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I mentioned it elsewhere, but i think we need a ex- player and probably will need to look towards a college DC. I would hire Jim Leonhard if possible.

I don't want Berry to go anywhere either. I was just pointing out an area of weakness IMO.

The difference between a team and FO trying to win and a team that clearly appears to not!

Linval Joseph will have a chance to see action in a 13th NFL season. The Eagles are signing the veteran defensive tackle, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.com (on Twitter).

The former Giants, Vikings and Chargers interior defender recently visited the Jets. No signing followed, but the Eagles will provide an opportunity. Philadelphia has struggled against the run in each of its past two games. Joseph stands to provide some help for the 8-1 team on this front.

After playing out his two-year Chargers contract, Joseph has spent the past eight months in free agency. He will join an Eagles team that has devoted significant funds to its defensive line. Philly recently dealt for Robert Quinn, adding the veteran edge rusher to a position group that already featured five veteran contracts (Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, Javon Hargrave, Josh Sweat, Derek Barnett) and first-round pick Jordan Davis. The team has seen Davis’ recent absence hurt its efforts against the run.

Davis suffered a high ankle sprain in Week 8. In the two games without the mammoth D-tackle, the Eagles have respectively given up 168 and 152 rushing yards. Dameon Pierce did not experience much of a blip in his Offensive Rookie of the Year campaign against then-unbeaten Philly in Week 9, and the Commanders’ Brian Robinson–Antonio Gibson duo steadily wore down an Eagles defense on the field for much of Monday night’s upset loss. The Commanders’ 49 rush attempts were the most by a non-Eagle or Raven squad over the past five years.


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Gonna have some fun with math, eh?

So Depodesta's (.343) six year run is:

Better than the previous six years...

And the previous six years...

And the previous six years!


Best six year run in 18 seasons! Fire him now!!

Well Mac, I know where you stand. I disagree. I don't think Depo has as much to do with you as I.

He isn't picking players. I will say his office has "some" influence on in game strategy.....like going for it.

Simply an odds based deal. I think if you are honest and watch games, you see teams going for it on 4th down way more than 10 years ago.

I understand that when we played HS football...the single mask, salt pills and no water days of practice, you punted on 4th down.

Sorry man, the game you and I played isn't the same even though we agree that it probably should be a bit more like that.

Every year some kid broke an arm doing the monkey drill. It scared the hell out of you, but it also made you jump and roll a little faster when it was your turn, and not break the fall, roll in to the fall. That L shaped forearm of that kid kind of set that idea in stone.

peen..it's obvious to me that you are a lot older than I am...no single bar helmets for our team..no one ever broke their arm in monkey drills..no salt pills and mandatory hydration in practice and weigh in before practice and after...and we would go for it on 4th down if needed. I think your imagination is a bit out of control.

If it's true that Depo is telling Stefanski when he should go for it on 4th down that is pure BS. Part of the problem in Cleveland is too many people want to play HC but never step forward and take responsibility when they fail. Stefanski goes out and takes the hit for all the failures and that might be part of the reason the media and fans target him so often.

Depo is in the Browns draft room so I'm going to assume he's offering his opinion on who the Browns should draft or whether the Browns should make a trade to gain draft capitol.

I'm going to ask this question again because it goes to the heart of a major problem...HOW DID THE BROWNS END UP WITH SUCH POOR DTs?

The Browns drafted DTs Elliott, 3rd rnd of 2020..Togia, 4th rnd of 2021..Winfrey, 4th rnd of 2022. Three of the 4 DTs the Browns are using are products of THE SYSTEM that Browns management established to judge football talent. While we want to blame DC Woods for the Browns inability to stop the run..who judged the DT talent that the franchise spent years developing into starters?

How bad are the Browns DTs...each week GM Berry is searching the waiver wire to see if we can find some DT help..hoping to find someone better than we drafted.

Browns fans have watched a similar situation develop over the past couple years at WR. The Browns DRAFT TEAM spent a 3rd pick in 2021 on WR Schwartz who OVERWHELMED the Browns draft team with his blazing speed..but I guess the guys with their stop watches and SPARQ charts forgot something...can he catch the football..? Can he catch the football when going over the middle, when he knows he's gonna get hit..?

Schwartz has owned a spot on the Browns roster for 2 seasons and has contributed very little. Schwartz is just another example of the Browns DRAFT SYSTEM at work. Schwartz is another example of how the Browns judge football talent with priorities developed by people with little experience in the game of football.

How long do the Browns continue down this path..? Every week the Browns are actively seeking talent off of the waiver wire out of necessity, to see if they can find better talent than they drafted.

While I certainly disagree with much of what you are posting I do certainly agree with you about just how much power and influence Depo wields. I think some try to minimize that and downplay it.

Let's face it, while Haslam has gone through GM's and HC's, the one person who stayed through it all was Depo. For some reason Haslam trusted him and valued him above all others. I see no reason to believe that's changed.

j/c...

Often Baffled: The Joe Woods Story

That comment is absolutely unacceptable.

I cannot, at this point, see how he stays employed after this year. I'd be kinda surprised if he makes it the rest of the season, especially with quotes like that.

JFC.

YO Joe. Bottom line your ass got out coached again, like it has most weeks that you have been here.
Just keep digging your own grave.

j/c...

I wanted him fired before it was cool.

Bone, I'm stealing your quote from the browns news thread to quote the first sentence.


I've been wanting to post about it for a few weeks now, but just haven't had the time to really reply to much.


Your quote is the summary of my thoughts of the DT room. My opinion on what happened was through their end of the season reviews and off season planning. Two of their views were similar in planning the positions, the WR room and the DT room. I really think their plan was not to spend much in those areas (that is obvious now, lol).

On the offensive side, they felt they had a few pieces they could work with: DPJ growing as a receiver, Chief at TE, the backs running/catching out of the backfield. They targeted Cooper as a great piece and traded peanuts for him. I'm sure they understood the issues if there were injuries, but they wanted to save this year after the trading of Watson and try to roll that money over to next year.


On the defensive side, i think it was the same thing. Their evaluation was they have excellent ends, an alright LB core, with some good backfield. Woods probably vouched for Elliott making strides and was ready for the starting role. They also brought in a cheap veteran piece with Bryan. Togiai would be fine rotating with a drafted piece in Winfrey (just like the WR room in drafting Bell and not being a main part of the offense..only as slot). They could save some money and get by with the players brought in through draft and FA.

The hindsight of this, the issue is they brought an excellent receiver (Cooper) on offense which helped the receiver room. On defense, Bryan shouldn't have been that main piece since he was a project piece. They should have focused on a solid DT to pair with Bryan/Elliott.

If this was their thought process, then I understand their thought process when planning it out. But...in the end, it is a failure. I just hope Berry/Stef learn from it and make adjustments in future planning.

I agree with a lot of this. The Browns clearly misjudged the talent level, assumed corners could be cut at certain positions.

The lesson: Overconfidence is a character flaw.

Let's see if lessons were learned heading into the 2023 season.

#GuardrailsShouldBeFlexible

I think many/most will agree also. It's been noted and commented on how bad the DTs are - how weak the LBs are .. and that comes down to the FO as a whole. Berry for drafting and acquiring such poor talent, the team for deciding who to keep and whether a guy like Suh who was available would help or not, and then Woods for not coaching them up, scheme etc and overall execution. It's also one extra layer of why people are questioning Stefanski as a HC.

Quincy Carrier of you-tube recently post a video saying to fire Joe and can almost the entire defense....he suggested to sit back and look at 6 you would keep......so who are your 6?

1. Myles
2.Newsome (rookie deal)
3. JOK (rookie deal)
4. Emerson (rookie deal)
5. Ward.....but tradeable
6.wright/Thomas (both if u move ward)

Consideration takitaki and despite

Everyone else ......GONE THE DAY SEASON IS OVER

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j/c:

Certainly good news that Stefanski has nothing to do with how the defense performs. Also good to know that there's nothing wrong with our scheme.

Browns Defense Lashes Out After Latest Loss to Bills

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The Cleveland Browns‘ defense has appeared lost at times this season and the reality is that they might be.

The Cleveland defense was gashed once again on Sunday against the Bills, allowing Buffalo to run away with the 31-23 win behind 171 rushing yards. Browns safety Grant Delpit gave some worrisome insight into the unit after Cleveland fell to 3-7.

“Gotta stop the run. Simple,” Delpit said. “In order to have trust, you’ve got to know what you’re doing. The team has got to have faith that they know what they’re doing. If you don’t know what you’re doing, it never works.”

Delpit gave some further insight into what that statement exactly meant.

“In the run game, you’ve got to know what your fit is. If you don’t know what your fit is or you jump out of your gap, the run is going to bust every time,” Delpit said. “You’ve got to know your fits.”

Along with Delpit, an anonymous Browns defensive player told Jason Lloyd of The Athletic that there has been internal frustration about the lack of adjustments made by defensive coordinator Joe Woods.

“When s**t ain’t working, change it,” he said. “We don’t f***ing change anything.”


Myles Garrett Disappointed With Direction






Myles Garrett was very vocal prior to the matchup with the Bills that the Browns had to win their next two games to keep their playoff hopes alive. After Sunday’s rough outing, that obviously won’t be the case and the Browns will need some significant help if they want to make the postseason.

“That has always been the idea: win the next two, but it was really keep on winning and keep on stacking. That is still the idea,” Garrett said. “That is still the mindset. That is not going to change. We still feel like we can do so, but we have to put the preparation and have that level of detail to match that excitement and that energy we have with wanting to do it.”

Garrett expressed disappointment with the defense’s performance, especially after a promising start against the Bills. A particular focus for Garrett has been the lack of turnovers forced, which he thinks stems from the team’s mindset in practice.

“It just has to be more of an emphasis in practice,” Garrett said. “It has been a lack of importance when we go out there and practice. It has to be more important to us if we want to force those takeaways in the game. We have goals that we set in practice, and we are not reaching them.”

Garrett Hinted at Lack of Adjustments Previously

Woods’ game plan has been questioned before, particularly by Garrett, who said the Browns didn’t make the proper adjustments when they got railroaded by the Patriots 45-7 last season.

This year, Garrett hinted that the Dolphins knew exactly what the Browns defense would be doing during their Week 10 matchup, which helped Miami rack up nearly 500 yards of offense.

“Honestly, how specific it was towards us (is what stood out),” Garrett said. “It wasn’t like a first 15, it was like a first 60. The way they attacked us was very detailed in what they were trying to do and just had us out of position a lot of the time. Seemed like when we tried to switch things up, they were a step ahead.”

The Browns will face Tom Brady and the Buccaneers next week as they try to get back into the win column.

Woods is gone and probably rightfully so. The D sucks and he's the leader of the D. Perhaps the new DC will work magic w/all these talented, hard-working, accountable defenders?

We'll see about that.

One thing for certain.........the Browns defenders do a lot more pointing w/their fingers then they do w/their thumbs. I'm old school and frankly.......just old. So perhaps I am out of touch w/reality in thinking that it's better to place more accountability on yourself rather than blaming others for your struggles.

I would not be surprised if Garrett asks for a trade after the season.
He's Been here 6 years and has 1 playoff appearance to show for it.
He is human. The constant losing takes a toll on you.
He is a elite pass rusher playing for a team mired in losing
Reminds me of watching Claude Humphrey as a youth.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns behind the scenes
Are gauging what could they get for MG in a trade.

j/c...

The locker room is reaching a breaking point on the defensive side of the ball. The cracks were apparent weeks ago. It will be interesting to see how Stefanski handles this moving forward.

From Jason Lloyd's article this morning...

Defensive coordinator Joe Woods will surely be fired at the end of the season, but it may have to happen sooner just to keep the peace — what’s left of it. One of coach Kevin Stefanski’s strengths is his ability to remove emotion from decision-making and not act irrationally to any particular loss. But it’s time to fire Woods before he loses the rest of the locker room. 

Safety Grant Delpit hinted players don’t know their assignments. Defensive end Myles Garrett complained creating turnovers has been a lack of importance at practice. Another defensive player told me he’s been frustrated by the lack of scheme changes. 

“When s— ain’t working, change it,” he said. “We don’t f—— change anything.” 

Frankly, I could care less if they fire Woods or not. This season is over in terms of playoffs.

However, once again that the players are pointing fingers rather than pointing thumbs. That is disturbing and it tells me that there really needs to be some personnel moves made to get rid of the bad seeds.

Myles is a great player and it is disappointing that he is voicing these things in public. That's not a good leader. However, he is too good to get rid of.

Delpit sucks. He should shut the hell up and concentrate on how he can improve his crappy play. He can't cover his shadow. We'd be better off w/out him.

The guy not named sounds like JJ. His ass should be sent packing!

This post points out exactly what is wrong with the Browns. A 5-sentence rant about the issues on defense and particular players going public. Fire them all except for Garrett because he's too good to get rid of. That is exactly where the problem lies with this team. Certain players get special treatment and others treated like crap. If you're going to have a good leadership HC, this is the absolutely the first thing you have to address in a divided locker room. Everyone is treated the same and the expectation levels are detailed the same to each player. Once you start making exceptions you have lost the team. This team has been lost for 2-years now and that's the problem that needs addressed. This is a HC and FO issue and only can be fixed at that level. You're not going to get the team back by firing some patsy, the players have gone rouge and that's a HC/FO issue.

Guess we are lucky we have a teflon HC who has zero responsibility for players not knowing their assignments or poor practices .... because it's the defense and EVERYONE knows that the HC is only ever judged by the offense. And the locker room? It's all peachy - Vers kept telling us all season. So we good.

If the self-appointed football guru says it's not an issue, then there's no way it's an issue.

Pointing out that the DC is using a system that simply doesn't work and is failing to make adjustments must be the players fault. Just listen to the old guy.

j/c...

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This is so stupid. Yes, of course people want Woods gone (including me at the present time), but do you think he is going to answer this question in a PC? This isn't a case of "We have to ask the tough questions". It's shock jock jernalizm and it's ridiculous.