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Sure was.

Ok, maybe we're talking about two different things... I thought we were talking about who could help us this year.

If I was misunderstanding, then yeah I definitely agree with you. I think there's more value in getting backup OL for us in the long (and short) term vs a potential backup QB. I'm not sure what another guard would do for us right now, though.

Yeah, but who doesn't love a good cheesecake?

If all the pieces are in place, the years of processes by the scouting team, and the type of skill set you believe you'll need for your team - why do you need some outside consultant to bless your selection? Is that not the reason that all these people get paid for? If we need a consultant - we don't have a strong GM.

To me, after the people or supposed experts on my payroll have made a decision that I, the HC, owner and other principles have reviewed - it would be a cold day in hell before I would allow our collaborated work to be shipped out to some nonemployee to check my work.

What do you think would be the Browns response if they get another swing and miss on a franchisee QB? From past experience it would be, "Well Berry didn't make that call - it came from the top". The question is, Is Berry a GM or just a placeholder in name alone?

What I want and what the Browns brass want is probably much different. IMO though, the QB should be at a minimum 6'2" or 6'3". the QB needs to be mobile but not a running QB. Arm strength needs to be superior but can sacrifice some for a history of proven accuracy. Leadership is a must as is attitude. Release time is very important. If you're getting 4-5 seconds in college to throw, you will have problems at the NFL level. Being able to read and release quick has half the battle won at the NFL level. My biggest concern is can the Browns find a Stefanski scheme QB or will this be another QB that Stefanski tries to change. Most QB's in college work almost entirely from the shotgun. Stefanski wants an under-center QB to run his play action scheme. If you look at the only 2 successful QB's (IMO) that Stefanski has coached up was Brissett and Flacco. Pure pocket passers that can play under center. Watson couldn't do it and Mayfield was extremely weak at it. Both of their successes have been playing in the gun which goes completely opposite of Stefanski's offensive scheme.

Actually it wouldn't be the first time Haslam sought help from outside of the organization to consult over drafting a QB.

During the 2013 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns did use outside consultants, specifically former Green Bay Packers executive Eliot Wolf, to help evaluate quarterback prospects. The front office, which included CEO Joe Banner and general manager Mike Lombardi, considered multiple candidates while having the sixth overall pick.

Report: Browns consulting Bill Parcells on Draft's QBs

Cleveland is soliciting several different opinions in order to get this decision correct.

The Cleveland Browns are already employing former Washington Redskins General Manager Scot McCloughan as an NFL Draft consultant.

According to WalterFootball.com, the franchise is also consulting former NFL head coach and executive Bill Parcells.

"Sources didn't reveal which quarterback or quarterbacks Parcells was the highest on, but it sounded like he wasn't a fan of UCLA's Josh Rosen. In the past, Parcells has believed that for a general rule, he wanted his quarterbacks to have started for three years or had 30 starts in their college career. Of those parameters here's how the quarterbacks rank in terms of playing experience: Baker Mayfield (48 games), Lamar Jackson (38 games), Rosen (30 games), Sam Darnold (27 games), and Josh Allen (27 games)."

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...lls-on-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-115991506/

I agree with you that it most likely won't happen but it's not as if it's as far fetched as it's made out to be.

I think the problem more often than not is square peg round hole. Example. If you're going to mortgage the future on Deshawn Watson, then immediately change your system to match the skill set of the QB you just sold the farm for. Stefanski is looking for another Kirk Cousins that excelled in his system. Baker in 2020 was executing the Stefanski offense for about 8 games with Chubb running the ball like Stefanski wanted. Then came 2021 and Baker tried to be a gun slinger, and he and Stefanski butted heads many times. Until Stefanski told Berry he could not work with Baker. Then the trade for a QB that was further away from being Cousins than Baker was.

I actually believe that Dillon Gabriel's mind is exactly what Stefanski is looking for he just does not have the physical talent to be Cousins. If the Browns stick with Berry and Kevin, I do think both Mendoza and Simpson can learn to operate a system like Stefanski's and both seem like they have the ability and personality that Stefanski can work with. The issue will be that with a rookie QB, basically a new Oline, and most offensive talent as rookies and year 2 players can berry and Stefanski survive another tough season in 2026. If they are allowed to stay and make the QB selection, they need to then have 3 years to make that work with their new QB. If they are not given that time then they must be fired this off season and the new GM and coach be given time to build around the young QB and offense.

So then are you trying to say that Baker went rogue and ignored the calls Stefanski made and called his own plays?


What evidence do you have to support that? How can you be so sure that it wasn't Haslam that wanted watson and told the FO to go out and him?

Sure a lot of accusations based on guess work in that post.

Exactly how I feel. Pride and personal feelings aside, get the help you need to finally find our franchise QB. Do it for the Cleveland Browns and especially, do it for the long-suffering fans. We all deserve a lot better than we've gotten!

What now?

We continue to lose. I don't see anything ever changing. On one hand, I think we should have a fire sale, trade everyone we can for picks and clean house. On the other hand, bringing in a new crew that is stuck with Watson contract is setting them up to fail. I don't see Haslam learning from his mistakes. So we'll continue to lose.