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God help them. They committed the sin of marketing to everyone.


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The field of GOPer POTUS candidates is now like 20 deep, Trump will cruise to the nomination if he doesn’t go to jail. Decent republicans that are still with the party are as rare as 20 pound gold nuggets. Hell, I’d call them true unicorns. The only thing that the the Republican Party knows now is vindictive hate filled lies and fascist tears. Watching this GOPer party die a slow motion death has been fascinating, but I’m ready for the death knell and hope it comes this cycle.

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Hate and fear have always been huge motivators. Don't expect that to change any time soon. "They're not like us!" has always worked pretty well for them. Far more so lately.


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I see a day coming when politicians like Trump and DeStains will be beaten with sticks in the streets. Of course, by then, it will be far too late to undo the damage they’ve done. But I wish them both a Gaddafi-esque ending.


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I'm certainly not a fan of hate mongers or those that target marginalized groups of people.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm certainly not a fan of hate mongers or those that target marginalized groups of people.

You mean the fascists and would-be dictators that want to undo 250 years of democracy because they don’t like being the new minority? Yep, that 30% of American voters is vile, and America would be better off without them. No doubt.


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There are only 30% of voters that identify as Republican. Some say even slightly less than that. You seems you like lumping all republicans as being the same and that all have a trumpian mentality. Actually many voted for him because he became the republican nominee and not because they thought he would be a good president. They had to hold their nose to vote for him. Sadly much the same thing I had to do in order to vote for Biden.

All Republicans do not have a trumpian mentality. It would be no more true than claiming that AOC represents all democrats which is also not true. But I see the extremes on both sides to that all the time so it's certainly not an original idea.


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God help them. They committed the sin of marketing to everyone.

But those boycotting are not prejudiced.
Just ask them.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Target’s stock loses $12.7B, sinks to lowest level since 2020 over boycotts
https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/targets-stock-loses-12-7-billion-hits-lowest-level-since-2020/

Lol … guess that means all the woke right wingers will need to end their boycott on Walmart.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You mean the fascists and would-be dictators that want to undo 250 years of democracy because they don’t like being the new minority?

You want to silence half the country and label anyone that disagrees with you a facist and a terrorist. Seems a bit putin-ish. Doesn't sound like you care for democracy, you just want your side to be the dictator.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Uh oh! They found out Chick-Fil-A is "inclusive". Now even their beloved Christian symbol of what a business is supposed to be is under attack......

Chick-Fil-A Branded 'Woke' After Right-Wingers Find Old Diversity Statement

this is fake news.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erick-mcreynolds-922a8140/

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Target’s stock loses $12.7B, sinks to lowest level since 2020 over boycotts
https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/targets-stock-loses-12-7-billion-hits-lowest-level-since-2020/

This is what I find funny. Liberals hate the private sector. They always complain about company profits. You would think seeing companies lose money would make them happy. Yet, here they are, complaining about. I think they flipped sides just because they like to argue.

What was the response from these companies once they started losing money? They folded like a lawn chair. Proof that boycotts work. Now, imagine if liberals could get a movement going to boycott companies that pay crap wages or have crap benefits. Think of the change they could make. People like to complain about capitalism, yet, we the people have the tools to keep them in check, people keep giving these companies money for whatever reason.


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Originally Posted by Squires
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You mean the fascists and would-be dictators that want to undo 250 years of democracy because they don’t like being the new minority?

You want to silence half the country and label anyone that disagrees with you a facist and a terrorist. Seems a bit putin-ish. Doesn't sound like you care for democracy, you just want your side to be the dictator.

You want to find the furthest right on the board? Just let them self identify.smh.

I’m sorry if it offends you that I have nothing good to say about the party of traitors who are cool with an attempted overthrow of the duly elected government. And the sliver of the population who continues to show up for Trump, DeStains, and the other MAGA MAGAts can all be pretty much written off. They have lost the capacity to rationalize and reason.

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These boycotts are idiotic.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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That's nit the argument I made. That's the argument you are trying to make up I made.

Staying silent when groups of people are being wronged is pretty much the same thing. And not only haven't you been silent, you've made excuses for such actions by others.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

It works the other way as well. Just human nature I suppose.


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Originally Posted by Squires
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You mean the fascists and would-be dictators that want to undo 250 years of democracy because they don’t like being the new minority?

You want to silence half the country and label anyone that disagrees with you a facist and a terrorist. Seems a bit putin-ish. Doesn't sound like you care for democracy, you just want your side to be the dictator.

I mean if we're going to deviate completely from any discussion and just sling mud and point fingers .... What would you say happened when "Everyone" / "Most" / "Very Many" on the "Right" was calling anyone and everyone on the Left a communist ? I mean as a Democrat Biden is pretty damn centrist, certainly he's way center from Bernie and others - it's why he's managed to reach across the isle and get at least a little bit of bipartisan support and agreements in place... and yet Many/Most on the hard right want to tell you either - he's a puppet for AOC and the communists or he is a communist. It wasn't a single disenfranchised, angry poster on a message board it was the entire right wing media apparatus. . . . They used it to influence the public to believe their country was under attack and the American way of life was in danger.


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Uh oh! They found out Chick-Fil-A is "inclusive". Now even their beloved Christian symbol of what a business is supposed to be is under attack......

Chick-Fil-A Branded 'Woke' After Right-Wingers Find Old Diversity Statement

this is fake news.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erick-mcreynolds-922a8140/

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Now if you could only convince the far right wing of the Republican party.


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j/c...

This is funny to me. Dylan on the fence now, thinking maybe they dig chicks. Dylan playing this like a piano. 🤣

"Get a little bit famous so he could pick up women?"

"So I recently told my parents that I may be a little bit romantically interested in women and that was a big shock for them considering the past 10 years of coming out as gay, then queer, then non-binary, then trans. And I think it was just a little bit of a shock. So I tell my dad and he goes- "I would love to see you get a woman pregnant," and I said- "oh no no no no no, she’d be getting me pregnant."


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What I find strange is how much focus some people put on the sex lives others. But now it's become a movement.


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Seems to me Dylan is the one touring the media circuit and putting focus on his own sex life. So, you want to boo the crowd for reacting? Seems strange.


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Originally Posted by Squires
This is what I find funny. Liberals hate the private sector. They always complain about company profits. You would think seeing companies lose money would make them happy. Yet, here they are, complaining about. I think they flipped sides just because they like to argue.

Ah I see. You have either misunderstood the message or are purposefully misrepresenting the message. What liberals are against are companies that make huge profits while not offering their employees healthcare. A situation that forces American tax payers to foot the bill for their children's healthcare as they line their pockets. What liberals are against are companies that make huge profits while paying so little, taxpayers have to foot the bill for food assistance to their employees. What liberals are against is how there's a legalized system of bribery where a company can pit small communities and states against one another to bid for their businesses to locate there. Placing all of the tax burden on the employees and workers in the community while they avoid paying their fair share.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism. But just as with anything when it becomes unbridled and left to run amuck it becomes abused. That's where we are right now. I hope that helps clear things up for you.

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What was the response from these companies once they started losing money? They folded like a lawn chair. Proof that boycotts work.

Proof that if you can get enough people motivated by hate, you can punish which ever group you decide to. History has pointed this out time and time again but many seem not to have learned anything from it.


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Seems to me Dylan is the one touring the media circuit and putting focus on his own sex life. So, you want to boo the crowd for reacting? Seems strange.

Since when did you start following trans people and their sex life? When did that become of interest to you? It seems you have been sucked into a web of following along with something you never gave a damn about before. But then so have a lot of people lately.


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I don't get it either.
Never did.


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Seems to me Dylan is the one touring the media circuit and putting focus on his own sex life. So, you want to boo the crowd for reacting? Seems strange.

Since when did you start following trans people and their sex life? When did that become of interest to you? It seems you have been sucked into a web of following along with something you never gave a damn about before. But then so have a lot of people lately.

That's just it. I don't follow them -- they follow me, everywhere I go. It's plastered on the screen every time you turn around, DUH.


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Maybe it's the channels you've chosen to watch. I hadn't seen anything about it until you posted it and I read a lot of different news sources on a daily basis. I hadn't seen a thing about boycotts against marginalized people in our society until the far right started these boycotts. For a party that claims to be pro business it seems that only applies when businesses choose not to market to certain portions of our society.


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It wasn't a "channel I chose to watch". It was a rabbit-hole that started with your Chick-fil-a link and continued through another Yahoo article about "Anti-LGBTQ backlash".

And I wouldn't classify this as "boycotts against marginalized people", but I understand why you would... It's the easiest way to circle around to "the party" and how evil it is.

Alas, my post was merely a look inside the irony that Dylan has seized the 15 minutes and dusted his hands of the controversy; enjoying the spotlight while everyone else screams in the aisles of social media.


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If you don't consider the LGBTQ community as marginalized, what exactly is it then? Surely you're not trying to say it isn't a huge target of the right and is most certainly a small portion of our society? What do you call it when a political element places a huge target on the backs of not only the LGBTQ community, but also on anyone who even dares to advertise to them? You do realize this looks very similar to things we've seen in the past correct?

Maybe next they'll give them different water fountains to use. I mean surely they don't want to catch their cooties.


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Ruh Roh Reorge! saywhat

Walmart sticks with Pride Month merchandise despite heavy backlash at Target

Walmart said it won’t be making any changes to its LGBTQ-friendly merchandise in honor of Pride Month — even as rival Target has pulled some of its Pride collection from stores in the face of customer backlash.

“We have merchandise that we sell all year that supports different groups,” Walmart chief merchandising officer Latriece Watkins said Wednesday. “In this particular case, we haven’t changed anything in our assortment.”

Minneapolis-based Target has removed some items from its collection for Pride Month, saying threats from irate customers made workers feel unsafe.

But Watkins said Walmart stores hadn’t experienced any threats over its Pride-themed merchandise.

“In this particular case, when we think about security … we have not done anything in particular differently related to security in our stores,” the marketing officer said.

Walmart — which boasts more than 4,500 locations nationwide — has released clothing bearing similar messages to those that have generated controversy at Target, including T-shirts that say “Some people are gay. Get over it,” “Gay AF” and “Woke up gay again.”

Onesies for infants, meanwhile, boast sayings like “Proud love,” “I love my 2 moms” and “Love will win.”

Walmart also has a whole collection of LGBTQ-friendly trinkets and accessories as part of its “Pride & Joy” collection, which includes flags, pins, tote bags, clothes for dogs and more.


One woman took to TikTok to share a sarcastic video of herself shopping for Pride-themed clothes for her baby at Walmart.

On a rack with clothes for infants age zero to 12 months, she pulls out a onesie that says “Proud love” with a sticker saying the garment is made for infants and is “gender inclusive.”

Another rack was full of infant-size rompers that say “Love wins.”

“Oh, there’s even one for me,” the woman adds sneeringly before showing an adult T-shirt that says “Proud parent” with a similar sticker marking the shirt as “gender inclusive.”

The Post has reached out to Walmart.

The TikTok, which garnered more than 230,000 views in less than a week, was also posted to Twitter, where one user questioned if “this [is] actually Walmart, or just a bit?”

Another user replied: “They didn’t see Target lose 9 billion over this?”

https://nypost.com/2023/06/01/walma...BvlAFTwkW9HN2GtCqAbZ2OPZ-jcQD6AkiM-yic8E

Walmart has now gone woke! Hurry, boycott them too! They are advertising to everyone as well. We won't stand for that!


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
If you don't consider the LGBTQ community as marginalized, what exactly is it then? Surely you're not trying to say it isn't a huge target of the right and is most certainly a small portion of our society? What do you call it when a political element places a huge target on the backs of not only the LGBTQ community, but also on anyone who even dares to advertise to them? You do realize this looks very similar to things we've seen in the past correct?

Maybe next they'll give them different water fountains to use. I mean surely they don't want to catch their cooties.

The marginalization only becomes problematic when it is advertised for everyone else to see with the undertone that those outside of the LGBTQIA+ community have to accept it without question. The LGBTQIA+ community wants some things that are difficult to understand (see women athletics) so when there is push back (in terms of fairness), everyone gets upset.

It is not an easy subject and different people have different levels of acceptance. Acceptance for workplace issues that can be addressed by law are different than an individuals personal level of acceptance.

And I used the full syntax LGBTQIA+ just to illustrate the difficulty because they are not all the same thing.

Trying to figure out what + means can be a challenge as well, one permutation is LGBTQQIP2SA: any combination of letters attempting to represent all the identities in the queer community, this near-exhaustive one (but not exhaustive) represents Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Pansexual, Two-Spirited, and Asexual.


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Here’s the thing, if those initials don’t apply to your (whoever) sexual lifestyle/preference, then do you really need to know or understand? And if you do, the net is full of explanations and google is your friend. If you find talking about or seeing inclusivity in action offensive, turn the page, change the channel, or just simply ignore it. Don’t want it in your face? Filter it, period. It’s not going away. And all the BS book bans, don’t say gay bills, or hate directed at the lgbtq community isn’t going to make it go away, it only makes those fighting to protect their rights that much more determined to do so… including corps.

GOPers want everyone to listen to their points of view and feelings on various subjects, yet would silence the opposition at every turn. Bunch of KARENS.

Being WOKE is a good thing, not a shameful thing. It means you can see farther than your own basic needs or situation. It means you have compassion for those who are vulnerable to attacks like we’ve seen on trans kids from the fascist puritan right. If you’re offended by WOKE, something in your brain is BROKE.

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The problem is you can't filter it, or look the other way if it is there every time you turn on the TV, changing the channel is easier for a movie/series, not so much for a commercial.

I have a strong disdain about laws being passed to regulate exposure, but we should have laws that promote equality in the workplace.

And while there is general acceptance of what LGB involves, the other permutations may be more challenging than others especially when children begin to ask.

That's not a facist puritan right position, its a belief that some of the permutations are just to complex to explain to a child.

If the fact that I care about exposure makes me not WOKE, I can live without being WOKE, and I will have to live with just being for non-discrimination.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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Uh oh! They found out Chick-Fil-A is "inclusive". Now even their beloved Christian symbol of what a business is supposed to be is under attack......

Chick-Fil-A Branded 'Woke' After Right-Wingers Find Old Diversity Statement

this is fake news.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erick-mcreynolds-922a8140/

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Now if you could only convince the far right wing of the Republican party.

Extremely unlikely lol


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You know, I tend to agree with you to some extent. But then do you really agree with any movement or political party? I sure don't. When it comes to trans people competing in women's athletics I too think that's going too far. But you see, you can stand up for trans rights without agreeing with everything they say, claim or want. What happens is those who rail against trans rights use the most extreme examples such as them competing in women's sports as a means to totally rail against them. We could use the extreme examples of anything and everything to dismiss the rights of any group of Americans.

Because my take is that in the end, that's what they are, Americans. And as Americans they deserve to be treated as well as the rest of us. Using a "yeah but they want to play in women's sports" to dismiss them equal treatment as a whole is IMO only using an excuse to discriminate against them.


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And while there is general acceptance of what LGB involves, the other permutations may be more challenging than others especially when children begin to ask.

That's not a facist puritan right position, its a belief that some of the permutations are just to complex to explain to a child.

You mean teaching them about evolution and or creation is simple enough for them to learn, but teaching them about the LGBTQ is too complex? Teaching them that love is love is too complex? Telling them that some people feel they aren't the actual sex they were born is somehow too complex?

Pretending these people are non existent by refusing to address this with children is what's complex. Trying to censor them and hide them from the public light is what will in the end be the most confusing.

As of now look at what our children are learning. In red states across the country the message is clear. Don't talk about them, don't teach about them. It is too perverted to speak to children about. What message do you think that is sending?


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What happens is those who rail against trans rights use the most extreme examples such as them competing in women's sports as a means to totally rail against them.
Where? Not here. Please show me where someone is using the sports angle to discriminate against their sexuality.

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We could use the extreme examples of anything and everything to dismiss the rights of any group of Americans.

Isn't that exactly what takes place when any parent concerned with the balance between education and indoctrination, concerned about the fact that they're told "it's none of their business"; is called a homophobe? I certainly don't see you or your clan saying things like "yeah but they want to play in women's sports a role in what they're children are taught".

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Educating children about the actual world around them has now been labeled indoctrination. The perfect excuse to rail against anything being taught to children that would help prepare them for the real world of which some parents disapprove. Using the word indoctrination to discriminate isn't as clever as you think it is. But certainly claiming that has sucked in a lot of people.

And yes, in case you haven't noticed, which I think you have, this entire "but they want to play in women's sports" issue has been raised over and over again when it comes to trans rights and why people are against it.

And yes, if you want to hide your children from learning about, hearing about or seeing anything having to do with gender equality or teaching them about homosexuals, obviously it's something you fear them learning about. That sounds pretty homophobic to me. All they are learning as of now is that there must be something wrong with these people since it's so wrong to speak about in their schools.


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Yes. It's homophobic. ❄️

Here's what THIRD GRADERS are learning to prepare them for the world...

"The main academic goals for the third grade is the mastery of multiplication and division, cursive writing, the parts of speech and the composition of the formal paragraph. The development of responsibility, self reliance and independent work habits is a major focus of this grade level."


A bill is drafted to eliminate instruction from teachers about sexual orientation or gender identity... From grades kindergarten through third grade.

The bill also prohibits schools “from prohibiting parental notification and involvement in critical decisions affecting a student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being.”

Pretty, pretty crazy stuff, eh??


Because, "you see", the absolute best time for kids to learn this stuff is right between 'show and tell' and subtraction flash cards. Right?? < Please answer without moving goalposts so we all know where you stand.

Your side calls this the "Don't Say Gay Bill". 🤣

Your side has made such a complete mockery of itself, the ideals it stood for that people could see themselves meeting in the middle for seem like ancient history.


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"My side" as you call it, believes all people should be represented and treated the same. So you're not on that side?

Florida Board of Education expands ‘Don’t Say Gay’ classroom ban to all grades

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...dont-say-gay-classroom-ban-to-all-grades

Trying to downplay this is yet another way of saying that when children enter the real world they should not have been educated about the people they will encounter in that world. It's another way to downplay what children are actually seeing is a movement to not only stop them from learning about such things but also to punish businesses from even marketing products to them or advertising to them as consumers. That's not just refusing to teach them about these things but them seeing an obvious attack on anything and everything having to do with the trans and gay community. And people not only act like that is okay, but support such repugnant behavior.

But you go ahead and act like that is okay. I mean maybe we should go back to how it was when I was in school when we grew up thinking anything that was gay was nasty and deserved to be mocked because nobody taught us any better. Murica!

Come on man. You're smarter than that.


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Well, evolution is not human sexuality, and creationism is a religious belief that could never be explained to me. So you went on a tangent that is not relevant.

There is a time and a place for everything when it comes to a parents obligation to raise children in a manner that they believe is appropriate.

Love is different than sex and sexuality.

And while you may disagree with another's approach, they may disagree with yours and that is what makes the subject complex. Does that make you or them a bad person? No. People have their inherent beliefs that cannot be changed. Part of the aspect that love also involves being respectful of the differences in beliefs held by others.

I was once told that there are three items that should never be broached in casual discussions, Politics, Religion, and Raising Children. I found this to be true. We hit all three...


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No it's not the same thing. But evolution is most certainly more complicated than teaching about why some people are gay or trans. That's not a tangent. Showing how absurd it is to claim informing children about gay and trans people is so complicated while they are being taught about evolution is most certainly a valid point.

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Part of the aspect that love also involves being respectful of the differences in beliefs held by others.

Oh the irony. And you described the issue perfectly here. When it comes to love it's obvious that the problem is exactly as you have described. When it comes to love people wish to block out anything involving people with differences in beliefs held by others. You seem to suggest that being trans or gay is a "belief" like religion is. It's not. It's a fact of life and a part of our society.


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