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He's no longer a player, but he was a great player and his team at Jackson State is undefeated. He's done a great job of recruiting and is a masterful teacher. I'm surprised he accepted the offer at Colorado. They are a terrible program. I think he should have waited because he certainly is a hot candidate and only would have gotten hotter.


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That is what many fans think.

I never thought the D was a strong unit. I thought they were OK, but not strong.

Many of your arguments on Baker might hold more weight had Baker played well in Carolina now that he is healthy. Much of his support was he was playing hurt last year.

Is he still hurt this year?

I would be in agreement with you had Baker played well, but he didn't, so I don't.

As for the D tackles, they have been poor, but I think the scheme has been a big part of the problem. I saw a change last week. They seemed set on holding position where in the past they seemed eager to get in the backfield.

I will be interested to see if this trend holds. I think Woods desire to support the D backs with a pass rush up the middle came at the expense of stopping the run.

Thanks for your candor and pointed opinion. I will say though that I'm in somewhat of a disagreement with you about Mayfield being healthy and not playing well is ramification of your opinion. A QB, no matter the QB, is only as good as his surroundings. Trying to sell the point of last year's poor performance because he hasn't performed great on a team mired in the bottom of the league with a third of the talent is unfair at best. Brady, Rodgers, Carr, Wilson, and Herbert must also be trash since they have been unable to elevate their teams to playoff standards and have performed very poorly most of the season. Enough about Baker but Peen, it has never been about Baker so to say. What it has been about from the very beginning up to and including now is that there is a group on this forum that has continually spewed their hatred for Baker and labeling him then and now (because of his play of an inferior team) as the cause of the failed season in 2021 and ridding the team of him would improve the QB to the point the Browns would instantly be playoff contenders.

My opinion along with many many others on this forum was and continues to be that the Browns have much deeper issues for their regression in 2021 than Mayfield's play and those issues have reared their ugly head 10-fold in 2022. According to the masses - the QB play has vastly improved, the team has had no injuries at WR, and we had a top 5 defense to start the season making us playoff worthy now. Instead, we have a HC Stefanski led playoff team that not only is on the verge of a second consecutive season, but its record is also actually 2 games worse than it was at this point last year with that so called trash QB Mayfield playing. Unfortunately for you and many other blind posters on this forum, any opinion stating the obvious noting that the Browns are a poor team with much deeper issues than the QB position gets met with being accused of having an agenda or being a part of the "Baker Boyz." You don't even have to take my word for it - read the posts - hell to pay if anyone dares be critical of Stefanski, Berry or FO as a whole. Those obvious and well-deserved criticisms are quickly net with personal attacks, agenda accusations and name calling. If you dare point out another post as being wrong or misinformed, you are instantly called a liar and trying to start arguments.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. The team regressed significantly in 2021 and it wasn't all Mayfield's fault by any stretch of the imagination. The Browns have further regressed in 2022 and many of the issues that were prevalent in 2021 but ignored are still alive and raising havoc with the Browns in 2022. If people really want to talk about what's wrong with the Browns, they have to first get off the Mayfield is the cause of all the team's issues or the "Baker Boyz" agenda and start looking at the real issues with the Browns which starts with the HC and FO - as it should.

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"Everyone has moved on"............. banghead

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The Panthers actually have quite a bit of talent on offense, including, until he was traded, a top 5 running back. They have better receivers across the board than the Browns.

But it doesn't really matter. The only reason you want to shine a light on Stefanski isn't to really discredit him as a coach, it's to discredit him as a coach to prop up Mayfield. There is no propping up Mayfield. He's unproppable. You come across as a school kid with a crush who still has a Mayfield poster on his ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Panthers actually have quite a bit of talent on offense, including, until he was traded, a top 5 running back. They have better receivers across the board than the Browns.

But it doesn't really matter. The only reason you want to shine a light on Stefanski isn't to really discredit him as a coach, it's to discredit him as a coach to prop up Mayfield. There is no propping up Mayfield. He's unproppable. You come across as a school kid with a crush who still has a Mayfield poster on his ceiling.

Again, this is exactly what I have been talking about. Any time someone attempts to point out that there are only 4 teams with less wins than the Browns and the HC should be held accountable for not only this year's failure but last year's failure immediately gets accused of having an agenda, a Mayfield lover, and plain and simple name calling rather than face the Vegas Lights glaring issue that the team is performing poorer than last year, has steadily regressed, and a group on this forum would rather blame anyone but the real issue Stefanski. Rishuz, thanks for proving my point. I can always count on you guys to spin it to Mayfield rather than admit we have a HC and FO issue for two years now.


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steve keeps saying everyone has moved on but me..........yet, he continues to force-feed Baker down our throats.

Btw-----since he won't shut the hell up about Carolina's record. The Panthers are 3 and 3 w/Walker and Darnold and 1 and 5 w/Baker. But yeah, it's the team.

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I am anti-Stefanski. I just don't conflate the two.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
steve keeps saying everyone has moved on but me..........yet, he continues to force-feed Baker down our throats.

Btw-----since he won't shut the hell up about Carolina's record. The Panthers are 3 and 3 w/Walker and Darnold and 1 and 5 w/Baker. But yeah, it's the team.

As has been pointed out - wrong thread but thank you Vers for proving my point, again.


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Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Panthers actually have quite a bit of talent on offense, including, until he was traded, a top 5 running back. They have better receivers across the board than the Browns.

But it doesn't really matter. The only reason you want to shine a light on Stefanski isn't to really discredit him as a coach, it's to discredit him as a coach to prop up Mayfield. There is no propping up Mayfield. He's unproppable. You come across as a school kid with a crush who still has a Mayfield poster on his ceiling.

Since we are on this subject - and that's how conversations work, we'll stay here and I'll clear my position up. Panthers under Rhule were a disaster - and Baker was part of the problem because he played really, really, really badly. He played worse this year than when injured last year. He played worse than with Freddie. So while I will always be grateful for what Baker did for the Browns and help turn the franchise around, win a play off game, bring some highlights ... unless something dramatic in his future changes, I was wrong and he is not as good as I thought he was. In talking about KS and his coaching ability - it's not to prop up Baker, because based on 2021 injured and 2022 healthy on a bad team he is not very good. I hope he bounces back and find's some mojo (and some maturity) because much like Brissett, I'll remember him fondly and wish him the best because of what he did/brought to CLE ....

With that said - KS was part of the problem last year as well as this year, no matter how bad BM is/was. That doesn't deflect from BM - it's just an belief that I and others share. And to be clear - because this is a discussion board where we all post opinions without the need to say "just my opinion" in every single post .... they don't need a link and the absence of a link doesn't make posters liars no matter what the kindergartener's want to say.


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Baker Mayfield released …


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Just came here to say that was what I had heard was going to happen ... which verifies my post above, I was wrong about BM. But I'll still always appreciate him for his play as a Brown even if it was wildly inconsistent.


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Wonder if he goes to SF


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hopefully he lands somewhere. I'll never wish for--or be happy--for a man losing his job.

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Tackles are tackles.
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I hope Baker gets another shot with a decent team, I never got why he was good with going there. Imagine what the feeling of being the man one day and out the next feels like for a guy with Baker's ego. Then you get shipped to a team with a crap coach on his way out and no weapons to speak of beyond one guy. I feel like Baker went down in the perfect storm of BS. But now he'll have to earn another chance; hell, he might retire.


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If only this had happened a week before and Houston had picked him up ... what a story it could have been.


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Too bad for Baker. I do hope he lands somewhere and I'm sure he will. I wanted him to succeed here in the worst way as I do all our players, but it became obvious he had some shortcomings. Best of luck to you Baker.

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Nobody feel bad for Baker. He never put the work In to be
A good to great QB. Maybe he will head butter his ex Panther
Mates on his way out and handout "I'm feeling dangerous T shirts"

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For the record, Houston could have had Baker when we traded for Watson. They obviously did not want him.

It might be time for folks to finally come to grips w/the reality of the situation.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
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Baker Mayfield released …



How the mighty have fallen ... but Baker will be alright in the long run ... he should be able to find work in the both as a color guy.


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49'ers will scoop him up - bank on it.

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I didn't realize this.........Apparently he asked for his release after the team was considering making him the 3rd string qb.


Report: Baker Mayfield asked Panthers for his release
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Baker Mayfield saw the writing on the wall for the rest of this nightmarish 2022 campaign. So, he’s having the Carolina Panthers sign him off.

As first reported by NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport on Monday morning, the team is planning on letting go of Mayfield later today. Well, it turns that decision is a mutual one—as ESPN senior NFL reporter Jeremy Fowler later added that the former No. 1 overall pick asked for his release.





Considering interim head coach Steve Wilks and his staff were leaning towards naming PJ Walker their backup to starter Sam Darnold, a choice that became official this morning, Mayfield’s reported request makes sense. With five weeks left in the season and a trip to free agency head this spring, he may be able to find playing time elsewhere—perhaps most notably with the San Francisco 49ers.

Mayfield’s stay in Carolina ends with a 1-5 mark over his six starts with six touchdowns, six interceptions and 1,313 passing yards.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/05/panthers-baker-mayfield-release-request-pj-walker/

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49'ers will scoop him up - bank on it.

Doesn't matter if they did ... it would only be for the short term if they do.


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This doesn't mean that SF won't sign Baker, but as someone who roots for SF to represent the NFC every year, I don't think I would bring Baker in. They are currently rolling and have a great team atmosphere. I'd be worried about upsetting the dynamics of the locker room. On the other hand, they might now feel the same way. I do think that SF would have to pay Baker $1.4 million if they brought him in.

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I think your incessant need to portray Baker as a locker room cancer is humorous at best. You couldn't stand to even be here until he left. lol

But it doesn't change the fact that I agree with you that San Fran shouldn't feel any need to bring Baker in.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
For the record, Houston could have had Baker when we traded for Watson. They obviously did not want him.

It might be time for folks to finally come to grips w/the reality of the situation.

For the record Houston is playing a backup at the moment (that wasn't the case when BM was TRADED) and in my humorous comment, they wouldn't be giving up draft capital to pick him off the waiver wire if he'd been released last week and then started for the team that traded away DW.

IN a never ending attempt to smear anything some posters say you really do try way too hard.


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Thanks for the draft pick Carolina.

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Hopefully they can figure out how to actually use this one.


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Baker's career is almost over. In his head he is still a viable starter
But Baker has very little to offer any team as a QB.
He had a lucky year in Cleveland where everything fell into place
The stars aligned etc etc.he is so bad the Texans passed
On him without thought

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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
He had a lucky year in Cleveland where everything fell into place
The stars aligned etc etc.

Was that the year he set those rookie records or the year he led the Browns to the playoffs?


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
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Tackles are tackles.
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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
He had a lucky year in Cleveland where everything fell into place
The stars aligned etc etc.

Was that the year he set those rookie records or the year he led the Browns to the playoffs?
Records are made to be broken. Kinda funny how people forget
How many sub-par defenses he faced that year. Be real there's been
Rookie QBs who have had very productive 1st years
Only to go downhill after that. Maybe if Baker wasn't so full
Of himself he would still be a starter
Whoopee Baker led the Browns to a playoff appearance
Guess what it's means next to nothing now.
The Browns are a consistent non playoff team
Baker was overdrafted. His surrounding talent at OU hid a great deal of
His deficiencies that you can hide in the NFL.

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So let me see if I get this straight. Baker set NFL rookie QB records but that means nothing. He took the Browns to the playoffs but that means nothing. I have no problem admitting what Baker is now.

But to become that he fell off a cliff and people posting BS revisionist history like you're doing is another matter all together.


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Well..........off to work, get home, and Baker is released? I didn't see that coming. So much for a 4th round pick I guess.

Baker will get picked up by some team, no doubt. Being a backup qb in the nfl still pays well.

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So let me see if I get this straight. Baker set NFL rookie QB records but that means nothing. He took the Browns to the playoffs but that means nothing. I have no problem admitting what Baker is now.

But to become that he fell off a cliff and people posting BS revisionist history like you're doing is another matter all together.
Ask 32 GMs what Baker's past accomplishments mean to them?
Baker was never as good as perceived him to be

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Until, last year he wasn't nearly the bum you are portraying him to be either.


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