I would say it's a good thing. Let's face it, there is a segment of this fan base that has been trashing the team and wants to pile on. It's important that the guys remain united during turbulent times. I've been on teams that had to deal w/outside adversity. Some unite and some fracture. They probably also addressed what to say--and not say--to the media and even on social media. A lot has been made of what Myles said about the booing. However, we had another player here who did the same thing and his wife was also involved and the fan and media reaction was completely different. If I was a player on this particular team, I would drive that point home hard! It's a cause that can help further unite the team and the mantra they have had all summer of "it's us against the world!"

Okay, but why did you not feel the same way when Baker criticized the fans?

Okay, but why did you not feel the same way when Baker criticized the fans?

Okay, but why did you not feel the same way when Baker criticized the fans?

Why did you feel that way when Baker did that but not Myles?

I chalk both of them off as being the same. Sometimes people say stupid things in the heat of the moment. Of all people you questioning people having a double standard about this is either sad or hilarious depending on one's point of view. Hell, maybe both.

Baker got traded. I think you know that.

Why do YOU bring him up all the time?

I did. That is when I stopped supporting the guy.

And this is somewhat different. Maker Babyfield was complaining about things people were saying about him. Myles is moaning about the team booing the D and team. I don't think many if any were booing Myles directly, but he is a defensive member of the team.

This is a little surprising.

I'm sorry, I did not know that. I wasn't on the board last year so I didn't comment on it one way or the other. However, I read the board occasionally and all I saw were people defending Baker or acting like it wasn't a big deal. All of a sudden, people are going off on Myles when what he said was far less noteworthy. And I see the Fabulous Baker Boys all made posts right after mine. I bet they were talking football and not about me....LOL. The dude isn't even on the team anymore and they are still fighting for him. Bunch of freaking hypocrites.

Chester Rogers time tonight

jc

just wanted to say i love the elf logo on the field. its unique, so different than anything else in the league, and really is a nice homage to the early era of the football team. think it's gonna look glorious tonight on TNF.

Njoku is a piece that can make our offense be another level. His ability to block really makes him versatile … and if you watch the game last night and see how far he’s come as a receiver, it’s crazy

Good news: JOK injury not thought to be serious

Nick Chubb is also averaging 113 yards per game.

Chubb is on pace for 1932 on the season. And it doesn't look, by any means, like we're taxing him.

339 yards from 4th place all time (Greg Pruitt) Browns RBs' ... in his 5th year no less ... entering into HOF territory at this pace.

j/c...

Ward needs to step it up. In week 2 he was the lowest graded defensive player per PFF in the entire NFL and kicks off week 3 with a team worst 27.5 grade. His overall coverage grade is 32.0 and he's ranked as the 91st out of 91 corners in the league.

339 yards from 4th place all time (Greg Pruitt) Browns RBs' ... in his 5th year no less ... entering into HOF territory at this pace.

Coop must absolutely love this offense. the defense has no choice but play man against him more often than they want to, because Chubb and Hunt is the #1 priority going into every game. man the way he runs routes is so damn smooth. he makes sideline/tip toe catches look routine. he's already put multiple DBs in salsa classes having them spun around during the route. i think having Njoku being a clear #2 target for Jacoby is working out great. i want to see more of the other WRs step up, but honestly DPJ is making some very clutch catches when we need them the most. and hell, maybe we don't need to worry about the other WRs because Bell is getting some looks, and our offense is run first anyway.

this is the kind of production we was hoping to get from OBJ, but Cooper is just perfect for this style of offense.

Man, Higgins would have been good to have third behind DPJ and COOP. He's way better than Shwartz at this point. TE Carlson is too.

JOK is such a hybrid type player that I fear injuries are always going to be an issue. It seems like we are using him in coverage way more this year so far.

If we threw the recordz out, and there waz a 3 game zeazon coming up, and this next game waz the opener.
At the Falconz
LA Charger at home,
and then New England at home.

What would the Brownz record be, what would be expected. 0-3, I-2 2-I or 3-0

$ince the Brownz can loze every opener, I have to think the Brownz can loze thi next game againt the Falconz.

0-0 Falcon Charger Patriot.

The Brown are a mizzed Field goal, and Pittpurgh from having a decent/ even average offene from being 0-3.

$o might az well hit rezet on the whole year.

Gregg Pruitt, my favorite player as a kid watching games. Sorry..... I just had to say that even though it has nothing to do with anything now.

That is what he was drafted for.

I thought the defense played better with takitaki and Phillips. Something tells me these guys should be getting more playing time than they were. As is often the case with guys like Walker they get the nod because of intangible reasons, not necessarily because they are better players.

As for JOK I'm disappointed his name hasn't been called more in terms of making big plays. I still have high hopes for him, but being injured two years in a row is also not good.

This is a little surprising.

Wow! 73% on 3rd downs and 78% on 4th down.

He’s going to be out for a while IMO. I really hope he wasn’t being reckless.

He’s going to be out for a while IMO. I really hope he wasn’t being reckless.

Trailing throttle oversteer in a Porsche will bite you every time.

it sounds like he might have some deep cuts or something... strange that they are keeping it so vague.

It's pretty obvious he was being reckless being no one else was involved.

Maybe a Raven or a small Bengal!!!!!

Kevin Stefanski not ruling Jadeveon Clowney out for Browns vs. Falcons: Quick hits
Updated: Sep. 26, 2022, 2:57 p.m.|Published: Sep. 26, 2022, 2:30 p.m.




By Dan Labbe, cleveland.com

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski wouldn’t rule out defensive end Jadeveon Clowney for Sunday’s road game in Atlanta. Clowney missed Thursday night’s win over the Steelers with an ankle injury suffered in the Browns’ Week 2 loss to the Jets.

He also didn’t offer much on linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (groin) or defensive tackle Taven Bryan (hamstring), both injured during Thursday night’s win.


“I have to get to Wednesday to see where everybody is,” Stefanski said.

Clowney was not out at practice on Monday but did walk through the locker room when it was open to media later.

Safety Ronnie Harrison Jr. was on the practice field after a hamstring injury suffered pregame kept him out of Thursday’s game, while left guard Joel Bitonio was on the side during Monday’s bonus practice nursing a biceps injury. He played through the injury Thursday and will likely do the same again this week.


Third-year linebacker Jacob Phillips will take over the MIKE duties from Anthony Walker Jr., whose season ended due to a torn quad tendon against the Steelers.

“Jacob is a very competitive young man. Played well in the last ball game. We are going to need him to continue to ascend, get better and those type of things,” Stefanski said. “He is definitely somebody who is excited about the opportunity.”

Sports betting comes to Ohio on Jan. 1, 2023: Your questions answered
Not so special

Last week was difficult for the Browns’ special teams. Kicker Cade York missed extra points against the Jets and Steelers. The Browns fell victim to a fake punt against the Jets and had a punt deflected by the Steelers. The Jets recovered an onside kick and the Steelers came dangerously close. Meanwhile, the return game has fallen flat.

“We need to get better in a bunch of different areas on our football team,” Stefanski said. “There are certainly things that we feel like we can clean up. That is part of what today was, really. We had a couple of special teams periods out there working on some things. A lot of it always goes back to technique and fundamentals.”


The Browns already made a change last week, keeping Demetric Felton Jr. inactive and using Chester Rogers as punt returner. Felton had been handling punts while rookie Jerome Ford handled kickoff return.

“Wanted to give Chester an opportunity as the punt returner there,” Stefanski said. “That was for that week. We will see if that is the direction we go this week. Demetric is a good football player. He is going to make a bunch of plays for us this season.”

Jack Conklin looked good Thursday night

Thursday night marked the return of right tackle Jack Conklin, who played for the first time since Nov. 28 last season.

“I thought he played well. It looked like the old Jack to me,” Stefanski said. “He was playing very physical. He has looked good in practice. I mentioned to you guys, he is stronger than I think he has ever been. He worked so hard this whole offseason. Good to see him out there.”

Conklin was held out of the first two games of the season, a game-time decision both weeks.


“I appreciate the team letting me get my health back to where I can come out tonight at full strength,” he said after Thursday’s game. “I felt great and comfortable out there. Could not be happier with how the team played. Great team win.”

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...ut-for-browns-vs-falcons-quick-hits.html

Still trying to figure out how he fit in that Porsche.

I hope the Browns follow the advice of the doctors who are involved in caring for injuries Myles suffered in the accident.

Browns LT Jedrick Wills ranks 2nd in pass block win rate through week 3

Thoughts?

Browns LT Jedrick Wills ranks 2nd in pass block win rate through week 3

Thoughts?

Browns LT Jedrick Wills ranks 2nd in pass block win rate through week 3

Thoughts?

I think what he's saying is Depo will make the final call.

I remember an interview with Joe Thomas in the off-season, and he said Wills has to play with greater consistency. I’m not gonna bother trying to find a link, you all just have to trust me.

I took it - and this is just my interpretation- as JT saying ‘gotta focus, work harder to develop the consistency needed to perform at a high level’.

Hope he continues to improve and stays healthy...but this stat is rather meaningless if it doesn't take double team/chip blocks into consideration.

We created better pass-rusher and pass-blocker stats: How they work

As a unit, the Rams' Pass Block Win Rate went from 35 percent in 2016 (30th in the league) to 55 percent in 2017 (second in the league). Chris Williams/Icon Sportswire
Oct 5, 2018
Brian Burke
ESPN Analytics

ESPN Analytics is pleased to present a revolutionary new way of measuring the pass-block and pass-rush performance of individual NFL players. Read the abbreviated explanation on how they work, or skip to the full details on why they matter and what they can tell us. And see what's new for 2019.

OK, what is this exactly?
Our new Pass Block Win Rate metric tells us the rate at which linemen can sustain their blocks for 2.5 seconds or longer. Likewise, our Pass Rush Win Rate metric tells us how often a pass-rusher is able to beat his block within 2.5 seconds. Our model of pass blocking harnesses player tracking data from NFL Next Gen Stats.


So, what can these stats help show?
Now we finally have objective individual stats for linemen for their most critical tasks -- defending and attacking the passer. We can also know who is blocking whom on every snap, who was double-teamed, who got pressure from the edges and who got pressure by collapsing the pocket. The end result is that we can assess individual performance and team-level performance in the trenches separate and apart from the performance of the quarterback, receivers and secondary.

How do they work?
It's actually pretty simple -- there's no fancy machine learning involved. Our model uses the location, proximity and orientation of each player relative to every other player throughout a play to determine who is blocking whom. When a pass-rusher beats his block, we can tell which blocker allowed the pressure. And just as importantly, we know how long after the snap it occurred.


Why are they better than stats?
Metrics like QB pressures and time in pocket might be useful, but they can be misleading. A QB pressure can occur for several reasons other than unreliable pass protection, such as good coverage, poor route-running or missed reads by the quarterback. Our win rate metric isolates line play from those other factors. Also, time in pocket metrics don't know the difference between a quick read and release by the quarterback and ineffective pass protection. If a passer throws at 1.8 seconds after the snap, does that mean he only had 1.8 seconds to throw, or did he execute his read quickly? Our metrics know the difference.

Where could these stats lead?

You might find these metrics appear on various ESPN shows and in our articles. When you see Pass Block Win Rate (PBWR) or Pass Rush Win Rate (PRWR) powered by Next Gen Stats, these metrics are what we're referring to. These stats offer a novel way of understanding what drives the success or failure of pass offenses and defenses. We can now objectively assess individual player performance quickly and accurately, at a scale and scope not possible before. We can marry our metrics to other advanced metrics such as expected points and win probability to directly measure the effect individual performance has on team success.

What's new in 2019 for PBWR and PRWR?
Our pass-blocking and pass-rushing metrics have been in use for more than a full season now, and we've learned a tremendous amount since we rolled out the initial version. This was one of the first major projects using player tracking in football, and much of our efforts are quite experimental. Although we were thrilled with the initial results from our metrics, we've made a number of significant improvements for 2019:

Improved handling of double-teams: We corrected a number of false positive rush-wins when a rusher beats one lineman in the double-team but not the other. Additionally, we were previously tallying only double-teams between two offensive linemen. Now we tally double-teams regardless of the position combination, so running backs and tight ends count too.

Improved handling of unusual pocket geometries: In an effort to capture when a rusher is able to collapse a pocket, we analyzed pocket geometry throughout each pass play. But our logic was often fooled whenever the pocket became "convex" (bending away from QB instead of around him), making it appear the rusher has caved the pocket when he hasn't. We've fixed this.

Corrected occasional false positive rush wins: Our algorithm depends on proximity and orientation to determine who is blocking whom. So when a blocker is slow to engage immediately after the snap, it can look like a rusher is unblocked. Similarly, if there is about to be a double-team and the nearer blocker is slow to engage, it could appear as though the rusher has instantly beaten the block from the more distant blocker. This also was fixed.

Significantly improved identification of which players are truly blocking and rushing: Our original logic merely defined rushers as defenders who crossed the line of scrimmage and defined blockers as offensive players who did not cross the line of scrimmage. This was acceptable for the vast majority of rushers and blockers, but wasn't very accurate for tight ends, backs and linebackers. The new logic is adapted from our latest player tracking project and is much more accurate. Block-and-go-type releases by tight ends and backs who do not cross the line of scrimmage are no longer counted against them as pass-block losses (and no longer count as pass-rush wins for the defender who is released).

Team-level PBWR and PRWR summary calculations now use the same logic as the individual-level metrics: We previously used a slightly different way of calculating the rates for teams than for individuals, but our improvements this year help lessen the need for different methods.


We can expect the improvements to cause PBWR numbers to increase and PRWR numbers to decrease as a whole. Double-team rate numbers will increase. The bottom line is that overall accuracy is substantially improved.

All the details on PBWR and PRWR
What they can do
Finally, an objective, meaningful stat for individual linemen and pass-rushers. Blocking and beating blocks are at the heart of football, but are among the most overlooked aspects of the sport. Pass Block Win Rate and Pass Rush Win Rate can tell us which linemen are having the biggest effect on their team's fortunes, and which are holding their team back. We can also now catalog every block on every pass play. We know who blocked whom and how long that block was sustained, which is the key to our metrics' effectiveness.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...g-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work

What in the hell are you talking about? The article clearly explained how the grading process works. And it is not a site I frequent. I did a quick search. It was right at the top of the page. Your claim was fabricated. I recognize you won't admit to being wrong, but others will see the truth if they take the time to read the article. You laughing emoji won't change that.

Improved handling of double-teams: We corrected a number of false positive rush-wins when a rusher beats one lineman in the double-team but not the other. Additionally, we were previously tallying only double-teams between two offensive linemen. Now we tally double-teams regardless of the position combination, so running backs and tight ends count too.

i dunno why people are hating on Wills.

is he not part of the offensive line that has us leading the league in rushing? or is that another LT that i'm not aware of starting for the browns.

is he not the LT that isn't letting JB getting destroyed from the blind side and allowing him to make really good plays in the passing game? or is that another LT starting for the browns this year that i'm not aware of.

he doesn't need to be the best LT in the league. he just need to continue doing what he's doing, which is helping us lead the league in rushing and making JB look like a legit NFL starting QB.

i get we all love stats and grades, but at some point the eye test still needs to the primary factor. and the eye test says Wills is doing just fine so far.

I think we all guessed/recognised you can't flip a car 'several times' without going pretty fast. Even a light weight sports car like MG's Porsche. Honestly - 65 in a 45 isn't as bad as I feared. Bottom line.... hope he gets healthy - hope he participates in some driving school which will probably be mandatory, and move on and be better and safer the other side of this.

They're citing him with failure to control. They know his record of "speed"... but can't accurately predict it in this case. It was probably much faster than 65. You have troopers being lenient because they're happy they weren't prying dead bodies from the car... and probably think there is a good chance Myles has learned his lesson.

They're citing him with failure to control. They know his record of "speed"... but can't accurately predict it in this case. It was probably much faster than 65. You have troopers being lenient because they're happy they weren't prying dead bodies from the car... and probably think there is a good chance Myles has learned his lesson.

Hmm... didn't know we had a witness. Did the witness see Rudolph crossing the road??

What happened to the "deer"?

i dunno why people are hating on Wills.

is he not part of the offensive line that has us leading the league in rushing? or is that another LT that i'm not aware of starting for the browns.

is he not the LT that isn't letting JB getting destroyed from the blind side and allowing him to make really good plays in the passing game? or is that another LT starting for the browns this year that i'm not aware of.

he doesn't need to be the best LT in the league. he just need to continue doing what he's doing, which is helping us lead the league in rushing and making JB look like a legit NFL starting QB.

i get we all love stats and grades, but at some point the eye test still needs to the primary factor. and the eye test says Wills is doing just fine so far.

The four legged one or the two legged one?

Willis isn't J Thomas, he looked BAD on that play, but he's rated pretty good by PFF on pass blocking....next subject, PAUL HARVEY the rest of the story.....I supported Miles about the deer and YADDA, YADDA, YADDA....now he's doing 65 in 45 on rainy roads...he's a TEAM LEADER- Browns doing NOTHING against their SUPER STAR isn't good....FINE his butt, heavily ...he bitched about rookie DT not being a professional.....calling the kettle black....he owes the team an apology. Availability counts....this sucks for a so called leader.

He may not have swerved in that case.

I think intelligent people understand that using only one source is not a good way to measure things unless you are only attempting to convince others of your own particular biased opinion. For example, in this case a person who wants to say that Wills is really good would ignore the PFF score and the tape and point just to the pass blocking won/loss rate. A person who wants to say he sucks would ignore the won/loss pass blocking rate and the tape and only use the PFF score. Both would ignore that it is early in the season.

An unbiased person who only seeks the truth would consider the PFF grade, the Won/Loss pass blocking grade, the tape, and the fact that the data is limited due to it being early in the season.

I think you already know all this....LOL.......but, it's worth noting.

We need to hire the Dolphins medical staff... pronto.

Yep.

The eye test usually works!

I really disagree w/you about Stefanski. I like his scheme. I think he dials up a ton of short passes and pounds the rock w/Brissett. I think his use of the ZBS is very good. Dude was NFL coach of the year just two years ago.

I think our defense improved as the year progressed and it should be even better this upcoming year.

Its simple, this FO and Coaching staff aren't going to be the ones to get us where we want to go. Same issues since game 1, bad coaching on defense, bad situational playcalling on offense, and lack of talent in the front 7 and receiver. Berry gets too much love IMO, this is just as much his issue as anyones. You can't go into the year with tommy freaking Togai as your starting DT.. Our DT's and LBs are some of the worst if not the worst in the league. This was evidenced today by watching a team realize that if we attack them with the run game it's over. Don't think the other 31 teams don't see the same thing. We are toast. Berry has done nothing to address this, despite guys like Suh and Blake Martinez sitting there and could immediately help. Then on the offensive side you have cooper and then a bunch of guys that might be good enough for ST for most teams, so what is going to happen when they just double him and make other guys beat him. Berry sticks with losers too long and doesn't admit his mistakes. Majority of the talent on this team was brought in by Dorsey. Berry has done his best to break it down to almost unwatchable. Tons of great young coaches in the NFL, we need to stop settling for average, and Stefanski is barely that and Woods can't even see that from the rung he's on. Biggest thing outside of playcalling is these players aren't getting coached to be better, either that or we are drafting low ceiling guys. Not going for the FG in the 1st drive and then having a 1st and goal at the 1 with the best two backs in the NFL and come away with only 3 shows how bad Stefanski really is. He has no feel.

I'm not going to rant and rave as I have done in the past. We could easily be 4-0 and the talk of the league. We're not. Today was another disappointing loss in a long list of them. Not as Bad as the Jets loss but not good. We were down too many good starters for this game and still nearly won. I can't understand why this team fails so badly in the 4th Qtr. game after game when our coaches know what the problem is. I mean they have to know right it happens all the time and they don't fix it? DW"s return is not going to fix this. It has to be done now. 2 losses by 4 points; the difference between being on top of the league undefeated and what we are. It makes me sick and be prepared my fellow Browns fans because now it's going to get harder.

Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.

The Browns are an average football team with an average coaching staff. It is what it is.

Another unnecessary loss mostly because of bad decision making from our coaches.

This game highlights the tenuous grip kS has on this team.

If I were haslam, this is what would be in the works for tomorrow morning:

Woods will be met at the door. Escorted to his office and allowed to pack a box. Then walked to his car and watched until he was off the premises. This a$$hole has squandered an all-star roster and fielded a dis-organized mess after 3 years of “leading.”

I would then meet KS in his office. He would be asked why in the hell he has fallen on the hand grenade for this coach as he took this all-star roster and made them the laughingstock of the league. I would demand an adequate answer. And it better be good.

I would then demand that the play calling be handed to Alex. Non-negotiable. If this is a problem, then we’ll wish you luck in your next endeavors.

The goodwill that KS earned in his “coach of the year” season is officially gone. He is, and should be, on the hot seat. There should NOT be any discussion of injuries and challenges they have faced this year. That is BS and a cop out. We have a roster most teams would kill for.

They have managed to build a championship roster. Berry did that and he should be safe - for now. I hate the Watson trade and if it doesn’t directly lead to a Super Bowl, I’ll question this front office. Even still, Watson is a dirt-bag and it will absolutely taint any success we have for me. I digress. Obviously, there are holes. Every team has them. And We do. But this team has the talent to win and it doesn’t. This is the coaching staff. Woods has had this team for 3 YEARS! And they look LOST! This defense is indefensible.

You want to let this crap go down on your team, haslam? Fine. But we deserve better. And if this Head Coach won’t course correct, then you have to. How many $hit sandwiches are we supposed to be forced to eat? How long before this torchured fan-base finally has enough? How many rebuilds, coaching changes, roster rebuilds and embarrassments do we have to endure?

I wish we as fans could quit this team for a while - truly hit this ownership in the wallet for once. But it won’t happen. They know we are too committed to this team. They know it’s a culture. And that’s why they know they will never be held accountable.

I know this is was week 4, but I am as disheartened as I’ve been in years.

Our defense should be embarrassed

Our playcalling was really questionable IMO

They took away our screen game and it destroyed us … props to them

Wasted opportunity for a w, but I knew we were up against it.

That sucks

14 straight successful running plays to essentially close out the game. Inexcusable and unacceptable. Someone needs to be held accountable and it starts with Stefanski. The are no excuses why this team isn’t 4-0. Brissett has proven he can’t close out. Hence the backup designation. No real blame there.

Stephanski is a poor play caller ... but he will get yet another pass this year because of the Watson fiasco
Joe Woods defense is too soft
This team is poorly coached and situationally ill-prepared
This team will be too far gone to make the playoffs even if Watson goes 6-0 when he comes back
Haslam is going to have a tough decision at years end regarding this coaching staff. If it were me I would tell Stephanski, give up play calling or there's the door.

Hate to say, "I told you so!"

Why does he have to reconsider? He's entitled to his own opinion.

Have you reconsidered your opinion on Baker? He was really bad when he played for the Browns. He's been worse than that, if it's believable, with the Panthers.

Maybe Bakers shortcomings as a QB limited the plays
That Stefanski could dial up as a playcaller.
Let's face it, Mayfield really struggles when he has
To improvise when the play breaks down
Mayfield needs a running game behind him to even look
Average. He is so limited as a QB, he really hamstrings
The playbook and the playcaller.
Baker should be renamed Brady Anderson Jr.
He is really struggling big time in Carolina..
He can't see over the linemen without rolling out.
None of the WRs want him as the starting QB.
His TD to INT is bad. He can barely throw for 190 yds
In a single game. He isn't showing leadership.

I am asking you all to drop it.

It takes 2 people to keep an argument, especially a stupid one, going. Stupid arguments also die in silence.

There was a time when I read every single thread on the boards. (In PF, GD, and EE, anyway) Not anymore, The arguments have become stupid and petty.

Man, it's like 3rd grade sometimes.

Actually, I have all those guys on ignore. Yet, they won't stop. Just sayin'.

Do you ever accept any accountability for anything?

"They won't stop"... so the problem is that other posters have the gall to respond to your Baker posts. Do you realize how that sounds??

Maybe Bakers shortcomings as a QB limited the plays
That Stefanski could dial up as a playcaller.

j/c

Besides the fact that Baker wasn’t getting it done last season, i still recognized that he helped to make us viable again. But he also always had little quotes and actions off the field that were unbecoming. We’re seeing it again in Carolina (and his play is FAR worse there)

Actually, I have all those guys on ignore. Yet, they won't stop. Just sayin'.

j/c...

Ready your barf bags....

Jordan Elliott has an overall PFF grade of 29.5 on the season. Ranked 126th out of 127 DTs.

Tommy Togiai has and overall PFF grade of 28.5 on the season. Ranked 127th out of 127 DTs.

Jacob Phillips has an overall PFF grade of 28.8 on the season. Raked 80th out of 81 LBs. The Anthony Walker loss was a huge blow to the defense. He was the 5th highest rated LB.

Jacob Phillips had a grade of 27.3 against the Falcons.

j/c...

Ready your barf bags....

Jordan Elliott has an overall PFF grade of 29.5 on the season. Ranked 126th out of 127 DTs.

Tommy Togiai has and overall PFF grade of 28.5 on the season. Ranked 127th out of 127 DTs.

Jacob Phillips has an overall PFF grade of 28.8 on the season. Raked 80th out of 81 LBs. The Anthony Walker loss was a huge blow to the defense. He was the 5th highest rated LB.

Jacob Phillips had a grade of 27.3 against the Falcons.

The only thing I will say is it may be as Pit mentioned and they consider this a throwaway season and look to retool this offseason and start with Watson game one.

Jordan Elliott has an overall PFF grade of 29.5 on the season. Ranked 126th out of 127 DTs.

Tommy Togiai has and overall PFF grade of 28.5 on the season. Ranked 127th out of 127 DTs.

Did one of guards get hurt yesterday?

So we have the two worst DT in the league that have enough snaps to qualify

I disagree. I like you Homes, but you are listening to the wrong set of folks on here. They are wrong about almost every freaking football topic that comes across the board. We have a very good group of people here that actually work together. Berry and Stefanski are an excellent team. Well above average. Some are blaming them for the Baker thing, but they were right and the facts are proving that to be true.

j/c...

No offense, but I think that idea is absurd. We tanked years ago. We are not throwing this season away.

Gag.

I really don't get your point. It would be a mistake for Stefanski to take over the defense. That's not his area of expertise.

@Vers.

I have no problem at all to admit that I’m inferior to your knowledge regarding American football. I have only been a supporter for 5 years and I’m still learning but better late then never. I’m almost 60 years old so my learning process is maybe a bit slower to when I was younger. Maybe you should help others with less knowledge then just being disrespectful whenever you disagree in a subject? Come up with good arguments helps. Just a thought.

Another question.

Do you think only football knowledge counts when it comes to judging managers, coaches and players?

Despite outcry, Browns offense is excellent on 4th down conversions


Cory Kinnan
October 3, 2022 7:59 pm ET


Whether it is liked by the fanbase or not, the Cleveland Browns are not going to stop going for it on 4th down. And they have good reason to stick with their process because they are quite good at it and they know it. The players love it, the analytics guys within the organization love it, and the 4th down attempts are not going to slow down.

Thus far in 2022, the Browns are tied for sixth in the NFL in 4th down conversions, executing on 66.67 percent of their attempts. On nine attempts this season, the Browns have converted six of them. This is a big step up from a year ago (gazes at the quarterback in Carolina), as the Browns converted just 41 percent of their attempts in 2021.


Using a full season’s worth of data a year ago, only the New England Patriots tallied a higher mark than what the Browns are currently toating through the first four games of the season. The average 4th down conversion rate a year ago was just under 52 percent as well. Over the past two seasons, the Browns are a total of 7-of-13 in the opposition’s redzone on 4th down as well.


This is a bet the Browns are willing to make every single time.

“We’re an aggressive offense. Stuff like that excites me. We’re not afraid to put it all on the line.” -TE David Njoku (via Mary Kay Cabot)

This is in their nature, their identity. They are a process-driven team, and Stefanski has said as much. The Browns are not going to compromise on that as it has been a staple of the Stefanski era thus far.

And they have no reason to despite a failed attempt on their opening drive against the Falcons.

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most of the successful 4th down conversions were QB sneaks, i suspect, where Brisset is probably the best in the game.

in fact, it is something i pleaded with them to do on the 2nd and goal from the 1 at the end of the half against the falcons.

most of the successful 4th down conversions were QB sneaks, i suspect, where Brisset is probably the best in the game.

in fact, it is something i pleaded with them to do on the 2nd and goal from the 1 at the end of the half against the falcons.

PFF GRADES THROUGH 4-weeks

While I think not highly of you, you nailed it here. These "grades"? How do they matter? Who won, who lost, that is all that matters.

Did the Browns WIN THE GAME...?

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS...!!

The only stats that matter are on the SCOREBOARD..!

guys.....looks like we gotta find a way to cut the stadium power off once the 3rd quarter ends. then we'll be ok.

Film Room: LB Sione Takitaki is a consistent positive presense for Browns



Cory Kinnan
October 5, 2022 7:00 am ET

The Cleveland Browns have been anything but consistent on the defensive side of the football. However, one player who continues to play a sound and dependable brand of football is SAM linebacker Sione Takitaki.

Playing out his contract year with the Browns, Takitaki may be having his best season yet in Cleveland. And now with the mounting injuries defensively (especially losing Anthony Walker Jr. for the season), the Browns are already asking more of Takitaki. One has to wonder if they could ask even more of him as they try to fill the void at MIKE linebacker.



As the Browns enter Week 5 looking to rebound against the Los Angeles Chargers, we take a look at Takitaki’s tape from 2022 and where the 27-year-old linebacker could go from here.

What do the analytics say on Takitaki?
The former 2019 third round draft pick has been a dynamic run defender since entering the league. According to PFF, he has always posted strong run defense and tackling grades from his SAM post for the Browns.

Over the past two seasons, however, there has been a significant uptick in his coverage grade as well. His grade has improved by 30 points over from his first two seasons to his last two seasons.

Thus far in 2022, Takitaki is seeing some of his highest marks yet. His run defense grade may not be the highest it has ever been, but he still finds himself in the green with a grade of 66.6. His tackling grade sits at an excellent 81.6, with his coverage grade rising all the way up to 73.9. Takitaki currently sits with his highest pass rush grade of his career through four in 2022, as he touts a grade of 67.4. Overall, Takitaki is sitting with a career-high PFF grade with a total of 74.2.

Now that we have nerded out a bit on Takitaki for contextual purposes, we now turn on the tape.


A physical presense who is not afraid of contact

There are few players in the league who know their role is predominantly to do the dirty work and keep their teammates clean. Takitaki is one of those players who knows his role and is more than happy to do it.

His numbers will not show up in the scoreboard, but his reps sure do pop on tape. A physical presense on the defensive side of the football for the Browns, Takitaki is not afraid to take full backs and pulling blockers to fulfill his responsibility and make life easier on Jacob Phillips and Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah.

His level of physicality and ability to blow up lead blockers has even proven to blow up entire run designs and give running backs nowhere to breathe. There is no other linebacker on the roster, and maybe even another player completely, who has the mentality to take on this job.

To pour even more favor into Takitaki’s lap, he has been charted on 82 special teams reps as well. Again, Takitaki is the kind of player worth keeping on your roster.


Assignment sound who is disciplined to his gap

The killer for the Browns’ defense against the Atlanta Falcons came down to the wandering eyes of Phillips on a handful of occasions. This is another reasons to feel comfortable should the Browns put more on Takitaki’s plate: he is a disciplined player who will not get his eyes caught chasing the football.

If Takitaki is responsible for setting the edge, he will set the edge. If he is responsible for playing the backside C-gap, you had better believe he will be in position to make a play should the ball carrier decide to attack a cutback lane. This is littered on his tape as Takitaki is a player the Browns can put on the field without fearing that he will work himself out of position.

And it helps that he has not been charted with a missed tackle through four weeks as well. The fourth-year linebacker is just a sound, solid football player when he is on the field.


He's even shown some savvy in coverage

Given that he is the SAM linebacker, Takitaki has not been asked to play in coverage a great deal. However, NFL teams love to throw the ball out of 12 and 13 personnel, packages where the Browns would realistically come out in base.

Takitaki has a couple highlight interceptions in his career as well, including a pick-six off of Carson Wentz in a 2020 victory, as well as a game-sealing interception to wrap up Cleveland’s first playoff win since returning in 1999 as well.

To much surprise, Takitaki’s framework in coverage is a bit more advanced than expected when watching his tape from this season back again. He shows the ability to feel out routes up the seam and crossers over the middle of field, shows no difficulty sticking running backs out of the backfield, and even trailing them down the field as well.

The Browns have already gotten to a desperate point at linebacker, where Takitaki was on the field 75 percent of snaps against the Falcons as opposed to his normal 20 percent. However, keeping their usual SAM linebacker on the field more often has not compromised their attack in coverage one bit.

What is next for Takitaki?
Takitaki is entering the last season of his contract with the Browns, and there is a great deal of unknown beyond 2022. As SAM linebackers are a dying breed (he typically plays around 18 snaps per game), his price tag should not be too steep.

The player he most compares to on the open market is linebacker Frankie Luvu, who plays for the Carolina Panthers. During the 2021 offseason, Luvu was given a two-year deal worth just $4 million annually. This is a deal the Browns should do for Takitaki in a heartbeat to keep one of their most consistent and physical defenders.

With Anthony Walker Jr. out for the season, and with Jacob Phillips continuing to struggle, the Browns may even want to consider plugging in Takitaki at MIKE. All he needs to do is do his job and remain disciplined, which is something Phillips has had difficulties doing.

He is assignment sound, a physical thumper, and has even shown a decent framework and solid instincts in coverage as well. The Browns already have a solid football player in Takitaki, but could make a move to try and pull even more out of him and the defense.


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Well, he’s a good blocker

j/c...

j/c...

Bring him in.

“If you listen to the fans, you'll find yourself sitting with them”

j/c:


Yup.

j/c...

Bring him in.

Before the season, you said you were not going to watch the Browns any longer. I remember you were happy about having your Sundays free. Have you changed your mind? If not, how can you state these things about the team?

Berry makes the roster decisions. He consults with his coaches but he makes the final call.

Stefanski delegates Wood to defense. But he holds the responsibility for the team.

What does that ^ have to do with football? Or the thread topic? Or your boy Baker?

J/C

This is something that I “argue” about with some friends and family members who aren’t fans of Stefanski. Their argument: “he has no fire, doesn’t yell or scream or seem to care.”

IMO, his demeanor is the RIGHT way to coach for lasting success. I think he’s a good leader and very mindful. Sometimes yelling, screaming coaches wear out their welcome very quickly.

There's no right or wrong way to succeed as a HC. They all have their own recipe to get results.


How do you know Ski is a good leader and what's the definition of a "good" leader?
Is there a blue print for being a "good leader"?

Before the season, you said you were not going to watch the Browns any longer. I remember you were happy about having your Sundays free. Have you changed your mind? If not, how can you state these things about the team?

I own this site, so I can't just go away, beg that my account be banned, and not come here when there is a player I don't like on the roster, unlike someone else around here.

It was a legit football question..

No, no it wasn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

No, no it wasn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

It was totally legitimate. You said you weren't going to watch the games. You are commenting on the games. That begs the question "are you watching the games?".

I'm struggling to figure out why that's not a legitimate question.

It was a legitimate question. I was wondering if he changed his mind about watching the games. That would not be a sin. I was curious because he was speaking in a "voice" that was absolutely sure of what he was saying.

No one should be surprised that the same folks who dictate what people can say on this board jumped all over it. They are permitted to get away w/it. Hell, the other day, I was accused of masturbating because I posted PFF numbers for Jacoby and Baker. No suspensions. They even left the post up. Pure Football, baby. There are reasons why so many long-time posters left. The ugly tone of the Political forum has made its way to other forums and if you take a look, it's the same guys who post a lot in both forums that cause most of the trouble.