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Ok, the found Diprovan in Jackson's house.....

WTF does he have that in his home for?????

Diprovan, aka "milk of amnesia" in the medicine world is a powerful IV sedative used in surgical procedures and sometimes to induce comas in people on ventilators.

There is absolutely no reason to have Diprovan in your home.... it's an IV drip. Something very screwed up was going on, that's for sure.

Uhh, you can say that.

Who doesn't have that?

Could Diprovan be used to render somebody else unconscious ?

Yeah, as long as it's infusing. It's very short acting. It's not an injection, it's a drip. So as long as the drip is going, you're going to be out. After it's stopped, you wake up from it pretty quickly.

What the hell was wrong with this guy.... he wasn't abusing oxys, valiums, vics, percs, sleeping pills like most people do... this guy was injecting Demerol and being put out by anesthetics. He had to personally pay some physician to do this. No wonder the man was broke.

Wow, loved your music Mikey, but you were FUBAR.

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And Clem, I never knew you found gay people repulsive. Thanks for that insight!

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Hehehe... truth to tell, Jules, I've only found three gays in my life to be repulsive- but that's because they were all amoral little sluts who were trying to hit on me..... after I'd already told them that only girls were allowed in my playground.

If I'm going to be a notch on some floozy's bedpost, said floozy had better come equipped with the right gear!

Knowhati'msayin'???

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What the hell was wrong with this guy.... he wasn't abusing oxys, valiums, vics, percs, sleeping pills like most people do... this guy was injecting Demerol and being put out by anesthetics. He had to personally pay some physician to do this. No wonder the man was broke.

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You know, I was walking into the local corner store the other day and I saw a seat cover in some guys pickup truck that had a slogan embroidered into the head of the seat. It said "Freedom Isn't Free."

"Freedom Isn't Free."

I got to thinking that here in America, freedom isn't free.

If you want the freedom to drive your automobile without wearing a seatbelt, its going to cost you 90 bucks---cause freedom isn't free.


If you are in a hurry to get to work and you are going to exercise your freedom to drive as fast as you need to to get to work, you can count on paying 135 dollars---cause freedom isn't free.

If you want to abuse drugs, and exercise your freedom to spend your time how you choose, then you are going to have to pay for the doctors visits, the presciptions, and the legal teams; all in all probably going to run you at least a few thousand dollars---cause freedom isn't free.

If you are sick of your wife, and you want to exercise your freedom to be happier with her 6 feet under, then you are going to have to spend the time and money on a weapon of choice, an outfit that you are comfortable to burn or otherwise destroy never-to-be-seen-again, an awesome legal team, and a great PR team---all because freedom isn't free.


IMO freedom comes with a price in this country---and for those who can afford it---America can be a great place to live. Just realize that freedom comes with a price and the more money you have---the more freedoms you can exercise.


Yay America. Such a great nation. The free-est country in the world--as long as you have the Benjamins.

Worst post ever.

Regardless of your opinion of the post, it still rings true.

You want freedom, its gonna cost you. Look at any group that has had to struggle for their freedom and you will find plenty of folks that lost everything. They start with your money, and once they take all that---then they go after your time on earth---they then take that.

Freedom isn't free.

Go live somewhere else if you don't like it.

Sometimes the cost doesn't involve Benjis at all, Tyler.

If you want to be a good father and set yourself as a role model to your son, you are free to turn down that promotion that will take you away from him 6 days a week... because freedom isn't free.

If you want to save your marriage, and don't wish to spend thousands on a divorce atty or marriage councellor, you're free to spend time talking to your wife instead of screaming at her. This freedom isn't free, either- because it costs you time and patience and maybe a little pride. Worth the price, if you get what you want.

I could go on with this point-counterpoint game, but you see where I'm heading, I'm sure.

This country IS a great place to live... but so are many, many other countries.

Mostly, it comes down to how one chooses to live... not where.

With the approach I try to take, almost anyone can live well, and they don't need to be maga-rich in order to do it.

America- same place/two different outlooks. I think I like my America a lot better than I like your America.

Best post ever.

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Methinks you're simply too young to understand...

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I stopped reading here. I am obviously not old enough to comprehend. You are so far superior in intellect.

Why am I even on this board, its so over-my-head.

All this adult conversation is leaving me feeling stranded on my own personal island of youth and inexperience.

lololol

Obviously no one gets what I am saying---or what I had said in the last post---or maybe they just refuse to acknowledge it. I think that "freedom" is becoming lost in the many aisles of products available for sale. And we are settling for the popular brands of American Freedom. We take whats marketed to us and say screw it---I Love It.

It's hard to get what you're saying when you are whacked out on dope and your posts go against common sense and values.

Personally, I think you just say outlandish stuff just to get the responses that you do.....just like a troll.

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Personally, I think you just say outlandish stuff just to get the responses that you do.....just like a troll.

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I work very hard Shep, very hard to imagine up these "outlandish" posts; and when I get replies like this one..........

Well, it just makes my day. It makes my day when many a great dawgtalkers take time out of their extremely productive lives to honor my posts with a reply.



Nothing serves more as a confirmation of my importance in this world like a reply from you Shep.

Thank You.

Thank You.

Good Night.....er

Morning.

I gotta go to bed.

As I was sayin'......

I don't agree that you should be able to get away with murder or get free health care because you're a druggie, but I do think it should be a choice to wear your seat belt.

There is no doubt we are losing our freedom in this country, but I think it's on very different levels than what you are posting.

damn I only spend 10 seconds on my replies, sorry to disappoint you bud

I've often looked at Tyler as another CoachB. Most of what he says can't be real. It has too be fiction.

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I assure you that my honesty on this board scares me sometimes.

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It scares all of us most of the time........& I cant remember the last time I was scared about anything, away form this board that is


since this is a MJ thread, not being a fan of his but understanding what he did and hearing some of his songs, I'd like to just say, yes you left to early and you will be missed bye your family & friends & fans, maybe now you can have some peace. Thank you for leaving behind your music.

Tyler,
Arguing whether you should be free to take drugs or not wear a seatbelt, which in theory only poses a risk to YOU... is an argument that could be had.

Arguing whether you should be free to speed through neighborhoods and school zones, putting a lot of other people at risk, all because you are late... is an argument you can have but you have a much weaker case.

Arguing that not being allowed to kill your wife because you are tired of her is somehow affecting your "freedom" is beyond stupid.

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Wasn't it when you realize you were standing behind me

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I think your right, was that the night we were drinking beer and running around in our thongs......or was this another night.

I think it was the night we went cat hunting

Michael Jackson died? OMG, I haven't heard a thing about it, when did this happen.

Well his nose died years ago, but the rest of him just passed away.

RIP Mike..

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Singer Michael Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills a night, asking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them, said a confidential document from 2004 that CNN obtained Thursday.

Los Angeles detectives are waiting on the coroner's report on the death of Michael Jackson.
The document from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department contains confidential interviews conducted with two of Jackson's former security guards as officials prepared for Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005.

The singer was acquitted after the 14-week trial. But the information about the pills, and the lengths Jackson went to get them, adds to a growing mountain of claims tying the insomniac singer to drugs in recent days.

According to the drug's Web site, Xanax is for the treatment of panic disorder.

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton said Thursday detectives have spoken to a number of doctors who have treated Jackson over the years, and are looking into the singer's prescription drug history.

Doctors who did not cooperate with investigators were issued subpoenas, a source told CNN Thursday. If needed, authorities will issue more, the source said.

Jackson died on June 25. Authorities are awaiting toxicology reports from the coroner's office to determine the exact cause of death.

"And based on those, we will have an idea of what it is we are dealing (with): are we dealing with a homicide or are we dealing with an accidental overdose?" Bratton said.

The speculation that prescription drugs, particularly sedatives, could have played a role in Jackson's death keeps coming up with each new nugget of information -- and there have been many.

The Jackson family knows that the probe into his death can turn into a criminal case, a source close to the family told CNN on Thursday.


"The family is aware of a potential criminal prosecution," said the source, who did not want to be identified.

The amount of Xanax that Jackson alleged took surprised CNN chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta.

In addiction cases, people develop a tolerance to drugs and have to take more and more pills, Gupta said.

"No matter how you cut it, this is an extremely high dosage of Xanax," Gupta said. "It is a huge red flag, even with the tolerance that I was talking about. This dosage is exceedingly high for any human being."

Jackson's attempt to battle sleep disorder

The 2004 document details a dark picture of Jackson's attempts to battle his sleeping disorder.

One security guard that sheriff's deputies interviewed said he expressed his concern about Jackson's use of 10-plus pills a night to another staffer.

The second staffer replied: "Jackson was doing better because he was down from 30 to 40 Xanax pills a night," according to the document.

One of the guards said he and three other employees would get prescriptions for Jackson under their names.

The second guard backed up the claim, saying he had picked up medicine for the singer that were in other people's names.

The document contains the names of five doctors -- some in California, some in New York and Florida. It was not immediately clear whether police have spoken to them as part of their investigation into Jackson's death.

After the doctor visits, Jackson would be "out of it and sedated," one guard said.

According to the sheriff's office document, the guard who provided the bulk of the information quit his job after Jackson "fell on his face" in a hotel room and hurt himself. The employee told Jackson he was not comfortable getting prescriptions for him and left, he later told investigators.

Years later in 2006, Jackson was in Las Vegas trying to jump-start his career. Deal maker Jack Wishna, who was helping the singer land a long-running show in Vegas, told CNN the singer would appear "drugged up" and "incoherent" -- often so weak and emaciated he had to use a wheelchair to get around.

The comeback shows were canceled because of Jackson's condition, Wishna said.

Around that time, sister Janet Jackson was so worried about Jackson that she tried to stage an intervention with assistance from her other brothers, two sources close to the Jackson family told CNN Wednesday.

Jackson reportedly ordered his security guards not to let the family members in. He also refused to take calls from his mother, Katherine, CNN has learned.

At the time, the Jackson family released a statement to People magazine denying the alleged intervention. But Janet Jackson was not among the signatories.

Along with the police investigation, which is being aided by the state attorney general's office and the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Los Angeles County coroner's office has also drawn up a list of Jackson's doctors and is trying to talk to them to determine what drugs they may have prescribed him.

Among them are Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson's dermatologist, and Dr. Conrad Murray, his cardiologist.

Klein told CNN Wednesday that Jackson was addicted to drugs at one point but had kicked the habit.

Murray, who has been interviewed by police, has repeatedly said he will withhold comment until the coroner's tests are back.

Among others who have indicated that Jackson may have been using dangerous prescription medication are a nutritionist, Cherilyn Lee, who said Jackson pleaded for Diprivan despite being told of its harmful effects.

Sources close to Jackson told CNN that the insomniac singer traveled with an anesthesiologist who would "take him down" at night and "bring him back up" during a world tour in the mid-90s.

Another source involved with the probe told CNN that investigators found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in the singer's $100,000-a-month rented mansion in Holmby Hills.

The Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times, citing unnamed sources, said police found Diprivan.

Diprivan is a powerful sedative that is administered intravenously and is known by its generic name Propofol.

Bratton did not elaborate on what was discovered.

"At the time of the death with search warrants, we were able to seize a number of items from the residence where the death occurred and those will assist in the investigation," he said.

I'd use the junkie graemlin, but we don't have one.

Xanax are ridiculous. We used to crush them up and snort them. They would come in footballs or bars, the bars were equal to two footballs.

You could snort or eat two of them and two beers would feel like six---bad part was, the next day---you would remember NOTHING from the previous night.

I remember one time, I talked one of my guys to hook me up with a quarter ounce of coke to take to a party and I told him I would pay the next day.

Well, I had been drinking and eating xanax before this chance encounter with dope dealer X, and so I had no recollection the next day when duder called me looking for money for the q-ball of dope that I don't even remember buying--or doing.

I guess we were at 3 or 4 different parties that night---that I drove to, and I have no idea what happened. All blank. Next morning I woke up so dehydrated that my eyes wouldn't open---I didn't know what was going on!!!

Xanax are bad news----I won't touch them.

I used to know a girl who used to eat them everyday. One day she came over where we were drinking and was telling us how long its been since she had seen us. Like FOREVER!!!

We were like, "Meg, you were just here yesterday!!!"

Xanax, nothing good comes from this drug.

just clicking, GM.
Tyler, smarten the hell up, you're making me regret defending you a few months ago. No one gives a damn about Mag and her ... Xanax problem.

There's not much I can say that hasn't been said, although I wish I could punch Nancy Grace in the mouth - what a loud-mouthed, gold-digging POS she is, can't stop dancing on Michael Jackson's grave, thanking him for the ratings his death must be bringing in ... she's not alone of course; I only single her out because I've always not been able to stand her... but that's neither here nor there.

I was never a huge fan of Michael Jackson, I liked some songs, I admire & respected the tremendous talents he obviously possessed; he was a true prodigy, a word that gets thrown around too much.

I feel sorry for his premature ending, and for the fact that it seemed he was never able to live anything close to a normal life. I partly blame his greedy POS father for that, BTW.... but MJ chose to live his life the way he did once he got to adulthood; no one made the decision for him, after he reached a certain age.

The drug issues, I don't really care about, they were his problems & not mine. He wasn't the first star strung out on drugs, and certainly won't be the last. The skin-bleaching (or whatever), the plastic surgery, Neverland, Bubbles the chimp, the marriages that seemed love-less.... I don't care about those things, either.

Did he fondle little boys? Maybe, maybe not, we may never know for sure. If not, a lot of greasy media people will have much to answer to someday, when and if they get to heaven (should such aplace exist). Believe what you like, as most will do... I honestly prefer to believe MJ didn't molest kids, it doesn't hurt anyone for me to feel that way, so what the hell?

When all is said and done I will remember his music the most. Not the sometimes whackiness of his life, not the media frenzy of his death, but the music, and the phenonema that was Thriller (BTW, what a great job John Mayer did on his instrumental version of Human Nature at the memorial: that is a beautiful, under-rated MJ song and in my opinion, Mayer was the best performer there).
There will be another one like Michael Jackson though, not in our lifetimes.

I tried when I was 16, I tried again after he died.... and I still can't do the damn Moonwalk.

Good post lamp.

A few things I'd like to point out..

You are exactly right that no one will know if MJ did in fact molest the children or not. I also believe he did not. There was just not enough evidence there to make me think he did. Maybe he did, but no one knows for sure, so to crucify the guy for something that you don't know is just wrong.

I prefer to remember MJ for what I know about him. And what I know is his music. He was a great entertainer, arguably the greatest to ever live. That's what I know for sure about MJ, and that's what I'll base my opinion on.

Also, I'd have to disagree with John Mayer being the best performance there. I'd have to go with Usher singing Gone Too Soon

Drugs or no drugs.... Its not excusable.. but I will remember MJ for his music and his influence on my life, music wise, more than anything...

Wow....you're spewing some hate there.....

might want to stop reading his posts before you need a Xanax....

~Lyuokdea