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Unless you believe that teaching children the actual truth of our history is anti-Christian I have no idea what point it is you're trying to make here. You see, unlike the Bible which must be taken on faith and faith alone, the history of our nation and the atrocities committed are fact based. Many of mans atrocities are written in the Bible as a teaching tool and nowhere in the teachings of the bible have I seen where you're supposed to hide the truth from your children. Belief is something rooted in religion. Belief is something one convinces themselves of. It has nothing to do with facts.

Yet Christianity is founded in truth. The Bible is written word of God. CCR theory is a pathway straight to hell!

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"History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. And if it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it. It's not yours to erase. It belongs to all of us."

I didn't write that... Not sure who did.

Some groups that clearly need to learn from history are the Republican party as it's constituted today. Really, it's the party of extreme views and conspiracy garbage.

The American Nazi Party. They need to get their heads out of their Butts. Hitler ordered the killing of over 6 million Jews.. Deal with it and don't let it happen again.

The KKK... Seriously, why is this still a thing.. they got beat down 50 years ago..

White groups that just seem to hate anyone of color. Do I need to explain. Thinking Proud Boys etc.

We live in a country that is tolerant of these groups.. And that's as it should be. Until they get violent.

You got a cause you want to protest for, fine,,, destroy property, take lives, injure folks,,, you got to go to jail.

That includes Antifa...

On that note….was anyone taught this in school…The story of Jack Trice? I wasn’t.

Jack Trice was born on May 12, 1902, in Hiram, Ohio, the son of a former Buffalo Soldier. He was an active child who played many sports. His parents sent him to Cincinnati to live with his uncle and better his educational opportunities.

He attended East Technical High School, where he starred on the football team. His coach, Sam Willaman, was hired as head football coach for Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. He asked Trice and a couple of his football teammates to attend the school and play ball there. Trice accepted.


Trice worked hard at Iowa State both academically and physically, cleaning locker rooms to pay for his education. By his sophomore year all the hard work paid off in good grades and making the varsity team at a time when racism was rampant. A lot of college conferences did not want Blacks to play in their leagues, so Trice’s first game was an exhibition game.

On October 5, 1923, Iowa State University headed to Minneapolis where they were scheduled to play the Gophers the next day. When they reached the Curtis Hotel, the manager told them no Negro (i.e., Jack Trice) could stay in a room or eat at the restaurant.

The team found Trice a place to stay at the Phyllis Wheatley Settlement House. That’s where he wrote the letter that would later be read at his funeral.

The day of the game the KKK was at the stadium and there had been a float sponsored by the Klan in the homecoming parade. A man campaigning for the mayor of St. Paul, openly a member of the Klan, was also at the game. Trice was unaware of the danger surrounding him.

Through the first quarter he blocked every play that he could even though his collar bone was broken on the second play. When Trice was on the field, the U of M players were berating him, calling him racial slurs, kicking and spitting on him. In spite of all this, Trice refused to leave the game.


By the third quarter, Trice was badly injured, lost consciousness, and was rushed to the University of Minnesota Hospital as the Gopher fans mockingly chanted, “So sorry, Ames” over and over again. Minnesota won the game 20 to 17.

A few hours later, after the doctors declared Trice fit to travel, he was still suffering serious abdominal pain as he rode the train with the team back to Ames. There he was again rushed to the hospital with internal bleeding. Two days later, Jack Trice died of his game injuries.

Much speculation surrounds the play that resulted in Trice’s death. Many of his teammates said after the fact that he had been targeted throughout the first two quarters because of his skin color. The grandfather of University of Minnesota sports historian Bob Patrin had attended the game and was terribly upset.

Patrin said his grandfather told him, “Jack roll-blocked three Gopher players, and after the play the three players start beating and stomping him. Grandfather…knew that those players would kill that Negro football player, and he left the game.”

Trice’s funeral was attended by more than 4,000 people including family, friends, students, faculty, community members, and the Iowa State University president, who read the letter Trice wrote at Phyllis Wheatley. It read:


“My thoughts just before the first real college game of my life: The honor of my race, family, and self is at stake. Everyone is expecting me to do big things. I will! My whole body and soul are to be thrown recklessly about the field tomorrow. Every time the ball is snapped, I will be trying to do more than my part. On all defensive plays, I must break through the opponents’ line and stop the play in their territory. Beware of mass interference. Fight low, with your eyes open and toward the play. Watch out for crossbucks and reverse end runs. Be on your toes every minute if you expect to make good.”

As a result of this incident and Trice’s death, Iowa State University did not renew its contract to play the University of Minnesota. The two teams did not meet again for 65 years.

CCR is a truthful and factual part of American history. The Bible is something people have to believe is true based on faith and faith alone. Man wrote the Bible. Books that had been written for the Bible were even chosen to be left out of the Bible. To have faith in the Bible one has to have faith that every man who wrote books for the Bible were inspired by God to write them and the people who chose which books to exclude were also inspired by God. That is nothing more than pure faith plain and simple.

I've never seen in the word of God where it says telling the truth is a pathway straight to hell. We must be reading different books.

Sort of a tangent from teaching history, but I agree with you here. You cannot hold public education and religious institutions and families to the same standards. We have a diverse country with many people practicing many religions. We need to find ways to respect each others religious practices and not undermine them except in the few extreme cases that religious practices pose some sort of threat to safety or a persons freedoms, e.g. extremel polygamist cults. Introducing your child to a religion is technically indoctrination, but that does not necessarily make it bad because parents are most likely doing it for the good of the child. Most parents aren't indoctrinating their child as a way to exploit them. Conversely, when governments attempt to indoctrinate people, it is often as a way to exploit and control them.

The issue here is the only people seemingly trying to proclaim that their religious beliefs be protected in the public education system is the Christian right. That somehow anything that goes against their religious beliefs should be kept out of the public schools system. The problem with that is public education system is not a Christian organization. There is nothing about CRT or actually giving a deep dive into the historical facts of our nation that indoctrinates anyone. Making up some nonsensical thing to say to try and twist that teaching what has actually transpired in this nation is somehow an attempt to indoctrinate our children is nothing more than illogical ramblings to allow Christianity to further continue to control what our nations children learn. Knowledge and facts are good for our children, not bad.

And this is what some of your kids are learning about in Ohio instead of CRT. Pffft

https://www.wtol.com/article/news/l...512-d85499ba-3aad-4f70-8d3f-05032ad4b699

UPPER SANDUSKY, Ohio — One local state education leader has expressed concerns this week after reports that two Upper Sandusky residents are operating a neo-Nazi "dissident homeschool" group on messaging app Telegram.
According to reports in VICE news, the group's channel includes lesson plans that promote reading the texts of Adolf Hitler, call for Jewish people to be removed from public classrooms and refer to Civil Rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. as someone who "ethnically cleansed whites out of urban areas" and "precipitated the anti-white regime."

That is just as despicable as CRT. Hate has no place in our children's education. Just teach don't indoctrinate. That is not teaching.

No it’s not. Not even close. It’s so much worse. And nobody is teaching CRT that I know of. Theories are just that, a theory. Indoctrination is programming of a belief onto others. Like racism, antisemitism, communism and yes even patriotism and religion.

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A fantastic opinion article about the bastardization and politicization of CRT in today's academia and in other facets of society.

The Real Problem With Critical Race Theory | Opinion


A growing number of parents of K-12 and high school students throughout the country have rebelled against the teaching of critical race theory (CRT) and "anti-racism" in public and private schools. The reasons for their alarm vary, and the rhetorical battles can be confusing, but it is not hard to get to the heart of parents' objections.

They reject the presentation of our country, its history, its founding, its institutions and its present laws and practices as pervasively, uniformly, profoundly and irredeemably racist. Nor do they accept the corollary that all white Americans automatically enjoy illegitimate "white privilege"—and that they are to blame for every problem that people of color, especially blacks, experience today.

We think that these tenets are dubious at best. But in our opinion the most pernicious aspect of CRT instruction, from an educational perspective, is not its content, but the one-sided, dogmatic intolerance of any alternative point of view.

CRT banishes any classroom mention, let alone thoughtful discussion, of the full range of ideas about race currently articulated across the political spectrum. (The same thing is true in corporate America and at universities, where employees know better than to openly object to CRT's rigid dogmas.) The CRT-approved story, in a nutshell, is that white racism is pervasive and accounts for all racial deficits and disparities. What is not being taught—what students are not exposed to, and not even allowed to hear—is the contrary position that persistent racial inequalities are oftentimes rooted in cultural differences and behavioral tendencies that are not all traceable to slavery or Jim Crow, and cannot all be solved by purging the vague category of "structural racism."

One of the central elements of the "anti-racism" creed, which conveniently allows CRT to be presented as unvarnished, unquestionable truth, is that any critique, challenge or argument against it, however grounded in evidence, history or logic, is by definition a racist expression of an oppressive system of "whiteness." According to CRT proponents, that system must be wholly discredited, dismantled and expunged, both to achieve "racial justice" and to spare non-whites from trauma, exclusion and an "unsafe" environment.

These rhetorical maneuvers render it disingenuous and a classic straw man to suggest that the goal of parents' anti-CRT efforts is to suppress teaching and learning "about the role of racism in the history of the United States." Virtually no one opposes that. CRT goes much further in advancing unbalanced and unbending ideas on how race figures in our history and at present, and in seeking to suppress, tarnish and banish any alternative approach to those thorny questions.

The effort to present one ideology on race and to discredit other perspectives as racist, bigoted and baseless is a form of partisan propaganda that is contrary to sound educational practice. But it is also antithetical to principles on which our nation was founded—and represents a dangerous attack on the essence of the American way of life.

Parents and teachers must unite in unequivocally rejecting the illiberal and pernicious notion that the repudiation of CRT is itself a form of impermissible racism. Insisting on viewpoint diversity and the airing of different ways of thinking about race in America is essential to reclaiming our education system from the noxious grip of CRT advocates and acolytes. It is also vital to defending traditions of critical thinking, reasoned discourse, academic freedom and First Amendment protections that are strengths of our system.

There are currently political efforts underway to ban the teaching of certain ideas—including the one-sided, negative views of America peddled by CRT proponents—from academic curricula at public institutions. More effective might be legislative mandates for viewpoint diversity and evidence-based learning, if only as a reminder that taxpayers expect First Amendment values to be honored by the institutions they financially support.

A positive outcome of such efforts, supported by the grassroots activism of parents committed to our traditional practices and values, would be to ensure that students are routinely exposed to a range of ideas on questions of race in America. While our preference would be for schools to stick to basics rather than to grant precious instructional time to current events and political debates, any discussion of the complex subject of race in America—whether historical or contemporaneous—should be balanced by a presentation, or at the least an acknowledgement, of differing perspectives and the facts and analysis behind them.

We are in the midst of a lively national debate about the role of slavery, discrimination and racism in our country and its design, as well as the origins and solutions to current racial inequalities. Students need exposure not merely to left-leaning ideas on these questions but also to centrist and right-leaning positions, including those advanced by distinguished minority thinkers like Jason Riley, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Wilfred Reilly, Glenn Loury, Bob Woodson, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, Candace Owens and many others. Students need to consider the possibility that high rates of some destructive behaviors, such as crime and family breakdown, are more important than white racism in holding blacks back. They need to hear why some critics think that cultural reform and self-help, and not the endless and indignant pursuit of white racism, might be the best long-term answer.

CRT ideology seeks to suppress, hide and delegitimate these ideas by keeping them out of the schools and banishing them from educational curricula. Many students and parents have never even been exposed to these perspectives and have not taken them as seriously as they deserve. It's time for that to change. That's called an education.

Amy L. Wax is Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

Richard Vedder is Distinguished Professor of Economics Emeritus at Ohio University.

The views expressed in this article are the writers' own.

https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-opinion-1605771

The real problem with CRT is that some people are not open to facts that don't fit their narrative. Period.

You're right, but not for the reasons you think.

CRT is not factual. It is WOKE propaganda and is based in hate many hate groups.

Sadly, there are those that would argue that you are wrong....

No, it's not. But that is precisely what I would expect you to say.

Thank you OCD. You prove my point on hate when you call names. I criticize ideology I disagree with and do so without name calling the individual.

Oh, that wasn't directed at you as an individual; it was directed at your GOPer cult beliefs and the mindless minutia that drives them.

The very fact you used the term woke is proof that it has become political and you have bought into it. The very fact you labeled it as propaganda is exactly the same. These are the very same talking points the far right use to attack teaching children the truth.

Distinguished thinkers like Candace Owens? CRT does not seek to suppress, hide and delegitimize anything. Well, except that White people are superior due to a lack of skin pigmentation

I’ll take the following: The Origins of Racism in the West edited by Miriam Elias-Felton, Benjamin Isaac and Joseph Ziegler over the drivel filled opinion piece. That screed opinion piece is simply American Exceptionalism which is bullschlitz along with “we are now post-racial”couched in academic tap-dancing.

I think you just proved their point. Well done.

CRT is not teaching! It has no place in public education.

According to the far right. Maybe if you opened your eyes to everything that has happened post slavery you might understand that.

dA faR RiTe !!!

Anyone can find an exception to the rule when trying to deflect from the rule itself.

Public education was not created to indoctrinate our children with ideology. CRT is a joke and is part of a WOKE agenda. Children does not belong in the middle of our political agendas. Keep that crap out of schools. Parents should shape their children's opinions and then when that child becomes an adult they can then decide if their parents were right or not. This crap was designed to make children feel bad about their selves and form a different opinion than that which should define them.

Yet you are the only one here in this forum making it political. Funny how that works.

no no.

It's two Upper Sandusky residents homeschooling their kids. They are NOT teaching our kids this stuff.

#factsmatter

So as long as people's religion and politics agree with everything taught in our schools, everything is fine. Otherwise it's an issue. We get it.

I never said that.

Way to put words in people's mouths to further your agenda.

Teaching children history and how that history helped us arrive at where we are now isn't an agenda. It would be an end to white washing history. Those aren't the same thing.

biLl mAhEr iz SoOoO fAr rItE!

My personal opinion is that there are 3 forms of CRT.

1, what CRT is, and most people propagate
2, what some (the vast minority) teach that is over the line
3, what the far right claims CRT to be

Just wondering, When did you all start hearing about CRT? I mean, I'm thinking back and it's been about a year or so for me. Prior to that, never heard the phrase.

I'm thinking it was something that the Right made up to cause a stir and build a rallying cry around. Just a made up thing.

Just teach history without messing with it.

Sigh. CRT has been around for a very long time. It Is not some concept manifested by "the right" last year.

Although I don't reference wikipedia often, I think this give a decent overview of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

Ok,, I wasn't aware of it for sure. But from the article you posted

"Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism.[16][22] Since 2020, conservative U.S. lawmakers have sought to ban or restrict the instruction of CRT along with other critical education in primary and secondary schools,[9][23] as well as relevant training inside federal agencies.[24] Advocates of such bans argue that CRT is false, anti-American, villainizes White people, promotes radical leftism, and indoctrinates children.[16][25] Advocates of bans on CRT have been accused of misrepresenting its tenets, and of having the goal to broadly silence discussions of racism, equality, social justice, and the history of race.[26][27]"