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You are not really going to post that Stefanski was dealt a rough hand with a straight face, are you? A mess at QB last year when he was the decision maker each and every week to trot out a QB that was dealing with multiple injuries. The defense this year is the main problem yet he's the HC. I knew the excuses would start flying when the Browns struggled but now the posts are about excuses for Stefanski. There's over 200 million per season invested in the players he's responsible for and having his team ready and prepared to perform on the field resulting in victories. If he's incapable of doing that (currently sporting a 23-20 career record) then the Haslam's need to find somebody who can get the job done.

You tell em steve!

There is currently a Stefanski thread where people can trash the man. However, this is a Browns News and Notes thread. Back to the topic.

He's smart enough to know you don't give your opposition bulletin board fodder to motivate them. Belichic is the same.

Kiss my azz Vers! I didn't start the talk about Stefanski, it was a response to another's post. If you want to be the board policeman, then lash out your meaningless posts when the infraction occurs - not just when you don't approve of certain individual's opinions like you always do. This board was so much more civilized and entertaining when you were hiding under your rock.

Ignore his trolling Steve, he's nobody important. You do you. He doesn't get that you have that right on the open internet. And keep letting him have it when he puts you on blast. He doesn't like being called out. If you are lucky, he will take his ball and go home.

Not trying to have an argument, just stating an opinion or response to your question.

First Andy Reid: I agree he will most likely go to the HOF. However, after 14 years of being the HC in Philadelphia, Reid was fired in 2012. In 2010, the Eagles were 10-6 and made the playoffs losing their only game. In 2011, the Eagles were 8-8. In 2012, the Eagles finished 4-12 and Reid was fired. His 3-year record with a playoff appearance was 22-27 .468. Reid was fired after 14 years in PHI with 9 playoff appearances and 1 NFC Championship. So YES, I did take a look at the NFL record of NFL coaches that had been coaches for a long time. It has been and will always be about winning at the NFL level. Never has been what you've done but what you are doing - win or bust.

Mike Tomlin is in his 16th year in Pittsburgh and has NEVER had a losing season while making 10 playoff appearances and winning 1 Super Bowl. Even with that stellar record, there are still rumblings about Tomlin being on the hot seat this year due to their poor play on the field.

Here's a special for you, Matt Nagy: Nagy was the HC in Chicago for 4-years. During those 4-years, the Bears made 2 playoff appearances in his 4-year tenure and only had 1 losing season. Nagy's career regular season record in Chicago was 34-31 .523 which is just about the same as Stefanski is currently sporting and could be clearly stated that he never had a single QB the caliber of even Brissett. On the surface, everyone here would say that Stefanski is a much better HC than Nagy. Their records tell quite a different story, and he had 2 different young inexperienced QB's he had to train in Fields and Trubisky.

As far as HC's handling both sides of the ball, every one of the HC's handles both sides of the ball except Stefanski apparently. I have never heard of a single HC in the NFL that said or implied that they were not responsible for both sides of the ball and special teams too. They have assistants and coordinators, but the ultimate responsibility lies with the HC - except in Cleveland it would appear. The HC selects his staff, and they all work for him.

The three words after that

are probably like this

"Not for long"

Regarding Browns News and Notes and not Personality Place or Stefanski sucks......there is this. BTW.....I have steve on ignore, so I don't know what that was all about.


Browns Injury Report: Cleveland getting healthier as Dolphins near
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Cory Kinnan
November 10, 2022 7:20 pm ET

Coming off of the bye week, the Cleveland Browns are getting healthier by the day. Still four out of practice, and only one was not spotted on the field.

Trending in the right direction as we creep closer to Sunday, all of right tackle Jack Conklin, a vastly improved tight end David Njoku, and linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah were on the bikes. Rookie defensive tackle Perrion Winfrey was the only player who was not at practice, missing his second practice in a row with an illness.

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analytics is making the Browns unwatchable.

the defense was better when J.O.K, and DZ, Ward, had to not play.

I think we have a good chance at winning. I respect them but not fearing them. Myles is already in tia’s head. Guaranteed.

I'd say Schwantz has been sweating it out for a while now, Garyson or not.

He would be fine if we could just give him the Clifford Franklin treatment.

Tillery is probably worth a look

I think we really need him this week. Miami is going to score. We'll need to put points up and sustain drives. Njoku helps w/that.

Browns land 3 on PFF's midseason All-Pro Team


Cory Kinnan
November 11, 2022 9:45 am ET

We are at the midway point of the 2022 season, and publications are beginning to release midseason awards based on performances in the first half of the season. We did it here at Browns Wire, and now PFF has released their midseason All-Pro team as well. And the Cleveland Browns landed three players on their First Team All-Pro squad at this point in the season.

The three players on the list are entirely predictable too as they have been mainstays on the Browns for half of a decade. Let’s take a look at those players, what PFF said about them, and where they stack up against their colleagues around the NFL.



RB Nick Chubb



The best running back on the planet according to Tennessee Titans Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb lands as the First-Team running back on PFF’s list as well. Already at double-digit touchdowns and just 29 yards behind Henry for the league lead in yards, Chubb is going to hit career-high marks across the board.

On pace for new marks in carries, yards, and touchdowns, Chubb has been the catalyst for the Cleveland offense. Do not expect that to slow down as the Browns face a crucial three-game span up next on their schedule. Chubb currently sits with a 91.1 PFF grade.


DE Myles Garrett


Myles Garrett is PFF’s highest-graded player in the entire NFL at this point in the season. And fans of this football team have the audacity week in and week out to question whether or not he is making an impact on the field for the Browns.

In just seven games, Garrett has racked up 7.5 sacks, is back in the race for Defensive Player of the Year, and is single-handily carrying a defensive line otherwise full of tree stumps. He sits with a PFF grade of 94.4 through the midway point of the season.

They will need another excellent showing from Garrett to slow down the potent offense of the Miami Dolphins.


OG Joel Bitonio


Garrett is not the only highest-graded player according to PFF. Guard Joel Bitonio is also PFF’s highest-graded offensive player in the NFL as well, landing him on their First-Team All-Pro list. Tied with long snapper Charley Hughlett for the longest-tenured member of the Browns, Bitonio has been a consistent threat every single year of his NFL career.

This season has been more of the same for Bitonio, grading out with an elite 91.3 grade according to PFF. With Wyatt Teller potentially returning to the field this week, the Browns may get their guard-ians back in full force against the Dolphins this week.


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At this point I think you may have more posters on ignore than not. Of course you must list and mention all of them like anyone gives a damn. But then that's probably the best way to avoid the actual issues as to why this team is 3-5. And then you claim it's everyone else who has an agenda.

All this talent and yet we sit at 3-5.

Njoku out

Nobody said that HC's handle both sides of the ball. What has been said is that Stefanski has the responsibility for both sides of the ball because he is the HC. If the defense isn't performing up to par, then it is Stefanski's job to address that issue, period. Whether that's firing the DC, making asst coaching changes, or getting his hands dirty and getting in there to address what is wrong it is his job. In reality, it doesn't mean a damn thing for the Browns if they have the #1 offense in the league with Stefanski calling the plays if the defense for the team he's the head coach of is ranked 31st and you're losing games. Every game the Browns defense performs poorly is a direct reflection on Stefanski because it's been going on now for 3-years and as the HC of the Cleveland Browns he's done nothing to correct the problem.

As far as the selection process, nobody told Stefanski he had to take Woods as his DC. Stefanski made that decision so again, he's responsible for the performance of Woods in that role. It's an excuse driven conspiracy to attempt to praise Stefanski on what's happening on the offensive side of the ball (which hasn't been great by any means) yet give him a pass on the poor playing defensive side of the ball because Woods is the DC. IMHO, either Stefanski is the HC or he's just a glorified OC posing as a HC. Guess what, he has complete control but has addressed nothing to this point so he's just a glorified OC. If that's the case, then the Browns need to make a change and hire a real HC that will manage all aspects of the team and take responsibility for being the HC.

Njoku and JOK ruled out this week against the Dolphins.

We'll see..............

Where will the argument be when
ya When Watson plays not great, not pretty good, but very badly.

I see analytics brought up quite a bit by posters, some favorably and other such as yourself, with obvious disdain. The most I can tell from what I have read concerning the process, it is nothing new. It seems to me, one of the first NFL teams to really use it for scouting and gameplans/play calling were the Cowboys, going back to the 1970s and maybe even the 1960s.

I remember them being one of the first to utilize a computer and some sportswriters and opposing front offices at the time ridiculing them with comments along the lines of "there is no place in football for a computer".

Analytics as I understand it is just a collection of data regarding all aspects of players and game planning. I could be wrong in my perception but the Cowboys and other teams when I was a kid did the same thing but seemed to refer to the data as "tendencies".

Paul Brown in the 50's used data to fuel much of his decision making.

I am sure it happened long before that. I'd bet that people were putting a stopwatch to Red Grange back in the 20's....the 1920's since some around here were probably born in this century.

"Moneyball" and what Billy Beane and Peter Brand did just elevated the use of data to a new level and in new and more granular ways. It's ben done in football for a long time regardless of what people want to call it and it is simply part of the process. Like all things in life - a pretty good rule is "all things in moderation" ... i think when it comes to the Browns and Analytics the concern some have is that some stats are being over valued. Two most obvious examples would be SPARQ scores to value drafted players - we have several examples of 3rd and 4th round picks taken because of their explosive athletic ability but they aren't good at the other parts of what's needed to be a successful football player (Schwartz). Another example - despite posters trying to tell us otherwise - is the continued high frequency of going for it on 4th downs because that's what the analytics says is the "right call" ... in 2020 and 2021 we went for it on 4th downs a lot ... but we were successful less than 42% of the time both years. If the NFL average is (about) 65% - and our team is successful only 42% of the time we shouldn't be going for it so frequently.

Every professional sport team in the world uses analytics and will continue to do so forever.

j/c...

Thanks for the memories!

Showed up and was shown out the door.

We don't need any DTs.