Good memories of places that are no longer around but bring back good memories of tastes and smells of when we were younger. Could be local, personal favorites or defunct chains
or whatever.
1 - Gerorge's Tin Roof (in Amherst) - best chocolate and peanut butter sundae ever.
2 -Presti's (in Oberlin) Dorothy was the best greeter ever. For some reason, they had a pineapple ring on the top of every standard hamburger and those little chalky mints in a bowl
when you left.
3 - Moss's (in Elyria) best prime rib ever.
4 - Burger Chef chain (most everywhere for awhile) - my Dad and I used to get their bacon cheeseburgers.
5 - Sirloin Stockade chain. (Though, through some quick research, I found that there are some open locations in northern Mexico.)
(I was going to add Kon Tiki, but I guess they are still around but not here. Good teriyaki platters.)
I don't know - just things to talk about before the draft.
Red Barn.
Best chicken, burgers, and especially onion rings ....and gone too soon, in the name of corporate stupidity.
Dominics in Westlake.
Ruby Tuesday near me. It was my black bar that I always went to. It didnt survive covid. I miss the staff, cheap drinks and salad bar.
I never went to a Red Barn. I don't think there was one close by. But everyone I knew had been to one of the locations. Maybe in Elyria, but I can't remember.
I forgot a couple of others:
Charlie Brown restaurant. Before I moved from OH was the last time I heard of it.
Sizzler. There was one when I first got to AZ that turned into a Taco Seoul ( Korean/Mexican hybrid), then succumbed to Golden Corral.
We went to Howard Johnson's when I was a kid.
No more.
I'd kill a burro for a Chi-Chi's chimichanga and fried ice cream.
Rax Roast Beef
Zantigo Mexican Restaurants (a truly upgraded Taco Bell type)
My parents used to take my sister and me to the HoJos when they had their fish fry.
Rax was very good. They actually took over the Burger Chef building in Oberlin when they went out of business. Better than Arby's.
I never had the fried ice cream, but Chi Chi's had really good take out burritos I would get for my girlfriend and myself a couple times a month. There was one about ten minutes from where I live. Then it turned into a Chuy's. They're out of business now as well (at least here).
Johnny's Lunch Wellsville Ohio
The Pine Tree Lisbon Ohio
I have never been to a Ruby Tuesday, but I pass one on my way to Costco in Tucson. It was closed for awhile due to the virus but is now open. I think other locations weren't as lucky.
It was always a treat to get a burger and fries and shake a Woolworths in the Midway Mall Elyria. Or even swing by and get a soft pretzel and coke while holiday shopping.
I have really good memories of Midway Mall. My mom insisted on driving the half hour there because there was a shoe store inside that sold the only "quality" socks for kids. But there was a men's suit store where I could sort of run around and misbehave between the racks.
I remember the Woolworths. Didn't eat in that one, but got milkshakes for the way home. I think until about 25 years ago, there was still some places out west with drug store names and cosmetic counters that had that food counter you could go to.
One of the things I found out quickly when my family moved to Arizona was that there were very few long-standing neighborhood type restaurants where we lived.
You could slip down to Agua Prieta or Nogales for a Saturday feast at a local place, but for the most part, there wasn't too much tradition or a small, privately owned restaurant you could count on.
I miss the mid-west in that way.
Did you know??
As business waned and competition in the discount area became tougher and tougher, Woolworths eventually became Foot Locker. Woolworths bought Kinney Shoes in the '60s and opened the first Foot Locker in 1974.
Foot Locker applied for trademark rights to the store's original name in 2020.
Bring back the lunch counter!!
Good thread idea. I was thinking of places that remember going to in the Stark County area. The Canton Repository wrote a couple of articles about this subject. I will post what they wrote and a link to a photo of the restaurant. I'll add a personal comment afterwards.
Bear Creek Steakhouse: Famous for it's 6-pound steak challenge, the restaurant opened in 1969 in the former Camp Zion Church of the Brethren in Pike Township. The steak place was a destination place, surrounded by the Siehnlen family's recreation complex. Bear Creek was said to be home to the world's largest steak. It also had a 'no neckties allowed' policy and offenders were known to have their ties chopped off on the spot and hung from the ceiling. The restaurant was destroyed by fire in 1988.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/...format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=50Bear Creek was cool. You could go there and ride a toboggan down a frightfully steep hill. The locale was rural and very woodsy. The Steak Challenge was that you got the steak for free if you ate every last piece of that 6 lb steak.
Geisen Haus: The German "beer garden" opened in 1968 on Promway Avenue NW in Jackson Township. The popular pub and eatery, owned by Ron Cavalier, closed in 2017 amid financial troubles.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/...format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=50This was a popular location where you threw peanut shells on the floor while waiting for your meal and drinking plenty of beer. Folks used to go there to watch the Browns a lot and it always seemed busy.
Lujan's: One of the most popular drive-in-style restaurants in the Akron-Canton area. Owner Ron Lujan opened his first location in Cuyahoga Falls in 1956. The first in Stark County was in 1961 at 3250 Cleveland Ave. NW. The chain ultimately grew to 12 locations before it was sold to Azar Inc. in 1975. The Lujan name disappeared.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/...format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=50The place was cool because it was a popular stopping place where many of us brought our muscle cars. Driving muscle cars up and down Cleveland Ave was a "thing" in the early 70s when I was in high school. Car hops would come out and take your order and you could get out of your car and meet girls in the parking lot. Good times.
One of the things I found out quickly when my family moved to Arizona was that there were very few long-standing neighborhood type restaurants where we lived.
You could slip down to Agua Prieta or Nogales for a Saturday feast at a local place, but for the most part, there wasn't too much tradition or a small, privately owned restaurant you could count on.
I miss the mid-west in that way.
Yeah, I noticed that when I moved to Florida. There aren't a lot of mom and pop places (Stores or restaurants), it's mostly chains here. I think it's because most of the people in the area are transplants.
You get in more inland, and you get more into that old town feel with more small home restaurants and such, but along the coasts it's all corporate.
Another place I vaguely remember is a store in Kamm's Corner, was a little drug store with a old style "Malt" shop inside. I had cousin's that lived right behind it and my aunt would give us money to walk over and get shakes. Hmm, I am seeing where my love for ice cream developed.
This soda fountain talk reminds me of something called a "Cherry Phosphate" that a couple local places had. Those things were so good.
A place I miss never closed. I moved to Tennessee. Dayton has a local pizza chain named Marion's. They call it "Dayton style pizza". I've worked in Chicago and spent a little time in New York City. Both of those locations have some great pizza. But Marion's was always my favorite. Nothing I've found down here can compare to it.
At the corner of Elm and Prospect in Oberlin, there was a delicious slice-by-slice pizza place that was very dark, cold, smelled like weed and dough and had an upright (black and white) Space Invaders arcade game in the back.
I think it might be a Dairy Queen now.
Greasy good stuff back then.
I know it's not a restaurant, but my sister and I would go down (she roller skated ahead) to Gibson's Bakery almost every day each summer for donuts and candy.
Also, Long John Silvers closed shop and moved to northern Arizona years ago which is no big deal; but I have good memories of fries and brown vinegar at Cedar Point when I was a kid.
It's strange to think about the sense that triggers your young years most - smell, sound, taste, whatever.
There is a Marion's in Troy, I've had pizza from there a few times and to me it's the best pizza around. Wish I lived closer.
One of the places I miss is Ponderosa Steak House, always enjoyed their food when i was younger.
Best pizza I've ever had... place burned down in the mid-eighties.
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Speaking of menu prices, I have been amazed at the cost of things back then. It's amazing to consider how much prices have increased over the years. We used to go to this place occasionally.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/...format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=50
There is a Marion's in Troy, I've had pizza from there a few times and to me it's the best pizza around. Wish I lived closer.
I actually lived in Troy less than ten minutes away from Marion's before moving to Tennessee. I lived there when the Marion's in Troy opened. I first ate at the original Marion's on N. Dixie Drive in Dayton when I was a child and at their location in Beavercreek when I resided in Green County.
Except for the weed place when I was growing up, I've really missed out on great pizza restaurants.
Since my twenties, Round Table has always been my favorite. And I'm not sure there's many of those around anymore.
Sad state of affairs I guess.
I knew you lived in Troy just wasn't sure if they had a Marion's yet when you lived there. It's about a 30 minute drive from my house so I only get Marion's if I happen to be in Troy or for lunch sometimes as I work in Troy.
Let's see:
Mr Steak
L&K Restaurants
York Steakhouse
Steak and Ale
There is still a York Steakhouse in Columbus, it’s about 10 minutes from my house near the casino. Think it’s the las one in existence. There is also a Rax on route 23 in Circleville. I always try to stop when I’m traveling through there.
The last time I had Rax was very early 1980.
The place didn't last long in a small city.
Fantastic, quick roast beef. Sides were great.
They are still around in some areas. In rural Clark Counrty, New Carlisle, Ohio, there was a locally owned roast beef place called Ranchers. Recently it was changed over to Rax. I have no idea if Rax bought it out or if the owner joined into a Rax franchise deal. I actually have no idea how Rax is structured. But I do know that Ranchers was around for decades in a rural town.
The other one I mentioned before was George's Tin Roof. After Presti's, that was a big part of my food memory.
Especially as far as sundaes..
Out of curiosity, I looked it up and eventually found that it is called sal and als now. I know nothing about it.
I was wondering if anyone that still lives near Amherst could clue me in.
We still have Rax and Arby's. We must live in some franchise test restaurant zone because we've had several first or early franchise startup test locations here, and those come and go often. We have an absurd number of restaurants for our size; without counting every single one, I approximate well over 100 restaurants of varying sizes, specialties, quality, and popularity; and counting mom-and-pop restaurants, it is easily more.
Anyone know the place that was by the train tracks in Berea? Can't remember the name of it but used to go there any time my mom came to visit in college in early 2000s....
I had friends and family on the east and west sides of Cleveland back in the day. Back in the 80’s, my dad loved taking us to the Brown Derby that was nearest to Randall Park Mall. Remember going there after many Browns games and training camps when I was a kid. Nearby was Ponderosa just outside of Randall Park Mall. -First time I’d ever tried ranch dressing or raisins on my salad. The salad bar was all we ever wanted and the chicken wings were the best. I still remember the excitement getting a tray and laying it on the rails as we poured our fountain drinks before heading to the table.
In the 90’s my buddy’s dad used to take us to George’s Dinner Bell in Mentor. I forget what their shtick was … all you can eat? Not sure but I remember it was amazing.
Within the last 10 years we made it to Sterle’s Country Inn on 55th street. Amazing European food.
It’s unfortunate that none of these places are around any longer.
Sokolowski's- A Cleveland Institutionhttps://www.sokolowskis.com/Micahel Symon's Lolita's and Lola's - Cleveland's most iconic chef and two restaurants that put the Cleveland food scene on the maphttps://www.eater.com/2016/1/11/10748648/michael-symon-lolita-fire-clevelandhttps://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/11/lola-bistro-has-permanently-closed.htmlLight Bistro - A favorite Ohio City restaurant of my wife and I's.https://www.clevescene.com/food-dri...-focus-on-hudson-based-peachtree-4341453Top of the Town - Parents took me and my buddy to brunch here twice in back-to-back years before heading to the Browns game as part of my birthday present as a kid back in the very early 90s. Felt like a king. I believe it closed by mid 90s.https://clevelandhistorical.org/index.php/files/show/10238
I had friends and family on the east and west sides of Cleveland back in the day. Back in the 80’s, my dad loved taking us to the Brown Derby that was nearest to Randall Park Mall........
It’s unfortunate that none of these places are around any longer.
There's a Brown Derby still operating in Medina. Actually, five in the area.
https://brownderbyusa.com/medina/
Whoa! Awesome! Thanks for the heads up.
Anyone know the place that was by the train tracks in Berea? Can't remember the name of it but used to go there any time my mom came to visit in college in early 2000s....
I will try to remember to look and see if it's still there the next time I am there.
I will try to remember to look and see if it's still there the next time I am there.
Kamm's Plaza is still there, but I know that old drugstore is not there, they closed in the mid 80's
ha I remember that, was born in Elyria.
ha I remember that, was born in Elyria.
I was as well. There were actually some good restaurants just outside of town. Did you ever go to Moss's (Prime Rib) when you were there?
There is still a York Steakhouse in Columbus, it’s about 10 minutes from my house near the casino. Think it’s the las one in existence. There is also a Rax on route 23 in Circleville. I always try to stop when I’m traveling through there.
Everytime we go to Waverly to visit my dad, we stop at that Rax, not the best staff, but the sandwich is still good.
There is a Marion's in Troy, I've had pizza from there a few times and to me it's the best pizza around. Wish I lived closer.
I actually lived in Troy less than ten minutes away from Marion's before moving to Tennessee. I lived there when the Marion's in Troy opened. I first ate at the original Marion's on N. Dixie Drive in Dayton when I was a child and at their location in Beavercreek when I resided in Green County.
Helen of Troy restaurant/Trojan Motor Inn.
Mom & Pop op.
I loved going there.
Looking back, I think it was one of a handful of places close to home (Lima) where we could enjoy a meal out without being stared at or treated like social oddities. The owners (can't remember their names) always welcomed us like fam, and watched me & my sis grow up.
If I dig around deeply enough, I bet I could still find my "Clean Plate Club" lapel button I was awarded after our first visit...
Captain Franks at the end of the E 9th Pier in Cleveland.. And of course, the Rusty Scupper in Playhouse Square.. Both were great, loved them. I've not been there myself but my wife and Mom in Law talk about The Silver Quill in Higbees downtown.
I also miss Quinns in Solon. Oh man, they made Chicken fingers and if you wanted to you could dip them in Vito Dressing (their own house made Italian Dressing) I loved that. In fact, I still get it at home. I make the chicken Fingers in my Air Fryer and you can still buy the Vito Dressing. I get it at Mazzulos in Aurora by Marcs.
ha I remember that, was born in Elyria.
I was as well. There were actually some good restaurants just outside of town. Did you ever go to Moss's (Prime Rib) when you were there?
Just jumpin on the Elyria train. Elyria west High school.
There was a local iconic diner here the Bel-Loc. Not great food, other than they had the best bacon. The staff was like family and treated customers that way, from the grouncy old hostess/cashier with a heart of gold that worked there for the entire 60+ year time it was in business to the newest hire that was still trying to figure out the menu when the closure was announced.
The owner retired and sold the lot to Starbucks. The Starbucks closed because the hipsters that wanted to go there couldn't handle how hard it was to get into the corner lot.
We used to do breakfast on Saturday mornings there and miss it every single Saturday morning.
You make a really good point. The best restaurant memories for me are not necessarily always about the best food. More often than not, the thing I remember is family and the people who made the experience comfortable and something to look forward to for me and my family over decades.
The unfortunate truth is that very few of these types of places exist anymore - at least not enough to pass on the experience to younger generations. Such is life.
We were out on the weekend and ran into one of the servers from Bel-Loc. It was really cool to just talk to her and reminisce for a few minutes.
Thanks! Use to love that place!
Swingo's.. The one on E 18th and Euclid... wonderful food.. Favorite dish was Brocollini...
I was about to say Balaton on Shaker Square, but I guess it's reopening officially on March 1st in Bainbridge.....
Favorite dish was Brocollini...
Not about a specific restaurant or anything, but I've never had broccolini. I have an aversion to cooked broccoli and when I had broccoli rabe once, I didn't get the hype. Is broccolini something you eat as a side or put on top of a main dish or sandwich or what?
Maybe it's something people grow up with, home-cooked etc.
Broccolini is similar to broccoli, but the florets are smaller and the stalks are longer and thinner.
It's a side dish, just like broccoli or other vegetables. I think it's primarily cooked w/garlic, parmesan, and perhaps lemon. You can partially boil the broccolini for a couple of minutes and then saute it w/the garlic and then top w/the parmesan.
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The only Arthur Treacher's restaurant left in existence can be found at 1833 State Road in Cuyahoga Falls.
isnt long john silvers the same recipe?
Broccolini is similar to broccoli, but the florets are smaller and the stalks are longer and thinner.
It's a side dish, just like broccoli or other vegetables. I think it's primarily cooked w/garlic, parmesan, and perhaps lemon. You can partially boil the broccolini for a couple of minutes and then saute it w/the garlic and then top w/the parmesan.
The way they made it it was a main dish with Pasta.. If I remember correctly, they used Rigitoni.
Pepino’s which used to be at Playhouse Square.
Mr. Steak in Maple Heights
Brown Derby on Northfield and on 21. Their salad bar was great.
Broglio’s near the Brown Derby on 21.
I worked at the Red Barn on Broadway in Maple Heights. On occasion we would borrow buns or meat from the McDonalds across the street and vice versa.
There was a Mr. Hero at the corner of Libby and Broadway in Maple Heights that had pasta on the menu. Mr. Hero tuna sub is still the best.
My initial response: the Ground round
re: Mr. Hero and others....
For whatever reason the hoagie places where I live (and in Arizona in general) have held up pretty well despite the onslaught of Subway, Blimpies, etc.
It seems like they've been able to keep their prices within range of the chains. Obviously the quality of the private, non-franchise places is better and I think - depending on the place - they offer a lot of stuff (especially Italian take-out meals) that the brand restaurants don't offer.
Within 5-7 years that will change as the kids inherit the businesses from their parents and do the financially responsible thing.
This is different than some of the great steak and authentic Sonoran restaurants that have gone by the wayside already out here.
Broccolini is similar to broccoli, but the florets are smaller and the stalks are longer and thinner.
It's a side dish, just like broccoli or other vegetables. I think it's primarily cooked w/garlic, parmesan, and perhaps lemon. You can partially boil the broccolini for a couple of minutes and then saute it w/the garlic and then top w/the parmesan.
The way they made it it was a main dish with Pasta.. If I remember correctly, they used Rigitoni.
Was it made similar to Aglio e olio, which is in olive oil and garlic or was it made w/a white sauce? I make a dish that is w/the Aglio e olio base and has broccoli, diced tomatoes, and sometimes mushrooms and then topped w/finely grated Pecorino Romano cheese, but Parmesan would be acceptable. It's pretty good, but it's best to use a lighter pasta, such as Angel Hair.
Captain Franks at the end of the E 9th Pier in Cleveland.. And of course, the Rusty Scupper in Playhouse Square.. Both were great, loved them. I've not been there myself but my wife and Mom in Law talk about The Silver Quill in Higbees downtown.
I also miss Quinns in Solon. Oh man, they made Chicken fingers and if you wanted to you could dip them in Vito Dressing (their own house made Italian Dressing) I loved that. In fact, I still get it at home. I make the chicken Fingers in my Air Fryer and you can still buy the Vito Dressing. I get it at Mazzulos in Aurora by Marcs.
Captain Frank's was a institution. The owner was Frank Visconti who born
In Sicily and would go on many deep sea excursions With Johnny Scalish..
Speaking of Quinns , I was always a fan of the Spaghetti Company
Right next to it. Dining in the wine barrels eating braciole
Is a fond memory.
I liked Also Ground Round in Kent.
Pepino’s which used to be at Playhouse Square.
Mr. Steak in Maple Heights
Brown Derby on Northfield and on 21. Their salad bar was great.
Broglio’s near the Brown Derby on 21.
I worked at the Red Barn on Broadway in Maple Heights. On occasion we would borrow buns or meat from the McDonalds across the street and vice versa.
There was a Mr. Hero at the corner of Libby and Broadway in Maple Heights that had pasta on the menu. Mr. Hero tuna sub is still the best.
Oh Man, Broglios was terrific.. Forgot all about them
Had conversations with people about local places that didn't make it over the years, and we always come back to the same recipe.
You have to have a great staff and great food, great staff and edible food, or you need great food with adequate staff. If you missing 1 of the 2 staff, food you won't survive. We will put up with sub-par staff if the food is great. and vice versa.
You have to have a great staff and great food, great staff and edible food, or you need great food with adequate staff. If you missing 1 of the 2 staff, food you won't survive. We will put up with sub-par staff if the food is great. and vice versa.
I think this is absolutely true.
But - only imo - the much younger folks ( 17-20 appx) who are currently serving but increasingly taking over the cooking duties for local and family restaurants (and making less than they could serving, cooking or assistant managing at one of the chains) will have less and less incentive to keep any sort of reasonable quality control. I guess a "work ethic" is a completely separate discussion.
Then the semi-retired or fully-retired parents/owners either close down or sell out.
Maybe it depends on the city and the impetus of those younger folks to actually stay in the city where they grew up. I don't know. It happened in a very negative way to one of my favorite privately-owned wings places over the last 8 years or so. Either the money was better at something like Buffalo Wild Wings, or the kids left for Tucson or Phoenix for "greener pastures". Unless they actively pursue and complete some sort of degree at UofA, ASU or NAU, I don't know what greener means.
Like I said, in the next decade or so, more and more of these favorite restaurants will be closing down.
You have to have a great staff and great food, great staff and edible food, or you need great food with adequate staff. If you missing 1 of the 2 staff, food you won't survive. We will put up with sub-par staff if the food is great. and vice versa.
I think this is absolutely true.
But - only imo - the much younger folks ( 17-20 appx) who are currently serving but increasingly taking over the cooking duties for local and family restaurants (and making less than they could serving, cooking or assistant managing at one of the chains) will have less and less incentive to keep any sort of reasonable quality control. I guess a "work ethic" is a completely separate discussion.
Then the semi-retired or fully-retired parents/owners either close down or sell out.
Maybe it depends on the city and the impetus of those younger folks to actually stay in the city where they grew up. I don't know. It happened in a very negative way to one of my favorite privately-owned wings places over the last 8 years or so. Either the money was better at something like Buffalo Wild Wings, or the kids left for Tucson or Phoenix for "greener pastures". Unless they actively pursue and complete some sort of degree at UofA, ASU or NAU, I don't know what greener means.
Like I said, in the next decade or so, more and more of these favorite restaurants will be closing down.
I wonder what the stats are on mom and pop business' closing or changing hands, because the kids don't want to take over the family business.
This is probably a place nobody ever heard of. It was a food truck in the south Dayton area called Voltzy's. It wasn't just the fantastic burgers and homemade soups he served up for lunch. It was also this man's huge personality. He had hilarious names for some of his burgers. The one that stands out the most is "The Clinton Divorce Finale' Special". He onlu served lunch from 11:00-2:00 but any time I was anywhere near his truck/stand I made a point to be there. RIP Voltzy.
Voltzy’s Rootbeer Stand owner passes away after battling health issues for months
MORAINE — The owner of Voltzy’s Rootbeer Stand, a favorite in the Moraine community for years, passed away today after battling health issues for months, a post on the business’ Facebook page read.
“I am so sorry to tell everyone but Rick Voltzy just passed away peacefully holding my hand,” the message read.
For months the business has been posting health updates on the longtime owner.
Voltzy’s is known for its burgers, house-made soups, slaw dogs, coneys and root beer floats — but also for the larger-than-life personality of its owner, who greeted customers by name and delivered good-natured insults in rapid-fired banter.
Volz had also added a burger to the menu called “The Yuna Lee” named after former WHIO-TV reporter and anchor Yuna Lee.
Recent health issues resulted in Volz having a portion of his leg amputated and a implantable cardioverter-defibrillator put in, according to a GoFundMe page. Co-workers shared that his condition rapidly deteriorated over the weekend prior to his death today.
Volz has been in business for more than 23 years.
https://www.whio.com/news/local/vol...ssues-months/Z5N3NK5H55AVBNCBMX5ZF7WZL4/
Bird, The Brown Derby on Northfield is the one that referenced also. - As a kid my dad loved going there after Browns games back in the ‘80’s. Do you remember the sports bar that they had just to the left of the hallway as you’d enter the restaurant?
Also, the Mr. Hero in Maple … was that across from the McDonald’s at the corner of Broadway and Granger?
Does anyone remember a family restaurant called Teddy's at Southgate? They had a fabulous salad bar and great entrees. Also remember The Mark at Burke Lakefront airport.
I will never remember the name but there was a small restaurant on 245 in lorain that always seemed to have fresh fried perch and perch dinners. Breaded and fried perfectly. Best perch I ever had and I have had it many many many times.
Re: fresh, fried perch.
And I know I'm not making a closed restaurant post, but
when I moved west, this was one of the top 3 foods I missed most (especially with dill tartar sauce). Can't get it out here obviously.
I texted a friend who lived near there. He membered. The Gin Mill. He said the secret was cracker crumbs for breading