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Andrew Berry made the move to release Richard LeCount yesterday
To make room for oline help.
Tell how Anthony Schwartz is still on this roster??
He contributes nothing on Sundays other than getting
Donuts and coffee for the coaching staff pre game
I don't understand Berry's infatuation and love for this WR.
He is a 3rd RD pick that has shown no ability to play
At this level in 2 years.
You don't draft developmental players in RD 3. You draft
Players that can step on the field and make plays right away
He is worse than Greg Little, Travis Wilson , and Paul Hubbard.
Berry is so in love with the WR room now and it's the weakest
Unit on the whole roster
There are FA WRs waiting to be signed that can be upgrades
Over Schwartz. Schwartz is a flag football player at best
I think analytics probably show how much he can do for our offense with different personnel groupings and expanding the field both ways.

I think everyone’s eyes say he stinks.

He’s certainly not done much for us to justify a spot.
Admit it. It would be hard to replace his production.

Remind me what he has done. We could use a run stuffer, I have heard.
I saw him on the field for a bit in the last game (Falcons). My first thought was, "Don't throw the ball to him!"

Hopefully if they keep him he'll prove us all wrong. But I wouldn't bet on it.
It's the Browns and it's analytics so @ue-sera-sera.
give the kid a break
give the kid a break
break him off a piece of that kit-kat bar.

It'd be nice to see a really really well coached game next kickoff.
He’s done next to nothing. Cut! Seriously, he’s been close to useless.
He is Berry's boy named Sven. He will survive his contract.

With all the roster moves the last day or so, I am not even sure who we picked up....that Dline player? Could be they have some sort of roster balance between D and O they want to maintain. I know everybody is down on Schwantz, but it's not like LeCounte did anything of note.
Posted By: BpG Re: How is Anthony Schwartz still on the roster? - 10/05/22 03:42 PM
Huge bust. Dude doesn't have a catch in three straight. Gambled on the speed and lost.

Doesn't even get involved on jet sweeps, can't even hand him the ball lmao
I'm guessing they want to see what he does with Watson.
FYI Berry is the guy that drafted Corey Coleman too. Sashi was the defacto GM at the time but the player rankings were done by Berry and the Scouts.
Berry/Sashi was trying to give Hue what he wanted. Sadly, Hue is horrible at judging what he needs.
I doubt that Hue wanted Corey Coleman over Wentz or Goff.
i think Hue wanted Goff, but Goff went before we were scheduled to pick. I don't think he wanted Wentz. After we decided to trade down, I think Hue wanted speed/playmaking at WR. 2016 feels like a long time ago, and you couldn't trust what they were saying even back then. *shrug*

Berry and Sashi strike me as people that try to give their HC what he wants, within reason. Hue has always been somewhat of a my way or the highway ("I'm driving the bus") guy. Sadly once Hue got his way in Coleman (just my impression), Coleman was unwilling to do things Hue's way. Throw in broken hands and all the other dysfunction, and it didn't end well.

Imagine if we'd taken Dak instead of Kessler? Actually, it's probably better not to at this point.



The path it took to get to this regime was definitely painful. I'm content with Berry/Stefanski. Hopefully, they can grow together for awhile.
I do not know how Schwartz will turn out. But I do know we have had other players who were proclaimed busts, worthless, hot garbage etc and yet turned out decent players. Taki taki comes to mind. The article on here talks about how he has developed into a solid linebacker for us in year four. By year two our resident experts were proclaiming him a bust . But now he is productive and an important part of our defense.

While true that Schwartz was a 3rd round pick, he came from a run dominant offense and did not have a great deal of experience. Our leadership knew he would take time to develop. Let’s give him a chance.
No idea about other players but I've seen and read multiple times that Goff was the guy Hue wanted that draft and he was never an option. Two years of wentz in Philly and most thought we'd missed out on a FQB, but that went south pretty quickly.
N00dz.
It's hard for me to judge him.

At this point, I know JB didn't target Cooper during the Atlanta game because of the coverage on him.

JB likes to overthrow his receivers on long routes to avoid a turn over

Maybe they need to cut Schwartz loose and let JB throw it long and have Schwartz run under it for the catch

That is if he can hold onto the ball

If Schwartz gets comfortable and starts holding onto the ball

That could be a nice thing to see
Schwartz does have an attribute that cannot be taught nor learned...and Berry used a 3rd Rd pick on him...there's the answer to the OP.

I think the better question is why is Mond and Felton on the roster? Mond appears to be a play for '23 (giving a nod towards this being a throw-away year)...and Felton is the LAST RB and WR on the team (who did not even field punts when Rogers wasn't active).

We wouldn't miss any of the (3) guys if they were released...drop Mond and Feton and pickup Suh and Richardson...at least they might see the field in '22.
Originally Posted by WSU Willie
Schwartz does have an attribute that cannot be taught nor learned...and Berry used a 3rd Rd pick on him...there's the answer to the OP.

I think the better question is why is Mond and Felton on the roster? Mond appears to be a play for '23 (giving a nod towards this being a throw-away year)...and Felton is the LAST RB and WR on the team (who did not even field punts when Rogers wasn't active).

We wouldn't miss any of the (3) guys if they were released...drop Mond and Feton and pickup Suh and Richardson...at least they might see the field in '22.

I agree on felton. The guy has been moved around and can't get anything right.

As for Mond, I think the Browns feel that Brissett is going to be too expensive to sign, if we can sign him at all. I think we keep him around with the eye on him to be the long term back-up to Watson. They do have similar abilities which would allow us to more or less keep running the O as we would for Watson.

I expect Brissett to move on to at least have a chance at a starting job and we sign Mond to a 3-4 year back-up deal.
Brissett will always have a job as a bridge Qb as long as he wants it. He does the biggest thing you want in that type of QB, protects the ball. You will win some and lose some and most of the time it will be in the most unspectacular fashion, but you'll survive. JB will get another pretty decent contract from a QB hungry team...funny thing is, that might be Carolina next year. Besides, I think Dobbs has shown enough that he could be a great backup to groom behind Watson.. but on topic, I think they are giving Schwartz his 3 year tryout. Same with Phillips, I don't see either being here next year. But I would cut both of them if it meant bringing in a Suh, richardson, or martinez, or even some legit Wr help
Originally Posted by WSU Willie
Schwartz does have an attribute that cannot be taught nor learned...and Berry used a 3rd Rd pick on him...there's the answer to the OP.

I think the better question is why is Mond and Felton on the roster? Mond appears to be a play for '23 (giving a nod towards this being a throw-away year)...and Felton is the LAST RB and WR on the team (who did not even field punts when Rogers wasn't active).

We wouldn't miss any of the (3) guys if they were released...drop Mond and Feton and pickup Suh and Richardson...at least they might see the field in '22.
Schwartz is a dime a dozen straight line fast WR
That every college program has on its roster.
So in that regard Schwartz offers nothing unique
He is definition of a draft bust
Berry could have drafted Amon st. Brown of the Lions
Instead of Schwartz
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Originally Posted by WSU Willie
Schwartz does have an attribute that cannot be taught nor learned...and Berry used a 3rd Rd pick on him...there's the answer to the OP.

I think the better question is why is Mond and Felton on the roster? Mond appears to be a play for '23 (giving a nod towards this being a throw-away year)...and Felton is the LAST RB and WR on the team (who did not even field punts when Rogers wasn't active).

We wouldn't miss any of the (3) guys if they were released...drop Mond and Feton and pickup Suh and Richardson...at least they might see the field in '22.
Schwartz is a dime a dozen straight line fast WR
That every college program has on its roster.
So in that regard Schwartz offers nothing unique
He is definition of a draft bust
Berry could have drafted Amon st. Brown of the Lions
Instead of Schwartz

FWIW...I'm not disagreeing with you...I just answered the question in the thread title.
Let’s bump this thread because we are still wondering. He’s wasting a roster spot
He's our late season secret weapon.
j/c,

I think that when we finally activate Woods II to play, then we will start to see less and less of Schwartz.
I heard that he's got pics of KS's wife and that he threatened to give them to Zach Wilson if he's cut. LOL
Originally Posted by dawg66
I heard that he's got pics of KS's wife and that he threatened to give them to Zach Wilson if he's cut. LOL

Like I said, n00dz. Not sure who. Not sure how. But it's the only explanation.
Lol
5 Games played, 1 reception, 3 Targets, 19 yards. Wow.
Originally Posted by DaveyD
5 Games played, 1 reception, 3 Targets, 19 yards. Wow.

11 receptions for 154 yds.... career.
Wow. I had no idea it was that bad.
Clearly Berry is letting his ego interfere with making sound football decisions.

OK...it may not be quite to that point, but it is close. Pretty soon we are going to run out of players as bad as him to release when we are forced in to some sort of roster move.

As far as I can tell the guy can't even help on special teams.

To play on a old Shania Twain song..."Ok, so the guy's fast...That don't impress me much"
I could even see if he has a few big plays for TDs in his career and teams have to respect his speed, but he’s got nothing to his resume
Schwartz showed nothing last year.depleted WR room toward the end
Of 2021 and he still couldn't get on the field with starter snap counts
He wasn't even used as a decoy on jet sweeps at the minimum.
He has made one play over 30 yds and that was blown coverage
By the Chiefs secondary
Then the Schwartz fan club said " oh give him a couple years, he
Needs time blah blah.." WRs now in the middle RDs being drafted
Are coming into the league and getting meaningful snaps.
The game has evolved so much with college offenses pass happy
WRs are prepared more than ever to play in the NFL.
That 3 year development window is no more.
Yet Berry drafts WRs who barely impact the offense.
I think to be fair, there isn't a Schwantz fan club. I get people saying to give it some time. I may have said the same depending on where in the season we might have been.

I am all for giving him some time now, like another few reps to see if he gets open, but we are at or near the point where something needs to show.

About the only thing i really remember about the guy was a bit on him at Cedar Point being a roller coaster junkie...the news people were saying he could race a rollercoster...lol
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Schwartz showed nothing last year.depleted WR room toward the end
Of 2021 and he still couldn't get on the field with starter snap counts
He wasn't even used as a decoy on jet sweeps at the minimum.
He has made one play over 30 yds and that was blown coverage
By the Chiefs secondary
Then the Schwartz fan club said " oh give him a couple years, he
Needs time blah blah.." WRs now in the middle RDs being drafted
Are coming into the league and getting meaningful snaps.
The game has evolved so much with college offenses pass happy
WRs are prepared more than ever to play in the NFL.
That 3 year development window is no more.
Yet Berry drafts WRs who barely impact the offense.

Schwartz did have a (IIRC) knee injury, and then had a lingering concussion after that, last year .....

He only played a handful of games last year.

I agree that he has shown almost nothing here, so far.
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Schwartz showed nothing last year.depleted WR room toward the end
Of 2021 and he still couldn't get on the field with starter snap counts
He wasn't even used as a decoy on jet sweeps at the minimum.
He has made one play over 30 yds and that was blown coverage
By the Chiefs secondary
Then the Schwartz fan club said " oh give him a couple years, he
Needs time blah blah.." WRs now in the middle RDs being drafted
Are coming into the league and getting meaningful snaps.
The game has evolved so much with college offenses pass happy
WRs are prepared more than ever to play in the NFL.
That 3 year development window is no more.
Yet Berry drafts WRs who barely impact the offense.

Schwartz did have a (IIRC) knee injury, and then had a lingering concussion after that, last year .....

He only played a handful of games last year.

I agree that he has shown almost nothing here, so far.
He's not even a kickoff returner where you would his one and
Only strength would come into play.
There's a Schwartz fan club? Sign me up!
j/c...

From today's practice. See Schwartz at the :06 second mark. Poor guy, lol.

He's got to conjure some of that Gerald McNeil, then all will be well. The only solution.
Ahhh, man. That was awesome! 🤣
What is a Anthony Schwartz?
Originally Posted by Milk Man

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Punk. He probably wears skinny pants.
That clip makes me angry. Not about Anthony Schwartz but about the blaring music and laughter in the background. I know it's a 30 second snippet out of an entire week of practice, but I just feel like this team is so soft...from the coaches down to the players. It would be nice if players actually got mad about losing instead of complaining about the fans booing. It would be nice if our team leaders set an aggressive, angry tone for once. We know the coach can't get it done so it would be nice if the players took it upon themselves. I don't think they actually care about winning and losing.
Bottom line is we don't have anyone on the team like that. At least not starters. Winfrey looks like he might be that kind of guy, but he has to become good enough.

We just don't have anybody who would snap someones head off if they sluff off or screw up too much.
I know they have limits on contact practices. I get that. But, wow, if that passes as practice for a game........wow. Do all teams do that cheesy drill?

Maybe our defense gets to do the 2 hand touch drill?
Originally Posted by Rishuz
That clip makes me angry. Not about Anthony Schwartz but about the blaring music and laughter in the background. I know it's a 30 second snippet out of an entire week of practice, but I just feel like this team is so soft...from the coaches down to the players. It would be nice if players actually got mad about losing instead of complaining about the fans booing. It would be nice if our team leaders set an aggressive, angry tone for once. We know the coach can't get it done so it would be nice if the players took it upon themselves. I don't think they actually care about winning and losing.

Wow, for months I've had to listen to what a terrible person and teammate Mayfield was for saying that and now a Legend poster on this forum boldly states his opinion noticing the exact same thing Baker said he saw - Imagine That!
The only thing you left out was they're just here for a paycheck.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Punk. He probably wears skinny pants.


everyone under 40 does
Reality, many of those guys make more in a game than "we" make in a decade! The days of bloody qbs, Tittle, are LONG GONE. They get paid win or lose....if they are smart they won't let the game give them too many concussions. Money and no brain doesn't really work.
Go Browns!!!!
Originally Posted by hitt
Reality, many of those guys make more in a game than "we" make in a decade! The days of bloody qbs, Tittle, are LONG GONE. They get paid win or lose....if they are smart they won't let the game give them too many concussions. Money and no brain doesn't really work.
Go Browns!!!!

I don't disagree. I think it actually goes deeper than that, but my feeling won't go over with some so I won't bother to share them.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by hitt
Reality, many of those guys make more in a game than "we" make in a decade! The days of bloody qbs, Tittle, are LONG GONE. They get paid win or lose....if they are smart they won't let the game give them too many concussions. Money and no brain doesn't really work.
Go Browns!!!!

I don't disagree. I think it actually goes deeper than that, but my feeling won't go over with some so I won't bother to share them.


rofl rofl Sorry, not directed at you guys. I just find it freaking hilarious that less than a year later from when our former QB was chastised unmercifully for expressing the same concern that now we have long time forum posters recognizing the exact same thing. Even more amazing is 9 of the 11 starters on defense were here as starters last year and 7 of the current 11 starters on offense were starters here last year. I'm sure it's just a few with that attitude but "1" is too many. Too bad people were so quick to unjustly shoot the messenger last year. Where's our great HC Stefanski, the one who should be the one sorting out these non-team players?
I believe this is a problem among all NFL teams, Free agency was good for players and fans but not for teams.

Players get paid lots of money and get soft, it happens in the workforce outside football.

The problem with all this calling out on players slacking, is the fact the ownership paid the money to the player.

Players being called out , hell yes I agree, play like you're being paid. Ya know how the % of that turns out.

It's not as simple as sitting a high paid player just to prove a point. You think that a player sitting on the bench making millions cares ?

Hell no he doesn't. Not getting beat to death to make a big pay check, been going on with every team for years.

It's not so simple dealing with non team attitudes. It's a job, just can't fire a over paid lazy ass in the NFL as it is in the work force we live in.
I guess it's ok to make 2 posts about Baker Mayfield in an Anthony Schwarz thread as long as they're not critical of him.
Originally Posted by jfanent
I guess it's ok to make 2 posts about Baker Mayfield in an Anthony Schwarz thread as long as they're not critical of him.

You see, that's the issue here. I've been reading post after post on this forum about how we're better now than before. Some of us would beg the differ but being better because someone is gone does not explain away the same problems that were evident in 2020 and 2021 that are alive and breathing in 2022. The single position that by all the posts of the last year was keeping us from a Super Bowl has been upgraded yet our Browns are actually playing worse. We just went through 5-games with the 3rd easiest schedule with 82% of the same starters on defense as last year and have more questions now than before. Unfortunately, most of these same issues were brought up last year, through the off season, and even the year before but the name calling, and derogatory comments were directed at those people because those concerns were not directed at one particular chosen player.

Fast forward to 2022 and after having the 3rd easiest schedule in the league, the Browns are sitting at 2-3 and we have forum guru's comparing our team's performance to an ex-players performance on another less skilled team as the success guide through the first 5-weeks. I find it interesting that you'd immediately single out my post in reference to a post about players non commitment but are perfectly silent to the pages of critical posts referencing the shipped off player. Here's a news flash, the Browns are 2-3 and spiraling to a 2-9 record and Mayfield has nothing to do with it and that is the point. You see, some of us wanted to talk about these concerns the last 12 months but were labeled "Baker Boys." Surprise, Baker's gone, and the same issues remain and got us to a spiffy 2-3 record.
Make that 3.
The problem is that we didn't switch from Baker for Jacoby. We we switched for Watson.

I think you probably need to save your argument for next season once Watson has been at the helm for a number of games.

I'd also say that Baker hasn't exactly been killing it so far this season in carolina, but new team, now a new coach...let's see what happens next year with Watson here, and Baker in Carolina or wherever he lands because it isn't looking good for him as a Panther.

I must say your argument would have more bite if Baker was playing well this season, but the season is still young. He might still turn it around. I think he is still the starter.
One word in defense of Schwantz. His game is supposed to be the deeper routes. I am not sure why speed wouldn't help on short routes, but just to defend the guy a bit, maybe we should wait and see what happens once Watson returns.

Jacoby isn't a good deep ball thrower and Watson is. Maybe we will see the value in Schwantz once we have a QB who can chuck it 50 yards in the air. If so, I will go back to calling him Schwartz and all will be good . I still question his ability to track and catch the ball, but we will see.
j/c:

Just my opinion, but I think that it's a jump to watch that video and then say for certain that this team is soft, the coaching sucks, and the players don't care. We have one poster on a crusade to get Stefanski fired and he jumps on every little thing. I've seen him ask for Stefanski to do certain things like hold players accountable and take more interest in the defense and when reports come out that show those things are happening, he laughs/ridicules Stefanski anyway. Then, we have the Baker group spinning tales because they are still butt hurt over their hero leaving. Those things are going to happen, but what baffles me is that we have posters, who should know better, actually adding credence to tall tales and irrationality.
Originally Posted by jfanent
Make that 3.

Just so I am clear in case I want to mention a player no longer on the team - are you suggesting he deserves a whole thread to himself ? I mean for myself I think the constant mentioning of him quite sad an odious. Vers has brought him into more threads and mentioned him more than anyone - and generally speaking those that didn't think much of him mention him the most at the moment, and in Vers own words he despised him and I didn't once see you comment whenever he brought him up - so I figured I would check with you to see what your reference point is for commenting on how many times he gets mentioned, whether he should have his own thread or maybe we should petition Purp to see if we can get a whole entire forum dedicated to him? lmk.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
The problem is that we didn't switch from Baker for Jacoby. We we switched for Watson.

This is exactly right. I mentioned this more than once in the "JB - BM" comparison thread that Vers started. I think what might be triggering some of the comments on the board is that "excuses" are being promoted by some for the team this year, that last year were not. Comments or actions by players on the team now seem very similar in nature to comments by a player no longer on the team that got eviscerated for the comments. I think those sorts of double standard are generating some of these posts.

Bottom line - this early stage of the season and being underwhelming on the field of play, waiting for Watson and sort of in limbo until the new savior is playing on Sundays (assuming we continue to struggle to win) .... this feels very much like the off-season. Not a whole lot of football talk. Baker being crow-barred into conversations or contrived threads created to continue to throw shade on him. And generally squabbling instead of football talk because the football talk is really pretty depressing.
I don't know if it is to throw shade, but I agree.
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
j/c:

Just my opinion, but I think that it's a jump to watch that video and then say for certain that this team is soft, the coaching sucks, and the players don't care. We have one poster on a crusade to get Stefanski fired and he jumps on every little thing. I've seen him ask for Stefanski to do certain things like hold players accountable and take more interest in the defense and when reports come out that show those things are happening, he laughs/ridicules Stefanski anyway. Then, we have the Baker group spinning tales because they are still butt hurt over their hero leaving. Those things are going to happen, but what baffles me is that we have posters, who should know better, actually adding credence to tall tales and irrationality.

So... you hate Rish and you're afraid he'll get Stefanski fired.
You hate the imaginary Baker Boys, and now they're "spinning tales" (I actually like that term, sounds organic)
You hate posters that may be influenced by either, because they make it more true. (weird take, but okay)

In short, as always, you hate everyone who doesn't share your opinion. Welcome to Thursday, Dawgtalkers!
I don't see like that at all. Maybe we just get a little too worked up over nothing. Maybe it's time for everybdy to move on.

I am sure all of this will start to fester again once Watson starts playing. I am sure there will be complaining when Watson doesnt throw for 300+ yards with 3 TDs and no picks.

It won't be about Baker and Watson because Baker is playing as the team expected.
You know JW Johnson is creeping on this board.....so anything is possible! brownie
Originally Posted by jfanent
I guess it's ok to make 2 posts about Baker Mayfield in an Anthony Schwarz thread as long as they're not critical of him.

No, it's really not but the analogy is accurate.
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by jfanent
Make that 3.

Just so I am clear in case I want to mention a player no longer on the team - are you suggesting he deserves a whole thread to himself ? I mean for myself I think the constant mentioning of him quite sad an odious. Vers has brought him into more threads and mentioned him more than anyone - and generally speaking those that didn't think much of him mention him the most at the moment, and in Vers own words he despised him and I didn't once see you comment whenever he brought him up - so I figured I would check with you to see what your reference point is for commenting on how many times he gets mentioned, whether he should have his own thread or maybe we should petition Purp to see if we can get a whole entire forum dedicated to him? lmk.

Thanks for checking! Your hyperbole game is in expert mode. Now come on, you and others fly off the handle when there's a post critical of Baker in an unrelated thread, but feel it's OK to bring him up if it's not critical. The hypocrisy lies in your court. You're wondering why I don't comment on those critical posts? Each one already gets multiple replies. You and others have that well covered.
As is often times the case in todays society people have trouble discerning between an occasional occurrence and a rampant case of recidivism.
Well if you think Steve would have made this post without all the other plethera of BM posts - I think you are mistaken. He very clearly and expressly wrote that he was commenting based on those posts. So no hypocrisy here. In case you missed it here is the original post by Steve that you commented on....
Originally Posted by steve0255
Wow, for months I've had to listen to what a terrible person and teammate Mayfield was for saying that and now a Legend poster on this forum boldly states his opinion noticing the exact same thing Baker said he saw - Imagine That!
The only thing you left out was they're just here for a paycheck.


You chose to ignore the many BM posts and "comparison" thread because they had already been responded to - then chose this one to jump on board and respond to the one thread with two comments by Steve. That's your right and I don't want to be like Vers and try to act like I am dictating what you should respond to - so my apologies because I interpreted the non responses as support for the poster/comments.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
recidivism.
That's a great word - I had to go google the meaning!
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
recidivism.
That's a great word - I had to go google the meaning!


At my age that word scares the heck out of me !

not looking it up

any word that begins with recid, is scary

lol
it's the rate at which people return to prison/jail after being let out.
I didn't have to look it up, I've seen it used in context.
It could mean crime re-committing, or returning to jail for those crimes.
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
j/c:

Just my opinion, but I think that it's a jump to watch that video and then say for certain that this team is soft, the coaching sucks, and the players don't care. We have one poster on a crusade to get Stefanski fired and he jumps on every little thing. I've seen him ask for Stefanski to do certain things like hold players accountable and take more interest in the defense and when reports come out that show those things are happening, he laughs/ridicules Stefanski anyway. Then, we have the Baker group spinning tales because they are still butt hurt over their hero leaving. Those things are going to happen, but what baffles me is that we have posters, who should know better, actually adding credence to tall tales and irrationality.

I don't want Stefanski fired, I want him to be better. I don't want to hear him talk about it, I want to see wins.

I don't have an ounce of confidence he will get it turned around. He's an OC masquerading as a head coach.

Browns fans deserve better results than what he's getting. After this week's loss and starting the season at 2-4 against the easiest schedule in the NFL he will have officially ruined another year of some really good players primes. More than the fans, they deserve better.

You want to dismiss poor head coaching because of the offensive results. I want to win football games. I'm so beyond tired of rooting for a loser franchise. We get one yearly reprieve every ten years or so. The thing is this year didn't have to be this way. A better head coach who has this team better prepared is 4-1 at a minimum. He was gifted the easiest schedule in the NFL and is at 2-3.
I don't want to see KS fired or AB. I think they've done a good job. Have they made mistakes, yes, all coaches and GM's do. We're close. If our D could stop the run, we'd be 5-0 and the talk of the league. Would anyone be knocking our coach and GM then?
Originally Posted by Rishuz
I don't want Stefanski fired, I want him to be better. I don't want to hear him talk about it, I want to see wins.

Living in Charlotte - basically the similarity of Rhule's press conferences (taking ownership, saying he needs to improve, same message every week after a loss for over a season) - but nothing actually changing on the field is a really big concern.

However - despite the defense clearly being the biggest issue with the team in 2022 - I'd like to see HC Stefanski given his shot with a bone fide starting QB instead of a perennial back up who KS is nursing to good statistics but who isn't winning games for us. And despite his overall performance above (low) expectations, he has cost us a game or two.

I missed Vers claim that the Baker group is spinning tales ... another fake claim, I guess someone can ask him to be specific. No - doubt another manipulation like his claim someone said Njoku was a bust after one game. 🤮
Agreed. I'd like to see KS with a top tier QB which we should have in DW. He'll be able to do more with DW than he could with Baker and now with JB.
I disagree w/your take on Stefanski, but I respect your right to voice it. What I'm saying is that others don't have to automatically buy in that a team is said to be soft because of a short video. That video proved nothing other than Schwartz is weak. I would like to add that I think our team is far from soft.

We are probably the most physical offense in the entire NFL! Earlier this week, a poster said we had no identity on offense. That is just crazy talk. We hammer the crap out of opposing defenses. We physically dominate them. We impose our will upon them. We wear them out. I can safely say that I can't remember the last time I've seen a Browns team w/such a clear identity.
Watson will win us games, but we are not losing games due to the offense. This team is putting up more than enough points. It's the D that has let us down. That is rather confounding because they actually played well for most of the time last year.
I don't think Stefanski and Rhule are anything alike. I think Rhule is a snakeoil salesman. He oozes not trustworthy and full of crap.

Stefanski is just the opposite. I think he comes across as intelligent and sincere. I think he is both of those things.

The results are similar for both, but I think Stefanski is a good man and a good coach who is doing a poor job right now. Fingers crossed he gets it figured out.
I feel the same way. I don't see how anyone can refute that statement. It's the D and maybe it is Joe Woods. When you read and hear our players and KS talk you can't help but feel there's more going on behind the scenes. That's the feel I get I don't know if anyone else feels that way.
We definitely have an offensive identity. To state otherwise is absurd. Stefanski is doing a great job on that side of the ball. No one can dispute that.
Originally Posted by Rishuz
I don't think Stefanski and Rhule are anything alike. I think Rhule is a snakeoil salesman. He oozes not trustworthy and full of crap.

Stefanski is just the opposite. I think he comes across as intelligent and sincere. I think he is both of those things.

The results are similar for both, but I think Stefanski is a good man and a good coach who is doing a poor job right now. Fingers crossed he gets it figured out.

I didn't say the two individuals are similar. What is similar and concerning - is both are saying the same things, while nothing has changed on the field of play. That goes for both 2021 and 2022. Even in some cases 2020 even though we went to the playoffs .... the most obvious example would be how many games over that span has KS got pass happy only to say that needs to change?
I agree. I just think there is no hope for Rhule, and I wouldn't even take a chance on him if I were any team.

As critical as I am, I believe there is hope for Stefanski. But the clock is ticking. None of the issues thus far have anything to do with not having your franchise QB. They can all be traced back to poor coaching.

And that is so maddening.
An observation. When all my fellow posters, and myself, stick to talking football on here and give honest opinions it's informative and enjoyable.
Again, I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to change it, but does Stefanski have a losing record as a HC? Should we not consider how long it was since we had a season w/a winning record before he arrived? Would you disagree that he has had to deal w/a ton of distractions that would derail almost any team? New system during Covid. The OBJ thing. The continuing crap w/Baker dividing the locker room. The Watson saga where they left Stefanski on an island to field almost all the questions.
Hell - we are very close on opinions. I've always like the calm preparedness KS brings to the team and the O. Despite issues I believe he can grow into being a very good HC. Personally I'd like to see KS maintain heavily involvement with the offense and even design the first 20 plays or whatever - but hand over play calling on game day so he can spend more time as HC and have a bigger influence on the D. As has been discussed already - as HC you have to own all aspects and a good or even great offense doesn't give you a free pass for having a shockingly bad D that is in disarray.

As for Rhule - he's done in the NFL but look for him to sign with a team like Nebraska or Auburn next year. While still picking up something like $980K a month from the panthers for the next 3+ years!
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
As is often times the case in todays society people have trouble discerning between an occasional occurrence and a rampant case of recidivism.

That's impressive. We use the term when referring to people that keep coming back to the psych unit in our hospital.
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
As is often times the case in todays society people have trouble discerning between an occasional occurrence and a rampant case of recidivism.

That's impressive. We use the term when referring to people that keep coming back to the psych unit in our hospital.

I like that the author preceded the use of "recidivism" with the word "discerning"; adding more intellectual impact to the sentence overall. Hand in hand, the two are like a fine bourbon and hand-rolled Cuban cigar.
You're welcome.
I wonder what role Anthony Schwartz would have had on the I986 Browns. 84-85-86. I think he would have been waived.
Originally Posted by THROW LONG
I wonder what role Anthony Schwartz would have had on the I986 Browns. 84-85-86. I think he would have been waived.


Probably no role. I think we were pretty happy with McNeil as a returner, and his hands were solid as a situational WR.

Maybe Rogers will step up for us now that he's got a another chance this week.
I put Schwartz at about the Syndric Steptoe level.
Any yet another stellar game by Schwartz. What a waste of a roster space.
#notarealfootballplayer
He’s SO, SO bad. The fact he’s still on the roster is malpractice.
I haven't said much about the guy because it seemed like piling on, but did you see those last two attempts at catching the ball at the very end of yesterday's game? The balls were right to him and they ricocheted like JB was throwing them against a wall. Neither factored into the final outcome, but damn, that was pathetic.
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I haven't said much about the guy because it seemed like piling on, but did you see those last two attempts at catching the ball at the very end of yesterday's game? The balls were right to him and they ricocheted like JB was throwing them against a wall. Neither factored into the final outcome, but damn, that was pathetic.
Honest to goodness, at that point I was hysterically (or cathartically) laughing. It was really quite a spectacle.
Past time now, we should have already replaced Schwartz with Woods II ------ cut or trade both Schwartz and Felton
Seems to me that Schwartz being drafted - and still being on the roster is a succinct example of the worst of what's wrong with Berry as the GM

Seems JJ3 and Ward - and their regression from elite to well below average (flat out bad in Ward's case) are the most obvious examples of why Woods scheme and coaching is a disaster this year.

Posters can deflect and they can pontificate about a myriad of other contributing factors, but these two examples (3 I guess as I named two players on D) are not isolated incidents and you can't argue with just how bad the rot must be to see those things.
Woods needs to play now. Even if we can get him ready for next year.
Woods played yesterday and I think he was returning from injury.
I will say that on one play Schwartz came in to the game, ran more or less a out and up in the middle of the field and was wide open. Would have been a TD...well, if he caught the ball. Not sure if it was a busted coverage or NE just elected to not cover him.

Only kind of kidding about electing to not cover him
Whoever scouted Schwartz should be fired at the end of the
Year. Andrew Berry needs to be shown the door if he
Can't draft better than what he has.
I'd throw money at Brandon Beanes right hand man
In Buffalo and make him the GM here
Anyone remember that Guisseppe dude who was a returner for us a few years ago? He was better than Schwartz
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Anyone remember that Guisseppe dude who was a returner for us a few years ago? He was better than Schwartz
Yeah he was the free agent that slept outside
The Browns practice facility.then GM Farmer gave him
A chance. Farmer sucked as a GM but that was nice
Gesture on his part
Everybody has trouble catching him to give him his walking papers, but on the two occasions they did he dropped the papers.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I will say that on one play Schwartz came in to the game, ran more or less a out and up in the middle of the field and was wide open. Would have been a TD...well, if he caught the ball. Not sure if it was a busted coverage or NE just elected to not cover him.

Only kind of kidding about electing to not cover him


One complaint about Brissett is the fact that he locks onto Cooper quite often
He really only has one other choice. DPJ. And he's no Cooper.
Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.
Thanks Frank. Next up: pink slip.
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Thanks Frank. Next up: pink slip.

You can't fire me!!

laugh
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Thanks Frank. Next up: pink slip.

You can't fire me!!

laugh


He was really fast to hit the bench !
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?

rofl He sure does run about a lot when he sees the field, not sure that is useful though.
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by lampdogg
Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?

Jfan that was seriously funny!
DPJ and Cooper have done their part. We need another guy in the fold for Watson
Yeah, DPJ is playing well this year.
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
DPJ and Cooper have done their part. We need another guy in the fold for Watson
DPJ has improved in year 3..his hands are stronger. Route running
Looks more crisp. But he has yet to find the end zone
This year. That's the alarming thing about his game
Is not a end zone threat.
You would think with his build he could be a real asset
On 50/50 balls in the end zone.
His numbers are average this year.
12.7 ypc and 43rd in recieving yards.
If that's the production from your #2 WR in 7 games
That's not ideal
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