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Gunman who killed 3 people and injured 6 in Farmington, New Mexico, was 18 years old and used three firearms, police say

The 18-year-old gunman who shot and killed three people and wounded six others, including two law enforcement officers, in Farmington, New Mexico, used three guns, the city’s police chief said Monday in a video news statement.

Police Chief Steve Hebbe said the assailant, who was killed by responding officers, used an AR-15-style rifle and two other guns as he roamed a quarter-mile area through a neighborhood Monday morning.

The gunman killed three people, wounded two law enforcement officers and four civilians. He shot at least six houses and three vehicles before he encountered Farmington Police officers shortly after 11 a.m. MDT.

The rampage seems to be random, the chief said.

“There were no schools, no churches, no individuals targeted,” he said, adding the shooter appeared to fire at what “entered his head.”

San Juan Regional Medical Center in Farmington received seven patients, spokesperson Laura Werbner told CNN in an email. Werbner said she could not comment on the patients’ conditions.

The chief said a New Mexico State Police officer who was shot drove himself to the medical center and is still hospitalized.

“He’s doing well at this moment,” Stebbe added.

A Farmington Police officer who was also wounded by gunfire has already been released from the hospital, the chief said.

“The event is difficult to understand, how something like this happens,” he said. “But we are doing the best that we can to piece through (evidence), and talk with family members of the suspect to piece through what was going on” and determine a motive, he added.

The crime scene is “wide and complex” and it will take time to figure out what happened, Stebbe said.

Authorities didn’t identify any victims or the shooter. The chief said police expect to hold another news conference Tuesday afternoon.

The Phoenix division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) earlier tweeted that it was “responding to a report of a mass shooting” in Farmington.

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham said she is praying for the victims and their families and has directed the state to support the investigative efforts of the city and county.

“Although details continue to emerge about this incident, this serves as yet another reminder of how gun violence destroys lives in our state and our country every single day,” she said in a statement. “This administration will not stop fighting the epidemic of gun violence from every angle possible.”

Farmington Mayor Nate Duckett said he has received calls of support from the White House, lawmakers in Washington, the Navajo Nation and mayors throughout the state.

“We are a resilient community, a community that cares for each other,” Duckett said. “In the face of adversity, we must stand together, comfort one another, and make a determined effort to heal these wounds so we can emerge stronger and not allow this act of violence to define us.”

About 46,400 people live in Farmington, which is in northwestern New Mexico, just south of the Colorado state line. It is about 150 miles northwest of Albuquerque and about 50 miles from the Four Corners area where the borders of New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Utah intersect.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/us/farmington-new-mexico-shooting/index.html

They might as well stop reporting them and just send home red slips when your kid doesn’t survive school. The EVIL side has desensitized America to bloody massacres. Next, they’ll want a dictator for real.

I regards to the mass shootings portion of your post that's exactly what they want and what they're counting on.

I know, I see the cowards walking lockstep for their NRA and Billionaire Libertarian overlords, while regular people pay the steepest of prices. Sickening and unforgivable.

Michigan school shooter’s parents file appeal on judge’s order to make them stand trial

The parents of the shooter who killed four students at a Michigan high school in November 2021 are appealing a judge’s order that they stand trial for manslaughter, according to new filings.

Jennifer and James Crumbley, the parents of Ethan Crumbley, were charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors argued they provided their son with a gun and ignored warning signs about his behavior before the killings.

The Michigan Appeals Court ruled earlier this year the Crumbley parents could stand trial because their “actions and inactions were inexorably intertwined” with the actions of their son.

The parents are now appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court, according to two filings shared by local outlet WXYZ-TV Detroit. Their attorneys argue in the documents that “to hold parents to such a standard runs afoul of principled outcomes” and that “the mass shooting perpetrated by [Ethan Crumbley] was not foreseeable.”

Ethan was a 15-year-old sophomore when he attacked his high school in Oxford, Mich., in 2021, killing four and injuring seven others. He pleaded guilty to terrorism and murder charges last year.

The Michigan Appeals Court opinion in March argued the shooting was reasonably foreseeable.

“This connection exists not simply because of the parent-child relationship but also because of the facts showing that defendants were actively involved in EC’s mental state remaining untreated, that they provided him with the weapon used to kill the victims, and that they refused to remove him from the situation that led directly to the shootings,” a three-judge panel wrote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...fgpPf896CdLnLoAWtXbzXWQ0K3ROuWfSaIomCLAM

I want to see where this goes, but I think there is reasonable cause to pursue the charges against the "parents".

Like yourself I don't know how about the actual laws on the books pertaining to all of this so I have no idea where this will lead. I do however feel that there should be laws in place that if you are made well aware of your child having a mental condition, ignore that and then give that child access to guns, you are at least partially responsible for the consequences of those actions.

Mass shooting at Missouri nightclub leaves at least 3 dead

Three of the victims were transported to hospital but a short time later one of them was pronounced dead, police in Kansas City said.

A mass shooting at a Missouri nightclub left three people dead and one in critical condition in the early hours of Sunday morning, police said.

Officers found multiple victims of the Klymax Lounge in Kansas City after they arrived at the scene at 1:26 a.m. local time (2:26 a.m. ET), the Kansas City Police Department said in a statement.

“Two victims were pronounced deceased at the scene,” the statement said. “One of those victims was located outside the lounge and the second was located inside the business.”

It added that three of the victims were transported to hospital but a short time later one of them was pronounced dead.

All of the victims are believed to be adults, the statement said.

“Homicide detectives and crime scene personnel have responded to the scene,” it added. “They will be processing the scene to recover any evidence and speaking to any potential witnesses.”

Police did not say whether anyone had been arrested in connection with the shooting or offer a motive.

The Klymax Lounge describes itself as a “dance club and nightclub” on its Facebook page which says it has a restaurant.

NBC News has reached out to the Klymax Lounge for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-missouri-nightclub-leaves-least-3-dead-rcna85450

This could be gang related. There have been four other shooting incidents at KC nightclubs in the past few years. Of course the ease of acquisition and number of guns and ammo on the the streets these days have nothing to do with all of that.

https://www.rawstory.com/uvalde-shooting-body-cam-footage/

New Uvalde body cam video shows cops vomiting and sobbing after looking inside the classroom
Sarah K. Burris
May 21, 2023, 8:31 PM ET

New Uvalde body cam video shows cops vomiting and sobbing after looking inside the classroom
Photos: screen capture

A new CNN special on Sunday by Shimon Prokupecz revealed new video footage not previously made public of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting.

After an hour of doing nothing, the shooter was finally dead, and police moved in.

The show opens with the sound of gunfire from the shooter and from the police. The next scene is a group of officers finally entering the classroom. What follows is a collection of body camera footage showing officers vomiting outside. Others were sobbing and holding each other. A different video showed an officer shaking while trying to clean blood off his hands.

Before that, the video that was released showed the police standing around, trying to figure out what to do.

The footage that CNN showed was approved by the parents to reveal to the public. Prokupecz explained to viewers that the families hope that showing the footage in the special will help create more motivation to do something more to help stop the mass shootings.

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Prokupecz that they've fought for the information previously blocked from the public. In some cases, it's only because of the media that any parents can access information about what happened that day.

77 minutes. That's how long they waited to go in.

A very hard lesson on what not to do when arriving at the scene.

Hollywood Beach Fl on the boardwalk by Margaritaville about a hour ago. 9 shot. Don’t know much more yet

Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts/prayers.
Rinse/repeat.

Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts/prayers.
Rinse/repeat.

Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts/prayers.
Rinse/repeat.

Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts/prayers.
Rinse/repeat.

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Chapter Two
January, 2023
Week 2

Bang, bang...

3 kids among.the victims

Hollywood shooting – live: Manhunt under way for suspect as baby among nine shot on Florida beach boardwalk

A manhunt is under way to track down a second suspect wanted in connection to a mass shooting that left nine victims – including four children – injured on a beach boardwalk in Hollywood, 20 miles north of Miami.

The shooting unfolded at about 6.15pm local time near the beach boardwalk in Hollywood, Florida, on Monday as families and friends gathered to enjoy the Memorial Day holiday.

Police said a fight is believed to have broken out between two groups on the seafront, which then escalated into gunfire.

At least nine people were injured in the mass shooting, including a one-year-old baby and a 17-year-old.

Hollywood Police Department spokesperson Deanna Bettineschi said one victim was in surgery late on Monday while the others were stable.

One person of interest has been detained following the incident and a second suspect is now on the run from authorities.

He is described as a Black man with dreadlocks who was wearing a black short-sleeve shirt and camo shorts.

Chilling video take on the boardwalk shows terrified crowds fleeing the busy boardwalk as the gunfire erupted near a convenience store, a Ben & Jerry’s ice cream store and a Subway sandwich shop.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-beach-mass-shooting-today-b2347997.html

This doesn't sound like a mass shooting in what we've seen recently or what normally gets politicized. So far it seems like two "groups" got into it and someone sprayed gunfire into the air.

They're reported, not politicized. People wanting less gun deaths in America isn't about politics. It's about corpses. Some want to do anything to decrease the amount of corpses and some feel the amount of corpses that pile up are a worthy price to pay to do nothing. The death toll seems to be acceptable to some. Not only do a vast percentage of democrats want stricter gun control laws, nearly half of republicans do as well. Maybe someone needs to tell them that they aren't allowed to do that because it's all centered around politics.....

AP-NORC poll: Most in US say they want stricter gun laws

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-chicago-c912ecc5619e925c5ea7447d36808715

Study shows majority of gun owners support specific gun safety policies

“This is not as partisan an issue as it’s perceived, and this is not as controversial an issue as it is perceived,” said Michael Siegel, who led the research.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/19/gun-owners-support-safety-policies-00062335

The only part that's political is by the extremists on both sides. On one side you have those wanting to ban certain weapons. On the other side you have those who wish to do nothing. The vast majority of people simply want to take common sense measures to help lessen the death count. But it's Murica and we can't allow that. I wonder why?

So your stance is that these shootings don't get politicized?? Weird.

By the extremist on both sides, yes. Most people just want some common sense gun control. For most people it isn't about politics.

I'll definitely agree with that. I'd venture to say that extremism on all sides, of all subjects, is one of the biggest causes.

As much as it sounds impossible, we agree.

Eh, not hard to believe at all. It's just mostly disagreements that make it to print. You and I on DT is just a microcosm of social media as a whole. We just all need to be wise enough to realize that extremes don't represent the entire mindset. Our generation is starting to understand that, those a lot younger -- not so much.

The sad truth is MOST of the small community cops have little training and are just lost in a real important situation. In the military, cooks and cops are lowest performers- think it is different in civilian world---nope.

Sad, but it is hard to follow any of these- gun availability, mental health, and current culture- it isn't surprising.

Well, there goes the ole "good guy with a gun" theory....

I really don’t see the extremists on the left blocking common sense gun control but yeah let’s just say both sides are equal on this issue. Pfft sorry pffft

We could talk about the 53 people shot in Chicago last weekend. But...nah...sweep it under the rug

Why would anyone do that? It doesn't fit the agenda.

We could also talk about the over 100 guns owned on my 3/4 mile road that haven't been used in any crime, in over 23 years. But, that doesn't make the headlines some want.

Wow, arch, is that a street or a militia? Smh, this is just another example of there being way too many guns in America.

Oh. By the way, none of those guns has been used in a crime. Weird, isn't it?

Ah, the "here's what it's like at my house" comment.

We sure can talk about them - what is it you want to say? No-one is stopping you or silencing you. Most definitely no-one is sweeping it under the rug -- what tends to happen, instead, is people tend to try and use it like a political "gotcha" - which it isn't. Talk away - tell us what you think.

Liberal policies resulted in those 53 people getting shot. Instead of hiring police and putting away criminals they hired "peacekeepers" and pay them 100 dollars a day to keep the peace. Didn't keep much peace, did it?

link

100 bucks a day? Seems legit:

"The money for the program in the current budget year — $11 million — is set to increase to $30 million in the next year, according to state records."

Yet Chicago already tried what you are proposing. They already have almost twice the amount of police officers per capita than the national average. Obviously that hasn't worked.

Based on data reported to the FBI in 2020 by 15,875 law enforcement agencies across the country, the national ratio of police officers to population is 2.4 officers per 1,000 people. By comparison, and according to this same data set, the Chicago Police Department had 4.7 police officers per 1,000 people in 2020.

https://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/chicago-police-department-staffing-analysis

I think you're missing the point of "obviously that hasn't worked"... and comparing Chicago's crime to the "national average" city is a weak. Parts of Chicago are war-zones, obviously more man-power is needed.

But now it's far worse. The per-capita murder rate in the Chicago Police Department's 15th District in Austin has climbed 274% between 2010 and 2020, to 115.2 per 100,000 residents. In the 11th District, serving Garfield Park, the increase was 114%, and the per-capita murder rate reached 146.8, according to data from the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

Those homicide rates are up there with the most violent cities on Earth, according to data analytics company Statista. The world's most violent city, Tijuana, Mexico, has a murder rate of 138 per 100,000 residents.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/cra...iolence-problem-debate-safety-inequality


Who looks at that kind of data and says... "I got it --peacekeepers!!"?


Current mayor, Brandon Johnson would not commit to filling 1600 vacancies in the force and proposed 150M in cuts. That's probably not going to get it done. Pandering to the sector with the megaphones -- insisting police themselves are the cause of all these problems -- is not going to get it done either.

I'm pretty sure that when you have twice the average number of police officers per capita as the national average and you have the crime rate you posted, at some point you attempt to open up other avenues to try and help address the problem. One thing we can both say for sure, we've seen more and more police officers being hired across this country and the crime rate continues to increase. So for all of the bluster about it, it hasn't worked. And we also know if you never try anything different you'll never find out if adding another approach will help.

The mantra of "Let's just keep hiring more and more cops like we've been doing" as the crime rate just keeps rising sounds like a broken record with a broken record of failure. I'm not against hiring more cops but there needs to be other community based and police based alternatives entered into the equation.

Thus far across this country they have hired more cops, they have community and church outreach programs as well and nothing seems to be helping to any great extent. I'm certainly not going to advocate the idea to keep doing what we've been doing and refusing to try new ways to help. I was raised with the idea that when something's broke you try to find ways to fix it until you find something that works. So far nothing has worked including hiring more cops.

I know nothing of the program and nothing of the site you posted - but assuming it's accurate I'd say

[1] It's early days - program initiated in April

[2] 53 shootings is a nice headline - but YOUR article highlights the initial success of the program you are now trying to piss over. ""From Feb. 15, when the program was launched, through April 15, 90 of the 102 hot spots had zero shootings, according to a study by the Center for Neighborhood Engaged Research & Science, which also found that the other locations had 22 shootings, compared with 23 over the same period last year. Two Peacekeepers were wounded — one shot and the other stabbed.""

It's a tough situation to crack. But discussing it by saying gang violence was created by liberal policies probably won't get much in terms of engagement.

For some it's not about engagement or what can be done to help lessen the problem. It's about blame.

No truer words ever spoken. Just ask any police force.