. Free Agent Bryan added this year...All weighing in a 290 lbs with Elliott weighing in at 303.

Just what criteria is Berry using to pick the Browns DTs..?




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Just what criteria is Berry using to pick the Browns DTs..?

I don't know, mac. Maybe you can call his attorney or ask Depo???

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Just what criteria is Berry using to pick the Browns DTs..?

I don't know, mac. Maybe you can call his attorney or ask Depo???

This post ^^^ is exactly YOU doing what YOU rail against, constantly.

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Originally Posted by mac
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I hope Berry decides to upgrade the DT at some point before next year begins. They are absolutely killing us. I am not in the crowd that is trashing our coach and FO unfairly, but our DTs are so freaking bad. It amazes me how often they are easily blocked and huge holes are being opened.

vers...how did the Browns end up with such poor DTs..?

Three of the four DTs are Berry's picks..Elliott, a 3rd round pick in 2020...Togiai, a 4th round pick in 2021...and Winfrey, a 4th rounder in 2022. Free Agent Bryan added this year...All weighing in a 290 lbs with Elliott weighing in at 303.

Just what criteria is Berry using to pick the Browns DTs..?

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/.amp/browns-maven-features/significance-of-jordan-elliott

Elliott’s weight is over 320 now.

Togiai is 296.

Winfrey and Bryan were both 291 when drafted. I haven’t seen any updated weights


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Interesting considering they have Irv Smith. Well, there goes my best ball lineups!


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Interesting considering they have Irv Smith. Well, there goes my best ball lineups!


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I'm surprised Detroit traded Hockenson. He's young and good.

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Good trade for Pittsburgh IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Good trade for Pittsburgh IMO

Either good or great, depending on who is correct here:






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Either way, the Steelers are going into the draft with a lot of high-quality picks... and we know how well they draft. boo


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Good trade for Pittsburgh IMO

I wouldn't have thought Claypool would fetch that much.

What the heck happened to Claypool in Pittsburgh? Looked like he was destined to be their next great receiver. Where did it go south?

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It went wrong because he's a head case and very immature... at least that's what Steelers fans tend to say. The overwhelming sentiment in Steelers land is "good riddance".


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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Interesting considering they have Irv Smith. Well, there goes my best ball lineups!


That'll do it.


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Originally Posted by Rishuz
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Good trade for Pittsburgh IMO

I wouldn't have thought Claypool would fetch that much.

What the heck happened to Claypool in Pittsburgh? Looked like he was destined to be their next great receiver. Where did it go south?

Claypool has been kind of a jerk who has ran his mouth too much. Also, they just gave Johnson a ton of money and really like Pickens, the rookie from Georgia.

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Claypool doesn’t have the ability to separate. He produces two ways: jump balls and jet motions


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We see him right off the bye.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
We see him right off the bye.

There's always a silver lining gray cloud.


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j/c:



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I was hoping Chubb would go to the NFC.

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Jeff Wilson to the Dolphins for a 5th. I’d think Hunt would garner a bit more than that


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...


Just a hunch. I'm guessing Hunt was their first choice but asking price was too high?


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