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For a team in dire need of quality WR's, this one is a head scratcher that the Browns were not all in on this one. I know he's suspended for the year and quit on the team last year, but we just signed a QB that quit on his team and is on suspension, so you'd think that integrity or commitment isn't an issue for a Browns player.

Probably not. Maybe nobody really wanted the guy. They too would have to sign him after the season.

I can't view the second one... what's the deal/connection?

I can't either, spill the beans...

Basically, Watson is concurring with Cooks on his quote tweet.

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Not surprised.

Not player news but it certainly looks like the Washington commanders are going to be sold in the near future.

I don't follow that all that much. What's new?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...erica-securities-explore-commanders-sale

Dan Snyder - worst owner in the NFL, maybe all sports - bought out all his co-owners, is now cash poor, may be finally selling the franchise. He's a terrible owner, has had multiple investigations conducted into his ownership and management ... and looks like this is the beginning of the end. Dude makes Haslam look like Mr All World Owner.

Thanks. I just came back to say I just read a post by Vers about selling the team and having BOA in place to broker the deal. I knew enough about it to know about investigations and such. I didn't know about the new steps taken.

Embedded tweet code had a bunch of extra characters...

Lol.

Mine won't show up either...

I just hung out in the dead space for awhile, and took a break.

refreshing as hell.

Pulling from the OL thread since it's actually remaining on topic...


I don't want to be "that guy", not questioning a player's commitment, more or less just measuring out a little human nature.

You were well-paid to play a game.

Your new contract will allow to buy planes, islands, and is true generational wealth.

You have another concussion, maybe worse than the first two. What good is wealth if you have no health?

Denzel is a smart dude. He's not ready to quit now, but I don't think he's good for more than two more concussions.

I would trade him now, while the value is it's highest, otherwise we'll be caught holding the cards when it goes south.

As much as I hate to say it because I do not like the outcome in your scenario, I think you're right. I'm not sure his value is currently "at its highest" but it's as high as I think it will get from this point moving forward and the longer they put off what you're suggesting the less value he will have.

Denzel Ward is untradable. Not there is a chance it's something Berry is even considering.

If Ward were to be traded in the offseason here are the following consequences of doing so:

For the 2023 season: Pre-6/1 Trade - a dead cap hit of $34.4M and an actual cap savings loss of $22.079M. This would be a fireable offense if Berry mismanaged the cap and went this route.

A Post-6/1 Trade - a dead cap hit in 2023 of $7.68M, a dead cap hit in 2024 of $26.72M and cap savings of only $4.641M.

The numbers are somewhat similar if traded after the 2024 season.

The only time it makes sense financially to trade him is after the 2025 season. Otherwise, the Browns would have a pile of money tied up in dead cap space.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/denzel-ward-25099/

A trade would indicate that the team who trades for him would be picking up a large part of his existing contract which would negate much of that money. The amounts you posted would only apply if he were cut.

Incorrect. The numbers I posted are based on pre and post 6/1 trades. It’s right in the link.

I see nothing in the link that indicates such. If a player has a guaranteed contract, the team you trade with picks up part of that salary guarantee. If the deal doesn't require them to pay all of that guaranteed money, the team trading him pays the remaining balance. I've never seen it work any other way before.

So are you trying to say the Browns would be on the hook for the fully guaranteed portion of his contract and what the team he was traded to just pays him extra money above and beyond the contract he is currently playing under? Because that sounds ridiculous.

Again. The numbers I posted are correct. It's right there in the link provided. Click the red 'x' that provides release/trade details.

Denzel Ward is worried about his health because of all the concussions. He gets one every year and we all know the long-term ramifications of them. I don't blame him.

Do blame Berry for the ridiculous contract if the above is true?

I had no idea...

Horrible contract based on his history of concussions. He is one concussion away from being forced to retire.

I believe creating that contract was a horrible decision even if Ward never had a concussion in his life.

Thanks. I had no idea.

Apparently, this injury occurred during the bye week while riding an ATV in Mexico.

Not a current player, but I don't know where else to put this.

Not true Pit, the trading team takes on the remaining base salary but the prorated bonus (already paid) which was spread out over a number of years will always go against the Browns cap. For Ward, that's 7.68M each of the next 4 years and 3.68M the 5th year. That's the problem with moving base salary to a prorated bonus - that bonus gets paid immediately but its cap charge gets spread out x number of years that will always go against the teams cap. Just an FYI:

Garrett: 11.926M prorated bonus in 23 & 24, 7.726M in 25, and 3.953M in 26 all in addition to his base salary
Watson: 8.993M for each of the next 4-years
Chubb: 4M each of the next 2 years
Bitonio: 3.6M each of the next 4-years and 1.5M in a void year 5 (not under contract)
Cooper: 3.76M each of the next 4 years with 2 of those years being void years (not under contract)
Clowney: 1.6M each of the next 4 years which are all void years (not under contract)
Walker: $593,0000 each of the next 4 years all void years (not under contract)

These are just a few of the prorated bonuses that go against the cap in addition to their base salary. An example is Watson's base for 2023 is 46M plus his prorated bonus (already paid) which has to be added at 8.993M making a total cap charge for 2023 of 54.993M. Garrett's base for 2023 is 17.25M plus the prorated bonus charge of 11.926M making his 2023 cap charge 29.176M.

Yes Milk pointed that out and set it straight in posts above yours.

j/c...

Eagles are taking their shot. I don't blame them. It is hard to make a Super Bowl. It's even harder to get back to one. Got to strike when the iron is hot.

Those same moves might help to keep a ship from sinking as well.

Those vets aren't going to come to a sinking ship like ours.

Really? Suh has been waiting on a deal all season.

And we've been waiting at a bus stop... no destination in mind; just waiting for the bus (Watson) to show up and see where it takes us.

I can see why the FO would feel that would fix the interior of the DL.