I'm surprised we haven't brought in a Kicker since the injury to Parkey. In Barry I Trust, he knows lot more than any of us. I'm just surprised.....who's are current backup kicker- Miles. Go Browns!!!!

Isn't the emergency backup kicker Gillan? I thought I read a while ago that he can kick in a pinch.

I'm guessing we're eyeballing someone else wrapped up in a "competition" and waiting for them to be released.

I overheard Berry in the hallway saying there were no "top tier" kickers available and telling Stefanski: "Until there are we should just score touchdowns."

No doubt the analytics support scoring touchdowns vs field goals.

And in the world of kicking, and the fan's perspective... "Big Week" means if he misses a kick -- he sucks and our FO has no idea what they're doing. If he makes them all -- he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and analytics really works!

Every week is a 'big week'.

Agree, every week is a big week for a kicker. Our draft pick has bad first game and was GONE. I don't know if our punter kicks, but he's big and has a hell of a leg. I just thought we'd bring someone in, with only 32 teams...and all the all conference kickers out there....JMHO, I'd have brought a leg in. I'm guessing/ knowing I was WRONG....go Browns!!!!

The hammer can kick fieldgoals.

Extra points need to be automatic.

Kicks less than 43 yards, any kick in the 0-39 yard range need to be automatic.

I don't care as much about kicks 48+ yards, being closer to 50%-60%, but extra points need to be automatic.
20-38 yard Field goals need to be automatic also.

At least feel like they are automatic

100% correct.

I honestly don't know the answer.. But has any kicker ever been perfect on PAT's

I am sure that some have on a all-time look, but since the spot was moved back, not many. Not enough to say it should be automatic.

In addition to a perfect kick, you also need a perfect snap and a perfect hold. That is a whole lot of perfect to expect.

j/c...sort of

That PAT wasn't just a miss. I'm not sure I've ever seen a kick go sideways like that one did. Anyway...

The kicks he did make looked like they were on the right edge...and I mean edge. Lastly...

Where is this leg strength when a 56 yarder bounces off the cross bar?

I dunno...my lack of confidence in Parkey was/is exceeded by my lack of confidence in McG.

Haha yeah the XP was an absurd miss. It was in a DOME and from 33 yards out … and it literally maybe crossed the sideline before the end line hAHA

I saw it, and it was beyond ugly. Were the snap and hold good?

Phil Dawson missed a PAT once... ONCE.

???????

He was 518 for 531 for his career.

I could be wrong, but I think that's a Johnny Dangerously reference.

When he played extra points were from a much shorter distance. It's comparing apples to oranges. Phil Dawson was also one of the best kickers in the NFL when he was still playing.

Pit and Ytown: Damn, it was a Joke.

Sounds like my pitching wedge

Oh. OK.

It's about time one of you bastages figured that out.

Like I said, I didn't see the kicked. I turned in around 10:15 if it was after that and was doing a few other things from time to time.

I looked around the net and couldn't find anything, be it a half search. I didn't spend a whole lot of time searching.

My car's SYNC system can read incoming texts to me. Upon learning this, a good friend began to randomly text me "Far Gone Ice Hole" whenever he knew I was driving home from work.

Surely you can't be serious?

I am, and don’t call me Shirley.

I would be comfortable bringing Folk in to compete.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...folk-at-kicker/

It looks like the Patriots won’t be relying on a rookie at just quarterback to start the season.

According to ESPN’s Field Yates, New England is expected to choose Quinn Nordin over veteran Nick Folk at kicker.

Nordin struggled in the Patriots’ second preseason game, missing a 36-yard field goal wide right and a pair of extra points wide right in the matchup against Philadelphia. He also missed a 54-yard field goal wide left in the team’s preseason finale against the Giants.

Overall, Nordin was 6-of-8 on his preseason field-goal attempts after going undrafted out of Michigan this year. Veteran Nick Folk attempted only one field goal and hit it during the preseason.

In 16 games last year, Folk was 26-of-28 on field goals. He was also 30-or-33 on extra points.

Folk has been kicking since 2007 and has a career 81.4 field goal percentage.

I would definitely take a look at this guy.

Lions cut Zane Gonzales.

If Verity has been around Tucker and was above average I’d take a look

I posted this somewhere, but here is a "current", not, list of available kickers= some we know about- Verity, Balt., Slye, Carolina, Seibert, Cinc, Gonzalez, Det, Molson, GB, Badgley, LA, and last, Folk, Pats/NE....Folk is tried and true, would be a KNOWN vs. our current guy who's been cut from 5 teams.....I say we have a kickoff at the stadium...plenty of pressure and in the hard place they'd kick....I know Berry will bring a couple of these guys in.....wonder which ones. GO Browns!!! Somehow, Johnson, Chicago, left off....he could be a keeper

Because John Dorsey is still there.

#NotARealPlayer

We really need to bring in a few guys. The guy we have isn't horrible,, but he's not Phil Dawson either.. Although,, I seem to remember when Phil was at the same point in his career,, he wasn't anything to write home about either..

Folk missed two field goals and three extra points last year. I think that is about what most kickers do, including the one we had. The can't miss guys do not exist anymore. All of them are missing extra points since they move it back, and not a one is 100% on field goals. IMO, they are all the same. the guy we have now was doing good, then he missed the extra point and is considered trash. If we sign another one, it will be the same thing.

Bring a couple in, but I wouldn't hold my breath thinking there is going to be a can't miss guy.

JMHO, this Florida retiree thinks two legs, like Johnson/Bears and Folk/Pats should be brought in for a kickoff. Like coach said, we are all replaceable. Go Browns!!!

I agree, but most people don't understand that.

If we think we have a "possible issue", I just read Detroit has ZERO kickers on their team....now that can't be good. GO Browns!!!

They cut two veteran kickers in Bullock and Gonzales. They must have really crapped the pot during camap. I think Zane was signed late though.

We are low on the waiver wire. Just about everybody gets a shot before we do.

I'll worry about our kicker if it becomes a problem. A missed PAT in preseason isn't anything I will worry about.

It is much ado about nothing...until it isn't. Did anyone have any doubt that Justin Tucker would make that FG last year in the Ravens#2 game? Me neither. Now that's not the standard that every kicker can meet, and that's fine. Most of these guys are about the same throughout the course of the season. But once you have a playoff team, kicker matters.

On paper, we have our best SB window in the next 2 seasons. How would it feel to lose 1 or both of these chances after a long season of excellent team play because a kicker misses a game-winning 40 yarder in the playoffs?

If you can guarantee some other kicker won't miss, fine get him, but you can't.

You don't know that our kicker is going to miss any more than you know some other kicker is going to make a kick.

PEEN,

I'm not claiming anything about any particular kicker. I just think it is wrong to say the position doesn't matter, because there are times in playoff games where it absolutely does.

And you tell everyone else to drop it.

The Baltimore kicker didn’t get claimed.

"Awe......"

I should have never of changed my signature as a sign of extending the olive branch. But that's okay, it can easily be fixed since that seemed to bother you so much. From the land of "Do as I say, not what I do" I present to you, Memphis.

You guys are re-hashing the Dorsey ouster argument over a guy that was like 4-5 kickers ago. I think it was 3 seasons ago(?) (Browns seasons are like dog years so it feels like a decade ago).

Cool. I don't know if anybody said it doesn't matter. Of course it matters.

I just don't think it matters if we bring someone in at this point. I think the team was leaning towards McLaughlin anyway, but if not it doesn't sound like they would have kept Parkey so much for winning at kicking....more because he was the incumbent.

Too many people expect a kicker to be perfect and kick 60 yarders with ease. Nobody does that.

IMO if a kick "loses" a game, the O or D didn't do a very good job either.

I think kickers are like Qb's in that if they make a mistake there is no one to cover up for them.

If a Cb gets beat, the safety can come over and break up the pass or the DE can pressure the Qb into a bad throw or a sack. But if a Qb throws and interception or the kicker misses a kick that's it. Nothing anybody else can do about it.

I also think that a really good K could win you 1-22 games per season and a really bad kicker could result in 1-2 loses per season.

A team needs at minimum a decent reliable kicker.

Just get us a kicker who can make all his xtra points and it would be more than we've had since Phil.

No one is re-hashing anything. Pit got triggered seeing a post he didn't like and decided to whine on the internet. We've seen it all too often from him before.

That's all.

I can hear a report of a kicker who got waived, earlier today, and, some guy with a N in his name maybe from New England or some AFC east team and hear the report he was blank for blank, missed 3 on extra points over some time frame.
and then something like same percentage, missed only 3 extra points in the last year or other time frame.

And
I can draw on my memory.
Was it the re-look-back at the Giants game last year and there was a missed XP last play before half.

If you score before halftime, YOU HAVE to MAKE that XP, it's a Momentum killer if you don't

and then know the Browns missed an XP to finish preseason so. No matter the kicker, that's 2 missed XP's in 8 games by the Browns?

2 missed XP's in 8 games? Who the !!!!!!!!!, isn't anyone practicing XP's?

Something needs to be done. If they expect to play excellent and have team aspirations, the XP has to be a given, almost 100%

What was Phil Dawson, his numbers were listed, looked like 97.55+ percent on XP's. How many years of the 5 yard variety vs. the 33 yard variety.

Maybe the Browns kickers need to practice the 5 yard XP's 1000 times in a row, and then the 33 yarder would become more automatic.

11 days until about halftime of the Kansas City game. This subject is important.

Imo if a kick loses a game, it's like an affront to everything the Offense, sometimes the defense did to set it up. Getting the ball across the 50, making that circus play to get the ball down to the 38. Punishing hits to continue drives down inside the 30 or even the 33 yard line area.
Turnovers recovered in the redzone by defenses to set up an offense that only has 3 negative plays but to come away with zero points on a kick in the 41-44 yard range.

Made kicks are an extension of a teams effective execution of winning football.
The same as passes that are completed, and runs that don't stall because the runner can't find a hole. Punts that go for 10 yards because they're shanked and other negative plays.
Plus, Kicks are scoring plays.
A drive that ends in a made field goal reinforces all the players who put in the effort to get the ball into position.
Missed kicks are like pulling the rug out from under them.

In addition, the kicker relies on a snapper and holder. If those aren't perfect, the timing of the kick can be way off.

In looking at the missed extra point, the snap was a bit high. A bit high means the ball gets placed a bit later. Seeing as how a kicker begins his stride pretty much on snap, that "bit" can mean a lot.

On the hold, Gillians off hold hand seems to clear late, as in it may have even tipped the ball a fraction as the ball was kicked.

I am not making excuses for the guy, but if the timing between snap and hold are off, it's hard for a kicker to adjust his timing mid stride.

Watch some golf on TV. Many times you will hear the announcers talking about a player who got a little quick and the golfer was trying to hold his hands back. Sometimes the golfer is able to salvage the shot and at least keep the shot reasonable. Other times they are way off target.

You see it in baseball as well. When the pitcher throws a change-up, the batter has to try to adjust his bat speed mid swing by trying to hold back to get the bat timed up with the ball. Sometimes it works, but usually ends up a pop-up or dead fish fly ball to center.

While you were whining about the guy who brought us Baker Mayfield and Nick Chubb.



That's all.

[quote/] By Throwlong
What was Phil Dawson, his numbers were listed, looked like 97.55+ percent on XP's. How many years of the 5 yard variety vs. the 33 yard variety.[quote]

From 30-30 yds Phil was 133 of 154
From 20-29 yds he was 147-155
He was great but in this age of 33yard extra points even The great Phil Dawson would miss some.

You take that back!

I'm sorry...i take it back. LoL

seems like every year since dawson we go into season worrying about kicker. We need to find that long term guy..dumb to be worrying about a kicker every year.

Yet, some of us will...especially when the first extra point or FG is missed. Naggar wasn't on my list....wonder if they'll take him to the stadium and what some kicks....Go Browns!!!

Fumble one ball and the crowds light their torches, lol

Monday Morning after a loss.

Not really my thought, I was more surprised by the stats. I thought we were better than that.

Hell, as much as Gillan sucks, I'd rather have Don Cockcroft back there at age 76.

Don spoke at a meeting I was at when I was, 12? Nice guy.

Believe it or not, after the h.s. football game friday, wife and I and another couple went to a local bar. I've been there hundreds of times (great burgers). I noticed, after years and years, Ozzy Newsome had signed the wall. As well as Urban Meyer, Roger Penske (whom I've met in person and he'd, being the person he is, probably remember my name)

I think McLaughlin has a pretty good handle on the job now.

I’d say so, and hopefully we’ve finally found a reliable kicker, first since Phil.

Until he misses a kick, then fans will want his head again.

As it should be.

Other teams kickers can make a kick. Nobody is calling for Justin Tuckers' head from Baltimore fans.

We can see the Ravens are getting free out, unfairly, by the league from all procedural penalties, whether delay of game, or delay of game again, or too many men on the field, or illegal substitution.

I mean! How many times in 50 years have you heard a referee explanation,
" before the illegal substitution, time out by baltimorre" only the ravens ever did that.

Now! Given the 40 mph winds the Ravens
Cross winds, the Ravens seemed to employ in their stadium in 2020 when the Browns attempted a field goal, we can see No hesitance to cheat on the part of Baltimore.

Therefore. Kicks of greater than 59 yards ought to outlawed in the NFL, based on the probability the kicker was ... (what is the word for when they add weapons to a warplane?)...
equipped with a Lead sock or something, to give his kicks longer range.

Such is the life of an NFL kicker.

I remember about 2-3 years into Dawson's career, tons and tons of people wanted to get rid of him.

Good kickers are like bourbon, they are either good or they are not and take a little time to age to perfection.

I get not wanting to throw a guy with talent onto the scrap heap, but at the same time do you really want to potentially be losing games so 1 guy can work through whatever he's working through? It sucks, but IMO the answer is no when you have guys like Parkey (guys that can come in and hold down the fort for at least a little while) that are always available.

Exactly. Few come out and take the league by storm as rookies, just like any other position.

Experience isn't something you can buy or draft. It took Dawson a number of years to kick in the stadium wind. It's a lot like golf. An experienced golfer can tell you the wind is blowing hard once the ball gets above the trees, but you don't feel any wind or see flags blowing around. It takes several times of having your ball blown off course before you have the experience to trust that the ball is going to move.

Chase has bounced around a bit over the last few years. He has the leg. He has decent enough accuracy even now. Now we just need to let him grow in to the kicker he can become.

I was around this board as well when Dawson was early in his career. Many claimed he had a weak leg. It proves that most fans don't know what they are talking about or have unrealistic expectations. Some both.

I like Chase and I think he'll stick. Will he miss a few? Of course -- all kickers do.

He just needs to work on his mid-range game.

Career:

Under 40: 14-14
Over 50: 6-7
40-49: 7-12

He's also 40-41 in XPs... and was 79-79 in college.

Hopefully, after six NFL stops in three years, he's found his home.

I just hope it's in the 3rd quarter when we are up by 2 TDs and not in the final 5 seconds when we are down by 2... but he is going to miss again at some point.

Well, boys and girls, this post got more attention than I thought it would, who cares, I'm very happy with OUR CURRENT KICKER, what is not to like, yes, he will eventually miss something, and we will call for his head....what's new. As far as kicking goes, the real issue is OUR CANNON, dropping hike and not kicking it in our first game sure gave it away....new ways to LOSE. We've righted the ship....GO Browns!!!!

Truth.
There was no stumble there. I think the only thing there was is do you jettison the guy you know from last year to take a chance on Chase, and injury made it so we didn't have to make that decision.

I think the best way to sum it up is that Chase will be great until and unless he is not. With kickers it's a fickle situation.

The biggest test will be when the weather turns in Cleveland. When the rain and snow is flying and the wind is blowing off Lake Erie. Stay tuned......

I thought I read Prieffer saying that Chase was ahead of Parkey before the Parkey injury.

j/c...

Beautiful

Awhile back I was going to make a post about Chase. I was going to say that I loved his short accuracy. He was excellent on extra points. I was going to say that I was concerned about his leg strength. I looked up his stats to back up my point. That's when I noticed that he was actually pretty good from 50+ yards. Then I noticed how the vast majority of his misses were in the 40-49 yard range and I was confused. So I never posted anything.

I still have no explanation for why he is so accurate from 39 in and 50+ but prior to this season struggled in the 40's.

I don't know. I am not sure judging a kicker in the worst environment is the best way, but I agree we will need to see how he holds up there.

He has checked a few boxes in my mind. He has a "plus leg". Looks like he can kick a 60 yarder if required. He at least has that distance ability.

He has also now kicked under pressure. The first few games were all normal pressure kicks. Yesterday, all were pressure kicks the team really needed.


The last you mentioned is a experience factor over an ability factor...or at least mostly experience.

I am sure that as the weather starts to turn, at least he, if not the trio of the FG specialists will be down at the stadium a practice or two a week with a coach and 2-3 ball boys to see how the ball sails in poor conditions.

Couple of snippets from Hey Terry

Chase McLaughlin is the 1st Browns kicker with 3 makes from 50+ in a season since Phil Dawson (2012).

Phil Dawson made seven field goals from at least 50 yards in 2012, his final season with the Browns.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/10...-scribbles.html

2012 was also the last time the Browns won on a West Coast trip.

Good....now we can go out and win.

I don't know how the team travels, or is the contract even allows, but I would hold a mid morning practice on Thurdsay in Berea, then leave directly from Berea to the airport and fly to LA on Thursday. Then conduct Friday and Saturday activities in LA so the guys clocks are geared for a 1PM west coast start.

I'd do the same for games on Mtn. time. I guess that is just Denver and Phoenix when we play out there...LV

The only difficulty there is in securing a facility that satisfies all of the covid protocols the league has, beyond that, it's exactly what I'd do. Get them out there and acclimated. Hell, maybe even do it Wednesday afternoon and start the new routine on Thursday. Have them settled and adjusted completely in time for Sunday.

I don't really disagree with you. I just know how quickly the fan base turns on a kicker. Often times NFL FO's follow suit. To me it's more about what I call the microwave society we now all live in. If it isn't done just right, right now, all the time, it's no good.

Patience is no longer a part of it.

Jamie Gillan this season….

Gross Punting Avg. 41.1 (29th)
Bet Punting Avg. 39.3 (25th)
493 yards (28th)
(Before today)

https://twitter.com/BrownsByBrad/status/1447328879744593920

Colquitt is a FA

LOL how this thread has turned from "kicker" to "punter."

I'm as frustrated at Gillian's punting as anybody...especially after punting in college myself. But with him goes our place-kicking holder. McLaughlin has far exceeded my expectations, and I'd hate to saddle him with adjusting to a new holder. So I think we're stuck for the season with Jamie. Field goals win SO many games...or loses them.

Just ditch the rugby style punters after this. PLEASE!

Edit: I never do spell McLaughlin's name right.

Looks close enough to me. Don't worry about the spelling.

As for Gillian, I am not all that worried about it. In the world of NFL punters, sometimes 1-2 yards on the average makes a big difference in the stats pecking order.

I think Gillian will have a little competition next season. Isn't his rookie contract over next year? Hard to believe analytics favors spending money on punters. Gillian not putting up Ray Guy type numbers tells me Berry is drafting or getting a new punter next year.

I do like Gillian. I just feel this is one of those positions we see turnover once a rookie contract ends.

The insanely strange thing about Gillan is that he was touted as having such a powerful leg. Weren't there stories about 60 or 70 yards blasts from him?

Maybe he just lacks the fine control in his golf swing.... like, he either booms it, or isn't too sure how far it's gonna go?

You might have a point, especially since my point between the best and average is just a few yards net, and some of that isn't even in the punters control. if the special teams unit gives up even a couple of long returns a punters net can get all balled up.

I don't think drafting a punter is something we would do. There are always experienced free agent punters out there.

Maybe his leg is tightening up from sitting on the bench so much more than usual?