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Posted By: MemphisBrownie Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/09/21 01:05 PM


Seems like a pretty good bet, if you ask me.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/09/21 02:00 PM
pure and simple Myles is a BEAST!
RELEASE THE KRAKIN!!!
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/09/21 06:39 PM
Let's don't go nuts like we did in 2019 yet please.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/09/21 09:27 PM
I just read that somewhere else.

I like Mr. Peanut. Planters, go nuts. Then those cookies with the peanut butter on the inside shaped like a Mr. Peanut, Nutter Butters, Oh! Delicious.
Not quite like an Oreo though! Oh Oh Oh! Ice cream cold and I'm gonna sing the song, they forEver go ToGether...
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 01:45 PM
Week One- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs -5.5, O/U 52.5

If you read many of my columns last year, then you won’t be surprised to hear I’m taking the Chiefs -5.5 and that it’s my favorite NFL Week 1 betting pick of the slate. The Chiefs started 2020 6-2 against the spread before going 2-9 ATS in their final 11 games (playoffs included). In 2019, the Chiefs stormed out of the gates to cover their first three games, and the year before that, 2018, they started the season by covering the number in eight consecutive games. I point all that out because I believe the Chiefs are a great team to bet early in the schedule, but not so great to bet later on. See, Kansas City comes out hot, gets a comfortable lead in the standings, and then puts away their tricks as they preserve themselves for the playoffs. Rinse and repeat. The three-headed monster made of Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill is surely hungry after an embarrassing loss in the Super Bowl. As such, I expect them to feast on the Browns during the season opener. If there’s one bet to lock in now, I say it’s this one.

NFL Week 1 Pick: Chiefs -5.5
https://rotogrinders.com/articles/nfl-week-1-lines-betting-picks-3342105

Side note: 52.5 might be the highest over/under of Week One at this point.
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 03:53 PM
I still like getting the Chiefs right out of the gate with their revamped O-line, and a re-tooled D for us.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 08:18 PM
I agree. I'm just going to take it one game at a time and hope for the best. I've seen these lofty expectations before and have been disappointed. I want a Super Bowl victory as much as any Browns fan. Let's see how things unfold. JMO
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Let's don't go nuts like we did in 2019 yet please.


Why shouldn't we get pumped up this is a soon to be declared great team and as fans we don't change squat but we do get to talk smack and this team gives us plenty of things to talk smack about.

Nothing wrong with being pumped sorry but there just isn't. This isn't 2019 and FK is gone and we have seen ski's work and believe he will deliver the promised land what is wrong with that? Live the dream !
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 08:51 PM
Steelers signing Melvin Ingram pass rusher to 1 year deal 40 minutes ago.
(NFL News.)

Son of A COW!!
I liked him coming out of college as a prospect originally a Charger, they ruined him,
probably the #2-5 top defender from his draft class.

boo
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 10:07 PM
Originally Posted By: TrooperDawg
I still like getting the Chiefs right out of the gate with their revamped O-line, and a re-tooled D for us.


Same here.. I like it. If you think the hype is high now, if we beat them, look out LOL
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/19/21 10:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
This isn't 2019 and FK is gone and we have seen ski's work and believe he will deliver the promised land what is wrong with that? Live the dream !

The only thing wrong with that, WHOOO!!!

is um I'd say AV Pelt, and Stump Mitchell were just as pivotal as K, Stefanski. Whoooo!!!
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 12:59 AM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Week One- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs -5.5, O/U 52.5

If you read many of my columns last year, then you won’t be surprised to hear I’m taking the Chiefs -5.5 and that it’s my favorite NFL Week 1 betting pick of the slate. The Chiefs started 2020 6-2 against the spread before going 2-9 ATS in their final 11 games (playoffs included). In 2019, the Chiefs stormed out of the gates to cover their first three games, and the year before that, 2018, they started the season by covering the number in eight consecutive games. I point all that out because I believe the Chiefs are a great team to bet early in the schedule, but not so great to bet later on. See, Kansas City comes out hot, gets a comfortable lead in the standings, and then puts away their tricks as they preserve themselves for the playoffs. Rinse and repeat. The three-headed monster made of Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill is surely hungry after an embarrassing loss in the Super Bowl. As such, I expect them to feast on the Browns during the season opener. If there’s one bet to lock in now, I say it’s this one.

NFL Week 1 Pick: Chiefs -5.5
https://rotogrinders.com/articles/nfl-week-1-lines-betting-picks-3342105

Side note: 52.5 might be the highest over/under of Week One at this point.


I agree with this.

I also don't see another loss on the schedule for like 9 or 10 weeks after this.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 01:03 AM
I'm tired of us floundering out of the gate. Even if we don't get the W, I want us to look prepared and not get blown out. I want us to be the toughest game they've played all year - until the next time we face them in the postseason.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 01:30 AM
What are some keys to the game in week one vs. the Chiefs, it's oll I'll guess only about just less than 70 days away. (55 days)
I'll start with one, Pass protection, the Chiefs may be undersold on their pass pressure, but with Andy Reid as a HC, I'm sure they'll have wrinkles and exploit any weaknesses the Browns show in protecting Baker.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 01:31 AM
If the handicappers are correct, and they most likely are because they are good at what they do...there's a good chance we can lose by 5 but still look good and prepared and give them a helluva game. Schedule is easy this year so they'll rebound. We could lose this and still be 10-1.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 02:17 AM
Browns defensive line roster spots. Jordan Elliott, Andrew Billings, Damion Square. ... ... Now, When! the time frame the Browns signed Damion Square which was after the draft, the very day after, in 2021, may be a,
(How do I make this point) A thing we can look at that gives us a hint as to what they mean to do.

When an anylitics team, that looks at value over replacement player, actually signs a clear replacement player, I think it may be a sign that the decision is being made, (barring injuries and unforseens of course,) to move on from a previous decision.

I think Damion Square was brought in to replace somebody in a similar position who isn't producing enough, whether it is Billings or Elliott, I don't know, just a guess, but Training camp is about to start in a week and it will be put up or get out time.

The Browns went into the draft, they came out of the draft they didn't get anybody who played DL, except Togiai, and they felt the desire to pay Marvin Wilson, and then,
If they were satisfied they wouldn't have signed Square. If they were... dreaming of getting their hands on Square, they would have pursued him prior to the day after the draft,
the Timing, is the hint, that Square is an actual replacement player for someone who isn't offering value over replacement player, and if a team goes as far as to actually sign the guy the decision is already set, maybe.
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
If the handicappers are correct, and they most likely are because they are good at what they do...there's a good chance we can lose by 5 but still look good and prepared and give them a helluva game. Schedule is easy this year so they'll rebound. We could lose this and still be 10-1.



Exactly.

One of the things the Browns were really good at last season was coming off the loses they did have with wins, 5 times in fact.

I believe the Browns are built at this stage to take on teams like the Chiefs and the Ravens although both of those teams run vastly different offenses. Both do however have one thing in common they are fast for the Chiefs that is Hill for the Ravens that's Jackson. Those 2 players are the big reason why the Browns put so much emphasis of team speed. We have the horses to keep up and have added speed on the offense as well.

But who knows where the Browns will be in terms of defensive development? We hung tough with KC last year I really don't see how we don't fair better this season. The key in this game I believe is how we do attacking the Chiefs deep to loosen things up for the running game to take over. On the other hand last year the Chiefs focused on Chubb and had some success they are sure to come out with a different sort of game plan to start the season. It was during that game that I realized how much we missed the element that OBJ brings to the table. Will Swatrz and OBJ be on the field at the same time in this game really putting the pressure on the Chiefs in a track meet game.

I like our chances but I also realize that it's sorta new to the defense, and the Chiefs namely Kelce and Hill are dynamic players that Reid has created ways to get them the ball. Do the Browns attack from the start and force Mahomes to make quick reads and deal the ball. And how do they attack him? This game has a great deal of intrigue and I think the Browns have the ability to put a great deal of pressure on the KC defense. IMO I would attack on both sides of the ball and look to put KC behind early.

Oh and they really have the Chiefs as 2.5 point favorites. 3 points for being the home team. Arrowhead is also one of the loudest stadiums to play in, and this offense hasn't really had a loud stadium to play in sense it was reassembled a year ago. No doubt the advantage is with the Chiefs but I still like our chances and I think we have better overall talent, but will that show from jump? Should be a great game.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 03:20 PM
With the addition of Schwartz, it wouldn't surprise me to see us attack them with their own looks. Schwartz in the role of Tyreek, Njoku/Higgins/Landry in Kelce's role, but with the addition of OBJ.... but, I think we can give them more trouble than they can give back, now.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 06:42 PM
Your premise that Schwartz would effect this game would be more likely if the game were on or after Halloween weekend to get him some time to get his feet wet.

(That's not too mean of a comment considering, in my opinion, Shehe Gusieppe, JoJo, Jamarcus Bradley, I'm forgetting somebody, Willies, Felton and others are, or would be more of a threat downfield.)

First I was thinking about Mitchell Schwartz, (where'd he go) of the past then I remembered there is Antonio Schwartz.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 06:59 PM
Yes, all of the WR's you mentioned would be more of a downfield threat than Mitchell Schwartz.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:15 PM
lol

This roster has certainly come a long way.
Posted By: jeepnstein Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:41 PM
I strongly believe that the first game, win or lose, will show us what we have for 2021. Can they beat KC? Sure, if they take Mahomes out again. And I'm not a huge fan of intentionally targeting a QB with an eye towards generating an injury.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:44 PM

The difference between this year to last year will be made clear in that first game.

Speed rush from Myles and Clowney in combination with coverage.

Both Mahomes and Lamar are threats outside the pocket and past the LOS.

Both Myles and Clowney are fast. Vernon was not.

When you pair them getting outside them will be no easy task.

Second level JOK. He will play right side. Both Mahomes and Lamar are right handed and would prefer to roll right.

JOK is excellent at protection against RPO's which both the Chief's and Ravens like to use (Ravens especially).

We can now roll the safety's to the left with over under coverage.

Honestly, I am not sweating either team.

I think we have answers and will be ready.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:49 PM
Quote:
Honestly, I am not sweating either team.

I think we have answers and will be ready.



Always sweat the other team. Fortune favors the prepared.
The biggest difference between last year and this year is that we have the horses to defend in multiple ways. We aren't in a position of one position group having to try to hide the weaknesses of another, or us having to suffer taking our chances with a given weakness because we have no way of covering for it. This roster is not limited in any way by talent in any position group.
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:52 PM
I don't think we need to "take Mahomes out" to beat the Chiefs, and I won't take anything away from them, but... this is their margin of victory down the stretch...

Nine game stretch through their victory over the Browns:

2
4
3
6
6
3
3
-17
5

I know it sounds silly, and I know it's not that simple, but it seems all you need to do is score one more or prevent one more touchdown.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 07:53 PM
The opponents who usually become the victors are the one's you're not worried about.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 10:11 PM

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.

Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/20/21 11:19 PM
Originally Posted By: bonefish

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.



Not for nothing but I think its a mistake to underestimate any team... The saying "any given Sunday" pops into my mind.
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 12:32 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: bonefish

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.



Not for nothing but I think its a mistake to underestimate any team... The saying "any given Sunday" pops into my mind.

I agree, and if the KCs and TBs of the world underestimate the Cleveland Browns they're gonna get a bloody nose.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 12:42 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: bonefish

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.



Not for nothing but I think its a mistake to underestimate any team... The saying "any given Sunday" pops into my mind.


Last year we had a game where almost our entire WR corps was in the COVID restriction, and we wound up losing to the Jets. Weird things happen in the NFL.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 03:00 AM
Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: bonefish

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.



Not for nothing but I think its a mistake to underestimate any team... The saying "any given Sunday" pops into my mind.


Last year we had a game where almost our entire WR corps was in the COVID restriction, and we wound up losing to the Jets. Weird things happen in the NFL.


Right, and in the off season, the Jets Traded their starting QB...You just never know.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 09:18 AM
Originally Posted By: FATE
I don't think we need to "take Mahomes out" to beat the Chiefs, and I won't take anything away from them, but... this is their margin of victory down the stretch...

Nine game stretch through their victory over the Browns:

2
4
3
6
6
3
3
-17
5

I know it sounds silly, and I know it's not that simple, but it seems all you need to do is score one more or prevent one more touchdown.


Them winning by small margins shows they are really good not close to being bad.
And it's a lesson I did not understand for years, I learned it watching the circa 1997 Jaguars go 14-2 after a year they were in a lot of close games, and I thought it meant they weren't really any good, because they constantly only won games by a small margin.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 09:52 AM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
The opponents who usually become the victors are the one's you're not worried about.


How do they beat the Browns. What is the Browns weakness in a year where there are no weaknesses, what are the Browns overlooking. What is going to pop up as the reason if the Browns come away from a game getting dominated like the Raiders 2020 game.
What are the problems the Browns need to be aware of what are my favorite teams weaknesses, how would I stop the Browns?

The Browns best tool is their offensive line. Even with all things considered, The Browns don't "want" to win a game only by passing too much, the Browns could have a bad outcome if they are forced to pass too much,
the Browns love their dominant running game, their dominant offensive line, in short
The Browns are not built to win games when their offensive line has a very bad day.

In my head, the biggest weakness of the Browns is... besides overconfidence and reading press clippings?, is
that the strength of their offensive line, (which is pretty dang good), is a crutch to the rest of the teams success.

So, how would I, hmm, had a thought. .. Part of the reason the Browns OL performs well, is the coaches, orchestrate plays, where the Browns can isolate blockers to make favorable blocks on defenders and feel good about dominating.

(So I'm just saying my strategy would be to beat up the Browns OL, one by one, their are 5, maybe 7, but not 22, not 53.
If the bad guys, can isolate and dominate, because... an OL's strength is relying on buddies, and togetherness as a unit, never want to feel alone on an island,
corners do it,
OL don't do well alone on an island and then get hit.

What does this mean? it means not going after the QB.
the QB, Baker can have time, eh he's going to have time anyway, he usually would have time.

Were going to take, that LOS, line of scrimmage, 60 yards wide, whatever, 9 front, put 9 guys on it

Stay and hit, just stay and hit, on that, right on that LOS, shut down the run game, with gap integrity, and make the Browns throw the ball more than they want to.

And, to think, there are 5 OL, now, if the strategy, is to beat the browns by giving their OL a terrible day, you don't have to physically hit, punish, and dominate all 5 of them. (they are all all-pro level anyway)
Just 3 of them. (11 on 3.)
If you can isolate, all 5 Browns OL into where they feel they are alone on an island each one,
and then, really have 3 of those 5 lose their battles all day long, just get dominated.

The Browns would be, in uncharted waters, the Browns, are not built for and do not have a lot of experience knowing what to do behind bad OL play,
They would struggle to come up with something and it wouldn't work out.
Boom! That's the weakness, Go fix it. frown

Because, this is not the year to lose games simply because when they showed up the other team didn't roll over and play dead at the sight of their Orange and Brown uniforms. Everything will be tough earned.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 10:06 AM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Week One- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs -5.5, O/U 52.5

If you read many of my columns last year, then you won’t be surprised to hear I’m taking the Chiefs -5.5 and that it’s my favorite NFL Week 1 betting pick of the slate. The Chiefs started 2020 6-2 against the spread before going 2-9 ATS in their final 11 games (playoffs included). In 2019, the Chiefs stormed out of the gates to cover their first three games, and the year before that, 2018, they started the season by covering the number in eight consecutive games. I point all that out because I believe the Chiefs are a great team to bet early in the schedule, but not so great to bet later on. See, Kansas City comes out hot, gets a comfortable lead in the standings, and then puts away their tricks as they preserve themselves for the playoffs. Rinse and repeat. The three-headed monster made of Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill is surely hungry after an embarrassing loss in the Super Bowl. As such, I expect them to feast on the Browns during the season opener. If there’s one bet to lock in now, I say it’s this one.

NFL Week 1 Pick: Chiefs -5.5
https://rotogrinders.com/articles/nfl-week-1-lines-betting-picks-3342105

Side note: 52.5 might be the highest over/under of Week One at this point.


You mention the 3 headed monster of Kelce, Hill and Mahommes, sure, they are going to get their licks, no to very little chance you are going to shut out the Cheifs, (just have to absorb their punishing blows and minimize the damage.)

Andy Reid is an Old School coach who understands defense and a running game. He knows how to win, (and IMO, I like to remember, he knows how to Lose to!)

The Chiefs are going to utilize their Rb's, Helaire, and I can't remember if they added one. I think Reid secretly wants to out rush the Browns in game one as a statement. So Stopping Clyde Edwards Helarire, and the fundamental, old school, run of the mill running plays from the Chiefs will be a paramount key to chances to win that game I'll say.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/21/21 10:38 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: bonefish

They are a good team but they were beaten.

IMO there is tendency glorify and over estimate teams and quarterbacks.

All the top teams can be beaten. Brady and Mahomes can look ordinary when there is a rush and guys are covered.

That's football.



Not for nothing but I think its a mistake to underestimate any team... The saying "any given Sunday" pops into my mind.



I agree. That is why I don't take much stock in to power ranking and such. There are no weak teams in the NFL IMO. The team you are playing that week is the strongest team in the league for that week.

Every team in the league can beat you so we need to go out and play every team with the same intensity and respect.

Losing a game because of a "off" week is one thing. You better not lose because you didn't take some team seriously. Intensity and respect is like hustle. It should never slump.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 01:14 AM
A coulple of articles are starting to come out under a search of Browns news.
This time of year, mini camp is over, training camp has not started.
I believe, if the people who make the decisions are behind some of the articles, that even a casual fan can get messages from what is being discussed, pertaining to what the team wants to tell you.

I also believe, deep down the teams want to tell us fans who is going to make the 53, and, that many of those decisions are already 99% done,

Through many years, um maybe back in the early years of the return, it sort of was made obvious that a great pre season didn't stop a player from being dropped from the 53.

So two of the things I've read in the past 48+ hours, support a theme of what might happen in roster cuts, and it's sort of interesting to make up ones own mind, and later see if that's how it works out.

I'd urge all readers to seek out articles in discussion of spots and players because, I believe,
and some of the articles' messages seem to support it, that these mega bucks decisions are being made this week

and it sort of makes sense, because if you get together and make all the roster cuts, before the people are in the building it can take a lot of the outside noises that cloud the decision process out of the equation.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 02:22 AM
Quote:
Losing a game because of a "off" week is one thing. You better not lose because you didn't take some team seriously. Intensity and respect is like hustle. It should never slump.


agreed.

1. I get the message you're trying to get across.

2. I think there's zero to -1% chance that this coaching squad will allow its players to take another NFL team for granted. The entire reason the Browns coalesced as they did was because of the meticulous preparation KS&Crew set down, from Day One. We all saw it in Building The Browns.

My confidence as a fan comes from seeing not only the potential of this team, but also the reality of what my eyes told me from last season. Confidence isn't cockiness. I know better than that. I think the kind of confidence I feel about this team is in keeping with the culture Stefanski was installing: know your worth, know your role, know your team mate.

That stuff is central to establishing a team that consistently contends for the highest honors. Daily discipline is where all that begins. Our team had that in spades last year. I expect them all to hit the ground running this year.

Best example I can think of: "This week, we're looking to go 1-0."


Like I said, I get your message. At the same time, this is the first offseason that I can read those sentiments with a slight smile of anticipation, instead of an empathetic nod of the head.

This team is very different from the "Fool's gold" teams we were peddled in seasons past. It's different from top to bottom.

I expect our team to show up prepared every time. I expect a clunky-looking game to still end in a win.


Thanks for letting me free-associate off your post. I just remembered how disciplined we were last year, and thought it bade well for the future.

.02
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 12:03 PM
I am starting to get really excited about this season, but it's a quieter, more confident excitement; not the unbridled enthusiasm and hope of Freddie or Weeden & Braylon. I can SEE how this squad ended the year, and unlike the way we followed our last playoff appearance by tearing down due to being in Cap Hell, we were able to double-down and dramatically improve and makeover an entire unit. It's only taken us like 22 years, but we have a professional football team in Cleveland, and they're about to smack the NFL in the mouth.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 01:49 PM
I agree with you as well. My comments were geared for the comments Daman made.

I also agree that I don't see much of a chance we go in to a game overlooking teams. I might disagree in that I see zero% as the bottom line, and will always give it some kind of chance of happening, so I'd say maybe a 1% chance at best.

I don't think that would come from the coaches, but sometimes players can get a little out of focus. Again, it's a small enough chance that I don't see it happening.

To free associate off your post, I agree about the discipline the entire team has demonstrated. Everybody seems to be team oriented. In order for a team let down, it would have to be more than 1 player. It would take several in "coast' mode. I don't think the other players on the team will put up with that. I don't think we have a shortage of players who would hesitate to go up to the "coasting" player and tell them to get their act together.

Naturally everything has to mesh, and we have to at least not be killed by injuries, but I think we can be something special.

How special? Only time will tell that, lets just say real special.
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 02:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I agree with you as well. My comments were geared for the comments Daman made.

I also agree that I don't see much of a chance we go in to a game overlooking teams. I might disagree in that I see zero% as the bottom line, and will always give it some kind of chance of happening, so I'd say maybe a 1% chance at best.

I don't think that would come from the coaches, but sometimes players can get a little out of focus. Again, it's a small enough chance that I don't see it happening.

To free associate off your post, I agree about the discipline the entire team has demonstrated. Everybody seems to be team oriented. In order for a team let down, it would have to be more than 1 player. It would take several in "coast' mode. I don't think the other players on the team will put up with that. I don't think we have a shortage of players who would hesitate to go up to the "coasting" player and tell them to get their act together.

Naturally everything has to mesh, and we have to at least not be killed by injuries, but I think we can be something special.

How special? Only time will tell that, lets just say real special.

Agree 100%.

The writing is on the wall -- literally.

SMART, TOUGH, ACCOUNTABLE

It wasn't a battle-cry by a new coach walking into a room of veterans with their positions firmly planted in mediocrity and a lazy approach to their "paycheck", it's the way this franchise was built -- from the ground up.

There's not a single player that shoulders enough weight, garners enough liberty or even carries enough "attitude" to change that... Maybe for a play or two, but nothing beyond that.

Why? Because if that's your m.o., you will get left behind.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 03:43 PM
how about you share them on here Throw Long?
Posted By: BCbrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 05:02 PM
Please stop,it happens weekly in the NFL.Teams can't get fired up for every opponent and sometimes don't get exited about playing the bottom dwellers.
How do you think the Browns beat the defending SB champion Pats a few years ago?Do you guys honestly believe whichever bum out coached Belechek?No,of coarse not.The Pats over looked the bottom dwelling Browns.
Some games are called trap games for a very good reason.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 05:18 PM
If those top-tier Belicheck-coached teams could overlook teams, so can we.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 11:23 PM
NFL News +Browns ... search
Twitter BradStainbrook, don't know if this claim is true?

Browns Khaderal Hodge was the only WR in the NFL last year where
all of his catches resulted in first downs.
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Is that good or bad? So he dropped all the others? (Love him),
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#6 Imo, Odell, Jarvis, Rashard... DPJ, Felton, Hodge, ... then Schwartz. (Or Jamarcus, or D'Ernest, or Others.) (D'Ernest is the #1 Return guy, they need him just for that, Plus all the rest.)
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/22/21 11:52 PM
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/..._13132_35433134

Titled:
Cardinals All pro Wr Deandre Hopkins would rather retire than get covid 19 vaccine?
yardbarker article, about a twitter submission.

He Since deleted the sentiment.
One lesson never allow yourself to post anything on t' or the internet in general. frown am I reading this. frown
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/23/21 12:23 AM
This is me remembering. Part of that article mentioned it may have been a reaction to an NFL statement,
that A breakout of covid amidst a group of unvaccinated players could result in a forfeit.

Now! The establishment sure wants the ease of 100% vaccinated players, there's no doubt about that.

So the NFL will say anything, but, a whole city is involved when a team forfeits a game.

In my memory, I'm only so old, but, there was a strike in c1982, there was a 2 game holdout of Emmit Smith c1990, there was Covid Last year, Covid last year, <that's a big one.
there were a bunch of NFL vets who opted out because of covid last year.

They rescheduled the entire seasons' schedule including Televisions broadcasts for more than 2 covid outbreaks last year.

I've seen a coach fired a day after decking a player who was running a turnover back. Woody Hayes.
I've seen an ex player turned coach get in a fight with players from the sidelines, James Harrison-Vonteze Burfict Steelers vs Bengals playoff game, and change the results.

Bottle gate ended a game the Browns weren't going to win because their Offense stunk, before the game clock was complete.
I've seen John Cooper Ohio State coach forfeit a game he wouldn't have won, down too many points, because of lightening strikes.

But! Name the last time a game was forfeited before kickoff, ... Cancelled? Covid Cancelled games does not equal forfeited by one team!

Eventually it could end up in the courts. It could be the NFL would eventually have to cave on it's 85% number.

The comment, the "statement" that a team might have to forfeit, if they don't get players to succumb to vaccine demands.

Look, what we see is, the establishment, is getting desperate, grasping at motivation straws, to motivate people, who have dug their heels in into the freedom to not be forced a vaccine on them scale
to get a vaccine,

before,
the establishment, (government, big business, big money)
Has to admit,
that they aren't for freedom.

Because eventually they can rip everybody out of their homes and hold them down and put a needle in them, or else lock them up in whatever

But when they do this, They can't pretend the illusion of freedom anymore.

But whole NFL Cities get ticked off if a game gets "forfeited" that's why it is just a threat, less likely to happen than the forced vaccine by law imo.

And if the NFL kicks out all the unvaccinated players then they have a class action lawsuit in the courts I would guess, and the monopoly status would be reviewed again.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/23/21 01:04 PM
Greedy News

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/...ysical-therapy/

Greedy posted a video to his IG indicating his therapy is "done".
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/23/21 01:20 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Greedy News

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/...ysical-therapy/

Greedy posted a video to his IG indicating his therapy is "done".



Good deal. Now we will find out if the shoulder can take the hits, and/or his mind allows him to make the hits.
Posted By: BCbrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/23/21 10:59 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Greedy News

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/...ysical-therapy/

Greedy posted a video to his IG indicating his therapy is "done".


Don't mean to sound stupid,but what the hell is an "IG"
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/23/21 11:01 PM
Browns new endzone art celebrates inaugural year

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/..._source=twitter


The Cleveland Browns will be doing a lot this season to honor their inaugural year of 1946. We know that a new uniform reveal is coming on 7/24/21 and that the stadium has already started getting new decorations.

What was still uncertain is what the actual field was going to look like.

With the Browns expected to have a great season in 2021, a lot of eyes will be on the team. The offense returns intact with Baker Mayfield leading the way behind a great offensive line while the defense has been retooled around Myles Garrett and Denzel Ward with the hopes of competing for an AFC championship.

For their home games, the Browns endzones will celebrate 1946 with a logo and an old school team helmet:





Currently, the 50-yard line does not have anything on it. Based on the above picture and Jedrick Wills’ Instagram account showing the same, it is likely that the middle of the field remains empty during the season.

For the 2021 season, Cleveland will be celebrating the 1946 season. The hope is that the 2021 season is one that is celebrated for years to come but that will have to be proven on the field. At least we now know what that field will look like for home games.
Posted By: Jester Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/24/21 12:24 AM
Originally Posted By: BCbrownie
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Greedy News

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/...ysical-therapy/

Greedy posted a video to his IG indicating his therapy is "done".


Don't mean to sound stupid,but what the hell is an "IG"


I think instagram
Posted By: hitt Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/24/21 05:27 PM
IG- Inspector General
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 12:35 PM
j/c:

Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 03:07 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



Why?
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 03:27 PM
"In a multitude of counselors there is much wisdom." - Proverbs

"In a multitude of too many voices there is much confusion - II Trooper

Listen well Andrew.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 04:25 PM
I don’t mind getting someone who was trained under Belichick on board in the front office. Different perspectives are important.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 04:31 PM
More people familiar with current NFL rosters to keep an eye on cutdowns?
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 08:27 PM
j/c:

Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 09:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



Why?


In the tweet it said, "A new voice and sounding board for GM Andrew Berry".

Maybe it's because we play the NFC North this year? After that, you'll need to ask Andrew.

Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 09:39 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



Good luck to him.

Probably a well thought out deal. You go to camp, we have a new drafted guy who is going to stick, and you just see the writing on the wall.

If you see the reality of things, there isn't much sense in sticking around for 3-4 weeks of hot training camp.

He made it to and played in the NFL. There is something to be said for that.

Good job Derrick.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 09:41 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



When did he play?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 09:46 PM
He got in to a few games the year before, maybe last as well.

He was a call back guy. Not even sure he was on the PS, but when people got hurt he was called.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/30/21 09:53 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
He got in to a few games the year before, maybe last as well.

He was a call back guy. Not even sure he was on the PS, but when people got hurt he was called.


I know who he is Peen. It just cracks me up when these guys that never really played "retire"...

IMHO it's tantamount to going to basic training and retiring from the military after standing a couple of watches.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 01:39 AM
NFL news: Carson Wentz out indefinetly with a foot injury may require surgery. What this means.

I know this sounds crazy, but a lot of things are.

There are a LOT of rookie Qb's in the nfl, eligible for Rookie of the year, and,
Mayfield broke the Rookie TD record, Joe Burrow Blah! puke!. (sorry, they don't belong in the same sentence.

Considering, the Colts are a better team than the Jaguars. Trevor Lawrence whom I've said doesn't make many NFL plays was the #1 overall pick,

Sam Ehlinger! in light of the Carson Wentz out indefinetly with a foot injury news, is in, The best, a one, two, three, 3rd best.

Are there 3 rookies in a better situation than Sam Ehlinger to win Rookie of the year? He is suddenly maybe the 2nd Best Quarterback in his ENTIRE DIVISION, that will play because who knows what the Texans are going to do.

What place in his division does he have to lead his team to finish, (Assuming it's a given that Sam Ehlinger will be the starter for 75%+ of the Colts season, which is up from probably 60% before the Wentz sudden injury. )
What place does he have to lead his team to finish in the AFC south in order to win Rookie of the year?
(2nd behind the Titans but 9 wins?)

I think, on the Wentz injury news, Ehlinger shot WAY! way the bluff up, the list on rookie of the year contention, to at Least top 4, who is going to beat him out,
considering, I believe, the team around them, and their teams recent history, and coaching matters, who is in a better situation?
3 guys?
are there 4 guys, Suddenly, who are in a better position to win ROY, and likely have the guts to do it, than Sam Ehlinger?

I had trouble finding Vegas odds on Sam Ehlinger for ROY, I'll have to search again.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 03:47 AM
Willies injured his back very seriously in 2018.

Sounds like a wise move.
Posted By: vadawgfan07 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 10:38 AM
I thought Jacob Eason was the #2 guy in Indy? I believe ut was written that Eason was getting the starting reps in place of Ehlinger. There is no guarantee that Sam is the best QB on his team even with Wentz gone.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 03:28 PM
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 05:45 PM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
He got in to a few games the year before, maybe last as well.

He was a call back guy. Not even sure he was on the PS, but when people got hurt he was called.


I know who he is Peen. It just cracks me up when these guys that never really played "retire"...

IMHO it's tantamount to going to basic training and retiring from the military after standing a couple of watches.


He did have a game winning catch for us either last year or the year before. So he's not a total no-name.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 06:03 PM
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 06:48 PM
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg


Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 07:40 PM
Poor man's Jarvis Landry -- in almost every comparable (not saying that's a bad thing, I like the kid).
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 08:36 PM
Best piece of easily overlooked info bytes today. We are developing a taste for continuity.

NFL channel finally covered us (badly) and mailed it in IMO. The darlings yjey love have been on repeatedly. Laughably shallow and predictable. Give them something they have to talk about.

Invoke The Elf! brownie
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 09:52 PM
NFL Training Camp coverage is something.

Three stories lines all the time Rodgers, Brady, Cowboys.

They had Michael Irving say Odell is the key.

Then it was back to cowboy camp.

Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 10:12 PM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 07/31/21 10:18 PM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/01/21 11:45 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
He got in to a few games the year before, maybe last as well.

He was a call back guy. Not even sure he was on the PS, but when people got hurt he was called.


I know who he is Peen. It just cracks me up when these guys that never really played "retire"...

IMHO it's tantamount to going to basic training and retiring from the military after standing a couple of watches.


I don't see it like that. Unless someone washes out on some medical in basic, there is no retiring until your hitch is up.

I respect a guy who knows he isn't good enough to make the team, be it lack of skills or his mental state just isn't there. This give the team the ability to bring in some other player who still thinks he does or can.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/01/21 11:46 AM
Originally Posted By: bonefish
NFL Training Camp coverage is something.

Three stories lines all the time Rodgers, Brady, Cowboys.

They had Michael Irving say Odell is the key.

Then it was back to cowboy camp.




Does it matter?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/01/21 11:49 AM
Originally Posted By: Pdawg



I was wondering about this.

Good! We don't want to lose that guy.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/01/21 12:21 PM
bUt hAz hE mOoVeD fRoM sAnDy aGo yEt?
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/01/21 02:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
He got in to a few games the year before, maybe last as well.

He was a call back guy. Not even sure he was on the PS, but when people got hurt he was called.


I know who he is Peen. It just cracks me up when these guys that never really played "retire"...

IMHO it's tantamount to going to basic training and retiring from the military after standing a couple of watches.


I don't see it like that. Unless someone washes out on some medical in basic, there is no retiring until your hitch is up.

I respect a guy who knows he isn't good enough to make the team, be it lack of skills or his mental state just isn't there. This give the team the ability to bring in some other player who still thinks he does or can.
I agree with Peen here. For the rest of his life, he will be a "former NFL player." He's earned that much. I wish him all the best.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 01:11 PM
While that could be true, I don't believe it's the case here. Dude has had a bad string of luck in the injury department. 2 big ones in his limited time in the NFL.

That said, he did do something in the NFL.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/video/willies-spectacular-catch-sets-up-game-winning-kick
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 03:24 PM
Your spell check is broken.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 03:35 PM
No.

Not at all
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 06:25 PM
j/c:

Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 06:56 PM
Some of the questions Tony asks are lame.

I know Nate Zugura is a paid homer, but he does really good player and coach interviews.

The rest of the people who cover the Browns eh.

Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:14 PM
Perfect response. They have really formed a phalanx against him when he goes "digging."

Last year, he pressed Stefanski on one of the games (Ravens maybe?) a day or two after the game, and all Kevin Stefanski said in response is "I'm moving on to the Giants."

"Oh, come on!"

"I'm moving on to the Giants."
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:19 PM
Happy Birthday DL05!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:19 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



And you gotta pay $8/mo to read him. Lol
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:30 PM
Thanks man! The big 3-8 today. Wife made me a Browns cake and did a hell of a job, I must say.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:50 PM
Happy birthday! Wow, you're just a pup! wink
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:56 PM
Thanks man! It’s nice to hear that. My body - especially when I get out of bed and walk down the stairs - disagrees with you though wink
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 07:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



And you gotta pay $8/mo to read him. Lol




This is what happens when you try and clown on Grossi.

#BadKarmaBroadcasting
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 08:03 PM
Well "I guess" we just lost our best LB for the year.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 08:19 PM
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Thanks man! It’s nice to hear that. My body - especially when I get out of bed and walk down the stairs - disagrees with you though wink


Wait til it's a 5 instead of a 3. crazy lol

Happy Birthday Dawd.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 08:22 PM
Some are saying knee injury, some are saying leg cramp.

All digits in this household are crossed right now.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 09:57 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
j/c:



Jackwagon Grossi didn't learn his lesson:

Posted By: slick Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 10:32 PM
Is B.J. Goodson still available?
Posted By: slick Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 10:34 PM
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Well "I guess" we just lost our best LB for the year.


Nothing for sure yet. Hopefully he wont miss more than a couple of weeks.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 10:52 PM
Gotta love walker... LOL
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/02/21 11:23 PM

Tony: So, Carson Wentz, what do you think about Anthony Walker leaving the practice field today?

Carson Wentz: All I know is I got surgery Monday.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 12:10 AM
Originally Posted By: slick
Is B.J. Goodson still available?


Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 12:39 AM
Thanks bro!
Posted By: hitt Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 12:53 AM
Is that a yes or no....nice facials. Reminds me of our current politics. Go Browns!!!
Posted By: slick Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 02:07 AM
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Originally Posted By: slick
Is B.J. Goodson still available?




He knows the system at least.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 01:30 PM
NOTESNotes: Middle linebacker Anthony Walker Jr. leaves practice with knee injury

https://www.brownszone.com/2021/08/02/no...th-knee-injury/
BEREA — Anthony Walker Jr. seemed like the one certainty in an unsettled linebacking corps. He signed a one-year, $3 million deal as a free agent in March to start in the middle and was given the job of calling the defensive signals.

The outlook seems a lot less certain after he limped off the practice field Monday during training camp.

He pointed to the back of the right knee and was examined by Joe Sheehan, head of the athletic training staff. Walker eventually walked into the field house joined by Sheehan.

The team announced it was a knee injury and will likely provide an update Tuesday.

Jacob Phillips, a third-round pick in 2020, would take his spot in the middle. He played nine games as a rookie, starting three, and totaled 25 tackles as he battled a knee injury.

The rest of the linebackers are varying degrees of unknown.

Rookie Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah was picked in the second round but has been out since Sunday on the COVID-19 list, and fifth-rounder Tony Fields II has also missed all of veteran camp after hurting his foot when the rookies reported.

Sione Takitaki and Mack Wilson are entering their third seasons, but their roles are undefined, and veteran Malcolm Smith is back after re-signing in March.

Nick Chubb says it means “everything” to be staying in Cleveland

Walker spoke to reporters before practice and was excited about playing behind defensive ends Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney.

“The edge is set over here, the edge is set over there and the quarterback has two seconds to get rid of the ball,” Walker said. “So I feel very comfortable with that.”

He broke down the importance of setting the edge of the defense to make life easier on the linebackers.

“So the best way to explain that is the field is very, very wide,” Walker said. “You have to tackle Christian McCaffrey, you have to tackle Saquon Barkley, Tyreek Hill, all those guys like that that are really, really fast. So if I know I have a good D-end on this side, a good D-end on that side — great D-ends on both sides — and they put their arm out and the tackle can’t go anywhere, so the edge is set on both sides, now the runner has only very minimal distance to work with. And they’ve got to come straight ahead. So now I only have to go one or two steps here, one or two steps here, and then, boom, tackle. Or if they do run outside, good luck.”

Walker, who turns 26 Sunday, was a three-year starter for the Colts, who let him leave in free agency. In 57 games, he totaled 343 tackles, 19 for loss, 11 passes defensed, 3.5 sacks, two fumble recoveries and a forced fumble.

He’s part of a new-look defense that could feature nine new starters but isn’t worried about a steep learning curve.

“We’ve got to get the call, we’ve got to execute the call. I don’t think it takes much time to do that,” he said. “We’ve got to get it done. We don’t have time, we’ve got a game coming up Sept. 12.”

Coach Kevin Stefanski isn’t surprised Walker was able to pick up the system and take on a leadership role so quickly.

“That is who he is, and we knew that,” Stefanski said. “He is the son of a coach. He was the kid hanging around with the water bottle when he was 5, 6 and 7 years old at practice. He is a gym rat so, no, I am not surprised.”

Training Camp Log, Day 5: Rashard Higgins back and making plays

INJURY REPORT

Defensive end Takkarist McKinley didn’t practice after leaving early Friday and Saturday with an illness.

“I think we will get him back soon,” Stefanski said.

** Center JC Tretter (illness) didn’t practice. Nick Harris filled in with the starters.

** Safety Ronnie Harrison Jr. (hamstring) worked on the side. Stefanski said he’d be out for an “undisclosed number of days.”

** Rookie receiver Anthony Schwartz (hamstring) also worked on the side. He didn’t practice in minicamp in June with a hamstring injury.

** Safety Sheldrick Redwine tweaked an ankle, had it taped and stayed on the field.

** Safety Grant Delpit has yet to participate in team drills. He missed all of last season with a ruptured Achilles tendon.

** Owusu-Koramoah could come off the COVID-19 list this week.

LEAN AND MEAN

Defensive tackle Jordan Elliott, a third-round pick in 2020, spent the offseason focused on running. He “transformed” his body and got a step quicker, according to left guard Joel Bitonio.

“He’s in the 285 range right now, but we want him to play closer to 290-3(00), something like that, where he’s not going to get bounced around,” defensive line coach Chris Kiffin said. “But he is a really strong kid. What he felt like last year was he couldn’t turn and run and be consistent play to play getting after ball carriers downfield, things like that. So he challenged himself in that area and I’m proud of him for that.

“Now it’s just about maintaining, putting on some good weight as we work through training camp and not getting lighter.”

Elliott played 29 percent of the snaps last season, starting one of 16 games. He had 15 tackles and no sacks, but Kiffin saw enough to know he’ll be part of the rotation this year.

“Absolutely. Super excited about Jordan,” he said. “You’ve got to remember, Jordan didn’t have an offseason last year and hardly a fall camp. And so when we’re looking at cutups, I feel bad that he didn’t get coached more. Because he got thrown in as a rookie, and that’s tough as an inside guy your first year.”

GIANT QUESTION MARK

Kiffin called new defensive tackle Malik McDowell (6-foot-6, 295 pounds) the “biggest guy on the field,” and he stands out even among the trees. The question is whether McDowell can stay healthy, stay out of trouble and get back in the swing of things.

He was a second-round pick of the Seahawks in 2017 but has never played in the NFL. He suffered a head injury in an ATV accident a couple of months after being drafted, missed the 2017 season and was waived by the Seahawks the following year.

He was sentenced to 11 months in jail and three years of probation in November 2019 after pleading guilty to a series of crimes in Michigan.

“(He has) size and athleticism and he’s hungry,” Kiffin said. “This is a shot for him. What he does with it really depends on him and his commitment day to day. So right now we’ve been very pleased with him.

“So we’re just getting him back to the basics, learning how to play football again, getting him back in football shape and we’re going to find out a lot over the next (few weeks).”

EXTRA POINTS

Crowd noise blared through the speakers. Stefanski wants the offense to get used to the noise after not playing in a full stadium on the road last year.

** Officials debuted at practice and threw several flags.

** Rookie running back/receiver Demetric Felton continues to get a lot of touches.

** Punter Jamie Gillan tried to drop kicks in a garbage can on the sideline from 50 yards. He came within 2 yards with one kick, then was long on the next two.

** Receiver Alexander Hollins got behind cornerback Greedy Williams on a post but dropped a great throw from Baker Mayfield.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 01:34 PM
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg


Super Bowl baby!!!
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 01:41 PM
I saw this maybe yesterday. A good signing IMO. He put up the numbers in college where he got the chance, so hey, why not??

We will keep at least 5 wideouts....no reason why he can't find a spot.

The odds are tough, but no tougher than for the others after Higgins and People-Jones.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 03:39 PM
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/anthony-walker-knee-injury/

He's getting an MRI.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 03:51 PM
j/c...

Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 03:56 PM
"Sione Takitaki and Mack Wilson are entering their third seasons, but their roles are undefined, and veteran Malcolm Smith is back after re-signing in March."

They gone. unless injuries keep them here
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 04:57 PM

Really glad to see him get on the field.

Hope he is now vaccinated.

I have really high hopes for JOK. I think he was made to play in this defense.

It would be great to get through camp without losing someone for the season.

Players will get hurt. I know KS will be cautious.
But there will be pulled muscles and rolled ankles.

Please no surgeries.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 05:52 PM
j/c...




Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 06:14 PM
Really dodged a bullit with the report Walker will be ok.

Again fingers crossed no surgeries.

Please stay healthy everyone.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 06:29 PM
That, and hopefully it's not a nagging thing that will drag on his performance throughout the year.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/03/21 06:46 PM
Not that it’s good that it happened but if it had to happen I’m glad it happened now and not in 3 weeks. The added bonus is other guys will get longer looks in camp.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/04/21 10:25 AM
Originally Posted By: bonefish
Really dodged a bullit with the report Walker will be ok.

Again fingers crossed no surgeries.

Please stay healthy everyone.
yeah I was glad to see he’ll be Okay (hopefully).
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/04/21 11:53 AM
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Not that it’s good that it happened but if it had to happen I’m glad it happened now and not in 3 weeks. The added bonus is other guys will get longer looks in camp.



I would agree with that. Now gives it about as much time as possible until the season starts.

I would say it is positive news in that no surgery is required. Good news? That I am not sure about. It can sound like 1 week and all will be well. It can also mean 8 weeks.

Week to week is rather vague, as in "we don't know when" but people don't want to hear that.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 04:02 PM


Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 04:15 PM
If all goes to plan, we're going to juice that # like crazy this year.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 04:33 PM
If the number they came up with was only 4.3 drinks per fan, it's obvious they've been asking the wrong fans. wink
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 04:41 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
If the number they came up with was only 4.3 drinks per fan, it's obvious they've been asking the wrong fans. wink


This stat OBVIOUSLY does not take into account dawgtalkers game thread.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 04:57 PM
Nor all the different substances that go into some of those posts.
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 05:09 PM
Parking this here since it has potential Baker ramifications...
Josh Allen signed for 6 years/$258 million.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 05:23 PM
Just saw this. Still looking for details.
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 05:26 PM
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 05:57 PM
Originally Posted By: FATE




there goes our cap space.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 05:58 PM
43/yr for Josh allen? WTF is buffalo thinking, thats Mahomes money. More than Watson, Wilson, and rodgers, all who i'd take any second over allen. This doesn't bode well for us with Baker with this stupid money flying around. Better win it all this year because if we have to pay Baker this kind of money we prob won't be able to keep this thing rolling. Plus the report that Baker won't take a discount
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 06:19 PM
I don't know that I trust a report saying Baker won't take a discount. But as we can see, it's the NFL teams that continue to pay these outlandish contracts to QB's. It's just what happens when the demand is higher than the supply.

We all knew that the cost to keep Baker was going to be very high. Most of understood that when his contract came up it would be impossible to keep this high priced roster, especially on the O side of the ball together.

That's why we saw things like Schwartz being drafted in round three. The teams that do the best invest in the future by how they draft and how they develop those draft choices. By teams that hit on at least a UDFA here and there. When you have to let quality players with high price tags go, you need their replacements waiting in the wings.

It's too early in the process to say how well this FO and coaching staff will be able to accomplish this. But if one looks close enough you can see that is the stage they are attempting to set. The FO has the brains and the coaching staff has the talent to make it work. That's not saying it will. But I think the staff we currently have assembled has more than a fighting chance to pull it off.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I don't know that I trust a report saying Baker won't take a discount. But as we can see, it's the NFL teams that continue to pay these outlandish contracts to QB's. It's just what happens when the demand is higher than the supply.

We all knew that the cost to keep Baker was going to be very high. Most of understood that when his contract came up it would be impossible to keep this high priced roster, especially on the O side of the ball together.

That's why we saw things like Schwartz being drafted in round three. The teams that do the best invest in the future by how they draft and how they develop those draft choices. By teams that hit on at least a UDFA here and there. When you have to let quality players with high price tags go, you need their replacements waiting in the wings.

It's too early in the process to say how well this FO and coaching staff will be able to accomplish this. But if one looks close enough you can see that is the stage they are attempting to set. The FO has the brains and the coaching staff has the talent to make it work. That's not saying it will. But I think the staff we currently have assembled has more than a fighting chance to pull it off.


I made this exact point a while back. The Browns are about developing the talent they draft. It's so refreshing to see how they have constructed this roster and how the pieces sort of slide together and make perfect sense to the long term ability of the team to win on Sunday. I believe this is the last season for Landry and for OBJ because we simply can't afford to invest 15% of cap space to 2 receivers. And it goes thru the entire roster really coaching and player development are the key to future success and I believe we have those pieces in place and under development.

I am not sure how the Baker contract will go but I would get him under contract and move on and plan from there. You simply can't win in the NFL without a franchise QB so get it done Berry.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 07:20 PM
I'm not certain both OBJ and Landry will leave at the same time. I mean it's possible but.... I'm feel fairly confident one of them will be gone however. If I had to guess it would be OBJ. I think the coaching staff really values the work ethic, attitude and mentor role Landry plays in the WR department. I think it would leave a void in the WR room too early in the process.
We are going to see aren't we. But with DPJ lighting up camp and Swartz in the wings and under development will see. But keep an eye on these 2 receivers because as they develop the time Landry and OBJ have in Cleveland will draw to a close.

I want to clear a few things up sort of too.

Allen still has 2 years to go on his rookie deal when you put all those dollars together your talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of 290 Million for 8 years, that is about 36.5 Million per and likely will be a bargain in the long haul. It's a huge gamble for the Bills and although I don't like it we are going to be in for the same investment. So I will swallow hard and push to get a deal done for Baker ASAP and get this behind us. I don't have issues with where he is and where I believe he is headed and like I said the Allen deal is 36.5 per that isn't so bad and will seem a bargain in a very few short years.

The player I see as having a great deal of trouble in their second contract is Jackson, and maybe I shouldn't say anything because I truly don't think much of him as a QB, as a runner he is great but can you imagine having to try to make a deal to get him under contract? He has the shelf life of a RB IMO. But hey in the long haul it's the Ravens problem and I am glad it's not ours.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 07:38 PM
43/yr starting in 2 years when that deal technically starts, will seem like a deal by then.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 07:39 PM
The only thing I can confidently say is how I feel... and that is I think we end up having a MUCH tougher time with Landry moving on than OBJ (and I like OBJ). Landry does so much for the offense and has basically not missed any time despite being banged up a lot. He's a vocal leader both of the WR room (when it was really young) and the offense. His arrival was the signal for the turnaround of the offense. OBJ is awesome, but this offense has already shown that it can still go without him, plus we might have a new legit #1 beginning to emerge (DPJ at least is beginning to look the part).
I have sort of seen this coming for a little bit the reality of success in the NFL we have at least a 2 year cushion and need to use that time to continue to build thru the draft and player development, we I believe have the staff to keep this dynasty we have set in motion right on schedule for a long long time.

I understand and I feel it to, it's oh no what will we do when the dollars start drying up? and if you look closely that plan is already well under way. This team is built for short and long term success this is one time we get to enjoy and sit in the backseat and know we have great people handling the details. Berry drafting and Ski developing we have nothing to fear now or in the future IMO. Sure not everything will work as planned and I would bet they have a plan for that too.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 11:01 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
The only thing I can confidently say is how I feel... and that is I think we end up having a MUCH tougher time with Landry moving on than OBJ (and I like OBJ). Landry does so much for the offense and has basically not missed any time despite being banged up a lot. He's a vocal leader both of the WR room (when it was really young) and the offense. His arrival was the signal for the turnaround of the offense. OBJ is awesome, but this offense has already shown that it can still go without him, plus we might have a new legit #1 beginning to emerge (DPJ at least is beginning to look the part).


That is why I don't think it out of the question we trade obj before the season starts. It will probably take a injury for someone to come calling, and if the offer is right.. adios
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/06/21 11:06 PM
There's no way that is accurate on any level.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 01:15 AM
Well, I bring the average down quite a lot since I gave up drinking.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 01:58 AM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 11:11 AM
That average is bound to come down. In 5 days it will be 1 year alcohol free for this dawg. Not only will I bring it down because of abstinence, but also because I contributed way more than the average.
The bartenders near my section knew my name, what I drank, and where I lived. Truth. Dieseldawg can vouch

That could be like a Foxworty joke..."When the stadium bartenders know your name the first game the following season..." LOL

My wife would get mad at me, everywhere we went the bartenders knew me.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 12:40 PM
j/c...
Of course that is what fans bought at the stadium. It doesnt take into account the boozing at the Muni lot...lol laugh
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 12:46 PM
Fear not Peen,, I'll pick up the slack rofl
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 01:41 PM
Heard they bought you tickets at home. That is real fan dedication! LOLetc. rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 02:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Fear not Peen,, I'll pick up the slack rofl

Me too. Let's all come together and pick up the slack for 'Peen!





That's funny Peen. Our bartender in our section knows us too.
Walking up for a drink with my wife for the first time... Bartender's like "Heeeey Sweetie!" Luckily my wife doesn't have a jealous bone in her body lol.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 05:22 PM
I've never actually considered someone as "emerging" or as possibly being "a future #1" at his position based on training camp. I've seen far too many people get burnt on that thought process before.

I certainly believe it shows DPJ is showing improvement over last year but how much that translates on game day is a long way from being evident as of yet.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 05:26 PM
Originally Posted By: eotab
j/c...
Of course that is what fans bought at the stadium. It doesnt take into account the boozing at the Muni lot...lol laugh


Yeah, I consumed a LOT more in the Muni Lot than I ever did at the stadium. I mean when you start out with Hooper making omelettes to go with your beer at 6:30 or 7:00 in the morning that tends to happen. wink

Much like Peen I've given up drinking. Some years ago for me, so now I would actually be reducing the number of drinks per fan rather than increasing it.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/07/21 09:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
That average is bound to come down. In 5 days it will be 1 year alcohol free for this dawg. Not only will I bring it down because of abstinence, but also because I contributed way more than the average.
The bartenders near my section knew my name, what I drank, and where I lived. Truth. Dieseldawg can vouch

That could be like a Foxworty joke..."When the stadium bartenders know your name the first game the following season..." LOL

My wife would get mad at me, everywhere we went the bartenders knew me.


Norm, is that you? wink
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/08/21 10:45 AM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: eotab
j/c...
Of course that is what fans bought at the stadium. It doesnt take into account the boozing at the Muni lot...lol laugh


Yeah, I consumed a LOT more in the Muni Lot than I ever did at the stadium. I mean when you start out with Hooper making omelettes to go with your beer at 6:30 or 7:00 in the morning that tends to happen. wink

Much like Peen I've given up drinking. Some years ago for me, so now I would actually be reducing the number of drinks per fan rather than increasing it.


By 6:30 or 7:00 I was already on my 4th beer and 2nd shot.
I sure hope in the not so distant future I get to join my board friends and enjoy a bite to eat and talk Browns football in the Muni with you all. It sure would be great fun and something I would likely remember for as long as I draw a breath. Hopefully it will be this year but likely won't happen until next. Living in eastern PA sucks for getting to games. Next year for sure as I hopefully get settled in my new home and begin to enjoy retirement without all the health issues I currently am faced with. Can't think of a group of people That I would enjoying spending time with then the folks I have fought with and suffered with. It sure is nice to enjoy the ride for a change.

That said has anyone heard anything from Columbus Dawg he always had theme's to he Pregame menu?
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/08/21 01:02 PM
Ny drinking days are over also...can't even have my Good wine or my Cognac. But I would bring a large bottle of ice cold GoldSchlaeger to the lot along with some special made Hot Dogs from Brooklyn with red pepper flakes in them...Mmmm

But my doing shot days are over....well maybe one shot is OK...lol laugh
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/08/21 05:38 PM
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: eotab
j/c...
Of course that is what fans bought at the stadium. It doesnt take into account the boozing at the Muni lot...lol laugh


Yeah, I consumed a LOT more in the Muni Lot than I ever did at the stadium. I mean when you start out with Hooper making omelettes to go with your beer at 6:30 or 7:00 in the morning that tends to happen. wink

Much like Peen I've given up drinking. Some years ago for me, so now I would actually be reducing the number of drinks per fan rather than increasing it.


By 6:30 or 7:00 I was already on my 4th beer and 2nd shot.


Franks orange stuff. I forget his handle at the moment.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/08/21 05:46 PM
Posted By: hitt Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/08/21 11:23 PM
Getting lite at ballgame sure can be fun, hope all great Browns fans come with designated drivers.
JMHO, if you haven't watched Troy P, his hall of fame speech should be required viewing for every Brown....don't count the Squeelers out....they have a great culture....as always, Go Browns!!!
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/09/21 12:30 AM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/09/21 02:29 PM
j/c:

Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/09/21 03:02 PM
I doubt I speak only for myself... but I'm really curious how they approach extended Ward. It obviously needs to be done, but his injury history is a complicating factor (putting it mildly).
Posted By: columbusdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/09/21 03:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone

That said has anyone heard anything from Columbus Dawg he always had theme's to he Pregame menu?

I’m still here, just don’t post often. We’ll be back in the Burke lot this year with our themed tailgates. So looking forward to this season!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 06:21 PM
j/c...

Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 06:26 PM


Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 06:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
j/c...



Don't see how this could go wrong. rolleyesdevil

I see an early season with a lot of taunting penalties and some p'd off fans, teams, players.


As Charlie Weiss I think said "Say whatever you want, but turn away from them before you say it, and it's not taunting"
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 07:15 PM
j/c:

ESPN gives Browns a 5 percent chance of winning Super Bowl

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/08...super-bowl.html

By Troy L. Smith, Cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio – ESPN has released its projections for every NFL team heading into the 2021 season and the Browns rank among the best.

The ESPN Football Power Index, which uses a team’s overall strength to predict its win-loss outcome, gives the Browns a 5% chance of winning Super Bowl LVI.

That may not seem like a lot. However, it ranks seventh behind the Kansas City Chiefs (19%), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (15%), Buffalo Bills (9%), Green Bay Packers (6%), Baltimore Ravens (6%) and San Francisco 49ers (6%).

ESPN gives the Browns a 10% chance of making the Super Bowl, while a Browns vs. Buccaneers matchup has a 3% chance of happening.

The Browns’ chances of winning it all would be much higher if not for the division rival Ravens, ESPN says. The teams are fourth and sixth in their FPI rating, which measures true talent. But only one can win the AFC North.

“That they have to play each other twice and are vying for the same divisional crown are limiting factors when it comes to win total and a chance to earn the coveted top seed in the AFC,” writes ESPN’s Seth Walder. “While that’s a long shot with Kansas City in the conference, both the Ravens and Browns have at least a 10% shot to pull it off.”

ESPN gives the Ravens a 43% chance of winning the division, while the Browns have a 40% chance. You can check out full observations from this year’s FPI, including the impact of Aaron Rodgers and which team is most likely to get the No. 1 pick, HERE.

boo

Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 07:31 PM
The Ravens matchups are the ones I'm most looking forward to. BAL represents the bar CLE must clear before they can be considered top tier.

Out of obvious that the Browns have been tooled to play BAL straight-up. More speed on D (Lamar), and a pair of edge rushers who will give D coordinators nightmares.

Now, there's nothing left to it but to do it.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 08:15 PM
Agreed.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 08:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
there's nothing left to it but to do it.


QFT.
Posted By: DaveyD Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 08:50 PM
Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
j/c:

ESPN gives Browns a 5 percent chance of winning Super Bowl


Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/10/21 10:55 PM
I'm not a big believer in taunting.. I think it's like what Jim Brown said about making TD's.. Act like you been there before.. And will be there again.

You just beat someone,, Shut up and go about your business..
Posted By: DevilDawg2847 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 12:10 AM
Is 5% more or less than a gleam?
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 12:36 AM
How Bill Callahan molded a dominant O-line for the Browns

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/br...-for-the-browns


BEREA, Ohio — The Cleveland Browns offensive line is ranked No. 1 in the NFL by Pro Football Focus heading into the 2021 regular season. With the entire line—Joel Bitonio, Jack Conklin, Wyatt Teller, Jedrick Wills and JC Tretter—returning this season, there's good reason for high expectations.

But it's not just the talent of the offensive line to credit for last season's success and this season's promise, there's also the man who overhauled the line and shaped it into the dominant force that we see on the field.

'A huge resource' for the Browns

Bill Callahan was hired by the Browns in January 2020, shortly after the team hired head coach Kevin Stefanski.

The now 43-year coaching veteran came in as the team's new offensive line coach and brought with him a wealth of knowledge and experience across the board, including head coaching experience with Oakland, where he led the Raiders to a Super Bowl berth in 2003.

Heading into their second season with the Browns, Stefanski continues to credit Callahan for his impact on the team.

"His office is right next to mine, so he’s a huge resource to me, with him being a former head coach," Stefanski said. "He’s seen so much, so I just think the guy’s outstanding.”

The two are working together for the first time in their careers here in Cleveland, but they had a close connection with former Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress, and Stefanski has always admired Callahan's track record.

Callahan has been an offensive line coach for a combined 16 years with the Philadelphia Eagles, New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys, Washington Football Team and now the Browns and has seen 12 of his linemen notch a total of 29 Pro Bowl selections.

That track record of success has continued in Cleveland with the Browns offensive line being the highest ranked last season.

'Tough, smart, accountable'

The Browns have operated under three guidelines since Stefanski and general manger Andrew Berry took the reins: "smart, tough and accountable both on and off the field."

Those descriptors also apply to Callahan's coaching method, with tough being the word many of his players use when asked to describe Callahan.

"He gets after us, which is at times frustrating, but it's good. That's what you want. He expects perfection, and good isn't good enough," said Browns right tackle Conklin.

That toughness is something his players have come to appreciate and respect, Stefanski said.

“I think coach Callahan has a way about him, that’s how he’s been coaching for years," Stefanski said. "I’ve heard the stories going way back to his college days. He coaches them hard, and he’s fair, and I think the guys respect that."

That holds true for Conklin.

"It definitely drives us and makes us better because it's not just, 'get the job done', it's, 'hey, you blocked him here but you could have done this and this and this and it would have made your job easier, it would have looked better,'" Conklin said. "Just having that every day, that accountability to him, and knowing that if you don't do it right he's going to get on you is great."

For Conklin, Callahan has tweaked things here and there, but mostly focused on tightening up the right tackle's sets and steps in the wide zone scheme, which Callahan said last season he was a "perfect" fit in their system.

"Just being more compact, keeping them more balanced up, and it's something I got better and better on last year as the year went through," Conklin said.

Last season, Conklin notched career-high PFF grades both overall (84.0) and in pass-blocking (81.5). This year, with Callahan's guidance, Conklin is hoping to replicate, or surpass, what he showed last season.

Support from surrounding staff

While the Browns struck gold landing Callahan as the offensive line coach, he's got some other talented coaches working alongside him with the offensive linemen.

Two staff members Stefanski has praised in addition to Callahan were assistant offensive line coach Scott Peters and recently hired offensive quality control coach Jonathan Decoster.

"Those guys, really, every period if you watch -- we may be in special teams, they’re over there working on something," Stefanski said. "And I think that’s just a great message to the veterans, the young guys, that you have to work on your craft, and I think we have two experts in that area to work with those guys."

With a knowledgeable and talented coaching staff around him, Callahan is able to work even closer with his players, getting one-on-one, hands-on technique work with his players.

"I mean, I’ve seen coach Callahan on his hands and knees getting the guys' three-point stance how he wants it," Stefanski said. "They’re certainly learning from some coaches I think have a ton to give them.”



Consecutive years of Callahan

Last season, Berry sung the praises of the o-line, and, specifically Callahan, for what he had been able to accomplish with the offensive line.

“I think that [the offensive line] has been outstanding. I can’t say this enough, but I would also like to throw in, in terms of additions, Bill Callahan, into that group. I can’t overstate his impact on that position group. It is going to be a part of our DNA. That is a group that we want to make sure is strong and deep for the long term because it really does set a foundation for your offense,” Berry said in November.

And for good reason. In 2020, the Browns offensive line ranked first in pass-blocking grade and second in run-blocking grade, according to PFF.

But just because the offensive line had a great outing last season doesn't mean the work Callahan puts in stops, especially now that the offense has been installed and the team works to reinforce the foundation in Year 2.

That's something right guard Wyatt Teller has taken away from the lessons of Callahan.

"That success was last year's success. We can't focus on that. We can't worry about that. We have to create our own success and create new success," Teller said ahead of training camp.

Teller said before camp that even when the players weren't at the voluntary OTAs, they were working out together and running through Callahan's drills and meeting every day.

Callahan's coaching style may be tough, but it's been one that has helped to create a dominant offensive line, which in turn has helped the rest of the Browns offense thrive, something they hope to continue come Sept. 12 when they open their season against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 01:22 AM
Landry gets flagged now if he even looks at the opponent... but he made his own bed. Hopefully he gets the memo.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 10:52 AM
Originally Posted By: FATE
Landry gets flagged now if he even looks at the opponent... but he made his own bed. Hopefully he gets the memo.



Jarvis was the first player that came to mind when I heard the league was putting an emphasis on taunting. He's got to reign it in. Can't hurt the team with BS.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 10:56 AM
I'm really happy for James Hudson to have the opportunity to develop under Callahan's coaching. The talent is there. Now he gets coached up by the best.

Go Toledo!, Go Browns!
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 11:06 AM
Sounds like Callahan is trying to pass the torch to his assistants. Good deal. The circle of life in full view.

I wonder who passed the torch to Callahan? That would be a good question for a reporter to ask.
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
The Ravens matchups are the ones I'm most looking forward to. BAL represents the bar CLE must clear before they can be considered top tier.

Out of obvious that the Browns have been tooled to play BAL straight-up. More speed on D (Lamar), and a pair of edge rushers who will give D coordinators nightmares.

Now, there's nothing left to it but to do it.


I agree to a point, Baltimore is a mind set for this team.

IMO we have them on talent alone, the problem in beating them lies in the belief we can do it.

Like we seemingly have put Pitt behind us I believe we will do the same with Baltimore. That doesn't make it so but man it sure is going to be very interesting to see how we handle Baltimore this year with back to back games coming late in the season.

Lamar IMO is a gifted runner what we need to do is make him be a QB which he truly isn't that good at. As much as the talking heads focus on Bake they never really talk much about Jackson the QB -vs- Jackson the runner.

I wouldn't give Jackson a big long term contract based on how he grades out as a QB. Once his ability to run begins to decline Baltimore will need to move on from him quickly but you can't if you offer him a long term deal. For that reason I hope they make the foolish mistake of offering him a long term deal thus handicapping their franchise for years to come much like they did with Flaco. I would franchise him in fact I may pay more in the short term but it would allow me to quickly move on from him. It's not like after Jackson can fall back on being just a QB, he is one good hit away from the scrap heap. Runners don't last long we all know that. Baltimore by their off season moves is going to try to make him a QB but it won't happen is my guess.

That said the Browns have improved their team speed to deal with Jackson but also KC as well. When teams have great speed at skill positions they present a challenge that isn't easy to compensate for. Jackson is in for a long day when he faces us.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 11:39 AM
I don't know about that. Jackson is pretty smart in the way he runs the ball.

The game is different. Years ago I recall people getting on Franco Harris for running out of bounds rather than lowering the shoulder and trying to gain that last yard or two.

Smart football in my opinion. People don't usually get hurt when running in the open, it happens trying for that last yard or two.

Jackson knows when to duck for cover.
Oh they all are until they aren't and get squared up and laid into real well.

His day will come like it always does.

He is a runner make him a QB and own him.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 12:04 PM
Call him a QB or call him a runner. Does it really make much difference as long as he's winning games? And that's really the only thing we have to deal with. Beating him. As long as they are winning the division I really don't care what you call him. His leading his team to wins. That's what we have to stop.
That was what I was talking about when I said make him be a QB.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 01:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
That was what I was talking about when I said make him be a QB.


I think your idea of being a QB isn't keeping up with the times to some degree.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 01:21 PM
If Malik Mcdowell, and Takk McKinley are both unavailable when needed, that is a Major Blow to the Browns Super Bowl Chances!
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 01:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Oh they all are until they aren't and get squared up and laid into real well.

His day will come like it always does.

He is a runner make him a QB and own him.
IMO, if this was the case we would've seen it already. Guys don't usually get 'less smart' in terms of protecting themselves when they're running the ball.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 01:43 PM
I think he was referring to Lamar's tendency to look very human when he has to play from behind, is contained in the pocket, and is forced to look outside the hashes to complete passes.
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
That was what I was talking about when I said make him be a QB.


I think your idea of being a QB isn't keeping up with the times to some degree.


Oh I get that Jackson has shown that a QB who can run is a different way to get the job done, what he hasn't shown and really the history of the position has shown is that running QB's can last long if they are runners.

I would rather have Tom Brady then Jackson or Payton or a bunch of other guys then I would ever want a player like Jackson. It's nice if you have a guy who can move well enough to get it done when everything else fails but if that is all they are leaning on you're banking he won't get hurt and I think that is a bad bet.

Everyone gets to see it how they want and time certainly will tell but I view Jackson as a outlander more then I do the new QB style. He won't last long by comparison to well anyone. And the history of the position and running QB's just don't hold up long enough to warrant the investment but that IMHO.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 02:23 PM
So you use the GOAT as your example? Not to mention running QB's started to come in to play well in to Bradys career.

If you look at the QB's entering the league the last 5-10 years, fewer and fewer are "statue" QB's.

In the end it's not a conversation worth carrying forward because there are different ways to play the position, so you can have the last word.

All's good.
Name a QB that has had a sustained measure of success, who was a runner in whatever era you want? They simply don't last. The argument that things have changed again is well silly outside of Jackson who is it that is lighting it up that is a runner?

Your being silly and worse I suspect you don't realize it!
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 03:30 PM
Not many qbs ran in the past. Greg Landry, but he was a journeyman unless you go back to single wing days, but that doesn't count because they didn't pass the ball much..

We will see how it goes.
Posted By: vadawgfan07 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 03:32 PM
I don't understand why the league feels the need to "emphasize" different rules every year. Why be strict on one rule one season and on something else each year? Why not just figure out how you want the game to be played and call the game consistently every season?
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 03:34 PM
Russell Wilson and Steve Young.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 03:44 PM
Originally Posted By: vadawgfan07
I don't understand why the league feels the need to "emphasize" different rules every year. Why be strict on one rule one season and on something else each year? Why not just figure out how you want the game to be played and call the game consistently every season?


I think that the rulebook could be significantly reduced without hurting the game. Eliminate motion penalties. Keep the off-sides rules, but make everything else legal. Make every one a legal receiver, and eliminate the rule that requires the Tackles to be covered up on the LOS. Allow holding. It is so inconsistently enforced now anyway. Take away the ability of officials to determine outcomes of games by their calls, or lack thereof.
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Name a QB that has had a sustained measure of success, who was a runner in whatever era you want? They simply don't last. The argument that things have changed again is well silly outside of Jackson who is it that is lighting it up that is a runner?


Some of these were great passers too:
Warren Moon
Randall Cunningham
Michael Vick
Steve Young
Bernie Kosar (I’m kidding)


But It’s hard to say pick an era, because the game has changed so much since the induction of football. The game was primary a ground attack back in the day.
One thing to take into account, the game in early 2000s and before, you could basically tee off on the QB. That’s counting in the pocket or even on a QB slide on a scramble. Big hits….heck even body slamming the QB at one point was considered the manly thing.

There are so many rules in place now to protect the QB from taking so many extra hits. This does extend the shelf-life of the QB.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:17 PM
One thing I think is important to add to your post. Once a QB tucks that ball away and starts to run, all those rules "protecting the QB" no longer exist. He is at that point considered a runner like everyone else who runs with the ball.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:22 PM
Honest question...

If a RB were to give himself up and slide like QBs do at the end of runs, would they be given the same protections as QBs? Generally, if a defender hits a QB that has started his slide it's a hefty penalty (15 yards?).
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:27 PM
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:31 PM
I understand your point about the slide, but on the run he's just like anyone else.
One thing I wanted to add. The game is really evolving now (I mean it has for the past so many years).

Why is that…because of:
1. College game changing how they use QBs
2. technology/analytics
3. Satellite camps/football training complexes
On number 3, kids at a young age can get one on one focused training through these places. So when we were kids our teaching might have only came from our hs coaches.

Heck, I just read an article on AJ Harris a top high school CB recruit. The kid trains at a sports complex in Columbus, GA with other top athletes. When he was 15 years old, in training classes he was guarding J.D. McKissic (NFL running back) and other top college players. Think about being 15 years old and guarding current college and NFL players during that same period of time.

My point being most of these QBs are getting one on one training before even college.

Think about all the athletic QBs now, Russsel, Patrick M, Kyler, and etc….and even the newly drafted group: Trevor, Trey, Fields
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
One thing I think is important to add to your post. Once a QB tucks that ball away and starts to run, all those rules "protecting the QB" no longer exist. He is at that point considered a runner like everyone else who runs with the ball.


Agreed. But you could get away with getting an extra hit the QB while he’s sliding. Nowadays, that flag comes out instantly for personal foul

Edit: my apologies for not being clear, that is what I meant about the scramble.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:38 PM
I'm really not trying to make a point. It really was an honest question. I don't know how the refs would treat a RB (other than laughing at him) if he did that.

Regardless, the original argument was about Lamar. My understanding of the earlier poster's point about 'making Lamar play QB' is that as invincible as Lamar can look at times, he can suddenly look very very mediocre when you force him to play a more in a more traditional QB role (contain the run game (the RBs and him), don't let him play with a lead, and don't give him easy throws over the middle).
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I'm really not trying to make a point. It really was an honest question. I don't know how the refs would treat a RB (other than laughing at him) if he did that.

Regardless, the original argument was about Lamar. My understanding of the earlier poster's point about 'making Lamar play QB' is that as invincible as Lamar can look at times, he can suddenly look very very mediocre when you force him to play a more in a more traditional QB role (contain the run game (the RBs and him), don't let him play with a lead, and don't give him easy throws over the middle).


He isn't even good when you do that to him he stinks. Once the wheels are gone Jackson will be gone too.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:45 PM
I just felt you actually did make a point considering the way I had worded my post. As to what you are addressing. I think if you place any QB in a role where he has to play late in a game from behind it forces him to make plays he doesn't want to, and otherwise wouldn't if the circumstances were different.

There are some, but very few that shine in the case of such adversity. But by and large it forces them into mistakes. I don't think this is a "Lamar specific" situation.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:56 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I just felt you actually did make a point ....


Well how 'bout that!? :: pats self on back ::


Obviously opposition wants to capitalize on weaknesses of opposing QBs, but Lamar is a something more, in this regard (IMO). It seems to be more of an ongoing limitation to his game vs just a weakness to try to pick at.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 05:58 PM

It is all about the odds. The more times you
carry the ball; the odds increase.

Ask Dak.

In the pocket the rules have been made to protect the quarterback.

Once they become a runner they become a target.

This is a big year for Lamar just like Baker. Lamar is a problem as a open field runner. Not so much as a pocket passer. The time comes when you have to bring a team back late. He has not done that in the playoffs.

They invested in receivers. They will try to be more balanced on offense.

In may or may not work.

If the Browns play their game they can beat any team in the NFL.
Originally Posted By: bonefish

It is all about the odds. The more times you
carry the ball; the odds increase.

Ask Dak.

In the pocket the rules have been made to protect the quarterback.

Once they become a runner they become a target.

This is a big year for Lamar just like Baker. Lamar is a problem as a open field runner. Not so much as a pocket passer. The time comes when you have to bring a team back late. He has not done that in the playoffs.

They invested in receivers. They will try to be more balanced on offense.

In may or may not work.

If the Browns play their game they can beat any team in the NFL.



I have seen enough of Lamar so I truly respect his ability to move the chains and run like his hair is on fire, but as a QB he truly does stink..

For the reason that he is a running QB I would NOT sign him to a long term contract I would franchise him when his current deal runs out at best his shelf life will have expired by then is my guess.

I am aware of their attempt to mold him into a QB, who knows but short of him making that huge leap no to a long term deal for me if I was the Ravens. Two things that don't last long, dogs that chase cars and QB's that run a lot.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/11/21 11:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Name a QB that has had a sustained measure of success, who was a runner in whatever era you want? They simply don't last.


Archie Manning and Fran Tarkenton ran for their lives, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/12/21 12:34 AM
Wyatt Teller: It’s impossible to pay everyone

Browns right guard understands the business side of the game as he enters what might be his final season in Cleveland.

By Thomas Moore

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2021/8/11/...to-pay-everyone


Cleveland Browns fans are going to learn a hard lesson about the NFL over the next 12 to 16 months.

Namely that if you want to pay elite players like quarterback Baker Mayfield, running back Nick Chubb, defensive end Myles Garrett and cornerback Denzel Ward, you may need to say goodbye to some other talented players.

Right guard Wyatt Teller is a perfect example of that hard truth.



Teller enters the 2021 season on the final year of his rookie contract. He is also coming off a season where he established himself as one of the league’s best run blockers and a key member of the league’s best offensive line.

The NFL has a real salary cap, despite what the “salary cap is a myth” folks will have you believe, so while general manager Andrew Berry is likely open to keeping the offensive line intact after this season, that simply may not be possible.

It is a reality that is not lost on Teller, who shared his understanding of the business side of the league during a media appearance on Wednesday before practice (quotes via The Beacon Journal):

“We have such a good team, all the money can’t go around. It’s just impossible. I want to make the most that I can. We make this money for a short amount of time and 80% of the league is bankrupt after five years. So do it smart, get what you deserve, get what you earn and the rest can go down as history.

“The better I do, the better the guys around me do, the better the team does. The better the team does, we all get paid. It’s not a bad problem to have for AB, having to deal with all this money.”

If Teller can prove that last season was not a fluke, he could be in line for a contract that averages around $13 million (or more) a year, which would put him in the top five among the league’s right guards. That might be reasonable, but with the Browns already paying right tackle Jack Conklin, center J.C. Tretter and left guard Joel Bitonio, someone has to be on the outside looking in on the offensive line.

There is still an entire season to be played, of course, and the it benefits both Teller and the Browns for him to do everything he can to repeat his performance from 2020, which is something that offensive line coach Bill Callahan is working on, according to a team-provided transcript:

“Just working him a little bit quicker, trying to improve his change of direction and those nuances that come back from last year that we are trying to get better and improve upon. The big thing for Wyatt is just refining, working hard and striving to groove his technique. If we can groove it a little bit better than it was a year ago, we will be that much better collectively as a line. All of those aspects of line play come into it when we are trying to take each individual player and really focus on their development and their improvable areas. If we can keep rolling in that regard and keep making them adjust, work and try to find different ways and means of techniques and different aspects to take control of a defender, that has really been a true focus for him.”

An extension for Teller is a reality right up until the moment it is not, but there is a real possibility this might be his last season in Cleveland.

If all goes well, he will make that decision as hard as possible for Berry.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/12/21 01:18 AM
Notes: Grant Delpit limited to 9 team reps in 2 weeks, missing valuable time in comeback

https://www.brownszone.com/2021/08/11/no...me-in-comeback/


BEREA — The Browns have practiced 12 times in training camp. Safety Grant Delpit has taken nine repetitions in team drills, according to defensive backs coach/pass game coordinator Jeff Howard.

That’s not the ratio Delpit was looking for in his return from a ruptured Achilles tendon that cost him all of his rookie season a year ago.

Delpit was being eased back into action at the start of camp before a hamstring injury last week. He hasn’t practiced since Aug. 2 and won’t play Saturday in the preseason opener at Jacksonville.

“He is working hard to get back out there,” coach Kevin Stefanski said Wednesday. “You can’t rush that process. When he is ready, he will be out there.

“Reps are a premium. We all know that. We talk about it all the time. There is no substitute for those reps, so when he is ready he is going to get a bunch of them. It is what you do with those reps that matters.”

Delpit was expected to compete with Ronnie Harrison Jr. to be the starter alongside John Johnson III, but the lack of NFL experience has put him way behind. Delpit, the No. 44 pick out of LSU, only made it through the start of camp last year before being injured Aug. 24.

“Kind of focused on the day-to-day,” Howard said. “We will see what he is when he gets back. We talk about in our room that who we are as football players is what we put on tape. We are going to make assessments off of that, not any sort of projections.”

Delpit has had to deal with the latest setback just as he was about to realize his goal of returning to full strength.

“It’s frustrating, competitors want to compete, that’s what they do,” Howard said. “But I think he’s done a good job of staying in the present, staying with what he can control and trying to make the most of it. And that’s what’s been my message to him.”

Harrison has also been out with a hamstring injury, leaving the coaches without two-thirds of the three-safety package envisioned when Johnson signed in March.

“We want those guys to be there, and since they are not, we are trying to make the most of those situations,” Howard said. “They are involved with every meeting, and then during walkthroughs we are trying to get them as many reps as possible so that they can see as much as we can close to those game-like situations.

“Walkthroughs, meetings, quizzes afterwards and spending extra time on that information so that really when their bodies are able that they can come out and play.”

Wyatt Teller braces for business side of NFL taking him away from Cleveland after season

INJURY REPORT

Cornerback Denzel Ward missed his fourth straight practice with what the Browns are calling soreness.

“Not trying to be mysterious,” Stefanski said. “He is working through some soreness, but he is doing a nice job. He is close.”

** Defensive ends Myles Garrett (hamstring) and Jadeveon Clowney (rest), receivers Anthony Schwartz (hamstring) and Alexander Hollins (hamstring), defensive tackle Malik McDowell (rib) and linebacker Montrel Meander (hamstring) joined Ward, Delpit and Harrison working on the side.

** Tight end David Njoku (shoulder), defensive tackle Marvin Wilson (heat) and guard Blake Hance (ankle) returned to practice after missing all or some of Tuesday’s session. Njoku was limited to individual drills.

** Middle linebacker Anthony Walker Jr. (knee) quickly returned to team drills. He missed a week of practice before being limited to individual drills Tuesday, then took his turn in 11-on-11s Wednesday.

** Defensive end Takkarist McKinley (personal), safety Sheldrick Redwine (ankle) and linebacker Tony Fields II (foot) remained out.

Training Camp Log, Day 12: Baker Mayfield won’t play in preseason opener vs. Jaguars

OUTSIDE-IN

Rookie James Hudson III, a fourth-round pick out of the University of Cincinnati, has spent all his practice time at tackle, working primarily as the second-team left tackle. The plan is to eventually get him snaps at guard.

“We are cross-training everybody right now — not to the extent that we want to at this point, but that will come in time,” line coach Bill Callahan said. “I feel confident that we want to train him as a tackle right now.

“A lot of our techniques are interchangeable so the play-side guard can do the play-side tackle or the tackle can do the guard and vice versa. Whether you are on the front side or the back side of the zone game, the footwork, the strikes and the landmarks are all the same, so when you do have to change a player, it should be relatively seamless. That is kind of the beauty of the wide zone system.”

Mailbag: How big a concern is continued missed practice time? Has Mack Wilson improved enough to make roster?

FIGHTING INEQUALITY

Garrett found another way to help the community, teaming with Columbus-based nonprofit SafetyNest.

The organization works to reduce financial inequality by eliminating uninsurance. Garrett’s partnership will include advocacy, ticket giveaways and coat drives in low-income communities, which are most affected by the problem.

EXTRA POINTS

Practice was moved inside the field house due to inclement weather, forcing nearly 90 players to share the 60-yard field. Stefanski made the best of it and was glad the session included a lot of red zone and goal line competition that didn’t require a lot of space.

“We will definitely get our work done,” he said.

** M.J. Stewart Jr., who played nickelback last year, is working some at safety.

** Cornerback Robert Jackson got time with the starters.

** Baker Mayfield zipped a touchdown to receiver Jarvis Landry over the middle.

** Johnson broke up a pass in the end zone for tight end Harrison Bryant.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/12/21 02:49 AM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/12/21 10:31 AM
Maybe AB and Fabiano were both members of the Porcellian Club, Harvards secret society.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/12/21 03:41 PM
I hope focus on discussions of players contracts doesn't get in the way of enjoyment of the 2021 season.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/13/21 03:10 PM
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Name a QB that has had a sustained measure of success, who was a runner in whatever era you want? They simply don't last.


Archie Manning and Fran Tarkenton ran for their lives, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.


Can you imagine if Lamar Jackson won the rushing title this year. I could see some games he could possibly get 230 yards on the ground.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/22/21 11:25 PM
Cleveland Browns RB/WR Demetric Felton will only confess to needing more work

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/spor...ski/8234343002/

CLEVELAND – Rookie Demetric Felton still couldn’t (wouldn’t?) answer the question.

Does he prefer running back or wide receiver? He received a workout in the latter in last week’s preseason game against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

This week he produced a few “dirty runs,” coach Kevin Stefanski said.

The sixth-round draft pick out of UCLA ran hard and dirty in his first extensive action of the preseason at the position. He rushed for 25 yards on eight carries against the New York Giants on Sunday in a 17-13 Browns win.

“I really have no preference,” he said when asked if he could now choose between the two positions. “I think I had an OK day, just looking forward to getting back to practice.”

As for the runs in particular, especially on the inside, he offered a realistic assessment.

“I feel like there’s room for improvement,” he said.

Stefanski, who confessed to not having the best vantage point, said: “He had some good dirty runs, he bounced a few. He made some plays in the pass game, so he did a nice job.”

Even with the hype surrounding his ability to play two skill positions, Felton also has the ability to return kicks and punts and received the chance Sunday. He returned three punts for 21 yards. For older Browns fans, comparisons to running back Greg Pruitt, who was used in all three roles during his time here in the ‘70s, may be apropos.

“I definitely am trying to do my best when I’m out there,” he said of returning kicks, “and I’m looking to fill that role definitely, so each time I get an opportunity, I try to make the best of it.”

John Johnson sees the possibilities
Safety John Johnson III didn't play Sunday against the Giants, but he appreciated the benefit of getting in work with them in their joint practice sessions earlier in the week, he said during an in-game interview on WEWS (Channel 5) intimated it might be the only action many of the starters get.

“That is the closest thing you are going to get in preseason. We can’t tackle to the ground so that was the one aspect that was missing,” Johnson said. “Just seeing another jersey color, seeing different body types and different route running and different concepts, it was great. I like those joint practices because you get to compete against somebody that isn’t your own.”

He also had a message for fans that will show up in person at FirstEnergy Stadium this season.

“We are going to make this place rocking, and we are going to have a lot of fun with it,” he said.

A word from the co-owner
Browns owner Dee Haslam continues to praise the culture created by coach Kevin Stefanski, Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta and General Manager Andrew Berry.

“Those men are the epitome of that, and we strive for that throughout the organization. I could not be prouder of the efforts that they are doing and what they continue to do. It is a very smart group,” she said during an interview with WEWS (Channel 5) on their pre-game show. “They are good guys, and we have a lot of smart players. They do a great job working together, and anything you do, you must work together. We are really excited that they are able to do that and make it work throughout the organization.”

She also took the opportunity to talk up the team’s community based initiatives, including the Browns Stay in the Game, which works in the area to prevent excessive school absenteeism and the team’s volunteerism efforts.

Alex Van Pelt impressed
The first team offense – or the at least the one that started the game given a number of starters were held out of the game – gave offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt a reason to smile.

“I thought that first group that started out played well,” he said during an in-game interview. “They put the ball in the end zone on the first drive. We drove down and had an interception [by quarterback Case Keenum] in the red zone – we have to eliminate those – but those guys were playing well early.”

He had goals for the second half.

“Second half, we really want to see clean football and clean operation,” he said. “We want to make sure we are staying onside, no balls on the ground and just clean operation in the second half.”

He received it on the team’s second possession of the second half when the Browns drove four plays and 56 yards in 2:13 to score and take a 14-7 lead with 9:52 in the half.

JoJo Natson’s day
Prior to going down with an injury in the third game of last season, the Browns were working on incorporating wide receiver-kick returner JoJo Natson into the offense more.

The injury to his ACL came just when that appeared to be happening. A look at what Natson and his speed can do came in the first quarter against the New York Giants Sunday on the Browns opening drive. On a first–and-10 from their own 48, Natson took a handoff on an end round to the right side of the Browns offensive line and raced 12 yards for another first down, continuing a drive that ended with a 7-yard touchdown pass from Keenum, who started the game, to wide receiver KhaDarel Hodge.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/22/21 11:31 PM
Notes: Troy Hill plays vs. Giants as punishment for fighting in practice

https://www.brownszone.com/2021/08/22/no...ng-in-practice/

CLEVELAND — Coach Kevin Stefanski spent last week stressing to his players that fighting the Giants during the joint practices wouldn’t be tolerated.

Nickelback Troy Hill paid the price for disobeying.

Hill played in the slot for the first three defensive possessions Sunday in a 17-13 preseason win over the Giants at FirstEnergy Stadium. Hill sat out the opener against the Jaguars as the starters and key veterans rested, and Stefanski played basically the same lineup against the Giants,.

As players mingled after a heated practice Friday in the second of the joint sessions, Hill and Giants receiver Sterling Shepard squared off and threw wild punches at each other. None connected before they were separated.

Stefanski was unaware of the dustup when he met with reporters Friday and said he’d review the tape.

He didn’t like what he saw.

“All of those things, I will keep between Troy and myself and keep that internal,” Stefanski said Sunday when asked if the playing time was punishment. The non-answer served as confirmation.

Left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr. said Stefanski repeated the no-fighting message “about five times” between Wednesday night and Thursday morning. Quarterback Baker Mayfield revealed Stefanski’s crime-and-punishment policy Friday in a joking response about not playing in the first two preseason games.

“Coach said if I start a fight at practice, I have to play,” Mayfield said. “So me and Saquon (Barkley, Giants running back) might swing today.”

Hill, who turns 30 next Sunday, signed in March as a free agent from the Rams.

Browns 17, Giants 13: KhaDarel Hodge catches TD, Greg Newsome II moves closer to starting spot

BUM LEG

Incumbent kicker Cody Parkey was already in a fight to keep his job, then injured a quadriceps against the Giants and didn’t finish the game. He had made his only kick, an extra point.

Chase McLaughlin, who’s been pressing Parkey throughout training camp, made an extra point and a 49-yard field goal into the Dawg Pound.

Stefanski said he didn’t know when the injury occurred or its severity.

INJURY REPORT

Cornerback Greedy Williams left during the second series with a strained groin. The Browns announced him as questionable to return, but he stayed on the sideline the rest of the afternoon.

** Backup center Nick Harris didn’t play after suffering a knee injury Friday, but Stefanski called him “day-to-day.”

Guard Blake Hance started in his place, as the first-team line got the day off.

** Linebacker Montrel Meander was carted off the field with an Achilles injury. He was cut during camp then re-signed Friday after injuries at the position.

** Linebackers Jacob Phillips (biceps), Sione Takitaki (hamstring) and rookie Tony Fields II (foot), defensive end Porter Gustin (knee), safeties Grant Delpit (hamstring) and Sheldrick Redwine (ankle), cornerback M.J. Stewart Jr. (hamstring), receivers rookie Anthony Schwartz (hamstring), Ja’Marcus Bradley (neck) and Alexander Hollins (hamstring) and guard Michael Dunn (back) didn’t dress.

TIME AT TIGHT END

Johnny Stanton IV is the No. 2 fullback behind Andy Janovich but has been getting time at tight end. He could serve as a hybrid fullback/fourth tight end after a season-ending injury to No. 4 tight end Stephen Carlson.

“Certainly the more you can do it helps your value,” Stefanski said.

Stefanski noted Stanton was needed at tight end with Austin Hooper, David Njoku and Harrison Bryant not playing. Connor Davis and Jordan Franks were the only other tight ends.

“I am willing to do whatever it takes to make this team,” Stanton said. “For them to be able to get me the ball on a couple of plays I have at tight end gets me excited.”

Stanton caught two passes for 33 yards.

INTO THE BACKFIELD

Rookie Demetric Felton got a turn at running back after playing receiver vs. the Jaguars. He rushed eight times for 25 yards, a 3.1 average, and caught a pass for 12 yards. He was open deep on a go route after splitting out wide, but quarterback Case Keenum overthrew him.

“He had some good dirty runs,” Stefanski said. “He bounced a few and made some plays in the passing game, so he did a nice job.”

Felton also returned three punts for 21 yards with a long of 10 after he broke a couple of tackles.

“I had an OK day,” he said. “Just looking forward to getting back at practice and working hard.”

EXTRA POINTS

Defensive tackle Malik McDowell made a push for a roster spot with five tackles, a sack and another quarterback hit. He’s never played in the NFL after being drafted in the second round in 2017 but getting sidetracked by injuries and off-the-field trouble.

“That is the first time playing ball for him in a long time,” Stefanski said. “He did a nice job.”

** The roster must be cut from 85 to 80 by 4 p.m. Tuesday. Cuts to 53 are due Aug. 31 by 4 p.m.

** Browns held a moment of silence for legendary tackle Dick Schafrath, who died last Sunday.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 12:10 AM
So now it is an embarrassment to play a damn starter or 2nd stringer in a pre season game?

Red flags!

Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 12:16 AM
IU think that they have a ton of guys they want to evaluate in real game situations, so that's why they are playing so few starters. Even 1 extra series can be an opportunity to evaluate different guys.

They have a ton of difficult decisions to make, and they want to get all of the real game data they can get.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 12:20 AM
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg

** The roster must be cut from 85 to 80 by 4 p.m. Tuesday. Cuts to 53 are due Aug. 31 by 4 p.m.



There are going to be some good players let go in order to get down to 53. We might cut 2 or 3 WR's that could sign and be on someone else's 53 man roster. Back up TE's looked decent today too.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 02:05 AM
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
So now it is an embarrassment to play a damn starter or 2nd stringer in a pre season game?

Red flags!



I'm actually kinda with you on this one. Hue got blasted for basically doing the same thing to Calloway.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 02:13 AM
It would be awesome if Berry can get a few draft picks out of the guys we would have to straight cut otherwise. fingerscrossed
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 04:17 AM
It is that hard to find a healthy cornerback.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 09:36 AM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg

** The roster must be cut from 85 to 80 by 4 p.m. Tuesday. Cuts to 53 are due Aug. 31 by 4 p.m.



There are going to be some good players let go in order to get down to 53. We might cut 2 or 3 WR's that could sign and be on someone else's 53 man roster. Back up TE's looked decent today too.


I have been saying that for a while. We need to prepare for at least 1, possibly 2 "surprise" cuts. Maybe a trade.

This week would be the ideal time to make a trade, allowing the players and teams in question several weeks before the season starts. By now the teams have at least a pretty good idea who is going to be the top 45 or so players who are going to make the team. The others are the tough roster decisions.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 03:26 PM

Final cuts will be brutal. I don't envy Berry or Kevin.

I listen to all the interviews of players and coaches.

I love this damn team. Every person to the final roster spot are good players.

The other thing is when you listen to them. The whole "smart, tough, accountable" is for real.
Every player is about getting better to help the team.

We have great leaders on the team. Start with Baker. Jarvis, Chubb, Walker, JJ3, Myles, JC.

Players helping players.

Guys like Clowney and Hunt guys who work hard and enjoy playing.

The playing personality of this team is excellent.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 03:36 PM
But it's definitely a nice problem to have.

To have to be figuring out which good players you have to cut, versus which below average you have to keep to fill a position.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 04:49 PM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg

** The roster must be cut from 85 to 80 by 4 p.m. Tuesday. Cuts to 53 are due Aug. 31 by 4 p.m.



There are going to be some good players let go in order to get down to 53. We might cut 2 or 3 WR's that could sign and be on someone else's 53 man roster. Back up TE's looked decent today too.


That cut to 53 is going to be brutal. There are probably going to be a couple surprises

We were watching Connor Davis-he was down on the field in front of us during warmups. Dude is 6'8" and 276 pound TE
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 06:35 PM
Since it is the Browns is there really a such thing as a surprise cut.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:06 PM
j/c...

Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:12 PM
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
j/c...



My understanding is that if you are put on IR before making the 53 man roster, you are gone for the year.. Do I have that right?
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:29 PM
Posted By: tru_dawgs Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:31 PM
Originally Posted By: Pdawg


Thanks for the good info P
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:31 PM
McLaughlin or BUST
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
j/c...



My understanding is that if you are put on IR before making the 53 man roster, you are gone for the year.. Do I have that right?


That's what I thought ..... but someone in the media mentioned something different ..... but then I looked and found this:

NFL permitting unlimited players to return from injured reserve for 2021 season
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-permitting-...for-2021-season

A popular amendment to roster rules is back for another year.
In a Tuesday memo, the NFL notified all teams that they are permitted to have unlimited players return from the injured reserve list for the 2021 season after missing three games, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported. Only players on the 53-man roster after Sept. 1 are eligible to be designated for return from IR or the non-football injury list, Pelissero added.
These modifications were first put into effect before the 2020 season to offer more roster flexibility amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Previously, just two players per team were allowed to return to action after being placed on IR, and only after they'd missed eight games.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 07:36 PM
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 09:02 PM

I don't have data but I am sure the league does.

Achillies tendon is a big tendon. It does a lot of work.
It is not easy to rupture.

Torque is required. This injury seems to be happening more often. On artificial turf you have these players who are buffed up to the max. The turf has traction like velcro.
A foot is planted and another monster flying around slams into you. Something has to give.

As much as the NFL has changed rules to protect players. And modified equipment to provide the best protection.

Why have they not standardized the playing surface?

I am sure with all the science now in the game. There has to be a "best surface."

There are way to many injuries from the knee down?

"One study showed playing on synthetic turf in the NFL resulted in a 16% increase in lower body injuries compared to the same injuries on natural grass. These results were from the 2012-2016 seasons, during which all injuries in the lower extremities (foot, knee and ankle). The study concluded synthetic turf does have an impact on injuries to lower body parts in NFL players."

The league is wealthy. They can afford the best.

What gives?

Posted By: jfanent Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 09:11 PM
I'm not sure how you can improve much the newer synthetic turfs that most are using these days. If you walk on it, it's like a soft, short cut grass. An interesting side note, the guy down the street from me actually owns a company that installs the turf for HS and college fields. He actually did the Cincinatti Bengals field. What's really cool is that he got the old Bengal field and put it up behind his place of business and hosts youth football leagues. You can see it from Route 2 heading west into Oregon on the overpass.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/23/21 09:21 PM
Glad our starters didn't get hurt...
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 01:03 AM
This info is from when I was back in HS, so I would hope there's something better now. But they have improved turf in that they have softer 'blades' of grass and add these tiny rubber pellets across the playing surface. These pellets add some 'give' to the turf to help prevent these devastating injuries.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 01:09 AM
I've done softball games on newer turf fields. You are correct.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 01:37 AM
They definitely feel nice. The only annoying part is that those pellets tend to stick to you. Way better than the alternative, though... I played lacrosse against St. Ignatius when they had a super old school turf field and that was BRUTAL.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 02:03 AM
I was on the field at the U of Michigan......back in 91 or 92. My thoughts were "no way I would want to play on this."

But the new stuff? Not bad. Even umping I get the rubber pellets in my shoes. But it amazes me how, on the field, those go back down.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 10:54 AM
Not every stadium can grow a nice field of grass. If it becomes a muddy mess or frozen, that is a injury risk as well.

Until all stadiums have a retractable roof, you are going to have divergent playing surfaces.
Posted By: Southwestdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
McLaughlin or BUST

Which kicker was the better?
I didn't get a chance to see much of the preseason games, Saturday's are busy around here for me so really don't know if this is a drop off in talent or not.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:13 PM
Quote:
Not every stadium can grow a nice field of grass. If it becomes a muddy mess or frozen, that is a injury risk as well.


Not sure, but it may also be more cost effective to go this route as well.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:18 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Quote:
Not every stadium can grow a nice field of grass. If it becomes a muddy mess or frozen, that is a injury risk as well.


Not sure, but it may also be more cost effective to go this route as well.



It would be better for fans and players, I am sure of that.
Posted By: hitt Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:29 PM
Parkey had the weaker leg, yet he made lot of kicks last year. Time will tell who our kicker is. Interaction between holder and kicker would seem McLaughlin has a leg up....Go Browns!!!
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:40 PM
Originally Posted By: hitt
Parkey had the weaker leg, yet he made lot of kicks last year. Time will tell who our kicker is. Interaction between holder and kicker would seem McLaughlin has a leg up....Go Browns!!!


He as been kicking well. I am not all that worried bout it because had he not, we would have already brought in someone else.

People wanted to replace Parkey. Now they aren't sure.

Poor kickers. Nobody like them until they have been on the team 4-5 years.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Southwestdawg
Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
McLaughlin or BUST

Which kicker was the better?
I didn't get a chance to see much of the preseason games, Saturday's are busy around here for me so really don't know if this is a drop off in talent or not.


Seems like they were pretty equal this pre season.. Parkey was the weaker leg on long kicks.. But last year he handled pressure pretty well.. It remains to be seen if McLaughlin can handle game time pressure...
Posted By: Jester Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 12:59 PM
Parkey isn't a poor kicker. He is just average though. I would love to have a top tier K.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 03:24 PM
Originally Posted By: Jester
Parkey isn't a poor kicker. He is just average though. I would love to have a top tier K.


So would everybody. Parkeys leg might get stronger like Dawsons did.

That said, if McGlaughlin kicks well, we won't go back to Parkey.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 03:30 PM
A bad kicker can really kill a team, so there's some value in 'only' having an average kicker.

But that shouldn't hold us back from pursuing a great kicker (obvious, I know...). Who wouldn't want somebody like the dude the Ravens have?
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 04:13 PM
As long as he quits the local chicken commercials I'd take Tucker. tongue
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 05:02 PM
Posted By: FATE Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 05:08 PM
Rule #1. Don't drop the bar on your forehead!
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 07:20 PM
Too bad Phil Dawson was born a generation too early, eh?

I think about him kicking for this particular team, and my head swims.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 07:42 PM
Parkey hurt a quad, and was moved to IR about 4 days ago, and being on IR and not using one of the 80 roster spots, he's out for the year, in Browns consideration, unless:
Unless he rejoins the Browns roster before they cut to their initial 53,
OR: He clears waivers before returning from IR.

Do I understand that wrong? ^
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/24/21 08:43 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Parkey hurt a quad, and was moved to IR about 4 days ago, and being on IR and not using one of the 80 roster spots, he's out for the year, in Browns consideration, unless:
Unless he rejoins the Browns roster before they cut to their initial 53,
OR: He clears waivers before returning from IR.

Do I understand that wrong? ^


We released Parody today so when he is healthy he is free to sign wherever he wants, including us.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 01:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Pdawg
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Parkey hurt a quad, and was moved to IR about 4 days ago, and being on IR and not using one of the 80 roster spots, he's out for the year, in Browns consideration, unless:
Unless he rejoins the Browns roster before they cut to their initial 53,
OR: He clears waivers before returning from IR.

Do I understand that wrong? ^


We released Parody today so when he is healthy he is free to sign wherever he wants, including us.


Not sure about that..

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/24/browns-release-cody-parkey-from-injured-reserve/

PFT is saying:

The Browns have released Cody Parkey from injured reserve. That will allow him to kick for another team once his quadriceps is healed.

Parkey was injured in Sunday’s exhibition game against the Giants and landed on injured reserve Tuesday before receiving his release. He cannot return to the Browns this season.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 01:33 AM
Thanks for the correction. I was going off of what Bull said on the radio.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 01:38 AM
Not meaning to correct.. I'm not sure what IS correct..

Whats the rule here?

First put on IR
2nd, Released from IR..

I'm thinking the date he was put on IR then released means he cannot return to CLE?
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 10:02 AM
I admit to being confused by the whole process, so with that confession out of the way... If what you report, (not saying you are verifying its accuracy) is true then it's odd to me that if he recovers before the end of the season anyone can sign him EXCEPT the Browns. Based on him being released and becoming a free agent.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 10:27 AM
JC

Time to forget Parkey. I am one who stuck up for the guy to some degree. I wasn't one who thought the guy sucked like many seemingly felt.

It's not he was a pro bowl kicker. McGlaughlin is our guy.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 01:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Name a QB that has had a sustained measure of success, who was a runner in whatever era you want? They simply don't last.


Archie Manning and Fran Tarkenton ran for their lives, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.
_________________________



Lol. Yeah they did. Steve Young was a great running quarterback back and so was Elway. He could be looking for them.
Posted By: vadawgfan07 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 01:11 PM
Michael Vick
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 02:50 PM
Browns Sign LB Tegray Scales
Wednesday, the Cleveland Browns announced the signing of free agent linebacker Tegray Scales, which brings their roster back to 80.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-sign-tegray-scales


The Cleveland Browns announced the signing of free agent linebacker Tegray Scales on Wednesday, taking the roster spot from corner Robert Jackson, who was waived on Tuesday. The team also announced the release of kicker Cody Parkey from injured reserve.

Scales was an incredibly productive linebacker for the Indiana Hoosiers in college, coming out after the 2018 season. He appeared in four games with the Pittsburgh Steelers during the 2020 season.

Scales is a hair over 6' and around the 230 pound mark. The Browns need another linebacker just to get through their final preseason game and practices this week.

Montrel Meander suffered a ruptured Achilles' against the New York Giants, which landed him on injured reserve. Jacob Phillips tore a bicep in joint practices. He seemingly will be out for the year but has not yet been designated as such. Rookie fifth round pick Tony Fields is still dealing with a foot injury and Sione Takitaki is recovering from an elbow injury.

The Browns also still have Willie Harvey, Mack Wilson, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah and Elijah Lee.

The Browns have been extremely conservative in terms of playing entrenched starters in the preseason and their approach against the Atlanta Falcons is unlikely to change. They might play even fewer players at this point as they start to prepare for the Kansas City Chiefs in week one of the season.

Scales could effectively be auditioning for the Browns practice squad after roster cut downs next week.

Cody Parkey suffered a quad injury against the Giants. The team initially placed him on injured reserve. It would seem that Parkey and his agent feel he will be healthy enough to play this season, so they negotiated his release from injured reserve.

The Browns still have Chase McLaughlin and with the roster now at 80, he is their lone kicker and appears to be preparing to be the team's kicker this year.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 03:11 PM
j/c:

Browns wide receiver Davion Davis suspended for the first two games of 2021 season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brown...of-2021-season/
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 08:36 PM
That's too bad. He was having a strong TC.

In other news...
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 08:50 PM
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 10:57 PM
I saw the 1999 Browns games, the Browns with Head Coach Chris Palmer
Pressured the quarterbacks of other teams with blitzes that came from everywhere,
Corners
Safeties
Linebackers, everybody

MORE, than any year since.

I think the Browns have more talent this year than any defense in the past,
Wouldn't it be Something, to see what Chris Palmer could do with it.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 11:15 PM
If The Seahawks waived Pierre Desir Cornerback.

He's got to better than Greedy Williams or AJ Green as Cornerback #4.

The Browns should put in a waiver claim or get on the phone, there are better cornerbacks out there!
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/25/21 11:17 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
I saw the 1999 Browns games, the Browns with Head Coach Chris Palmer
Pressured the quarterbacks of other teams with blitzes that came from everywhere,
Corners
Safeties
Linebackers, everybody

MORE, than any year since.

I think the Browns have more talent this year than any defense in the past,
Wouldn't it be Something, to see what Chris Palmer could do with it.


What was Chris Palmers record? No,,
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 12:15 AM
2 Games better than Hue Jackson had in Jacksons' 2nd year as Browns coach.

at 2-14 the 1999 Browns had equaled the worst record in franchise history, iirc. but it took a few years before another would come along and break the franchises' worst record, and then break it again.

In Palmers 2nd year, 2000 the team went 3-13 iirc.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 12:22 AM
What's a Kyle Markway???
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 07:18 PM
As Odell Beckham Jr. ramps up practice work, Alex Van Pelt stresses importance of side reps with Baker Mayfield

https://www.brownszone.com/2021/08/26/as...baker-mayfield/


BEREA — Odell Beckham Jr. arrived at training camp in phenomenal shape, looking fit, fast and explosive less than 10 months after surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament.

After nearly a month of individual drills and work on the side with quarterback Baker Mayfield, the superstar receiver took his first seven-on-seven repetitions Wednesday, catching a pass from Baker Mayfield.

He added five seven-on-seven reps Thursday, catching a short out against rookie cornerback Greg Newsome II, and added five 11-on-11 reps. The ball didn’t come to him but he ran a go route to clear out the zone and blocked run the run.

All with the goal of being ready Week 1 in Kansas City on Sept. 12.

The coaches refuse to get ahead of themselves and go there. At least publicly.

Offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt on Thursday followed coach Kevin Stefanski’s lead.

“I hope so. We’re all hoping for that,” Van Pelt said before practice. “I’m not sure where that’s going right now, but he looks really good, he’s running well, he’s coming in and out of his breaks, he’s cutting well. Hopefully we can get him up there for the opener.”

Beckham hasn’t talked to the media since training camp started July 28. But he told reporters July 25 at his youth football camp he wouldn’t push his return.

“Whenever the team, the docs, my team, everything gets cleared, we’ll be ready to go,” he said. “So whenever that is, Week 1, Week 17, I don’t know. Whenever we’re ready we’ll be ready.”

He sure looks ready, and there have been encouraging signs the last three days. He jumped into a team drill for the final rep — a running play — on Tuesday, did a couple of reps in seven-on-sevens Wednesday and continued the progression Thursday.

Until this week, Beckham’s practice work had been limited to receiver drills, throwing with Mayfield during special teams and extra running and agility work.

“That’s huge,” Van Pelt said of the throwing with Mayfield. “The biggest thing is just consistency. Consistency in route depth, consistency in route-running techniques. Once the quarterback has that vision of what that looks like, then he can play faster and anticipate getting the ball out quicker because he knows exactly what’s going to happen.

“Obviously it ramps up when you’re in a team setting, but you’ve put all those reps in, at practice that muscle memory takes over and hopefully you come out on the same page.”



The coaches scripted a series of plays for Mayfield and Beckham to run through during special teams drills. That helps Beckham’s conditioning and the timing the duo worked on during offseason workouts in Texas.

After practice Thursday, Beckham broke down the day with receivers coach/pass game coordinator Chad O’Shea and Mayfield.

“They’re in a really good place right now as far as their mind space, all the work they did in the offseason, spending time together, just continuing to build that bond,” Van Pelt said of Mayfield and Beckham. “And hopefully that will show this year on the field.”



He’s been most impressed with how Beckham has worked “his butt off.”

“Always his work ethic, his ability to go out and just do anything you ask him to do,” Van Pelt said. “We stressed him on it last week with some of those series drives and he responds. The guy will just do anything you ask for him and he wants to be great and he works at it. All those guys that are great players, they all have that work ethic and he does.”
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 09:38 PM
j/c...
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 10:54 PM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 11:27 PM
I wouldn't be in a hurry to extend Ward.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/26/21 11:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I wouldn't be in a hurry to extend Ward.


Quality guy, quality player,, but damn, he can't stay healthy. Take the health issue out of the equation and he's a must sign
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 12:52 AM
nfl news

NFL Forces Patriots and Rams to revise the terms of the Sony Michel Trade because it violates league rules.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-f...-had-to-change/

What they did wrong?
The Trade included a 4th round supplemental pick being traded on the condition of if the Rams were awarded one.

The illegal to rules was putting conditons on a trade involving a supplemental pick.

The solution was the Pats and Rams agreed the Rams would get the Rams actual 4th round pick.
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG

The solution was the Pats and Rams agreed the Rams would get the Rams actual 4th round pick.


We talk about our GM being smart. The Rams talked the Pats into a Bugs Bunny - Daffy Duck: Duck season/Rabbit season conversation by having the Rams trade a 4th to the Rams. tongue
Posted By: lampdogg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 04:37 AM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I wouldn't be in a hurry to extend Ward.


Agree. I’d let the season play out, see where we’re at with our CBs six months from now.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 10:16 AM
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I wouldn't be in a hurry to extend Ward.


Agree. I’d let the season play out, see where we’re at with our CBs six months from now.
my thoughts as well
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I wouldn't be in a hurry to extend Ward.


Quality guy, quality player,, but damn, he can't stay healthy. Take the health issue out of the equation and he's a must sign


I understand this position on Ward. But if I'm writing checks, I sign him. I might want to structure the deal to contain some incentives for availability but that is the extent I go to address that issue.

He is clearly our best cover corner. And his coverage ability is among the best in the league. All of the outside corners who we'll be relying on have some injury history, including the rookie. If the team were not to retain him what would be the alternative? You are not going to low-ball him because 1, his injuries have been sustained in the course of giving pro-bowl level effort 2, it reflects badly on the organization to under pay one of its best players and that has implications for team culture and free agent perceptions.

Wasn't Chubb injured and out for multiple games in two differernt seasons? I think. What's the difference?
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 11:44 AM

Berry and staff know the value of the cornerback position. They have brought in a bunch of players. Joe Woods came from that position group.

Newsome has already been impressive. Greedy is making strides. They brought in Hill. Green has played well. Brian Allen and MJ Stewart have contributed.

Ward is an excellent corner. I am sure the Browns are prepared to make him a good offer. Will it be the most he can get? Maybe not.

If he stays? Great. If he leaves for a bigger deal. Berry will adjust.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 12:10 PM
Berry is writing the MODERN book on talent acquisition IMHO.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 12:12 PM
I think the key here is actually Greedy. Newsome seems to be coming along really well. He'll take his lumps this year like every rookie DB does, but early indicators are that he's the real deal. There still seems to be a fog of uncertainty around Greedy. If he can finally emerge out of the shadow of last season, then we have 2 standout CBs before we consider Ward.

edit: Plus Hill
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 12:43 PM

Greedy has the legs and feet.

That was not damaged and that is the meat of the corner position.

Greedy is a worker.

So, I am not worried about corner. Berry will make good decisions.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 01:25 PM
It's pretty much a non-story.

"That's not to say a deal potentially won't get done down the line, especially with the Ohio State product still having two years remaining his rookie deal. Rather it appears -- like Mayfield -- the Browns won't be signing Ward to a long-term extension prior to their Sept. 12 season opener against the Kansas City Chiefs."


Also, it completely lacks context: is it a longshot because of his demands or the team's? Basically, it's hack reporting that actually reports nothing.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 02:01 PM
It was a very misleading headline. It was a longshot to be done this offseason, essentially. He still has this year and next.

Just media inspiring more faith...
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 02:08 PM
In general, I agree with you... but wasn't the story (before today) that they were starting talks on an extension? Going from 'working on it' to 'it's not going to get done right now' could potentially be a story. Could easily be nothing more than stupid pot-stirring, but we've seen much worse.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 02:36 PM
Firts of all, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm not interested in getting in a pissing contest here.

But a general observation... opinions and peceptions swing wildly on this board. 6 to 9 months ago a widely held position was that Greedy was possibly done. There was also the opinion that during the time he was healthy he hadn't shown much.
Now he's considered viable alternative to DW? All without taking one regular season snap.

Alrighty then!
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 03:16 PM
we went from "getting started on it" to a "reporter" crafting a vague article with a misleading headline that centers entirely around "it won't be done before Sept. 12th.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 03:18 PM
Originally Posted By: guard dawg
Firts of all, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm not interested in getting in a pissing contest here.

But a general observation... opinions and peceptions swing wildly on this board. 6 to 9 months ago a widely held position was that Greedy was possibly done. There was also the opinion that during the time he was healthy he hadn't shown much.
Now he's considered viable alternative to DW? All without taking one regular season snap.

Alrighty then!


Greedy definitely is not a worthy replacement for Ward. At least, he has not shown himself to be on the field, yet.

Hell, I don't think he's shown himself to outplay the guys we had last year, like Mitchell. He has a way to go before he is considered anything at all.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 04:43 PM
j/c...

Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 04:51 PM
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 05:05 PM
Now make sure the starting OL is playing to keep Baker clean.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 05:33 PM

I am sure no more than two series.
Posted By: Baker_Dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 05:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Now make sure the starting OL is playing to keep Baker clean.


This.

Also does that mean, Jarvis, Chubb, and Hunt will play?
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 07:28 PM
Not necessarily.

Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 09:57 PM
Personally I'd be happy with D'Ernest and Demetrious playing with the first o-line except for Tretter, who I understand is a little dinged up. Play DPJ and Jarvis at WR with Higgy and Davis mixed in at WR. But don't keep Bake in for more than a couple of series.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/27/21 11:31 PM
Ability isn't the question. It's more about availability.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 12:44 AM
I remain unconvinced for the reasons I've already stated.
Posted By: Steubenvillian Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 01:03 AM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Originally Posted By: guard dawg
Firts of all, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm not interested in getting in a pissing contest here.

But a general observation... opinions and peceptions swing wildly on this board. 6 to 9 months ago a widely held position was that Greedy was possibly done. There was also the opinion that during the time he was healthy he hadn't shown much.
Now he's considered viable alternative to DW? All without taking one regular season snap.

Alrighty then!


Greedy definitely is not a worthy replacement for Ward. At least, he has not shown himself to be on the field, yet.

Hell, I don't think he's shown himself to outplay the guys we had last year, like Mitchell. He has a way to go before he is considered anything at all.


When Greedy played as a rookie, he showed promise. He wasn't a pro bowl player, but you could see the skills were present. Now because of his injury keeping him out, people act as if he sucked. My point is Newsome is a rookie. He will show promise just as Greedy did. He will get beat just as Greedy did. My question is, will he be held to the same standard as Greedy? Injuries happen. What if Newsome gets hurt? Will that mean he sucks too?

Just saying. Greedy was a top prospect just like Newsome. But since he got injured and has not been able to develop quickly, many are throwing him out with the bath water. I think this is a mistake.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 01:52 AM
I actually think your assessment of Greedy is fair. I think its far from settled about the type of player he can become. That wasn't my argument. My point is you can apply the same evaluation you give for Greed to Ward. He's been injured and fans are suggesting that an unfinished product in Greedy is an alternative to Denzel. At this point, I can't agree with that.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 05:35 AM
Greedy did show some promise, to be fair, but he also had some big struggles, and in the end, he was NOT on Ward's level and when I say that, I'm referring to Ward in his rookie year.

Thus far, Greedy is simply not on Ward's level, and the last time Greedy was on the field - as I said above - he wasn't even at the level of the guys that filled in for him when he was injured.

I am not saying he sucked, and I am not bagging on him for being injured; I'm speaking to his level of play and specifically as compared to Ward. He is NOT currently a replacement for Ward.

Newsome absolutely will be held to the same standard. This is because, on this team, Ward IS the standard.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 10:33 AM
I agree with this. Greedy wasn’t good when he was on the field as a rookie. He was pretty “meh” and then was injured obviously. When people group him in with the core of our team, I kind of dismiss that notion
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 12:39 PM
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I agree with this. Greedy wasn’t good when he was on the field as a rookie. He was pretty “meh” and then was injured obviously. When people group him in with the core of our team, I kind of dismiss that notion



I don't, but my core might run deeper than the starting core.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/28/21 04:15 PM
IMO right now Greedy is a capable back-up CB on the team. He has trouble staying on the field and when he did play he was fair. He still does have potential to be good but he has to stay healthy so he can play and learn. He needs the reps.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/29/21 10:04 AM
I agree that Greedy isn't a core player when you start talking about guys like Myles or Baker. I just think you have a 2nd group, and I'd still put a guy like Greedy in that group.

No doubt with some of those 2nd guys you are banking on a degree of potential.

All of your starters aren't core players. Some are who they are, so you have a smaller group of secondary guys I consider core.

But if we are just going with a strict definition, then sure, Greedy isn't a core player.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/29/21 10:39 AM
Yes, I’d say it depends how you describe “core” … I’d refer to it as cornerstones of the team: Baker, Myles, Chubb, Bitonio, Teller, Landry, etc
At the end of the day Greedy isn't all that good if he can't stay available.

Purp said it he wasn't as good as Mitchel, my eyes didn't lie and he had way to many critical penalties at key moments. I thought he was average at best. That doesn't mean I had lost hope for him, it IMO means he has a lot of work to do needs to elevate his play as well as be available.

He doesn't compare to Ward but very few do. Ward is a monster when he is availability.

On a side note I believe the Browns will for sure keep 6 Corners.

I tend to look at the overall groups and as a group they are really good IMO, the problem is availability. That means at least 6 in my mind. If I were AB I keep every single corner that has shown they can play. The saying that you can't have to many corners is true in my book. I also think in a pinch you can move a corner to safety so if I am thin on the backend it will be at safety. In a pinch we could also slide JOK into that roll.

Everything in formulating a roster has to sort of flow together with the worse case being covered. In the end you always end up with some level of exposure if the injury bug bites. With Greedy and Ward you have to have reliable backups.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/29/21 12:39 PM
Quote:
At the end of the day Greedy isn't all that good if he can't stay available.


When put that way I agree and could bunch Ward in to that grouping, but Ward is extra good when available.

With Greedy, wasn't it pretty much 1 injury that knocked him out?

I might classify that somewhat differently over a player who is always tweeking something or has concussion issues.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/29/21 01:18 PM

For what it's worth this is my take on Greedy.

Coming out of college Greedy was a man corner with 4.37 speed.

He has great feet and is long. His knock was tackling and his light frame.

Wilks favored zone. Greedy never got it going and then got injured.

In order for Greedy to reach his true potential. He needs to play.

Newsome is more physical with full versitility to play any scheme. Most likely he will start.

Greedy will play. And I think is perfect as a third corner backing both Ward and Newsome.

Ward has missed games. So did Newsome in college. Corner depth is almost as important as the starters.

The secondary last year had little depth and it cost us big time.

I am glad Greedy made it back and I think he will help the team.

Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 08/29/21 03:31 PM
My take on Greedy is pretty much middle of the road. Rookie CB's usually all take their lumps until they have ample playing time. I don't think Greedy ever really had that. As has been mentioned he has the size, speed and skill set, but many players drafted possess that and it's never reached at the next level. So "potential alone" is pretty meaningless.

For me to try and guesstimate Greedy's value I would have to see him get enough playing time to hone his skills at the NFL level before saying he is or isn't a core player. His future on the injury front may be a bigger influence on his career than any potential we saw before he was drafted.

Time will tell. The jury is still out.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 04:10 AM
After playoff run, talented Browns looking to do more in ’21
By TOM WITHERS

https://apnews.com/article/sports-nfl-ka...a8fff1d9867c564



CLEVELAND (AP) — In just one season, coach Kevin Stefanski transformed the Browns from overhyped underachievers into championship contenders.

The next step will be tougher.

Passed over during Cleveland’s search in 2019, Stefanski gave the Browns a second chance to hire him and, well, the rest is history.

Working in harmony with general manager Andrew Berry, who returned to the organization in 2020, Stefanski guided a team with several of the league’s rising stars through an unprecedented season of obstacles and to the Browns’ first playoff win since 1989.

He has brought the Browns sanity and stability, two things in short supply in Cleveland for much of the past two decades.

Also along the way, the 39-year-old coach formed a strong bond with quarterback Baker Mayfield, who has grown into a leader while quieting the doubters who wondered about his long-term viability.

With a franchise QB, coach and front office, the Browns are legitimate at last, and the Super Bowl talk is warranted.

Cleveland’s rise, however, has also spawned huge expectations for a team that collapsed under the weight of preseason hype two years ago.

But Mayfield, who took off following the bye week last season by throwing 14 TD passes and just two interceptions in his last 10 games, believes those tough lessons of the past will serve the Browns well when adversity arises in 2021.

“Because we’ve been punched in the mouth quite a bit, I think our guys will know how to handle that,” he said. “It has to be reiterated every time, we still have to go out there and play with complete confidence and know it’s just not going to happen. It’s a tricky line to walk.”

Mayfield has a plethora of playmakers, led by unassuming star running back Nick Chubb (1,067 yards and 12 TDs in 12 games in 2020) and his backup/sidekick Kareem Hunt (841 yards, 6 TDs).

The Chubb-Hunt 1-2 punch is unlike any in the league and it serves as Stefanski’s bread and butter to set up play-action passes for Mayfield.

Cleveland’s defense has undergone a front-to-back remodeling with the additions of edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney, veteran linebacker Anthony Walker Jr., safety John Johnson III and rookie cornerback Greg Newsome II solidifying some troublesome areas.

The Browns showed they belonged among the AFC’s elite last season by going on the road to beat Pittsburgh in the wild-card round — ending a 17-game losing streak at Heinz Field — before losing 22-17 to two-time defending conference champion Kansas City in a game Cleveland let slip away.

This time, they intend to finish the job.

“We’re a very unsatisfied team,” said tight end Austin Hooper.

GREAT GARRETT

One of All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett’s personal goals is NFL Defensive Player of the Year. He was on track to maybe winning the award last season when he contracted COVID-19.

The virus flattened the 6-foot-4, 275-pound specimen, who required breathing treatments over the final weeks. After getting 9 1/2 sacks in his first nine games, Garrett only recorded 2 1/2 over his last seven.

As long as he stays healthy, Clowney should help Garrett. Clowney can play opposite Garrett or slide inside and next to him, creating a pick-your-poison matchup issue for offenses to scheme against.

OBJ IS A-OK

Turns out speedy wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is also a lightning-fast healer.

Beckham returned quicker than expected from a season-ending knee injury, and will likely be on the field in Week 1 against the Chiefs. Beckham missed out on Cleveland’s playoff run a year ago, and because he is who he is, there’s been endless speculation about his future with the Browns.

It’s undeniable that he gives Stefanski — and Mayfield — a weapon capable of stretching any defense. What remains to be seen is whether he can handle a supporting role on a team loaded with playmakers.

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

The Browns have never won the AFC North. This could be their year.

They ended their playoff drought dating to the 2002 season last year and won a playoff game for the first time since 1994. Next up is their first division title since 1989, when they played in the AFC Central along with the Houston Oilers.

“That’s the easiest way to get in the playoffs, win your division,” said left guard Joel Bitonio, who was on Cleveland teams that went 4-44 from 2015-17. “That’s always a goal.”

SECONDARY ISSUES

Cleveland’s defensive backfield remains in flux.

Season-ending injuries to safety Grant Delpit (Achilles tendon) and cornerback Greedy Williams (shoulder nerve) in 2020 had a troubling trickle-down effect as the Browns were constantly moving players around.

Delpit and Williams have again been slowed by injuries this summer, and cornerback Denzel Ward and safety Ronnie Harrison missed time.

Nickel back Troy Hill, who played with Johnson in Los Angeles, gives the Browns some insurance, but the group’s overall health could give Stefanski and Berry some sleepless nights.

YOU, AGAIN?

The Browns will start 2021 in the same place 2020 ended: Arrowhead Stadium. The league’s schedule makers matched up the Browns and Chiefs in Week 1.

“Hell, yeah,” Browns wide receiver Rashard Higgins said when asked if that was a good thing.

It was Higgins’ costly fumble at the goal line that proved to be pivotal in Kansas City’s comeback win.

The Browns want payback.

“It’s a vindictive vibe,” Johnson said. “We definitely want to get back at those guys.”
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 02:51 PM



Browns, Dolphins, and the Masters of Addition by Subtraction

Cleveland Browns retain defensive linemen Malik McDowell and Takkarist McKinley

McDowell looked like the Tasmanian Devil when he was Michigan State's defensive tackle but fell to the second round of the draft in 2017 due to character concerns. His Seahawks career was promptly derailed by a series of alcohol-related arrests, plus injuries. Takkarist McKinley was a fierce pass-rusher at UCLA and scouting combine rock star who flashed potential in his first two years with the Falcons, then became a disgruntled vagabond who flunked multiple physicals last year. McDowell flashed moments of dominance in preseason action. McKinley missed much of August with personal issues.

The Browns have long taken chances with troubled players such as Josh Gordon and Kareem Hunt. It became fashionable in analytics circles to blame John Dorsey for the character-risk acquisitions (among other things), but McDowell and McKinley arrived during the current Andrew Barry administration. So is this a case of praising some moves that might work because we like the guys who made them? To oversimplify, is it "good analytics" or "bad analytics" to invest a one-year contract on a high-volatility veteran?

Think of it this way: suppose two individuals spend $20 on lottery tickets. The first individual is struggling to make rent. The other is just taking money from their discretionary entertainment budget. Are both individuals incurring the same risk? Of course not. The person who is barely paying the bills cannot afford to chase low-probability jackpots, so playing the lottery is a foolish decision. For the well-off individual, playing the lottery might be a better choice than, say, spending that $20 on beer, because it at least comes with the tiny chance of a huge payday (and the fun of anticipating the drawing, and no hangover.)

Keeping McDowell and McKinley isn't brilliant because the moves might work, but because they cannot hurt the Browns if they fail. If McDowell and McKinley flame out tomorrow, the Browns roll into 2021 with Myles Garrett, Malik Jackson, and Jadeveon Clowney anchoring their defensive line. They'll be more than fine. But if McDowell and/or McKinley stay the course and regain even a portion of their 2017 potential, the Browns could field the best defensive line in football.

Once a team cracks the wild-card wall, it must be willing to take greater risks to climb into Super Bowl contention. Teams that don't take those risks end up hovering in seven- to 10-win purgatory for eternity. Yep, that's a transition, and you can guess who's next.
The objective is to field the best team possible and to that end you leave no stone unturned as salary issues begin to show up you look for other ways to get the same thing done.

This is actually a better avenue then FA it costs way less and if you hit on one or 2 of these guys you have a championship caliber player at a bargain bin price.

The Browns also have a culture set in stone overstep the line and bye bye. But players who come here are introduced to the discipline that comes with a team built to win championships. We win and the player wins. A very small investment that carries few risks and huge rewards makes a great deal of sense.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:19 PM
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:33 PM
I wonder what really goes into the decision making with a Kicker tryout.
I mean, we had a neck-n-neck competition for like 10 weeks with two kickers, but there's an outside chance one of these guys shows enough in a single morning to take the job? How does that work?

I mean, unless the guy is drilling everything right down the middle from 60 yards with every crosswind imaginable, how do you decide this??

I have to believe that it's absolutely McLaughlin is our Kicker and this is just building a call sheet in the event he is injured or is so bad we HAVE to get rid of him without thinking twice about it.
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:33 PM
Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
That I've heard of none is probably a good thing. Names I would recognize are probably guys who have been released...table scraps.
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:39 PM
YT, I think it lies in the fact that every year, dozens of college kickers start competing for the handful of NFL kicker jobs available, joining an already full pattern. There will always be diamonds in the rough, just have to find them. My guess is these guys were on AB's radar and we're seeing if he can find another gem.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:46 PM
Last year we carried a kicker on our practice squad the entire year.
Posted By: keithfromxenia Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:51 PM
Maybe we are picking a kicker to add to the practice squad so that in the event of sudden illness we have a guy who has practiced kicking in the stadium.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 06:57 PM
Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
Maybe we are picking a kicker to add to the practice squad so that in the event of sudden illness we have a guy who has practiced kicking in the stadium.


I think that is exactly it. Plus, if McGl ... our current kicker struggles, you have a new guy to plug in.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 07:19 PM
I think it was Charlie Wiess on Sirius NFL was saying, you have to put pressure on a kicker in practice.

You can't simulate gameday late 4th quarter on the practice field, but what you can do is when he misses, make the entire team run laps except the snapper holder and kicker, and make them watch their teammates run until they make 3 in a row from 40 yards out.

No pressure like knowing your entire team is hating you right now and you have to make kicks.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 08:29 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
I wonder what really goes into the decision making with a Kicker tryout.
I mean, we had a neck-n-neck competition for like 10 weeks with two kickers, but there's an outside chance one of these guys shows enough in a single morning to take the job? How does that work?

I mean, unless the guy is drilling everything right down the middle from 60 yards with every crosswind imaginable, how do you decide this??

I have to believe that it's absolutely McLaughlin is our Kicker and this is just building a call sheet in the event he is injured or is so bad we HAVE to get rid of him without thinking twice about it.


I agree, what good is it going to do now?

Were all of these guys cuts from other teams? Our kicker experts around here should know if these guys are any good.

I can hear the conversation now...Well Chase, you missed a extra point and this guy had a nice workout this morning, so we are going to release you....LOL



Now, it they are looking for a guy to put on the practice squad, fine by me.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 08:32 PM
Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
I think it was Charlie Wiess on Sirius NFL was saying, you have to put pressure on a kicker in practice.

You can't simulate gameday late 4th quarter on the practice field, but what you can do is when he misses, make the entire team run laps except the snapper holder and kicker, and make them watch their teammates run until they make 3 in a row from 40 yards out.

No pressure like knowing your entire team is hating you right now and you have to make kicks.



I know I said that in one of these threads.
Posted By: dnadawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 08:42 PM
Quote:
I wonder what really goes into the decision making with a Kicker tryout.
I mean, we had a neck-n-neck competition for like 10 weeks with two kickers, but there's an outside chance one of these guys shows enough in a single morning to take the job? How does that work?


I've always wondered the same, but not just with respect to K. There's always this churn on the bottom that doesn't make sense to me if you are trying to find guys that can contribute. e.g. Whatever you think of Lauletta, is Mullins really worth replacing him? God forbid Baker went down, do we want a guy that's not yet stepped foot in the building as our backup QB? We may even see it happen in the next week on the 53, at that 4th DE or 6th LB spot.

I guess maybe GMs play the probabilities that those PS guys won't be contributing in the current year, so might as well see more guys instead of sticking with what you know. But it still runs counter to getting clean and efficient from an operational standpoint, which seems to be a focus of our current leadership.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/02/21 09:32 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
I wonder what really goes into the decision making with a Kicker tryout.
I mean, we had a neck-n-neck competition for like 10 weeks with two kickers, but there's an outside chance one of these guys shows enough in a single morning to take the job? How does that work?

I mean, unless the guy is drilling everything right down the middle from 60 yards with every crosswind imaginable, how do you decide this??

I have to believe that it's absolutely McLaughlin is our Kicker and this is just building a call sheet in the event he is injured or is so bad we HAVE to get rid of him without thinking twice about it.


Could we apply this line of thinking, to if, emm say,
Tom Brady were to come to the Browns for a Try out, in circa 2017, When the Browns already had DiShone Kizer out there slinging the ball around?

How could they ever see in one day, if Tom Brady were anything worth making a decision on.

( Oh, I mean, They might look at the guys known history and reputation of getting the job done around the league for a whole careers worth of time)

but somehow Do We think, nobody considers that and makes all personel decisions based on one day in a camp in person.

This seems amazingly odd thinking if that were the case.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/03/21 03:04 AM
Cleveland Browns notes: Grant Delpit, Greedy Williams, Sione Takitaki return to practice
Nate Ulrich
Akron Beacon Journal


https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/spor...ice/5662310001/


BEREA — Whenever a defense encounters superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, it needs all the help it can get.

So safety Grant Delpit, cornerback Greedy Williams and linebacker Sione Takitaki returning from soft-tissue injuries and participating in Thursday's Browns practice provided hope the defense could be close to full strength when it faces Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the Sept. 12 regular-season opener.

"Everybody's progressing," Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said during his pre-practice news conference.

Delpit had been sidelined since Aug. 18, when he aggravated a right hamstring injury in a training camp practice.

Williams had been out since he suffered a groin injury Aug. 22 in the second preseason game against the New York Giants.

Takitaki had been idle since he suffered a hamstring injury Aug. 19 in a camp practice.

Delpit and Williams, both of whom are second-round draft picks from Louisiana State University, didn't play last season because of injuries they suffered on the same day. Delpit suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon and Williams suffered nerve damage in a shoulder on Aug. 24, 2020.

Last week, defensive coordinator Joe Woods expressed optimism Delpit and Williams would be able to contribute in Kansas City.

“I definitely want them to be involved," Woods said. "When you have the ability to put more speed on the field and create the matchups you want to create, that's what those guys give us.

"Greedy can play either corner position, but he'll allow us to create some different matchups inside with other guys. With Grant, he can play all of the safety positions, and he can play the dime position. Coming out of LSU, he showed us coverage skills. There's a lot of flexibility and there are a lot of different things I can do within the package. It's just really getting the guys back healthy.”

Ronnie Harrison, Greg Newsome II will likely start for Cleveland Browns
Stefanski said he's not ready to name starters yet.

But at this point, it's a safe bet neither Delpit nor Williams will start at Arrowhead Stadium.

Ronnie Harrison is expected to start at safety alongside blockbuster free-agent acquisition John Johnson III.

Still, Woods wants to use Harrison, Johnson and Delpit at the same time in a dime package. The viability of the three-safety look, though, hinges largely on Delpit's health.

“We're going to have a dime package," Woods said. "We may have to get to it maybe a little bit later in terms of the whole package, but we are repping it in training camp. We're keeping alive, but once [Delpit] gets back, there are some other things I'll be able to do.”

Williams competed in training camp for the starting cornerback job opposite Denzel Ward, but rookie first-round draft pick Greg Newsome II is expected to fill the role.

Of the three players who returned to practice Thursday, Takitaki is the likeliest to start. However, Takitaki plays strongside linebacker, so he comes off the field whenever Woods uses a nickelback. The Browns will run nickel for the majority of their defensive snaps.

If the Browns open Week 1 in the nickel package, they would have nine new defensive starters compared with the 2020 regular-season opener in Baltimore. Ward and defensive end Myles Garrett would be the only two Browns defenders to start the 2020 and 2021 openers.

If the Browns use their base defense at the outset in Kansas City and Takitaki is in the lineup, they would have eight new defensive starters compared with Week 1 last year.

Troy Hill, JC Tretter, Michael Dunn remain sidelined for Cleveland Browns
Speaking of nickelback, Troy Hill (undisclosed) remained sidelined Thursday along with starting center JC Tretter (undisclosed) and backup guard Michael Dunn (back). They worked out beside the field instead of participating in the portion of practice open to media.

Hill would be among the nine new starters in the nickel package.

Stefanski said Wednesday he expects Tretter to be ready to play the Chiefs.

Wide receiver Rashard Higgins remained absent Thursday, but he was excused for a personal reason, Stefanski said.

Higgins announced Thursday night on social media his fiancee had given birth to the couple's first child, a boy named Sevin.

Cleveland Browns players taking brief break in buildup to season opener
After practicing for about an hour Thursday, the Browns entered a mandatory three-day break for players. The mini-vacation is for players throughout the league and stems from the NFL adding a 17th regular-season game for the first time in history.

Vaccinated players can leave town, but unvaccinated players are required to be tested for COVID-19 daily, according to protocols agreed upon by the NFL and NFL Players Association.

The Browns have "well over" 90% of their players fully vaccinated, a person familiar with the organization's vaccination rates said.

Stefanski said he and his coaches will continue to work while the players are away.

"The message [to players] is stay safe, be careful, follow the rules that are set forth," Stefanski said. "But in terms of telling guys what they can and can't do, I'm really not in position to do that. I'm in position to tell them to be safe and reiterate some of those messages this morning and again today."

Joe Jackson earns No. 4 defensive end role with Cleveland Browns
Joe Jackson is the No. 4 defensive end of the Browns after being waived by them Tuesday and re-signing Wednesday. He'll be in the rotation behind Garrett, Jadeveon Clowney and Takk McKinley.

"All those roles are important, specifically to how we're going to wave the guys along the defensive front [into the game]," Stefanski said. "So Joe had a nice camp, did a nice job in the games, so we expect him to continue to build on that."
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/03/21 07:55 PM
It's a safe bet neither Greedy nor Grant will start at Arrowhead.
and Troy Hill is out.

The Db's NOT added to this team since the drafting of Greg Newsome showed as a referendum on what the team really thought of the Brian Allens, and Robert Jacksons, and Redwine, who are not on the team anymore, are adding up.
The lack of relying on the Kevin Johnson, and Terrence Mitchell, and Sendejo, and others who could suit up for all 16 games, could end up the story of the 2021 Browns.

Every Silver lining has a touch of gray.
Relying on Greedy and Grant
I feel like this is a re-hashing of the nightmare of bringing Hue Jackson back for year #3 as head coach. banghead
Posted By: DaveyD Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/03/21 10:32 PM
What's the over/under on the amount of games Greedy, Delpit and Ward play this year?
Posted By: CapCity Dawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/04/21 01:42 AM
Originally Posted By: DaveyD
What's the over/under on the amount of games Greedy, Delpit and Ward play this year?


Ward consistently misses 4 games a year, so the over/under on him is probably 13.5.

Granny Williams, I put at 4.5. If he is on the field for one snap then this will be his 2nd most strenuous season in the NFL.

Delpit. Who knows. Optimistically I say 8.5. Absolutely no reason at all.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/04/21 01:46 PM
Quote:
Granny Williams, I put at 4.5. If he is on the field for one snap then this will be his 2nd most strenuous season in the NFL.


I hope we don't re-sign. The age analytics model shouldn't allow it.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/04/21 01:56 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Quote:
Granny Williams, I put at 4.5. If he is on the field for one snap then this will be his 2nd most strenuous season in the NFL.


I hope we don't re-sign. The age analytics model shouldn't allow it.


I hope we don't make that decision until we have all of the facts. This is year 3 for him, and we don't have to make that decision of whether or not to re-sign him until after year 4.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 02:01 AM
j/c...

Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 10:35 AM
If Ward, Greedy, and Delpit all play more than 12 games we should have a parade
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
If Ward, Greedy, and Delpit all play more than 12 games we should have a parade


With or without them I think we are going to have a parade. Dreams are about to come true put some on ice and make a large bowl of Popcorn and let's enjoy the best season we have ever had.
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 11:13 AM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
It's a safe bet neither Greedy nor Grant will start at Arrowhead.
and Troy Hill is out.


Hill's out for week one? What did I miss?
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 12:10 PM
You didn't miss anything, TL is basing that on the last official injury report leading into the last pre-season game.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 12:39 PM
j/c...

All I know is Ward, Hill and Newsome are 3 studs at corner. Greedy as far as I'm concerned is our #4 Green #5 andeager to jump ahead of Greedy.

We are looking pretty good if all are healthy come playoffs
Jmho
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 12:40 PM
Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
You didn't miss anything, TL is basing that on the last official injury report leading into the last pre-season game.


Man we can't know what he's basing anything on... could be facts, could be tin foil.
Man Tabber I was just commenting on you to Bone Yesterday I sure hope you are OK?

Keep on keeping on this is our year.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 03:06 PM
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
If Ward, Greedy, and Delpit all play more than 12 games we should have a parade


Maybe even combined. Well, maybe just pass out helium balloons.
Once again TL is peddling manure and you all are lining up to get a whiff.

Troy Hill is not out. He didn't play in our last preseason game and had what Ski called a minor injury, he will play in KC.

We will be full go when KC rolls around and our backend will be loaded and ready for KC.

KC best start figuring out how they are going to be able to handle Garret, McDowell, Jackson, and Clowney because with their reworked O Line I think Mahommes may take more hits in game one then he did in last years SB.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 07:13 PM
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg
Cleveland Browns notes: Grant Delpit, Greedy Williams, Sione Takitaki return to practice
Nate Ulrich
Akron Beacon Journal


https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/spor...ice/5662310001/


BEREA — Whenever a defense encounters superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, it needs all the help it can get.

So safety Grant Delpit, cornerback Greedy Williams and linebacker Sione Takitaki returning from soft-tissue injuries and participating in Thursday's Browns practice provided hope the defense could be close to full strength when it faces Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the Sept. 12 regular-season opener.

"Everybody's progressing," Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said during his pre-practice news conference.

Delpit had been sidelined since Aug. 18, when he aggravated a right hamstring injury in a training camp practice.

Williams had been out since he suffered a groin injury Aug. 22 in the second preseason game against the New York Giants.


Takitaki had been idle since he suffered a hamstring injury Aug. 19 in a camp practice.

Delpit and Williams, both of whom are second-round draft picks from Louisiana State University, didn't play last season because of injuries they suffered on the same day. Delpit suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon and Williams suffered nerve damage in a shoulder on Aug. 24, 2020.

Last week, defensive coordinator Joe Woods expressed optimism Delpit and Williams would be able to contribute in Kansas City.

“I definitely want them to be involved," Woods said. "When you have the ability to put more speed on the field and create the matchups you want to create, that's what those guys give us.

"Greedy can play either corner position, but he'll allow us to create some different matchups inside with other guys. With Grant, he can play all of the safety positions, and he can play the dime position. Coming out of LSU, he showed us coverage skills. There's a lot of flexibility and there are a lot of different things I can do within the package. It's just really getting the guys back healthy.”

Ronnie Harrison, Greg Newsome II will likely start for Cleveland Browns
Stefanski said he's not ready to name starters yet.

But at this point, it's a safe bet neither Delpit nor Williams will start at Arrowhead Stadium.

Ronnie Harrison is expected to start at safety alongside blockbuster free-agent acquisition John Johnson III.

Still, Woods wants to use Harrison, Johnson and Delpit at the same time in a dime package. The viability of the three-safety look, though, hinges largely on Delpit's health.

“We're going to have a dime package," Woods said. "We may have to get to it maybe a little bit later in terms of the whole package, but we are repping it in training camp. We're keeping alive, but once [Delpit] gets back, there are some other things I'll be able to do.”

Williams competed in training camp for the starting cornerback job opposite Denzel Ward, but rookie first-round draft pick Greg Newsome II is expected to fill the role.

Of the three players who returned to practice Thursday, Takitaki is the likeliest to start. However, Takitaki plays strongside linebacker, so he comes off the field whenever Woods uses a nickelback. The Browns will run nickel for the majority of their defensive snaps.

If the Browns open Week 1 in the nickel package, they would have nine new defensive starters compared with the 2020 regular-season opener in Baltimore. Ward and defensive end Myles Garrett would be the only two Browns defenders to start the 2020 and 2021 openers.

If the Browns use their base defense at the outset in Kansas City and Takitaki is in the lineup, they would have eight new defensive starters compared with Week 1 last year.

Troy Hill, JC Tretter, Michael Dunn remain sidelined for Cleveland Browns
Speaking of nickelback, Troy Hill (undisclosed) remained sidelined Thursday along with starting center JC Tretter (undisclosed) and backup guard Michael Dunn (back). They worked out beside the field instead of participating in the portion of practice open to media.

Hill would be among the nine new starters in the nickel package.

Stefanski said Wednesday he expects Tretter to be ready to play the Chiefs.

Wide receiver Rashard Higgins remained absent Thursday, but he was excused for a personal reason, Stefanski said.

Higgins announced Thursday night on social media his fiancee had given birth to the couple's first child, a boy named Sevin.

Cleveland Browns players taking brief break in buildup to season opener
After practicing for about an hour Thursday, the Browns entered a mandatory three-day break for players. The mini-vacation is for players throughout the league and stems from the NFL adding a 17th regular-season game for the first time in history.

Vaccinated players can leave town, but unvaccinated players are required to be tested for COVID-19 daily, according to protocols agreed upon by the NFL and NFL Players Association.

The Browns have "well over" 90% of their players fully vaccinated, a person familiar with the organization's vaccination rates said.

Stefanski said he and his coaches will continue to work while the players are away.

"The message [to players] is stay safe, be careful, follow the rules that are set forth," Stefanski said. "But in terms of telling guys what they can and can't do, I'm really not in position to do that. I'm in position to tell them to be safe and reiterate some of those messages this morning and again today."

Joe Jackson earns No. 4 defensive end role with Cleveland Browns
Joe Jackson is the No. 4 defensive end of the Browns after being waived by them Tuesday and re-signing Wednesday. He'll be in the rotation behind Garrett, Jadeveon Clowney and Takk McKinley.

"All those roles are important, specifically to how we're going to wave the guys along the defensive front [into the game]," Stefanski said. "So Joe had a nice camp, did a nice job in the games, so we expect him to continue to build on that."

catfight
Tin Foil? If they played a game today, who plays in the secondary? frown
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/05/21 07:27 PM
They all would. If they're working out on the sideline, they'll be good to play. If they were idle, you might have cause for concern.

Not starting means nothing other than not out there for the first snap. That's it.

Expect them all to be on the field next Sunday.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/06/21 03:20 AM
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
j/c...



We destroyed Mentor. Glad we he was in attendance:)
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/06/21 09:20 AM
in rehab getting stronger and working hard for positive results. Hoping to be done for opener if not then I will try to get a pass for the day. I wish to see my Browns at home with traditional 3 alarm chili and dogs


Chiefs are the best team in the AFC so we must keep our concentration intense throughout the game.
Originally Posted By: eotab
in rehab getting stronger and working hard for positive results. Hoping to be done for opener if not then I will try to get a pass for the day. I wish to see my Browns at home with traditional 3 alarm chili and dogs


Chiefs are the best team in the AFC so we must keep our concentration intense throughout the game.


I am so glad you are on the mend. Honestly if you weren't here to enjoy this season with all of us it would ruin it for me.

All the pain we all have experienced over the past 20 + years would sort of be ruined, if one of the long suffering didn't make it, and for me that would most certainly mean you. Get better and start the Chili pot.

This year that Chili is sure to taste better then ever. Keep on keeping on Tabber I speak for us all I believe when I say prayers are with you and you are and have always been a very important part of this community.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/06/21 12:11 PM

Good news tab.

Glad everyone will get to enjoy this ride.

I am throwing away all caution.

I am all in.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/09/21 07:05 PM
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/10/21 09:11 PM
GC.
We're often presented with the that
1. Mayfields efficiency skyrocketed in the 2nd half of 2020.

2. deleted

but. 3. How much of the time of Bakers' improved efficiency on offense corresponds to the time after David Njoku came back from injury.

Therefore, how important is it for the Browns to re-sign David Njoku and keep him around long term.
Posted By: bbrowns32 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/10/21 09:18 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
... I speak for us all I believe when I say prayers are with you and you are and have always been a very important part of this community.


Absolutely! Well said, BTTB... thumbsup
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/10/21 09:50 PM
Mathematically, there is of course an impact on the bottom line number even if NJoku caught just one more pass than whomever he displaced with his return, but not anything that steps outside of the adage of "Correlation is NOT Causation."

Baker spread is around far too much, far too well, for one player to have that degree of impact.
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/14/21 12:22 PM
Wow, Malik McDowell scores an 89.2 PFF score...3rd best DL in the League.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/14/21 12:23 PM
Just great
Posted By: waterdawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 01:27 AM
The kid I liked better than Hudson got picked up///

Offensive tackle Alex Taylor, formerly with the Cleveland Browns has signed with the Chicago Bears practice squad. Taylor was placed on injured reserve after suffering an injury in preseason, but the Browns agreed to release him, so he was free to sign with someone else.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 04:22 AM
Mathmatically Anthony Schwartz had 2 negative plays in his first NFL game on drives that did not score.
He ran a route that was different from if he'd continued, and was thrown to but not near the ball.
2nd He was thrown a ball that was knocked away by the defender but he had his hands on it.

A. Schwartz was involved on two plays that ended incompleted on 2 separate drives where the Browns did not score.
He also had a couple positive plays including one big pass which he was able to corral and catch, after a bobble. And a sweep run and a 9 yard completion. 59 yards on passes over 10 yards through the air.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 04:31 AM
Originally Posted By: DaveyD
What's the over/under on the amount of games Greedy, Delpit and Ward play this year?
9.5
9.5
9.5
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 12:31 PM
You forgot top rookie WR rating.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 12:43 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
You forgot top rookie WR rating.


But that doesn’t matter to TL. All that matters is that he was over drafted and didn’t catch eleventymillion yards worth of passes that travelled 100 yards in the air in his first three games.

:rollseyes:
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 12:55 PM
DAMN ! We should have traded up for this guy in the 2nd to make sure he didn't get away from us!

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-15-highest-graded-nfl-rookies-week-1-2021

Just wow !
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 01:07 PM
He can definitely stand to work on his hands. His usage right off the bat tells me that KS is happy with him (he got more snaps and WAY more looks than Higgins).

I'm sure KS will want to hear this TL info/feedback on Schwartz.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 01:20 PM
Better than Chase...hmmm what does the Bengal fan throwlong have to say about that???
Posted By: dnadawg Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 01:34 PM
It's silly to get worked up about a rookie in his first game who actually produced, but it 100% was frustrating that the guy that was brought in to run go routes accidentally didn't run one that would've likely gone for 6.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 04:38 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Mathmatically Anthony Schwartz had 2 negative plays in his first NFL game on drives that did not score.
He ran a route that was different from if he'd continued, and was thrown to but not near the ball.
2nd He was thrown a ball that was knocked away by the defender but he had his hands on it.

A. Schwartz was involved on two plays that ended incompleted on 2 separate drives where the Browns did not score.
He also had a couple positive plays including one big pass which he was able to corral and catch, after a bobble. And a sweep run and a 9 yard completion. 59 yards on passes over 10 yards through the air.


Is there a point you were trying to make other than he played an NFL game and had both positive and neutral results?
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 04:41 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Mathmatically Anthony Schwartz had 2 negative plays in his first NFL game on drives that did not score.
He ran a route that was different from if he'd continued, and was thrown to but not near the ball.
2nd He was thrown a ball that was knocked away by the defender but he had his hands on it.

A. Schwartz was involved on two plays that ended incompleted on 2 separate drives where the Browns did not score.
He also had a couple positive plays including one big pass which he was able to corral and catch, after a bobble. And a sweep run and a 9 yard completion. 59 yards on passes over 10 yards through the air.


Is there a point you were trying to make other than he played an NFL game and had both positive and neutral results?


Sharks don't like quicksand.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/16/21 05:07 PM
well, that IS newsworthy
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Mathmatically Anthony Schwartz had 2 negative plays in his first NFL game on drives that did not score.
He ran a route that was different from if he'd continued, and was thrown to but not near the ball.
2nd He was thrown a ball that was knocked away by the defender but he had his hands on it.

A. Schwartz was involved on two plays that ended incompleted on 2 separate drives where the Browns did not score.
He also had a couple positive plays including one big pass which he was able to corral and catch, after a bobble. And a sweep run and a 9 yard completion. 59 yards on passes over 10 yards through the air.


Is there a point you were trying to make other than he played an NFL game and had both positive and neutral results?


Sharks don't like quicksand.


I have to hand it to you oober you have a lot more patience then I have I hardly EVER read anything he writes I see who the response is from wave up at the sky and keep going.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/17/21 01:14 PM
j/c

Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/17/21 01:48 PM
A lot of the mystery around the Reuben Foster rumors just cleared up.

That sucks.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Browns News & Notes (Continued) - 09/17/21 02:07 PM
We’re gonna see more JOK and Malcolm Smith obviously. Maybe Foster as well.

I’m fine with less Wilson
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