It’s time. Hunt won’t be back. This year is shot (and Hunt hasn’t been the old Hunt all year).

Greedy has had one of the most “meh” careers ever. Not sure what he’d even bring back.

I’m good with trading at this point

Unless we think we’d get a compensatory pick after he signs elsewhere. Not sure what the market would be for him as a FA

Unless we think we’d get a compensatory pick after he signs elsewhere. Not sure what the market would be for him as a FA

I don't see much interest and/or trade return in Greedy. Nothing special up to this point and often injured.

Just to throw a fact in to the mix of doom, gloom, and fairy tales.............the Browns currently rank 5th overall in rushing attempts per game. Not sure who is getting all those carries if Chubb and Hunt aren't?

I don't see much interest and/or trade return in Greedy. Nothing special up to this point and often injured.

I think it would be dumb to trade Greedy. Ward is dealing w/his second concussion [that we know of] and that is a scary proposition. It's a passing league. You need corners. A late round pick for a guy who can play corner? Nah, that would be dumb.

I do get trading Hunt, though.

💯 Trading Greedy for next to nothing would be stupid. Ward will never, ever be a weekly shoe-n to be on the field.

Trailing by double digits lends itself to having to pass more later in games. All I know is that people saying we don't use Chubb and Hunt are wrong. Period.

I don't think we need to rebuild. We all know we can use 2 solid DT's and another Lb. We need another WR. We add another 5 good solid players in positions of need, and we've got the team we thought we had. If we had those 2 good DT's and DW playing at his normal level from the 1st game our record would probably be reversed. JMO

The Browns were blown out of the NE game, but your argument holds no water as Chubb only had 16 carries in a game that ended up being decided by 3 points.
Although the Ravens did get up early in the 3rd, sacks were taken at very inopportune times which took us out of FG range.

Down 3, 3:00 and change left in the first half at the ravens 40. Run the ball kick FG tie game at half!!!!!!!!
Not what happened. Drop back, sack, loss of 9 yards end up punting. THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!

Run the ball period.

I think people often times see it as an all or nothing proposition. I'm pretty much with you in regards to a rebuild. I'm also not a proponent of standing pat. I do believe there are some obvious problems but unlike some others I'm not sure where that responsibility lies. There isn't a S that can cover the pass. They certainly need at least one more legit WR, interior DL help. The LB position seems very weak. The issue is that the Browns have the cap space to have easily addressed those needs and chose not to. The drafting has not really addressed these issues. I'm certainly confident that wasn't due to a lack of effort.

But somewhere there's a disconnect. The difference between myself and many others is I'm not sure where that disconnect is located. Is it the coaching staff that hasn't made it clear to the FO what it is they need? Is it that the coaching staff lacks the ability to clearly see those needs? Is it the analytics that say these aren't position groups that deserve heavy investment in? I have no idea the answer to those questions.

There is a middle ground between rebuild and stand pat. What I think needs to happen is to retool. There is clearly a problem that even us amateurs had a rasp of. Most on this board knew we needed another legit. WR. Not some #1 WR but a proven contributor with good hands and route running. Most understood the weakness on the interior of the DL. While not nearly all, but many knew the LB position needed addressed as well. Yet it took a 2-4 record before the FO made an attempt to address the LB position. I find it quite troublesome that even many of us knew these things while nothing was being done inside the organization to address them.

With watson waiting in the wings I think what most people see as a rebuild would be foolish at this time. Having the best RB in the NFL combined with one of the top tier QB's in the league presents this team with a very rare opportunity. What needs to be repaired is recognizing and addressing the teams needs. Will that take a new DC and or a new ST's coach? I can't say I'm sure about that either way. However IMO Stefanski isn't the issue with the exception that his hand may need to be forced into making some coaching staff changes he may not wish to make.

So I can see that there may be some issues that need to be addressed. However a from the ground up rebuild I don't see needed or a wise decision with where we stand. Often times it seems to me that the most visceral reactions come from those who had unrealistic expectations to begin with. Some were predicting a lot of wins even after knowing the team would be staring a back up QB for almost two thirds of the season.

I understand the disappointment in how the games are being lost. Better teams find a way to win while lesser teams seem to find a way to lose. It is certainly frustrating to watch. But yes, a retooling is needed at some level. But that's far short of a rebuild.

Browns Could Buy and Sell at Deadline if Opportunities are There

The Cleveland Browns could be opportunists at the NFL trading deadline, potentially in the market to add players as well as sell off some pieces to bring back draft assets.
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The two goals Cleveland Browns general manager Andrew Berry have in preparation for a pivotal offseason include reclaiming draft assets spent in acquiring quarterback Deshaun Watson and finding cost effective pieces that can at least give them options in addressing some of their areas of weakness.

As a result, the Browns have the potential to do some buying as well as selling ahead of the trade deadline. Even though the NFL trade deadline doesn't tend to be super active, teams are becoming more willing to make deals. This year, with some unexpected teams making charges toward the postseason, they could be in the market to replace injured players or bolster their chances to make a run in pursuit of a championship.

The Browns already made one trade, taking a flyer on linebacker Deion Jones in exchange for a pick swap with the Atlanta Falcons. With the loss of Anthony Walker Jr. with a leg injury, the team wanted more veteran help as Jacob Phillips was struggling. Now with Phillips likely out for the year, Jones will be the starter.

Potential Buys
Matt Ioannidis, Defensive Tackle, Carolina Panthers
The Panthers are not having a fire sale, but they are taking calls on non-essential personnel in an effort to build up their draft assets as they prepare to hire a new head coach.

Ioannidis is a solid but unspectacular defensive tackle option that is signed to a one-year deal. His base salary for the rest of the season is under a million dollars, which is a great fit for the Browns, who don't want to take on bloated contracts as they plan to rollover as much money as possible into 2023.


Much as they did in the trade for linebacker Deion Jones, the Browns would be looking to do a pick swap for Ioannidis. That might be swapping a fourth-round pick for a sixth-round pick for example. They don't want to go down on the number of picks they have, already being down so many as a result of the Watson trade, but they are willing to move down in rounds if it gets them something of worth.

Ioannidis gets a look for the rest of the year. If the two sides are happy with the arrangement, the Browns could then sign him to a new deal and keep him in Cleveland when he will be 29 years old.

Daron Payne, Defensive Tackle, Washington Commanders
The Commanders are a mess. From ownership to an embattled head coach in Ron Rivera, the team is headed nowhere fast. Payne is young and has had success, though he's not having a great year. The Browns love big bodies that can rush the passer and Payne can, but could stand to be more consistent against the run.

Payne's base salary is a hair over $8.5 million. The Browns would owe him whatever's left on the deal, which would nearly half. It's not ideal in terms of what the Browns want to do salary-wise this year. It would also mean the Browns then plan to extend Payne to make sense.

Payne is poised to hit the free agent market at 26 years old. He could end up getting a bigger payday than his play might warrant, which is why the Browns might be inclined to make a move to secure his services early.


Once again, the Browns are likely to want to make a pick swap rather than give up a selection. However, that might be more difficult to do here unless the Browns are willing to trade down from one of the few early picks they have.

Shy Tuttle, Defensive Tackle, New Orleans Saints
Tuttle is going to be a free agent after this season and the Saints continue to deal with horrific cap issues. The Saints may not be enthusiastic about trading a starting defensive tackle but the team is riddled with injuries in addition to poor quarterback play. If the team is of the opinion that the team is going to get worse rather than better, they might be interested in adding draft capital as they continue to work through the post-Drew Brees era.

The Browns would owe Tuttle the remainder of a $2.43 million base salary. He's going to be 28 years old next year and could be another option to potentially bolster their interior.

Sellable Assets
Kareem Hunt, Running Back
From the moment the season was set to begin Hunt always made sense as a player the Browns could move. Holding onto him until the trade deadline might have been the prudent move as there are teams still looking for running back.


Additionally, some teams have suffered some catastrophic injuries while in position to make a run for the postseason. The San Francisco 49ers acquired Christian McCaffrey from the Carolina Panthers and the New York Jets added James Robinson from the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Los Angeles Rams are a team that has been openly looking for help in the backfield, but there may be others in search of a valuable complimentary back like the Buffalo Bills.


Hunt is an average runner, but a good blocker and pass catcher. He's someone that a team can consistently have on the field and benefit. He's better suited to play in a heavy gap scheme to compensate for a lack of vision.

The Browns aren't likely to get some huge haul for Hunt, but they could get themselves a day three pick for his services. It could be a fifth round pick or perhaps a conditional pick. If the Browns are getting offered anything more than that, it's a bonus.

The other thing that makes Hunt interesting is that one of the reasons he's attractive is his low contract figure. The team acquiring him would only owe him what's left of his $1.35 million base salary. He is scheduled to be a free agent.


At 28 years old and a history of injuries, it's hard to believe that Hunt will be fielding massive contract offers. They might be able to offer him a larger role, but Hunt really is best suited to be a utility back as opposed to a featured one. Maybe the Browns love what they see from Jerome Ford and D'Ernest Johnson. They may even look to draft another back. Don't be so sure Hunt couldn't effectively be rented out the rest of this year and return in 2023.

Greedy Williams, Corner
Williams missed the start of the season with a hamstring injury and the Browns have have move on. Rookie corner Martin Emerson is a contrast in styles that allows the Browns to present different looks. He's been pretty solid as a rookie and is improving as he gains experience.

Williams played against the Baltimore Ravens in limited role, but when Denzel Ward returns from injury, Williams may not see the field at all. Injuries have been the biggest issue for Williams, but he's played good football including much of last season.

Williams still offers excellent speed and good length for the position. He's well suited for a heavy man scheme that can let their corner play up and just run with receivers. Williams tends to be too conservative in off man coverage, taking false steps and plays like he's afraid to get beat deep.


Williams is in the final year of his contract and there's virtually no chance he will be re-signed. This is a situation where the Browns are weighing what teams might offer for Williams now versus what they project he will get in free agency that determines his compensatory value. The fear is that the team he signs with will want him to sign a one-year prove it deal, which could limit what the Browns would get back in 2024.

Jack Conklin, Offensive Tackle
Conklin is playing well and looks healthy coming off of a serious knee injury. The Browns planned ahead for life after Conklin by drafting James Hudson in 2021. He struggled as a rookie after being pressed into action due to Conkling going out for the season. When Hudson has played in 2022 before Conklin was ready to go, he played reasonably well.

With the Browns looking to cut costs, this becomes a natural pivot point for the Browns. So long as Hudson continues to grow and improve, the Browns will maintain the quality of the line at a lower cost. The Browns just did this with J.C. Tretter and Nick Harris at center. Harris then got injured, so now they have Ethan Pocic holding down the pivot.


There are a number of teams using rookie tackles either due to injury or ineffectiveness to veteran options. That might make a team perhaps pay a little more for someone like Conklin, then likely to sign him to an extension. If the offer is high enough, potentially a third round pick or more, they could be willing to move him.

The rub is that if the Browns do indeed let Conklin walk in free agency, he's likely to sign a lucrative deal which will then give the Browns a compensatory pick. Given the rarity of premium tackle options, it would be a surprise if the Browns don't get a third or fourth round pick selection in 2024, especially if teams feel confident Conklin will improve the further away he gets from the injury. The Browns might be happy to get a pick in 2024 and could price that into a negotiation now.

D'Ernest Johnson, Running Back
Johnson wants to play, understandably. The Browns don't have a lot of touches to give him, so he's mostly on special teams if he's active at all.

Johnson isn't a great receiver or blocker, but he is at least functional in those roles. That's why Kareem Hunt plays over him. However, Johnson has been a productive runner, averaging 5.3 yards per carry on 137 career carries.


His vision is a great fit for a zone scheme. He's got a good burst, churns his legs through contact and fights for every yard. His contract is cheap and he's a player that shouldn't cost much to retain if the team that gets him is happy with the impact, becoming a valuable role player in a rotation.

Johnson could fetch a late day three pick, likely in the sixth or seventh round.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/browns-could-be-buyers-and-sellers

Now we're looking for DT's. Why didn't we start in the summer. We knew then it was a position of weakness.

Other GMs knows that Berry is desperate and that will reflect Kareem and Greedy’s trade value. Apart from bad timing this once again gives vibes about another panic move from the Browns FO.

Why am I not surprised….

Okay, I will not be a fan of this trade if it happens. I get trading Hunt given his status, but more importantly, the fact that we have great depth at his position. Not a fan of getting rid of top-level offensive tackles.

Now they're looking for DT's. Why didn't they start in the summer ? They knew then it was a position of weakness.

Did they know ? or was it they believed what Woods felt was the best type of DT for his scheme ?

They see and know things in a different way then

We us or I as a fan. Sometimes I believe we us or I, well not me really lol

Are smarter than them !

No, our DTs don't fit Woods 4-2-5 defense. It's the one spot in that particular defense that requires big, space-eating, block-occupying, guys.

Also, us fans are definitely not "smarter" than they are.

This is just my opinion. I know the record is not good. However, I think this team is much better than what some people are saying. There was only one game we got beat up on the scoreboard, but even that game could have went the other way had Green not been out of bounds on the Onside kick. Losing close games one year is similar to teams who get a bunch of turnovers in a year. The trend often turns in the next year.

We will have an elite QB next year. I think it would be a huge mistake to start creating holes. The salary cap thing is so overrated. Not saying it isn't a factor, but we are in good shape and teams rarely are destroyed by the salary cap anymore. It used to be a much bigger factor than it is now.

I understand trading Hunt because we have Chubb, DEJ, and the rook. While Hudson played well enough at the start of the year, people on here hated him last year. Conklin is an elite tackle. I would not trade him. I realize my opinion doesn't matter to the Browns. I'm just voicing my opinion. There is no way that I agree w/all the doom and gloom posters on this board. This team is close and I think we have a real shot next year if we don't start getting rid of real talent.

I believe the thought process with trading Conklin is that he is gone next year regardless. Get some value now and let Hudson get the reps in a season that is all but over. It is highly unlikely the Browns re-sign Conklin to a new deal. They have a lot of money tied up in Bitonio and Teller. Additionally, the Browns are going to have to decide on whether or not to pick up Wills 5th year option. In all likelihood they will and that's an additional $13M in salary next year tied up in the OL. Conklin will be able to make more on the open market than what the Browns will be willing to offer.

I'd say its a pretty safe bet that Hudson is the starting RT next year.

That doesn’t make any sense. The FO DOES NOT have to trade either of them if they don’t want and still get possible compensation.

Maybe I’m ignorant but if they don’t trade any player then who’s going to compensate us?

No, our DTs don't fit Woods 4-2-5 defense. It's the one spot in that particular defense that requires big, space-eating, block-occupying, guys.

Also, us fans are definitely not "smarter" than they are.

I was kind of speaking in the terms of most fans from the beginning of the draft and there on questioned why bigger DT's were not drafted or picked up in FA

I said in another post that most OT's are bigger than the DT's on the Browns team.

I feel that the people involved fell into Woods bs on who he wanted as DT's on his Defense

Clearly most of us wanted bigger tougher DT's from the get go

The FO gave Woods the DT's he wanted

Most fans weren't happy with the undersized guys

So whose smarter , Us or them ? lol in a way ya know !

Still not sure if it's the DT's or the scheme or what it is

6-4 290 291 and 303 and 6-2 296

That's the DT's

Now you wish to blame Woods for the picks. So it would look like on the surface you need to make up your mind which way this all works. Are you suggesting that Barry, DePodesta and the analytics department simply sit back and draft/sign a wish list of players that the coaching staff hands them?

That's pretty much what I said. He may very well tell the FO what type of players he wants. But IMO that's about the extent of it. He isn't telling them to only address it with mid round talent. He isn't telling them not to go after help in the FA market. I don't see how that makes the players on the roster "his guys".

So maybe the schemes ok it's just that we don't have all the right personnel.

I can't remember if it was Berry or KS but at one time one of them mentioned that they prefer smaller penetrating DTs over the bigger run stopping type and that's a huge problem for us because they also prefer smaller fast LBs. If you don't have at least one pretty good penetrating DT than you have no one that the opposing Oline needs to double team which allows that extra Olineman to get to the next level and take out our smaller LBs. Bryan is the best we have as a penetrating DT and he's at best a backup on a good team, I thought Elliott was going to be a good player but his play has just been so uninspiring, and Togiai is a really undersized run stopping type DT. With smaller fast LBs you either need 2 good penetrating DTs, or an Aaron Donald, or at least one run stopping DT type who can tie up 2 blockers.

Wow, sounds like this FO is throwing in the towel this season. Quiters.

trading Conklin might become a necessary evil. Maybe we think Hudson can fill in well enough and we can save some cap space, which will be needed now

Pit...yea, we were pretty much saying the same thing...but let's not act as if Woods didn't have a say into what players he preferred.

IMO, it was obvious that Woods wanted small quick DTs vs run stopping, 330 pound DTs, who could bench 225 33 times. Like I said, let's not act like Woods didn't take the Browns DC job without telling the Browns what he needed to make his defense work.

This is an opinion, but there is absolutely no evidence to give credence to that opinion. As I have tried to show you, the 4-2-5 wants a big, heavy guy in the middle.

It's sad that you and a handful of others have reached the point where you are willing to make things up in order to build up the momentum to have men get fired. These men have families and have worked their entire lives to get to this point. Presenting facts is one thing. Fabricating things like you and the other fans of an ex-player do is quite another. It's shameful.

What? No evidence? The evidence is that we still don't have the big NT that a 4-2-5 requires. If Woods IS NOT clamoring for that big NT, that's worse than him just rolling out the same damn scheme with the wrong players. No evidence...nah...just none that you want to acknowledge.



That is rich, rich irony coming from YOUR keyboard.

Players to watch ahead of the 2022 NFL trade deadline

Chicago, Illinois, USA; Houston Texans wide receiver Brandin Cooks (13) signals first down after a catch in the first quarter against the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field. Mandatory Credit: Daniel Bartel-USA TODAY Sports

By Ari Meirov
Oct 26, 2022
• RBs Kareem Hunt and Cam Akers still options: There has been rumored trade interest surrounding both for some time now, and the trade deadline could spur action on that front.

• Chase Claypool the odd man out in Pittsburgh?: With Diontae Johnson already extended and rookie George Pickens emerging as a legitimate threat, Claypool's time with the Steelers may come to an end.

• Broncos could be big sellers: Wide receivers Jerry Jeudy and K.J. Hamler and edge defender Bradley Chubb have all been rumored as potential trade pieces.

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The NFL trade deadline was once a non-story. It would just come and go.

We still haven’t reached MLB or NBA trade-deadline territory, but times have changed. General managers are more aggressive, and teams are far more open to trading future assets.

We’ve already seen two running backs change teams, with the Carolina Panthers dealing Christian McCaffrey to the San Francisco 49ers and the Jacksonville Jaguars dealing James Robinson to the New York Jets. And we might just be getting started.

The Week 8 outcomes could determine which way some teams eventually sway. A 2-5 squad might feel better about themselves if they’re 3-5 rather than 2-6. But teams have been calling around and trying to feel out where other clubs stand in the trade market. And as the saying goes, “deadlines spur action…”

Let’s take a look at some players who could be traded ahead of the Nov. 1 deadline.



EDGE ROBERT QUINN, CHICAGO BEARS
Quinn put together a breakout year last season with a franchise-record 18.5 sacks. With a new regime coming in, the Bears traded Khalil Mack in the offseason — and Quinn also garnered interest. The Bears opted to keep him, but they might have some regrets. So far this season, Quinn has just one sack and two quarterback hits, and his 43.8 PFF grade is a career-low mark.

While a potential trade return might not be as great as it would've been in the offseason, teams are always looking for pass-rush help and Quinn has proven throughout his career that he can be productive.

Quinn has roughly $8 million remaining on his $12.8 million base salary this season. The Bears could eat some (or most) of that to better the compensation, similar to what the Denver Broncos did last year when they traded Von Miller. Quinn’s 2023 and 2024 salaries are non-guaranteed, giving an acquiring team some flexibility.

RB KAREEM HUNT, CLEVELAND BROWNS
Hunt requested a trade during training camp, but the team quickly said it wouldn't deal him. He’s in the final year of his contract and extension talks have not gone far. Cleveland has a disappointing 2-5 record on the year with a tough stretch of games ahead against the Cincinnati Bengals, Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Hunt played a season-low 28 snaps on Sunday. His 62.3 PFF grade is the lowest of his career. With all the draft compensation Cleveland gave up to acquire quarterback Deshaun Watson (who returns in Week 13), moving Hunt could become a real option considering the circumstances.

WR CHASE CLAYPOOL, PITTSBURGH STEELERS
The Steelers extended Diontae Johnson this offseason and have seen star potential out of rookie George Pickens. That leaves questions around Chase Claypool, who has a year and a half remaining on his rookie contract. Would Pittsburgh want to extend him after this season — especially considering their great track record with receivers in the draft?

The answer is likely no, opening the door for the team to at least consider a deal now. The former second-round pick has caught just 28 passes for 266 yards and one touchdown through seven games after racking up 850-plus yards in each of his first two seasons. Pittsburgh sits at 2-5 on the year and is set to take on the undefeated Eagles this week. Teams have called about Claypool, and if Pittsburgh is willing to drop the price a little, it could get interesting.

WR BRANDIN COOKS, HOUSTON TEXANS
It feels like Cooks has been in trade talks his entire career, despite being a very consistent offensive weapon and a solid professional. In fact, Cooks has been traded three times. Another would tie Eric Dickerson for most trades in one career.

There were talks about a potential trade this past offseason, but Houston eventually extended Cooks on a two-year, $40 million contract. The Texans won’t trade him for 75 cents on the dollar, but they still have an eye toward the future, and adding more premier draft capital could be tempting if that offer comes.

RB CAM AKERS, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Head coach Sean McVay reiterated this week that the team is still trying to trade Akers after the two sides were at odds regarding his usage. McVay also said there’s a scenario Akers where could be back, but at this point, that seems like something a coach would say just to maintain any leverage.

The Rams offered Akers along with their package of picks to the Carolina Panthers for Christian McCaffrey before Carolina ultimately took San Francisco‘s offer. Los Angeles will keep trying as the deadline nears.

EDGE MARCUS DAVENPORT, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Davenport is in the final year of his rookie contract, and the Saints' season has not gone as anticipated. The former first-round pick has recorded 20 total pressures and 15 quarterback hurries on the year, earning a solid 78.2 PFF grade.

With Davenport bound to become a free agent in March, New Orleans might just look to get something done now before he potentially leaves for nothing. It’s worth mentioning the Saints are without a first-round pick next year and their salary cap situation is not in the healthiest of spots.

EDGE BRADLEY CHUBB, DENVER BRONCOS
Similar to Davenport, Chubb is also in the final year of his rookie contract and the Broncos' season has been an abstract disaster. Chubb could be this year’s Von Miller for teams looking to add immediate pass-rush help on a rental contract. The former top-five pick has an 82.9 pass-rush grade this season, the best mark of his career. The Rams, who traded for Miller last year, would make a lot of sense.

WR JERRY JEUDY & K.J. HAMLER, DENVER BRONCOS
The Broncos extended two receivers at the end of last season, giving big-money deals to Courtland Sutton and Tim Patrick. Both Hamler and Jeudy have one year remaining on their rookie contracts, though Jeudy has a team option, as well. Denver has received calls inquiring about both. Keep in mind the Broncos don’t have a first- or second-round pick in 2023. A loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars in Week 8 would make the chatter only louder.

CB WILLIAM JACKSON III, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS
Jackson recently requested a trade, just one year after signing a three-year, $42 million free agent deal. He’s earned a career-low 49.6 PFF grade so far this season after posting a 59.3 grade last year. Jackson has been out due to a back injury, but it’s fair to wonder if the Commanders are just holding him out as they continue to look for a reasonable deal.

WR MARQUEZ CALLAWAY, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Callaway put together the best season of his NFL career last year with 46 catches for 698 yards and six touchdowns, earning a career-best 69.3 PFF grade. He took a bit of a backseat entering this season amid a crowded position room including Michael Thomas, Chris Olave and Jarvis Landry. Those guys have been banged up, but none of the injuries are believed to be long-term. Add in the emergence of undrafted free agent Rashid Shaheed, and Callaway’s name becomes an intriguing option. He’s set to be a restricted free agent after this season.

LB SHAQ THOMPSON, CAROLINA PANTHERS
The Panthers are not interested in trading core players such as D.J. Moore, Brian Burns, Jaycee Horn and Derrick Brown. Carolina believes that group consists of building blocks that will help jumpstart their future with a new head coach. They are open to adding more draft capital by shipping off some older veteran players like Shaq Thompson, who is the last player remaining from the team’s Super Bowl 50 lineup. He’s graded out as a top-10 linebacker against the run this year (82.8 grade).

Other names to keep an eye on:
WR Denzel Mims, New York Jets
WR Kenny Golladay, New York Giants
DI Matt Ioannidis, Carolina Panthers
Edge Clelin Ferrell, Las Vegas Raiders
CB Sidney Jones, Seattle Seahawks
Edge Tarell Basham, Dallas Cowboys
OT Isaiah Wynn, New England Patriots

Among the teams to keep a close eye on:
Philadelphia Eagles
Los Angeles Rams
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tennessee Titans


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This is an opinion, but there is absolutely no evidence to give credence to that opinion. As I have tried to show you, the 4-2-5 wants a big, heavy guy in the middle. It's sad that you and a handful of others have reached the point where you are willing to make things up in order to build up the momentum to have men get fired. These men have families and have worked their entire lives to get to this point. Presenting facts is one thing. Fabricating things like you and the other fans of an ex-player do is quite another. It's shameful.

Back to the possible trades theme of the thread.

The Giants traded former first round pick Kadarius Toney to the Chiefs for a conditional 3rd and a 6th round pick. Dude was very good for awhile, but hasn't been playing or practicing. Must have been problems between him and the team due to reasons beyond his ability. He could be huge for KC.

If nothing else, Ward's concussions issues are reason #1 we should NOT be looking to trade Greedy, even if that rookie and others are stepping up and looking Ok. We're deep back there, but we're not so deep that we can toss guys away while others are injured.

5 realistic Browns trade targets with Tuesday's deadline approaching
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Cory Kinnan
October 27, 2022 4:25 pm ET

The Cleveland Browns are more than likely going to be sellers as this year’s trade deadline approaches. However, they will never bat an eye at an opportunity to acquire young talent in need of a change of scenery either.

While it was draft day, general manager Andrew Berry made a move to go up and get Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. This Spring he sent shockwaves through the league, acquiring wide receiver Amari Cooper for just a fifth round pick. This also does not include the massive trade he made this past Spring to upgrade at quarterback as well.



Berry has also been known to make low-risk trades as well. Swapping linebacker Mack Wilson for pass rusher Chase Winovich was a non-consequential move made, as was acquiring linebacker Deion Jones for a pick swap.

As the deadline approaches, the Browns will have the opportunity to both make non-consequential trades and acquire young talent. Here are five realistic trades the Browns could make to add talent to their roster.


One massive point to hammer home when discussing prospective trades is that Berry will not go after expiring contracts. Double paying (trading assets just to turn around and pay the player) is not in the wheelhouse of this analytically-minded front office.

The only time Berry has done this was with the recent trade for Jones, where he swapped a sixth rounder for Jones and a seventh, then terminated the last year of the deal to make him a free agent. This philosophy is going to exclude players like defensive tackle Da’Ron Payne and tight end Mike Gesicki from the conversation of trade targets from the Browns.

Berry targets players that were paid during a previous market and now look underpaid (Cooper) or young players with years left on their rookie deals (safety Ronnie Harrison is a prime example here). With these parameters set, here are the five players who fit the mold should the Browns go shopping before Tuesday’s trade deadline.


DT Milton Williams, Philadelphia Eagles


Expect the Philadelphia Eagles to call on running back Kareem Hunt. Howie Roseman and Berry have a great relationship, and the Eagles are amid a Super Bowl run. Miles Sanders has been great this season, and adding another change of pace in Hunt could push their offense to a new level.

If they do call on Hunt, there are two defensive tackles worth checking in on. Javon Hargrave is also on an expiring contract like Hunt, so the Browns could swap rental for rental. However, given that the Browns are more than likely looking toward 2023, a young player still under contract makes more sense.

Enter Milton Williams.

Drafted in the third round last year, the athletic specimen has not quite found his footing yet. Yes, Hargrave is set to be a free agent at the end of the season, but they still have Fletcher Cox and Jordan Davis to start inside. Additionally, Marlon Tuipulotu has been getting almost an equal amount of snaps as Williams.

Given the deficiencies in the defensive tackle room, adding a young one who still has two years beyond 2022 on his contract is not a bad idea for the Browns to pursue.


WR K.J. Hamler, Denver Broncos


Speaking with individuals plugged in around the Broncos, I get the sense that K.J. Hamler is a more likely target to be traded than Jerry Jeudy of the Denver wide receivers. The Browns have found success just triangulating Cooper, tight end David Njoku, and Donovan Peoples-Jones, but they are still missing a key piece: a horizontal extension of the run game.

Yes, Hamler is a threat to take the top off of the defense, but he is slippery and elusive with the football in his hands as well. Currently, the screen game of the Browns revolves almost completely around their backs, with the occasional look to Njoku as well. Getting a guy who can handle end-arounds and screens the way they thought 2021 third round pick Anthony Schwartz would be able to could take an already top-10 offense to another new height.

Hamler is still under contract for another year beyond this season as well after being selected in the second round of the 2020 NFL Draft. And a bonus to adding Hamler? He has an extensive history of returning punts during his time at Penn State.


S Xavier Woods, Carolina Panthers


The Carolina Panthers have already proven capable of offloading talented players for draft picks. Just last week they received a haul from the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for running back Christian McCaffrey. As they continue to tear it down and rebuild after the tumultuous Matt Rhule era, they could continue to ship off talented players for draft picks.

As the Browns look for answers in their safety room, they could look at other rosters, and the Panthers have a talented one in Xavier Woods. Just 27 years old, Woods signed a contract with the Panthers this offseason and is under contract until 2024. Trading Woods would also only cost the Panthers $1.6 million in dead cap.

John Johnson III has been bad, Grant Delpit has been worse, and Ronnie Harrison is set to be a free agent after the season (and is also bad). This is not just about the 2022 season in the safety room, but a veteran presense who has been a positive force this season is what the Browns need both on and off the field.


DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, Chicago Bears


The Chicago Bears already shipped off one pass rusher, why not another? The Browns could find themselves interested in Al-Quadin Muhammad, should the Bears also continue to look for draft assets to build their young team. A trade for Muhammad could be a similar move to the one with the Atlanta Falcons for Jones.

Muhammad has one year left on his contract beyond this season, but no guaranteed money. For the price of a late-round pick swap, as they did with Jones, the Browns may also be able to acquire the services of Muhammad.

Given that they will only have three defensive ends under contract beyond 2022, having a veteran as the fourth could take pressure off of Isaiah Thomas, who would be thrust into a massive role otherwise. Muhammad has not quite graded out well in 2022 but found a productive role previously when with the Indianapolis Colts.


TE Tommy Tremble, Carolina Panthers


And we are back to the Panthers.

They paid Ian Thomas this offseason, and have two others Stephen Sullivan and Giovanni Ricci still on the roster. For a team that is tearing it down to the foundation, how important is Tommy Tremble to the Panthers?

With the injury to Njoku, even if it is only for one game, the Browns could look for a tight end on the trade market. Pharaoh Brown also finds himself in the concussion protocol, leaving Harrison Bryant as the only healthy tight end on the roster.

And Bryant has not been a particularly bright spot for the Browns this year either with one season left on his deal beyond 2022. Tremble is athletic, a good pass catcher going back to his days at Notre Dame, and a lethal blocker. The Browns still run a great deal of 12 personnel with some 13 mixed in as well.

Having depth at the tight end position when there currently is not is a bad thing. Entering the 2023 season as well, do not be shocked to see a new face in the room regardless.


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Pretty easy to improve your pass defense ranking when the other teams are not passing so much as they run it for over 200-yards down your throat. I get the building on a positive, but this is really just a false narrative wouldn't you think?

It'll be interesting to see how many snap Hunt gets on Monday night, I wouldn't be suprised if he is a healthy scratch, which would tell you a trade is imminent

Wow, sounds like this FO is throwing in the towel this season. Quiters.

That is why I won't play him in my fantasy leagues. I don't want to get to Monday night and find we aren't playing him or he has just been traded.

On a sidenote, him being traded would be good from that standpoint. He should get more work if he is traded, and so would Chubb, who I also have. It will also vindicate my keeping DJ on my roster as I have been expecting a trade of Hunt. Now DJ should get some work.

Worst that happens is no trade happens, and that really isn't all that bad, I still have Hunt on my real team for at least another 10 games.

Trading hunt will never get value, He won't be unreasonable in his demands for a new contract and we are better with him than without, Johnson is alright but he is no Hunt. Losing Hunt means losing part of our identity. I'd keep him and work on an extension before free agency. he wants to be here and he's the kind of guy you keep around. Trading Greedy is a nothing burger, trading Conklin would be dumb too.

The one caveat to it: Hunt is Chubb’s boy. Chubb is our MVP. If Michael Jordan wants Steve Kerr, you re-sign Steve Kerr.

I kinda doubt we trade Hunt now. I think we would have moved him if we got our asking price, but they wouldn't take less than what they thought he was worth. He'll probably sign somewhere else next year and it would have been nice to get some value in return for him, but he's too damn good to just give away for a lower round pick. I have no idea what the Browns wanted in return. I'm guessing a 4th or better. But, that's just a guess.

I don't think it's confusing at all and has nothing to do with "punting on the current season". We have seen it mentioned season after season several times on this board and why people suddenly find it some kind of mystery is baffling at best. At the beginning of the season most teams are healthy and set at most positions. The demand for a player at any given position when teams are healthy at their respective positions isn't in high demand. Also they may think they have the position filled adequately only to find out they don't.

So through attrition, the more injuries teams sustain and the more they figure out they need help at the RB position the more demand there is in the market. This has always been the case.

We still have him for the rest of the year. He can help us win games. I'm not declaring we go on a run, but it's not out of the question. I think this team is nowhere near as bad as some are saying they are. Just my opinion.

j/c...

He will never get the Huge payday, he blew that when he had his incident. I kind of feel bad for him, but your reap what you sow.

If no team is willing to give up a 4th rounder, I highly doubt he’ll be a top targeted FA. I actually think he might stick around now for another 2-3 year deal for maybe $12-14 million

That only applies to some.

That is always a possibility.

Hunt kind of screwed us on the trade front with his semi holdout early in camp over dissatisfaction with his pay. It may have scared teams away from giving up any kind of pick. Teams might give up a 6th rounder to more or less get a jump on free agency but a 4th is pretty steep for a guy you might not be able to sign. If you do that, you just put the player and his agent in control of the table.

I actually think he’ll be here next year now too

I think you're putting too much faith in Ford. Johnson is the proven producer currently on the roster at RB.

With the way things played out at the trade deadline I think we'll try to re-sign Hunt in the off season and let Johnson go, if we fail to re-sign Hunt than we'll work at bringing Johnson back.

Are we? Seriously now, do we Fans really know what Ford can do? I have questions, so I am not speaking with confidence.

As fans, we must get better at evaluating. I say we get too emotionally attached or a better word comfortable with what we think is excellence.

"Analytics," oh, what a great excuse for what works and what does not. In the end, it is simply a benchmark. Just like humans, it can predict perfection but with a percentage of error!

Pit, I don't wish to question your opinion. I too have doubts, but are we questioning what we don't know?

This is interesting...

With the way things played out at the trade deadline I think we'll try to re-sign Hunt in the off season and let Johnson go, if we fail to re-sign Hunt than we'll work at bringing Johnson back.

I think there is next to a zero percent change Hunt is back next year. Doubt the Browns even make an offer. I am sure Hunt's agent knows where the Browns stand as far as money goes at this point. He's not in the Browns plans with the draft of Ford and more importantly, Hunt will get starter money on the open market. Not high end starter money, but starter money nonetheless.

Also, with Watson as the starting QB, the need to invest as heavily, financially, in two high end RBs significantly decreases.

I'll actually be quite surprised if Johnson is brought back again unless they can continue to get him on a really cheap deal.