Not happy with the picks? Well here's your chance to re-draft. Then we can peek back in a few months/years and see how you did, and if you really can draft better than what the Front Office did.
Here's how it works: Go here:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-round#dt-tabs:dt-by-round Check out the picks AFTER the pick we made, and select someone that you would of rather the Browns taken instead. If you liked the pick we did make, you can stick with that one. Unfortunatly, we have to assume that a pick we did make wouldn't of lasted to the next pick ... so say you thought Weeden would of lasted to our second round pick, You can't pick Reiff for our #22 pick and then Weeden at #37. We just have to assume he would of been selected somewhere before that. If you really wanted Weeden, then you have to pick him at the spot the Browns picked him. On the bright-side, you get the benefit of hindsight ... so guys you would of picked in the second round that went in the 4th round (ahem ... Massie) ... you can pick in the 4th round.
Also for simplicity, we have to assume all trades went through and pick at those positions. Probably too hard to assume that if we didn't make the trade at #3, that Richardson makes it to us at #4 ... Or if we didn't trade back in the 3rd, that certain picks or other things would happen. Just keep it simple and make picks at the spots we ended up at.
Your Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3):
Round 1, Pick 22 (22):
Round 2, Pick 5 (37):
Round 3, Pick 24 (87):
Round 4, Pick 5 (100):
Round 4, Pick 25 (120):
Round 5, Pick 25 (160):
Round 6, Pick 34 (204):
Round 6, Pick 35 (205):
Round 7, Pick 38 (245):
Round 7, Pick 40 (247):
Browns Actual Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3) (From Vikings) Trent Richardson RB 5'9" 228 Alabama 93.5
Round 1, Pick 22 (22) (From Falcons) Brandon Weeden QB 6'4" 221 Oklahoma St. 83.7
Round 2, Pick 5 (37) Mitchell Schwartz T 6'5" 318 California 82.5
Round 3, Pick 24 (87) (From Broncos) John Hughes DT 6'2" 309 Cincinnati 48.2
Round 4, Pick 5 (100) Travis Benjamin WR 5'10" 172 Miami 66.5
Round 4, Pick 25 (120) (From Broncos) James-Michael Johnson ILB 6'1" 241 Nevada 69.0
Round 5, Pick 25 (160) (From Broncos) Ryan Miller G 6'7" 321 Colorado 66.5
Round 6, Pick 34 (204) (Compensatory selection) Emmanuel Acho OLB 6'1" 238 Texas 57.0
Round 6, Pick 35 (205) (Compensatory selection) Billy Winn DT 6'4" 294 Boise St. 84.0
Round 7, Pick 38 (245) (Compensatory selection) Trevin Wade CB 5'10" 192 Arizona 82.5
Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory selection) Brad Smelley TE 6'2" 237 Alabama 48.5
Here's is my acutal simulcast draft. Thought this thread was the best place for it.
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My Real-Time Draft
Round 1
#4 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
#22 Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
Round 2
#37 Cordy Glenn OT Georgia
Round 3
#87 Lamar Miller RB Miami
Round 4
#100 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
#118 Jared Crick DT/DE Nebraska
#120 George Iloka FS Boise State
Round 5
#139 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa
#160 Cam Johnson DE Virginia
Round 6
#204 Emmanuel Acho OLB Texas Picked a minute before the Browns
#205 Rishard Matthews WR Nevada
Round 7
#211 Alfanzo Dennard CB Nebraska
#245 Brad Smelley FB Alabama Picked a tad too early!
#247 Jeff Demps WR/KR/ETC Florida (Olympics)
OMG ... no WR's till the 5th round?? People would of run you out of town!
They can run me all the way out to Hawaii for all I care!
3. Trent Richardson
22. Brandon Weeden
37. Mitchell Scwartz
I have zero complaints about the first 3 picks.
87. TY Hilton
100. Almameda Ta'amu
120. James Michael Johnson (I love that pick)
160. Ryan Miller (another good pick)
204. Emmanuel Acho
205. Billy Winn
245. Trevin Wade
247. James Brown
I don't dislike the Smelly pick, but I like Brown a lot.
I like what we did overall. I just don't understand the Hughes pick.
The Benjamin pick, I understand, but I would have taken Hilton at 87, so no need to take Benjamin at 100.
Since this is an exercise, I wouldn't have traded down from 67. I know it says not to do that but I realllllllly liked Posey in that spot, so I'm being a brat.
Here would have been my picks:
Your Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): OG David DeCastro
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): QB Brandon Weeden
Round 3, Pick 4 (67): WR DeVier Posey
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Jared Crick
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OLB Terrell Manning
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Alfonzo Dennard (at this point, it was worth the flyer)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): CB Trevin Wade
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley
I kept Richardson, Weeden, Winn, Wade and Smelley. The latter 3, simply because they were great value picks.
I ignored RT, because you can easily find a stop gap and then address it next year. Why? Because Decastro was way too good of an interior player to let slip. Sometimes, you just have to ignore need when a guy unexpectedly falls in to your lap.
I think passing on Posey was also a little silly. He was a really talented WR that only dropped because of some minor (yes, even as a Michigan fan I consider that stuff minor
) off the field issues. He just seemed like a really nice WCO WR. Solid frame (6'1", 211 LBS), good speed (4.5) and nice hands. Plus he was a homestate kid. I just didn't get it.
I think they though they could drop back in the third and still get him.
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I think they though they could drop back in the third and still get him.
He went #68 to the Texans, so that's why I would have stayed at #67 in this hypothetical.
I like your draft better than Heck's, except I'd sub Reiff for DeCastro at 22. RT is too important to ignore for another year, imo.
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Since this is an exercise, I wouldn't have traded down from 67. I know it says not to do that but I realllllllly liked Posey in that spot, so I'm being a brat.
Here would have been my picks:
Your Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): OG David DeCastro
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): QB Brandon Weeden
Round 3, Pick 4 (67): WR DeVier Posey
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Jared Crick
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OLB Terrell Manning
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Alfonzo Dennard (at this point, it was worth the flyer)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): CB Trevin Wade
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley
I kept Richardson, Weeden, Winn, Wade and Smelley. The latter 3, simply because they were great value picks.
I ignored RT, because you can easily find a stop gap and then address it next year. Why? Because Decastro was way too good of an interior player to let slip. Sometimes, you just have to ignore need when a guy unexpectedly falls in to your lap.
I think passing on Posey was also a little silly. He was a really talented WR that only dropped because of some minor (yes, even as a Michigan fan I consider that stuff minor ) off the field issues. He just seemed like a really nice WCO WR. Solid frame (6'1", 211 LBS), good speed (4.5) and nice hands. Plus he was a homestate kid. I just didn't get it.
Weeden is off the board at 22, you can only choose players who are not on the board....
Bogus rules should be ignored.
Who's to say that a team wouldn;t have traded back up to the late 1st to take Weeden if he was still available?
What if the Jaguars decided that they saw enough of Gabbert last year and wanted a QB they thought they could win with now, and moved back up to take Weeden? All it takes is one team to blow up another team's plans.
These were mine real-time based on my big board. Two of the guys on this list that I drafted (Polk and Minnefield) fell because of medical issues I didn't know about when I made the board.
4. WR Justin Blackmon, Ok State (board #3 // Actual pick: 5)
22. OL Cordy Glenn, Georgia (board #7 // Actual pick: 41)
37. WOLB Lavonte David, Nebraska (board #15 // Actual pick: 58)
67. CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia (board #17 // Actual pick: 123)
100. DE Cam Johnson, Virginia (board #34 // Actual pick: 237)
118. RB Chris Polk, Washington (board #35 // Actual pick: UDFA/medical)
*139. WR Chris Rainey, Florida (board #57 // Actual pick: 159)
160. SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina (board #56 // Actual pick: 242)
204. SOLB Audie Cole, NC State (board #62 // Actual pick: 210)
205. OT Andrew Datko, FSU (board #65 // Actual pick: 241)
211. DT Marcus Fortson, Miami (board #66 // Actual pick: UDFA)
245. CB Chase Minnefield, Virginia (board #88 // Actual pick: UDFA)
247. RB Edwin Baker, Mich St (board #103 // Actual pick: UDFA)
*As i commented in the big board thread when the pick came up, I took #57 Rainey ahead of #56 Allen because all the other slot guys I liked had gone earlier than they were expected to in the media.
We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37. Jax is not giving up on Gabbert after 1 year. Who else was going to take him? I thought - possibly - that New England might want him since Brady's getting older, but Brady's only 34, and I don't think Belichick would take a 28-29 year old developmental guy at 29 or 31. Hell, he's the guy who found Brady in the 6th round.
Like I said though, it only takes one team to blow up another team's plans.
There were reports that we were going to take Wright at 22 if he was available, then try to trade back into the 1st for Weeden.
Would we have? Who knows?
Bottom line is that Wright was our target, and he was gone when we picked in the 1st so we took the next guy on our board.
After the 1st round ended, we evidently had RT as the next most pressing need/value based on who was still available.
One thing is clear ..... Heckert was considerably less impressed with the receivers in this draft (after Wright) than the fans were.
My Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson Alabama
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): QB Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): OT Mitchell Schwartz California
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): WR Joe Adams Arkansas
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Frank Alexander Oklahoma
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): LB James-Michael Johnson Nevada
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OG Ryan Miller Colorado
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn Boise St.
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Chase Minnifield Virginia
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): WR Eric Page Toledo
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley Alabama
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We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37. Jax is not giving up on Gabbert after 1 year. Who else was going to take him? I thought - possibly - that New England might want him since Brady's getting older, but Brady's only 34, and I don't think Belichick would take a 28-29 year old developmental guy at 29 or 31. Hell, he's the guy who found Brady in the 6th round.
Denver is my guess. They have Manning and Hanie and ended up taking Osweiler 57th overall. They had picks before our 37th and we would have had to trade ahead of them for him if we passed him at 22.
My Simul-draft (except for rounds 6/7, since I was away from the TV). Those I looked at afterwards, but tried to make picks where I thought I'd make them. I didn't trade up to #3, but I took the trade down with Denver -- this gave me 14 picks. I would have made trade ups to target guys I want, but they are very hard to do in practice.
4 - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
22 - Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
37 - Alshon Jeffery, WR, USC
87 - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
100 - Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
118 - Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
120 - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
139 - Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
160 - Terrell Manning, OLB, NC State
204 - Billy Winn, DT, Boise State
205 - Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
211 - B.J. Coleman, QB, Chattanooga St.
245 - Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee
247 - Chris Owusu, WR, Stanford
There was noise about Denver liking Osweiler going into the draft. He makes more ense with Denver since he's expected to sit for two years and that the biggest knock on him is experience. If your plan is to sit a QB behind Manning for two years, it makes a whole lot more sense to take the young QB who has all the tools than to take a guy who has limited years and athleticism but is perceived to be more able to start immediately.
FTR, I liked Osweiler as my third-favorite QB in the draft. Russell Wilson 4th. They were very close in my book. Also the tallest and shortest QBs in the draft, lol.
Osweiler needs to completely relearn how to throw the football. If he could do that...about a big an if as possible....he could be a very good NFL QB.
Real nice prospect to develop. Unique size and athletic tools to work with.
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We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37.
I think he would too ... but it's too hard to speculate who would go where if we didn't take somebody with our pick. All it takes is a team like Seattle, drafting a 3rd round-graded player two rounds early. We just have to assume like Heckert ... that the move had to be made where we made it, or else we'd miss our chance.
I was going to say you could make two lists ... one where you just re-draft in the spots listed above and a second one where you can let our picks fall to where you think they'd go (ie: Weeden in the second, Hughes in the 7th, etc) and also do it with or without the trades we made (ie: pick Blackmon 4th and make three extra selections later) ... but I thought for the sake of sanity and conistancy ... just make it a straight re-draft.
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My Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson Alabama
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): QB Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): OT Mitchell Schwartz California
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): WR Joe Adams Arkansas
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Frank Alexander Oklahoma
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): LB James-Michael Johnson Nevada
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OG Ryan Miller Colorado
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn Boise St.
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Chase Minnifield Virginia
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): WR Eric Page Toledo
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley Alabama
No complaints with that draft.
My only real beef with what we did was taking Hughes in the 3rd round. I thought Weeden would more than likely be available in the 2nd round, so he was a bit of a reach in the 1st ... but I'm alright with the pick. most the 3rd day picks were pretty good though.
I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
If they truly wanted Weeden, that makes me feel that much better about the pick. Considering they signed a 35+ year old QB who just came off neck surgery.
Ya know, like "Hey we got Peyton Manning, but in case his neck becomes a problem, we have this guy who can step in right away, it's worth a 1"
When you factor that in for the Broncos,and then factor it in for us? HUGE value.
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I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
Good stuff right here!
For people saying that Weeden would have been there in the 2nd round, I say... no way. There was talk that the Jags were in talks with Houston to move BACK into the 1st round to grab Weeden so they could pair him with Blackmon. Even if he slipped into the 2nd, I say it is a good certainty that someone would have jumped over us and grabbed him.
If he's good, people will look back and say "Thank God we took him at 22 and didn't screw around with the second round or trying to trade back into round 1 while giving up future picks"
If he's your guy, just go get him and don't worry about where you take him. That's always overrated and will continue to be as long as they keep doing the draft.
I like Weeden, i think he's the 3rd best QB in this draft and maybe even end up better then RG3 but my problem is his age. It will probably take a couple of years for him to hit his stride and by then he'll be 31 so we will probably only get 3 to 5 years out him where he'll be at the top of his game and then have to look for his replacement.
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I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
Good stuff right here!
For people saying that Weeden would have been there in the 2nd round, I say... no way. There was talk that the Jags were in talks with Houston to move BACK into the 1st round to grab Weeden so they could pair him with Blackmon. Even if he slipped into the 2nd, I say it is a good certainty that someone would have jumped over us and grabbed him.
Everyone is basing this another team will picked him up before 37 on assumptions. Not everyone believes that he would have been gone by then. People are using this excuse as an easy way to try to prove their point by shutting down the conversation..
P1: Weeden could have been drafted at 37.
P2: No No No, he'd be gone before then..
P1: I don't see any team from 22 to 37 that will pick him or trade up fo....
P2: NO NO NO, he'd be gone by then.
P1: I don't see Jax picking him, I don't think they'd give up on Gab..
P2: No, Weeden would have been gone.
P1: Seattle sure wouldn't, they just investing in Flyn...
P2: A team would have trade up and got Weeden.
You might think he would have been gone by then, though not everyone has the same belief. The only team that would make any sense is I believe the Broncos, but I don't see them investing in a 29 year old QB to sit behind Peyton and I think picking a QB that high to be a backup is an expensive backup. The Broncos pick Osweiler to groom him and let him develop, which is something Weeden has little time to do. Any team that was to pick Weeden would draft him to be thrown in as the starter or soon-to-be starter.
But the rule in question is a silly rule that looks to only exist to prevent people from putting Weeden at 37 because he was picked "early" at 22. If you want to have a rule based like that because "another team would have drafted the player you previously picked" then the whole premise of this exercise is flawed. Lets say we did pick Reiff instead of Weeden at 22. The Lions don't pick Reiff andwill need to pick someone else, then the pick the Lions pick wouldn't have been picked by another team and down the line which creates a whole different draft where the Lions might have pick Doug Martin instead or lets say Stephen Hill. Any alteration in the draft changes the entire draft and down the road and it still may not affect the pick we made "early" and might still keep him on the board at our next pick. It's something we will never know.
That said.. I'd ignore the silly rule and here is my alteration.
1a) Richardson
1b) DeCastro
2) Weeden
3) Schwartz
I can just keep the rest the same. It still doesn't solve our WR problem, though I would love that OL, and we still keep Weeden.
that conversation works until you realize that teams are allowed to trade, teams knew we needed a QB and that they'd likely have to jump us for the next QB. and, a team that may have wanted Weeden may have also not liked the other options there, so it's hard to gauge on "next to draft a QB"
I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
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I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
This is what I'm saying!
I like Weeden as a prospect, but why can't people who don't at least have this mindset?
Fact is, the Front Office determined Weeden is an NFL capable Quarterback. Something we did NOT have on this roster.
If your Quarterback is available, you get him, you don't risk waiting. Period.
Ok, I'll play along (purely by the picks that we actually used):
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Richardson,RB, Bama (I came around on him late, but I did)
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): Glenn, OT, UGa (I had him above Reiff)
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): J.Robinson, CB, UCF (CBs really poor later)
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): N.Foles, QB, Zona
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nev (or I could wait till 120 and pick Marvin here, either way)
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): M.Jones, WR, Cal
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): J.Criner, WR, Zona
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): E.Acho, LB, Tx (good value)
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): B.Winn, DE, Boise (good value)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): T.Wade, CB, Zona (I don't know, so I'll defer)
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): B.Smelley, TE/HB, Bama (I like the duel-headed Bama backfield idea at least)
with how the WR boards seemed so different from person to person, I understand why they waited on one. Benjamin wasn't one of the guys on my list, but it's possible they see more in him and that Harris was holding him back.
I obviously don't have a guy who is going to take away Colt's job right away, but I think Foles has a ton of talent and is a good backup option while still being able to use the high spots on addressing other starting positions. I went with a CB2 because the CB-dropoff is pretty big in the #37-#87 slots.
Outside of that, I liked our LBers we grabbed, so I kept them. I grabbed a couple of my favorite WRs and I left the late picks alone because at that pointe we are all guessing (thought about putting in Chris Polk, but who knows how bad his shoulders are to get him not drafted).
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that conversation works until you realize that teams are allowed to trade, teams knew we needed a QB and that they'd likely have to jump us for the next QB. and, a team that may have wanted Weeden may have also not liked the other options there, so it's hard to gauge on "next to draft a QB"
I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
I do keep trading up a possibility and I still don't think any team would have traded up to pick Weeden up in the late 1st to early 2nd.
Arizona Cardinals - Just spent a fortune keeping Kolb.
Atlanta Falcons - He's not replacing Matt Ryan
Baltimore Ravens - Flacco, nope
Buffalo Bills - Fitzpatrick is the man in Buffalo and don't see them changing quite so soon.
Carolina Panthers - Cam was just drafted last year and had a great year
Chicago Bears - There are still stuck on Cutler
Cincinnati Bengals - Dalton
Cleveland Browns - Us
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo for as much as people want to bag on him is the Cowboy's QB
Denver Broncos - Just signed Manning to a rich deal and expect him to play this year. They are not going to draft his backup in the 1st or 2nd round. What they did pick was a prospect to groom for post-Manning
Detroit Lions - Stafford
Green Bay Packers - Rodgers!
Houston Texans - Schaub and TJ Yates.
Indianapolis Colts - I don't see them picking QBs back to back especially after grabbing the #1 prospect
Jacksonville Jaguars - Seems logical and probable, though I don't think they are giving up on Gabbert yet.
Kansas City Chiefs - The other possible choice, though Do they give up on Cassel?
Miami Dolphins - Picked up Tannehill
Minnesota Vikings Ponder Experment still active
New England Patriots - Brady, though getting older is not going to be replaced by a qb 5 years younger and has a succesor in the wings from last year's draft
New Orleans Saints - Still trying to work with Brees and lack of ammo
New York Giants - E. Manning
New York Jets - Sanchez is the Jet's Romo and plus Tebow
Oakland Raiders - Carson Palmer was an expensive trade to give up on.
Philadelphia Eagles - Don't see them replacing Vick with Weeden
Pittsburgh Steelers - Big Ben still has some limbs to lose.
San Diego Chargers - Rivers will run dry in San Diego, though not for awhile still.
San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith is actually working out and Kaepernick
Seattle Seahawks - Spent a lot of FA on Flynn, not picking up Weeden to compete with their prize.
St. Louis Rams - Bradford, not yet. Would have picked up RGiii at 2 if they wanted a QB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Freeman stil running free in TB
Tennessee Titans - Locker is being groomed by the Hass
Washington Redskins - No ammo to trade up.. and plus RGiii
Out of 32 teams, only 2 were slight possibilities and 1 of them already picked a QB last year that I don't think they would replace with a 29 year old prospect. And the other I think would stick with their current qb and didn't pick another qb in the draft anyways.
Weeden's age is why he wasn't a top 10 choice. And if any team does pick him, it would/should be to be their starter. He's not going to be picked to sit behind a starter to learn and grow into the position after the current qb runs out of gas. There were not many teams that Weeden would have fit into like this. Miami and Cleveland are the two major choices with Miami being the front runner, though they picked Tannehill at 7. That leaves Cleveland and the minor players KC and Jax and I didn't seeKC giving up on Cassel until the next year or two and Gabbert gets another shot this year before they declare him a bust.
But then again, this is my opinion and feelings and like anyone else's it isn't quite worth much because either way either one of us could have been right or wrong on this. I just personaly do think Weeden would have been there at 37.
But I think your last sentence is the best to explain this rather than just saying as if it were a fact that Weeden would have been gone at 37. They did do what they felt they had to do to make sure they got the guy they wanted, I just feel they could have waited.
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Out of 32 teams, only 2 were slight possibilities
And all it takes is 1.
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Out of 32 teams, only 2 were slight possibilities
And all it takes is 1.
And, I still don't believe either had the desire to trade up to grab Weeden. You can keep repeating that "He wouldn't have been gone at 37" mantra it doesn't mean that it was going to happen, just as much as me saying that he was going to be there at 37 isn't going to mean that he would. But I do believe he still would have been sitting there at 37 just as much as he was there at 22.
All I know is the guys who were sitting in that draft room, working the phone lines, analyzing every angle felt like if we wanted him, we needed to draft him at #22.
The Browns obviously felt that it was too important to get him to leave it to chance. They took him at 22 and eliminated any chance that they would wind up in the same QB quagmire we were stuck in last year.
I could see a number of the teams on that list viewing him as a back-up and not really grooming him for the starting job.. San Fran and Pittsburgh both come to mind as teams that could use a guy like Weeden and they don't have that many other needs so they could afford the risk. But like somebody else said, it only takes one.
And could you see this board if we waited until 37 and he got picked at 35 and word got out that we wanted him at 37? All of the people blasting the pick would be blaming H&H for waiting and getting undercut AGAIN like they did for RGIII...
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All I know is the guys who were sitting in that draft room, working the phone lines, analyzing every angle felt like if we wanted him, we needed to draft him at #22.
Needed and wanted are two different things andthey may have simply just wanted to pick him at 22. If reports are true that we would have picked Kendell Wright except that Tenn picked him beforehand leads me to believe they really didn't think that they HAD to draft Weeden at 22, but maybe it was just how they had him slotted on their "big" board or was just a panic move.
well, SF did just spend a 2nd rounder on Kaepernick as their backup QB in the 2011 draft.
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well, SF did just spend a 2nd rounder on Kaepernick as their backup QB in the 2011 draft.
I don't think they expected him to be Alex Smith's backup. I think they originally had him slotted to replace Alex Smith, who had a banner year for a change.
I love hindsight
Round 1, Pick 3 (3):
RB Trent Richardson AlabamaGorgeous. When it got down to the 3rd round I wish we had still had the 4-7 picks we gave up, but I'm glad we got Trent.
Round 1, Pick 22 (22):
OT Riley Reiff IowaI was screaming for Hill here, but hindsight allows me to know we'll get him at 37, so I'd take Reiff and be even more sure our O-Line was better...
Round 2, Pick 5 (37):
WR Stephen Hill Georgia TechHim on one side, Little on the other, with Norwood in the slot? Yes please...
Round 3, Pick 24 (87):
CB Jayron Hosley Virginia TechBest CB at the time, he and Patterson can fight for the #2 spot across from Haden.
Round 4, Pick 5 (100):
QB Kirk Cousins Michigan StateI didn't go QB round 1, so I take a guy who is now stuck in DC, I feel really sorry for him. Seriously.
Round 4, Pick 25 (120):
LB Tank Carder TCUI had to take him almost a full round before he went just to get him based on where our picks are. #ManCrush, the dude is awesome...
Round 5, Pick 25 (160):
DE Johnathan Massaquoi TroyBest DE available IMO at the pick... Let him learn behind Rucker and eventually take over.
Round 6, Pick 34 (204):
LB Emmanuel Acho TexasRound 6, Pick 35 (205):
DT Billy Winn Boise StateI actually really liked these two picks...
Round 7, Pick 38 (245):
Round 7, Pick 40 (247):
I honestly have no idea, I would of probably taken a shot at Burfict had I not already taken two LBs. Maybe a speedy RB to compliment Richardson, another WR, who knows.. #crapshoot
I think I'm going to do one later with our ORIGINAL picks (before any trades) cause I'll be bored then...
Looks good but I don't agree with the Cousins pick.... and I don't feel sorry for him. He is going to have a chance to develop a little and with RGIII's running style and slight frame, he's going to get hurt, at some point Cousins is going to get a chance to start. Had he gone somewhere with higher expectations he might have busted but as it stands, if RGIII can get through the first year or so before he gets hurt, Cousins could be the next Flynn.
I see your point.
I just thought he was the best mid-late round QB, and I basically gave Colt this year to prove himself while Cousins learned...
Partly I feel bAd for Kirk is because I think Washington is one of the worst run organizations in ALL OF SPORTS...
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And, I still don't believe either had the desire to trade up to grab Weeden.
And the fact is nobody knows for sure. There have been reports that teams were looking to trade up in the early 2nd to grab Weeden before us ... so who knows. The easiest thing to do is just say draft whoever was actually available at #37, and that didn't include Weeden. Like I said before, you also get the benefit of hindsight ... so if you wanted to draft Massie in the second round, you can actually hold-out until the 4th round to grab him, because you know where he actually went. So quit being a baby and play by the rules. 
I do agree with you though that I think Weeden would of been there at #37 ... I'd give it at least a 95% chance. But I think the Browns had been over-bid by SF to get RGIII, they almost lost out on Richardson when Tampa Bay almost traded up in front of them, and they saw one of their main receiver targets get picked right in front of them ... so instead of sweating it out, they just took Weeden a pick earlier than they wanted to, just to make sure they had a new QB for next year.
So if we wait until 37 to take Weeden... who do we get at 22 that represents a huge upgrade? Reiff instead of Schwartz I guess.. is that really a big enough upgrade to risk not getting the QB you want? I don't think so. If Weeden really was a target at either 22 or 37, then we weren't getting an OT and a WR, which is the only logical choice.. so I think taking Weeden was the smart play at 22 if that's the guy you wanted.
I'm just glad we didn't totally panic and take him at 4.
is Reiff even an upgrade over Schwartz? our FO didn't seem to think so and there were places that had Schwartz as the #1 rated RT. we won't really know until the fall (and maybe not then if the Lions put Reiff at LT)
Your Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
Round 3, Pick 4 (67): Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): Bobby Massie, T, Mississippi
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): Billy Winn, DT, Boise St.
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): Brad Smelley, FB/TE, Alabama
I did a few of these out of boredom, and settled on this one.
Didn't trade with Denver, 'cause I didn't feel like it, and left Smelley in because I didn't really care.
Our o-line is set for years to come, we've acquired a few nice pieces on offense (with a gamble on Hill's potential) and added some rotational players to the defense (who, if they pan out, go a long way in settling the D-line; still a solid starting DE away, most likely). The team is now in perfect position to angle for a potential franchise QB with elite tools after what is more than likely going to be another losing season. A lack of linebackers is a weakness here.
In another I did, I took Schwartz where we did, and Sanu with the pick I didn't trade to Denver.
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is Reiff even an upgrade over Schwartz? our FO didn't seem to think so and there were places that had Schwartz as the #1 rated RT. we won't really know until the fall (and maybe not then if the Lions put Reiff at LT)
I don't know and that was my point.. people are saying Weeden would have been there at 37... maybe he would have but who was on the board to take at 22 that was worth taking the risk? I don't see anything.
I know. I was helping your point
Sorry, not used to anybody agreeing with me.
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but who was on the board to take at 22 that was worth taking the risk? I don't see anything.
DeCastro.
Elite prospect that has very high odds to be a perennial Pro Bowler.
I take him even if it ensures losing out on Weeden.
He makes our line considerably better. I never saw Heckert making the move, but it's what I would've done.
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He makes our line considerably better.
I don't doubt that for a second.. but so does Schwartz.. and I think Schwartz and Weeden makes our OFFENSE better than DeCastro and a 2nd tier WR...
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He makes our line considerably better.
I don't doubt that for a second.. but so does Schwartz.. and I think Schwartz and Weeden makes our OFFENSE better than DeCastro and a 2nd tier WR...
One could also argue there's more risk in Schwartz and a second-tier QB.
I don't dislike Schwartz, and I don't hate Weeden, either, but I don't see him as a first round, franchise QB. If you're drafting a QB in the first, you have to be looking at high odds and an elite skill set. Weeden doesn't have an elite skill set and he's a massive gamble. It's an especially bad pick for a team that really can't afford to gamble.
I think McCoy had pretty much no chance at developing into a starting calibur NFL QB, but that doesn't mean you draft a guy high just to do so.
And there's a number of ways we could've gone besides WR. I'd like to have taken one, sure, but Hill in the second is a big risk as well, and the other guys don't really scream starter. Sure, they may be an upgrade over what we have, but what we have is so bad that I don't think that should be a deciding factor necessarily.
Hell, we could've gone Richardson, DeCastro, Schwartz. IMO that would've been so much better than what we did.
Next year, we'll be picking in the top 5-10 again. Weeden isn't going to change that. And we've invested so much into him that we're handcuffed to a HUGE gamble.
I really hope we hit on it.
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He makes our line considerably better.
I don't doubt that for a second.. but so does Schwartz.. and I think Schwartz and Weeden makes our OFFENSE better than DeCastro and a 2nd tier WR...
1a) TRich
1b) DeCastro
2) Weeden
3) Schwartz
I do like that much more. Though there were a lot of tackles taken in the second round...So another OT might need to be picked in round 3 or later..
Heck I could do 2..
3-Trent Richardson RB..nothing needs to be said..done
22-Brandon Weeden QB OSU ..Sticking with this.
37-Stephon Hill WR GT ...first change and I was torn about a RT here.
100-Bobbie Massi OT Ole Miss..yep went with OT here.
120- Shaun Prater CB Iowa ...wanted a CB earlier
160- Terrell Manning OLB North Carolina State ..my starter at OLB
204- Emmanuel Acho LB Texas ..I can move him around
205- Billy Winn DT Boise..o.k I'll stick with this one.
245- LeQuinton Evans WR Southern ..another receiver..
247-Travian Robertson DT South Carolina ..depth
I really like your draft. The only issue I have with it is that after pick 37, the OT's went fast. Silatolu at 40, Glenn 41, Martin 42, Allen 43, Adams 56, Osemele 60, Stephenson 74, Holmes 91, Bergstrom 95. I am thinking that after the picks at 40-43 we would not have traded down from 67. So we would not have picked up pick 120. We might have even tried to trade back up to ensure that we got one of the RT's that we wanted.
This is basically saying, had we stayed at 4 and NOT gotten Richardson (TB moves up as rumored) what I would had done at each pick (No trades)
Round 1, Pick 4 (4): WR Justin Blackmon Oklahoma State
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): QB Brandom Weeden Oklahoma State
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): DE Vinny Curry Marshall
Round 3, Pick 24 (67): DT Mike Martin Michigan
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): OT Bobbie Massie Mississippi
Round 4, Pick 23 (118): CB Brandon Boykin Georgia
Round 5, Pick 4 (139): LB Tank Carder TCU
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OG Ryan Miller Colorado
Round 6, Pick 5 (175): RB Cyrus Gray Texas A&M
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): LB Emmanuel Acho Texas
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): DT Billy Winn Boise State
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): S Aaron Henry Wisconsin
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): WR Jeff Fuller Texas A&M
If I could have found a way to get
Tannehill at 4
M Sanu at 22
and LaMichael James at 37
look for an Offensive Tackle at 67
that would have been nice.
I would have projectile vomited if that had happened.
1(3)....T. Richardson RB
1(22)....D. DeCastro G
2(37)....S. Hill WR
3(87)....B. Thompson DT
4(100)....B. Massie T
4(120)....R. Lewis OLB
5(160)....J. Criner WR
6(204)....B. Winn....DT
6(205)....A. Denard CB
7(245)....C. Polk RB
7(247)....J. Brown G
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Ok, I'll play along (purely by the picks that we actually used):
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Richardson,RB, Bama (I came around on him late, but I did)
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): Glenn, OT, UGa (I had him above Reiff)
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): J.Robinson, CB, UCF (CBs really poor later)
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): N.Foles, QB, Zona
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nev (or I could wait till 120 and pick Marvin here, either way)
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): M.Jones, WR, Cal
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): J.Criner, WR, Zona
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): E.Acho, LB, Tx (good value)
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): B.Winn, DE, Boise (good value)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): T.Wade, CB, Zona (I don't know, so I'll defer)
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): B.Smelley, TE/HB, Bama (I like the duel-headed Bama backfield idea at least)
with how the WR boards seemed so different from person to person, I understand why they waited on one. Benjamin wasn't one of the guys on my list, but it's possible they see more in him and that Harris was holding him back.
I obviously don't have a guy who is going to take away Colt's job right away, but I think Foles has a ton of talent and is a good backup option while still being able to use the high spots on addressing other starting positions. I went with a CB2 because the CB-dropoff is pretty big in the #37-#87 slots.
Outside of that, I liked our LBers we grabbed, so I kept them. I grabbed a couple of my favorite WRs and I left the late picks alone because at that point we are all guessing (thought about putting in Chris Polk, but who knows how bad his shoulders are to get him not drafted).
This is a fun thread to re-read. Above was who I would have drafted given how the actual draft played out. I'd be pretty happy with the guys I picked (Schwartz is better than I thought - Glenn was good too).
We wouldn't have had the need to spend a pick on Gordon with my draft though, so that would have been an unknown flaw.
t-rich
decastro
schwartz
wilson (we traded out of our 3rd)
Kinda happy with the rest of the draft. I'm ok with Weeden right now but I'm just being honest, If I could do it all over again, I'd have gone with Wilson.
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t-rich
decastro
schwartz
wilson (we traded out of our 3rd)
Kinda happy with the rest of the draft. I'm ok with Weeden right now but I'm just being honest, If I could do it all over again, I'd have gone with Wilson.
Better take him at #3 overall, then.
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t-rich
decastro
schwartz
wilson (we traded out of our 3rd)
Kinda happy with the rest of the draft. I'm ok with Weeden right now but I'm just being honest, If I could do it all over again, I'd have gone with Wilson.
Better take him at #3 overall, then.
Are we doing that against all the other teams who know what we know, or are we getting in the Delorian? Cause if so, I'm waiting cause I know he'll be there in round 3!
just to be clear, my post was taken from right after the draft. i'd change a bunch of names if it were done today.
If you have access to a Delorian with spacetime capabilities.....go back even further. Say 1987 and tell Webster Slaughter to block his freaking man on a late 4th-Q running play in Denver. And then jump to 97 to tell Grover to NOT bring Joe Table in. And then around 1998, eliminate art. And for the Cavs, I guess you'd have to somehow kidnap the Spurs team before Game 1 tipoff.
But if we're only limited to last April, yeah draft Wilson before Seattle in the 3rd round.
(though I'm not really sold on him going forward. Dude had a very good year, but something smells fishy in his game. I think he'll come back to the pack next year)
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And then around 1998, eliminate art
isn't it too late by '98?
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Ryan Tannehill
He played well enough on a team I don't feel to be as talented as us. I think he will be fine. I'd rather him at 3/4 than Weeden at 22. (And I like Weeden)
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): Coby Fleener
We need more hands, and TEs, Coby is the best one, After years of Heap and Heath, you'd think we'd have someone by now.
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): Mitchell Schwartz
Are there other RTs out ther, later? Yes, but with my Kendall Storm powers of hindsight, I KNOW he works out, So I'm not going to ruin it.
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): John Hughes
There is really nothing between 88 and 99 worth giving up on the great D Line depth we have. (So let's change to a 3-4!)
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): Travis Benjamin
I keep him, we needed the speed, I think he'll do fine going forward.
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): James Michael Johnson
I like him, in the 4-3 or 3-4.
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): Alfred Morris
Duh.
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): Billy Winn
Yeah, I totally bumped him up a spot
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): Brad Nortman
Goodbye Hodges.
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): Trevin Wade
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): Brad Smelly
I think Wade and Smelly were solid picks, which in time can contribute.
*Rereads his re-mock draft*
I don't like it...
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And then around 1998, eliminate art
isn't it too late by '98?
Sorry, 1994. I don't know why I typed '98 when I had '94 in my head. Oh well.
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And then around 1998, eliminate art
isn't it too late by '98?
Sorry, 1994. I don't know why I typed '98 when I had '94 in my head. Oh well.
I was thinking maybe you meant '88 so that the Browns could not miss out on a new stadium from the city. Not sure Dave Modell would have been any better though.
I wanted Clairborne at #4
I wanted Doug Martin at 22
(I had a heart attack when decastro was still there)
37 schwartz
#67Russel Wilson
Here some funny things I said on draft day:
all i know if the steelers got the 2nd best OL in the draft and we end up with the 4th drafted qb. which has a succss rate of less than 10% in the past decade
not much out of those videos make me go... WOW! that guy is a first round qb that can take the Browns to the SuperBowl.
watch the last video
He isn't as accurate as people think. He was just lucky to have a great WR to bail him out. He overthrows/under a lot and didn't have that great of ball placement. He forces way too many passes, he makes some really really less than intelligent plays. If people complained about colt under throwing... they will have a field day with Weeden. He also leaves his WR's out to dry.
He reminds me a lot of DA-- strong arm that has limited control and sprays footballs all over the field in a 2 step drop in the shotgun.
How did the Steelers' "2nd best OL" wind up working out for them? Every time I saw him play, he seemed to be over-matched.
This gives me nightmares on what could have been...
Blackmon and Lavonte David in round 1.
Schwartz in Round 2
Russell Wilson in Round 3
Alfred Morris in Round 4
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This gives me nightmares on what could have been...
Blackmon and Lavonte David in round 1.
Schwartz in Round 2
Russell Wilson in Round 3
Alfred Morris in Round 4
Ugh. I hate you so much right now...
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How did the Steelers' "2nd best OL" wind up working out for them? Every time I saw him play, he seemed to be over-matched.
Well, he tore his knee up in pre-season but managed to come back for the last 3 games of the season. I am still extremely confident that he has All-Pro talent and will be a force for years on their line.
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How did the Steelers' "2nd best OL" wind up working out for them? Every time I saw him play, he seemed to be over-matched.
I think you were just talking without doing any research.
(not surprised)
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he played in 4 games and started 3 week 14-17 because of an injury
I wasn't impressed with him when I saw him play. (although he was better in the finale against the Browns)
The Steelers run game certainly didn't improve with him in the games he played. In those final 3 games, the Steelers ran for 69 yards on 17 carries against the Cowboys, 31 for 95 yards against the Bengals, and 28 for 91 yards against us.
That's 79 carries for 255 yards in those final 3 games which Decastro started for a whopping 3.22 yards/carry. For the year they averaged 3.7 yards/carry. That's a big dropoff.
What games did you see him play in?
He played well against us. The previous week he played the Bengals at the same time as our game. The week before that he played the Cowboys in his first regular season start, and he played well there (I actually watched that game; there was a sack Marcus Spears got off of him, though Big Ben rolled right into it; otherwise he looked good).
He was not at all impressive in run blocking from what I saw.
Our DL had a massive day's work in that game. The 4 starters (and Parker) combined for 17 total tackles in that game. The OL didn't shove them around anywhere.
The Steelers did not run the ball effectively in that game. I wish I hadn't erased the game a week or so ago, because I came away less than impressed with him watching the game, and I could expound upon it further if I hadn't. The Steelers defense set them up in that game, giving them the ball with great field position on several occasions. 2 of the Steelers TD drives were 3 plays/24 yards and 6 plays/27 yards.
PDR, I just rewatched our week 17 game watching Decastro. He played about a third of the snaps and played like crap. He had two snaps where he didn't look lost or overmatched, and one of those was because the running back cut back after he let Rubin get inside on him.