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I agree w/this - we are SO far off at the QB spot that it seems pretty hopeless. Whenever DW drops back into the pocket I am bracing for the worst (INT, strip sack, poor throw) instead of feeling a sense of confidence (I even had the confidence with Baker). I think we have the worst QB room in the NFL. Hell, I'd take the Chicago backups (either of them) over our guys

Let's see if Monken can adhere his knowledge and maybe get Watson to another level .
Remember this is the sane guy that made Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jameis Winston
Look good .
Look Stefanski was still here Id be in real panic mode.
But Monkens body of work blows his out of the water

Ty Simpson grew on me but I would not have taken him at #13. Not sure how I felt about Dart or Schuck.

Personally I am not big on blaming the FO for missing on diamonds in the rough or to use Brady as an example - every team passed on him multiple times. The Patriots got lucky - it wasn't some genius pick and I don't blame the Browns for passing on him. Any QB that has first round consideration - that's a different matter and you'd hope the professionals have a better inside track and ability than us fans.

Last year I went into the season with no expectations - and I am there again. Monken, the rookie WR, the OL, Verse, Schwesinger .... those will be the things I am interested in this year. If we are somewhat competitive - great. If not - well I'll still watch and pay close attention to the QB draft class.

j/c...

I'm not losing any sleep over the QBs we didn't draft. I lost enough over Josh Allen lol.

This window was closing, completely exacerbated by the Watson debacle. Two good drafts to reopen that window, by injecting talent and youth all over the field, was badly needed. If our brass saw a QB worthy of railroading that mentality, we would have taken him. Flipping Myles confirms that mentality and also sets us up to grab any QB we want next season.

Any team that doesn't possess generational talent at QB can make a list of all the QBs they failed to draft. It does nothing to help them win next Sunday.

You mean the guy that even made Joe Flacco look good.

I get what Fate is trying to say but I agree with you. What we as fans "think" about players in the draft are meaningless. We're not being paid 7 figure salaries to be experts and get results. This is a results oriented business as are most. Berry was hired in 2020. He still hasn't brought in a legitimate starting QB. He is still here and the guy who tried to make the most out of that mess is gone. That should be a lesson for all of us to learn from.

Factual information is valid and helps explain why they usually don't win on Sundays.

Quite simply, we do not have a chance this year. Our best chance is to let the lasts 2 drafts develop, lose the standard 12-14 games and then draft the QB in April. It sucks but it's the reality IMO

You're putting the cart in front of the horse.

Nobody on the planet can accurately predict those careers. It's unfair to look back with hindsight and judge someone for not doing something in the draft. If it were, I could spend 5 minutes compiling a list that would leave you believing Ozzy Newsome is the worst draft evaluator of all time, based merely on who he passed on.


From PFF:

Roughly 44% to 54% of all quarterbacks drafted in the first round become outright busts or severe disappointments. While Pro Football Focus (PFF) tracks an overall "hit rate" of 63.3% based on a lower threshold of simply meeting pick expectations or logging snaps, the reality shifts dramatically when evaluating whether a first-round quarterback actually signs a second contract or transforms into a franchise cornerstone. Quarterback hit rate is highly inflated by team volume. The actual "franchise savior" success rate drops closer to 40%.

Crap shoot. Always has been, always will be. Your best chance at success is at the very top of the draft. 2026 draft was the first in Berry's tenure that he's had the assets to address this obvious need with the necessary capital. From that standpoint, I understand the frustration, we all share it with you. That doesn't mean we can create simple "if/then" statments to define careers or future success of this franchise.


Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a bumpy season. But there's light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully it's not another oncoming train.

Then why are they assigned, hired and agree to do that job and receive seven figure salaries to do it? Berry just exited his sixth draft and we are further away from having a franchise QB than they day he was hired. The only "light" there is at the end of the tunnel is the hope Berry gets the QB position right next year.

Over that six year period we have watched team after team find an answer to their QB position while he has not.

I mean I do get what you're saying. But at the same time getting that "crap shoot" right is their job. Those that can't or don't complete that assignment aren't considered a success and Berry has gotten far more leash than most who have failed that assignment.

You can't get the crapshoot right when you have no dice. We had Deshaun Watson, the largest QB contract in history and no 1st round draft picks for three years.

Blaming Berry for not "finding a QB" during this Watson debacle is dumb. D-U-M-B, dumb. Everyone in the sport knew this would play out on this timetable, The economics and lack of draft picks dictated this timetable.

And he's farther away because we had one when he got here. Jimmuh said "hold my beer". And anyone that still insists "this was Berry's decision" has got to be smoking something. Berry can't open the checkbook that wide. Berry can't extend those assets without 100% consensus. Berry can't tell his owner "I need you to put 1/4 billion in an escrow account" for the world's first fully guaranteed QB contract.

Berry presented the facts, Haslam said "let's go get 'em".

And Berry knew that meant job security... and the fact that he still has one is proof of everything I just said.

Once again I get it. We should just ignore the fact that it was Berry himself who created that situation. I hope you understand that it was the owner himself who hired Berry to begin with because the owner isn't qualified for the job and as such has one of two choices. Either put his faith in Berry's decision or to replace him. Haslam's mistake was putting his faith in Berry on the watson decision.

I fully understand the mess they were in due to the watson decision. But just like every decision that was made, someone is responsible for that. Berry's job is not only to find, sign and draft players, but also managing the salary cap. He went all in on the instant fix. That ended up being a miserable failure all the way around. But if I'm not mistaken you are actually admitting that the salary cap position that put the team in made it impossible to go back the well in the FA market at QB.

I find it odd you are calling what I'm saying as dumb when it was Berry who put us in that timetable which ties his own hands.

You are certainly correct that Haslam had to sign off on it. But if you can't trust the decisions of the very GM you yourself hired, why would you give him that job to start with?

It's like paying an attorney a huge amount of money and then ignoring his advice. If you can't trust his advice you need to hire a different attorney.