Meet the new Browns.

Same as the old Browns.

Bad Day Period!!!!

QB sucks.

o line sucks.

WR sucks.

ST sucks.

Coaches suck.

Kicker sucks.

not good

baker is still taking a beating

devalve

Vegas is not even taking bets on who Hue throws under the bus first.

ratley cant do it lol

Goodbye Hue! Finally!

i believe so too

wost special teams in the history of the game.

Team is getting worse every week. It has quit.

td

Stupid post

in 5 defenders

fin

W-L record plus the play on the field says you’re the one making the stupid post.

Out manned, out played, out coached. Disheartening. Hate this feeling in my stomach every week. Worse when we play pit.

We stink that's about it

At least we didn't almost have six heart attacks.

Apparently the Browns do not practice tackling on defense

Then add the fact that we are short a MLB, CB and a FS

Plus we only have three OL players and two blocking dummies on the ends

Now with all of that just imagine .... we don’t have a real HC .... just a wannabe.

I used the term "unraveling" and caught heck for it...they've nearly unraveled to the core.

Fire Hue Enough is Enough 3-36-1

We need to draft the Best LT in the draft

We need to look at OL in FA

We need a #1 Wr

We need a dominating OLB that can rush the passer

we need a S like Don Rogers/Eric Turner

This offensive line is horrible. Playing Tretter hurt was a dumb move.

Not playing DeValve till garbage time baffles me.

Worst tackling defense I ever saw. IMO, this defense is so overrated. Can't cover a screen and can't stop a running back they know is getting the ball.

Dorsey needs to get this kid some recievers.

I like Haley, but he seems stubborn about who sees the field.

I was all for Hue, but I think the time has come, and I hate to say that. But this team is not prepared, and that is on him.

I don't see but maybe a couple more wins all season, if that.

And the Factory of Sadness continues.

What did Dorsey say when asked how long to build a winner....? He held up 3 fingers. And those weren't months. Young team all over the place. I get the rush guys but lets be realistic.

It’s time to shut Baker Mayfield down for the year.

Need to bring him into the office and explain to him that he did nothing wrong, he just simply isn’t ready and that’s on the ownership, coaches, and GM not Baker. Explain to him he will get his shot next year with a better line and supporting cast. Tell him it’s sinply not productive to put him back out their under current conditions especially our OL. I think the kid will understand that and appreciate the honesty.

We play Taylor the rest of the year then let Taylor leave via FA.

We are very close to ruining Mayfield. He has developed happy feet, he is hearing footsteps, and he is questioning himself and not pushing downfield like he was before.

We need to the only non-Browns thing we can do. Shut Baker down for the year give the kid a chance to develop. The only things he is learning now are things you don’t want him learning like happy feet...the whole thing has become non productive due to injuries and such no need to make the situation worse

If Taylor plays im not even watching anymore.

Dorsey benefits greatly by the rebuild taking longer. Teams across the league turn teams around every year.

If I Taylor plays the rest of the year we definatly will lose the rest ...

Hear talk of canning Haley. I don't know if that would be good or bad. The gameplan is horrible every week.

"Cancel that mead!"

"You have cancer in your brain"

"Okay. Cut my leg off."

"That won't do anyth. . ."

"Cut my leg off."

Tired of hearing about the defense wearing down. If they could tackle a RB, they could get off the field.

I have hope for Mayfield. Got to protect him and the WRs need to catch the ball.

To be fair, our entire team has basically played an extra game.

Wow .... I agree with this a lot, but I do like our WR’s considering that they are so young and 3 of them on IR

I understand that, and it is a poor excuse for bad tackling. The defensive scheme lets teams run at will, and screens go uncovered. It's sickening to watch.

Exactly

This is the second game this year the team has quit.

The only reason people support this staff is the team plays hard for them. They no longer do. The team is deflated, beaten, and a mess.

He has no WRs!

Hey, Tyronne Lue is available?? lmao...

There's not much to add to the above posts...without an Oline you have no chance of succeeding in this league...and we DON'T have a legit Oline. What do you guys expect Baker to do?

I am not sure what we are trying to do offensively? Pittsburgh seemed to know exactly what we were doing though. Every play they had four guys on LOS and would drop one back and rush a LB from the opposite side. We obviously never picked up on it. Who do we have up in the booth watching?

Haslam has some decisions to make. Not sure what we gain by firing Hue tonight...BUT at what point do you say enough is enough? This team just doesn't seem prepared week in and week out. Don't know what the right answer is...

You can like them all you want, doesnt mean we have a true #1 on this roster, we do not.

WE a #2, a #3, and a lot of guys that should be bagging groceries

Here we go:

OK! I read this, and I see 3 unorthodox ideas, in the above post.

Problem is: is , At least it's 3 ideas, What ideas does the team appear to be trying except stay the course,
another rookie QB, continue to cut veterans on the offensive skilled position side of the ball,

Oh Well, I feel like they've made no progress since Butch Davis was head coach, and that is heartbreaking.

8 first downs in the first half,

The scoring opportunity,
1st down at their 25 up 6-0 and come away with a missed fg.

Oh yea I forgot we need a Veteran kicker too ...

They should take Fouts to Pittsburgh and let him get on his knees at midfield and do what he needs to service the whole team. I hate cheerleading announcers during a game. Reminds me of Collinsworth, they both orgasm while watching the steelers

KC next week...

He sounds emotional.

Hmmm, you may very well have something

LMAO, you read my mind

battled

Our WRs need to run better deep routes.

We need to keep punching instead of not being the aggressor and taking punches. I'm not talking play calling, I'm talking the attitude. We seem to play scared at times.

Forcing the ball to Landry is not the answer to our O problems.

That was ugly. Come on bye week. We need you.

He was very reserved. No one under the bus.

He has to watch alot of tape.

I will stop short of saying they have quit, but there was a notable lack of intensity (I'm being kind here) from mid 3rd qtr on. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one or more of the coaching staff are walked out of the building tomorrow. It can't get much worse; may as well do it now...

Maybe he's quit too. If Hue's not throwing people under the bus, then you know something is really going wrong.

Baker with another comment on how good the coaching was for the other team.

How about we at least try to block the pass rusher from the right edge? Is that too much to ask?

Landry is not a deep threat, it's not his game but there is no one else to fill that roll.

It was embarrassing, the last drive. We knew they'd be running but he carves us up anyway. Show some pride, boys.

We can't keep coming away with just field goals early in the game. Again, I hate our kicker.

I kept thinking the same thing. Call a timeout! Get us the ball back with a chance to get points before the end of the half! That was stupid, and I've defended Hue.

- The Browns continue to regress as a team.

- The pass protection by the OL is completely unacceptable.

- Desmond Harrison continues to play horrendously as the weeks progress.

- Baker's play/demeanor is as though he knows he has no chance behind this line.

- James Connor abused the defense all day.

- The defense just quit towards the end.

- The Browns won the turnover battle again and it proves meaningless.

- Where was Njoku all game?

- Jamie Collins was active. Denzel Ward played solid.

- Greg Joseph, bye bye.

- Nick Chubb had a nice game.

- Things are close to unraveling and quickly. Playing KC next week will not help matters.

- The team looks like it lacks confidence.

- Hopefully, the tension amongst the coaches doesn't hurt the growth of Mayfield.

- Whether now or later, there is zero chance Hue is back next year.

- The Browns won't even playing meaningful football in November. Sad.

Jamie Collins appeared to miss a grasp of the runner on the last given up Td.

Can this Team win 2 in a row in the final 8 before the season ends?


The Browns should have had a 3 game win streak including the Raiders and Ravens games and Jets, except the Oakland game was stolen from them.



Even though that Raider game was apparently "stolen" from them, the coaches,
Could have gone for it on 4th and one to take a knee an end it and

Also could have used a timeout, (if the rules don't disallow it, as far as I know the rules do allow it)
could have used a timeout between the TD and the 2 pt conversion to allow the Raiders to tie, force overtime, wherein the Browns lost in ot.

could have been a 3 game win streak,

again, Can they win 2 games in a row, before the season ends?

Will we ever get an explanation why they cut Carlos Hyde, and others. probably no.

Baker definitely needs more weapons and a better O-line. Tough game.

We have lots of those.

Hyde was not cut he was traded and the evidence as too why is #24

Is there any more telling stat than this^^^^^^!

The Browns came in to the game leading the league in turnover ratio.

They are "solidly" last in the division. Is there anything more telling than that!

Can somebody wake the (still alive) of John Madden and remember what he's famous for saying about wins and turnoer margin?

You might actually have a point even though I have disagreed with you on this subject. I just don't know anymore.

the wheels of this wagon have officially fallen off and it's not even November yet. Baker already has the 1000 yard stare.

Josh Gordon who?

Also, it would be nice to pick up the blitz once in a while.

Before everyone bags on Baker, he has no one to throw to.
Landry is the only legit receiver.
It will take more than one year to rebuild this team, under the new GM.

Chubb did good.

Good thing we've been doing it for longer than that.

Not with Dorsey we haven't.

Can't deny he is far more agressive in FA and better draft picks, than maybe the last 20 year of crap FO.

Don't we still have the highest salary cap space and yet we cannot sign a veteran kicker?!?

Amazes me...or we couldnt sign a veteran WR to at least temporarily patch our WR core and to help aid Baker...I'm not understanding a lot with this team

Does anyone wonder if Haslem caps his GM? ...like he gives them a $ figure to how much they can can really spend...Because it blows my mind that Dorsey hasn't really tried improving this team since the seasons started. We really needed an ace kicker...he gives a UDFA a minimum rc deal...our basket is so bare at WR, but we promote PS players to aid our #1 overall pick (Baker)...

Perhaps I'm just searching but wonder if Dorsey spent all the money Haslem allowed him to spend.

I also agree with signing a vet receiver. I do not claim to be a GM, but why we dont use some of the massive amount of money we have is head scratching to me.

Chubb is playing very well so that's making the trade sting less but how about getting some more talent at other positions.

Or nfl receivers

Dorsey’s knock in Kc was he didn’t trust his scouts and thought he was smarter than everyone. Def some head scratchers

This is where I'm at right now. The team has money and draft capital, if they want to compete, they need to bring in players that can help, and do it now. Continuing to let the team flounder with no depth and many injuries,just makes it harder for a rookie QB to develop, make a move to shore the thing up.


I don't understand Dorsey not signing a receiver, when it is painfully obvious that Baker has one option.


Another thing I don't understand, is DeValve. He makes plays everytime he is on the field, yet he never plays. I think that is on Haley.


The more I look at this, I think Haley might be the problem.

James Conner is really good. Good for him

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Myles Garrett said #Browns should’ve stuck with Week 1 defensive gameplan v #Steelers instead of switching looks up this week

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43m43 minutes ago

Need a new kicker? Hue: “we’ll see” #Browns

It is the Pittsburgh system. Over the years there have been multiple RBs that looked great, yet when traded, they were average at best. Makes me wonder if Bell is really as good as most think. This kid is doing everything he did.

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Hue asked why he didn’t use timeouts late in the second quarter: Honestly I don’t even recall that.

If I am Jimmy Haslem I just can't keep Hue, I mean if I claim to be a good business man how could I justify keeping a person who is so bad for my business ...

Yeah our ultimate goal is to protect our #1 investment (Baker) however we let him get murdered week in and out...

Baker has no weapons, and he is getting killed out there...

We have known for over 8 weeks we have noone besides Landry to throw to...but we sit on our own hands and think bottom of the league practice squad talent is going to help Baker stud out? ...lack of sense going on...like I said even if they have given someone a 1 year deal to at least give Baker an outlet or someone whom knows how to get open..

While I say Baker is far from perfect...you cant expect him to progress when you give him s$!t to play with.

Whoa. Garrett has been unimpeachable until this point. Him saying this makes me think he is a team spokesmen.

That is incredible.I'm starting to turn on Hue, even though I don't want to. I still think Haley is the problem.

It was interesting.

They are both the problem.

Sean McVay can remember every play EVER.

I think millennials are just better than everyone else at everything.

could be

I hate millenials.

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Duke Johnson: 4 touches today
David Njoku: 0 touches today

Please just fire Hue, I've been in this guy's corner until now.

I'm tired of it, it's time to move on.

Garrett sucks, relatively speaking of course.

Play does not match expectations.

This is just not true. He's one of the best defensive players in the league and it's his second year.

A lot of times I see Garrett only single blocked too

He must have something against Garrett because anyone making that statement makes us see he doesn't know much about the game when Garrett is one of the top DE's in the NFL and 31 other team would love to have him ...

i love you too

I just cant fathom how many free rushers they had today

Consistently blocked 1 on 1.

Consistently runs himself out of plays.

Opposing Os run right at him because he always runs himself out of plays.

Does not make game changing plays during the most critical situations.

I think people are confusing being the #1 overall pick as instantly being good.

I'm not saying he's not part of the core that will hopefully be leading this team in the future. I'm not saying I don't want him. But he's not been a game changer.

And I admit, I am a tough critic. And I'm hardest on the players who are supposed to be the best.

Myles Garrett set the Browns Franchise Record for most sacks through half a season, 8, today.
If that means anything.

It doesn't seem like Mayfield is allowed to change the protection (or play) at the line.

Ogbah disappeared today. Ogunjobi? did he play?

He is doubled on more than 3/4 of the plays and held on about 90% of his snaps watch the game and you will see it ...

I hope that's not true.

Or maybe he doesn't know what he's seeing.

Either case would be bad.

To me, Baker's confidence (which is a HUGE asset) looks shot. Doesn't have the same swagger or assuredness

Agreed. Baker seems to make very few audibles...

Agreed. Either he's not allowed or oblivious. Both are bad.

Hmmmm Myles Garrett is on that list

If you go back and chart the game and prove he was doubled on 3/4 of the plays I will aplolgize and take back what I said.

I'm not sure it's 3/4 of the time

I do know that teams love running at him

jc

i just thought of something that made be totally depressed:

Brandon Weeden still managed to get 5 wins in 2012 as a rookie. there's a great chance Baker doesn't reach that this season.

It all changed, to me, after a complete overreaction to his mistakes in the Chargers game. They stressed check downs all week. Came out with a soft, check down game plan the following week.

Has not been the same since.

Sure but you see the difference between those two QBs, right?

Who is Sean McVay again??

Help me out. Which part of today's debacle that I suffered through, a little help, please, which part was Hue's 'infusion' because I couldn't make it out? Glad DeValve found the field.
Should Tretter start again or heal up some?

We need tackling practice. This was painful to watch. BM looked about lost. Our offense was a poser today.

Could be the case. He's aggressive by nature

Come on, man.

the only difference i care about is W-L. obviously, we won't be going into next season or *hopefully* the next 15 years looking for a QB. i'm a baker supporter.

but i care about W-L. the style of play means nothing to me if they still catching L's left and right.

I can't believe I am saying this, but Shurmur > Hue.

That garbage time TD throw he made to Devalve was a normal throw for him during the game when the game was still undecided until the last 2 games.

Ha. Beat me to it. Was about to post the same thing.

Problem is teams are blitzing teh HECK out of us

What happened to drop, set, trust what you see, fire?

They've got him completely screwed up.

I agree with a millennial here.

This was before today:

This season's schedule is probably way tougher than what Brandon Weeden faced.

There's no cream puffs on our schedule. We have one of the toughest schedules in the league.

Raiders and Bucs?

The schedule always seems hard because Cleveland is so bad.

Um. Those are not cream puffs.

I don't know what you're smoking, but puff puff pass.

Yes they are the Raiders are 1-5 and the Bucs are 3-4.

LOL

The Raiders are a one win team and traded their best player before the season.

I will give you the Raiders.

We should have beat them.

But not the Bucs.

They not cream puffs.

Regardless, out of a 16 game schedule, you can only name two semi-weak teams?

They said Chubb was 18 for 60, <<< no, not quite, but he was something today, and came to 3.61 or something per carry.

So Chubb is returning to Hyde's per carry production,

Hyde was helping this team.

Let's go hang a half a hundred on the Chief's next week.

The Bucs have one of the worst defenses in the league and fired their coordinator a week before we played them. Their QB is a turnover machine.

You’re stretching.

Why do they not use Devalve more he has great hands and Njoku had no catches today???

Im still waiting for the incredible Duke Johnson to break off a 40 yd plus run or catch.
I thought someone thought he was a All Pro WR in the making?

this post is nonsense.

Weird because they nearly beat the Bengals today, a team we have almost zero chance in beating.

The Bengals are beatable ...

Worst game this year... will be surprised if someone isn’t fired

Does it bother anybody else that when Landry catches the ball he always stops and tries to juke the defender and ends up losing a yard? Just catch the ball and move up field.

Not by us, or many other teams....

Yes, I noticed that too.

Man, I don't know what the answer is. It's obvious that this is Haley's offense, and that it's failing badly. However, Hue hired Haley, so that's a failure on his part.

*Sigh* I just don't know. Today was a total wipeout. We started out OK, but then just fell apart.

Yes! Was screaming the very same thing at the tv today.

Jarvis Landry = Mr. Bojangles

He's on pace to catch more than 90 passes.

I've seen him lose yards constantly because of this. It's not like he is real quick or anything. The guy is a slot-possession receiver, need to play him there not on the outside.

I didn’t know that when the NFL and the City worked the deal to keep the team name, colors and history, that it meant that’s all the team would ever have.

He is catching passes, but he also gives up yardage.

Baker has no one else to throw to.

for 300 yards

Regarding Garrett...does anyone have have stats on RBs averages when they run to his side? Sacks aside, I think his run defense has to be some of the worst in the league. I could he wrong though but it surely seems like everyone loves to run right at him

im not gonna kill landry for trying to make plays, especially with the lack of talent and pressure surrounding him. we have way bigger problems.

Landry thinks he is Tyrek Hill.but hes not.
Landry catches the ball. buts hes not a deep threat. hes a possession WR getting paid gamebreaker money.
hes not one to turn a 12 yd slant into a 56 yd TD

yeah, his run defense at the point of attack must improve

What happened today is very much as I expected. Pittsburgh couldn't wait to play us again after that, to them, embarrassing tie. They played physical on both sides and blitzed constantly. They had a good game plan and executed it well. Could it be the coaching?

No

So why then were they blitzing us and we had no one to pick up the blitzers?

Repeatedly?

Vers,

Serious questions …

1. Protection issues today. On Haley? On Baker? On both? Do you know? What do you suspect by what you saw?

2. If you were the O coord and the defense consistently was getting free rushers to the QB, what would you do? I'd screen them to death. Or commit to the run way more than we did today.

3. After the coaches made somewhat of a big deal about Baker's mistakes in the Chargers game, they stressed the checkdowns. Came out against a weak TB team and you could tell the game plan was to have Baker recognize the short patterns quickly and get the ball out of his hands. I believe this was an overreaction to Baker's play and has seemed to have changed his mindset. He had 0 plus level throws today until Devalve and that doesn't really count. He was under duress all day, but what happened to drop, set, fire? I can't imagine this is "tape" on Mayfield. This seems to be something else. What are your thoughts on this?

O-line was horrid, especially the Center and Tackles.

Baker has to read his hot routes. Few times he could have dumped the ball to the RB on blitzes, and he didn't.

Why can't we tackle? Why was Collins at the Mike spot?

Why can't our team do the simple things right, like make an extra point and FG?

Only bright light this game for me was Chubb... and a Devalve sighting!

Why wasnt Devalve in the game.
Why didnt we throw to tight ends.
Why did Garret call out the coach on scheme.

Just my 2 cents on something...

Redskins Giants game...We know how bad and slow Eli has became, we know how horrid their Oline is...However Eli had clean pockets, and it snot because his Oline is full of stars...It's because the Redskins would sit and cover all the weapons he has (Engram, Odell, Shepherd, Barkley)...I mean they still lost, but when you have the threat of targets all over the field the D is going to take that to account and back off.

Baker was being rushed relentlessly (how many times did we only see 3 or 4 rushers?...I cant think of alot of plays) Pitt knows Landry is the only threat (slide blanket coverage) so they dictate what Baker can do...They know Calloway is easy to bump off his route and tires, They know that Njoku is soft and just hassle him...and that is all you have to do, as we lack threats.

Mayfield was high on a lot of his throws
Offensive line did not look good
Chubb looked good early on
We got lucky on the free kick
DeValve made plays in garbage time
Njoku had zero targets
Garrett with another sack but didn’t play well overall
Collins was active
Kindred with a pick and a blown zone coverage for a long TD
Ward played well

I don’t think the defense quit. I think they were worn out

the Browns oline is a finese oline.
DeValve is over rated.
defenses are compressing everything cause they dont have to worry about Landry getting behind them.
one way to stop blitzers is going to a power run game
or screens.

How is Devalve overrated? Extremely limited snaps, and comes in and scores. IMO, He has way better hands than Njoku.

DeValve is like Duke from years past.
both players got alot of targets on really porous offenses.
he has good hands ok sure. but hes a limit route runner and is he isnt a physical TE.
hes overrated on this board.
hes good for depth. buts not starting material.

So, he’s not physical, so what? He catches balls, and can move th chains, just what a TE is supposed to do. He runs good enough routes to get open, isn’t that his job?

With DeValve and Njoku, this team should be runnin two TE sets all the time.

Problem is neither can block.

Neither can our o-line, symmetry is a wonderful thing.

Use them as the Pats used the Gronk/Hernandez tandem. All we really need for them to do is move the chains. If all they do is chip and go, so be it.

Just a matter of time now for when Jackson is fired.

The jury is still out on the catching part too.

DeValve is not one to fight through multiple tacklers and drag guys.
he doesnt always fight for the ball either.
hes a decent TE. but he does not really put fear in a secondary.

I didn't get a chance to post my thoughts from last week's game... Had an unbelievably long week that started pretty much right after the Browns game.

Today was rough. I felt like we regressed as a team back to what we have been. We looked a lot more like the 0-16 Browns, than the team that was competing every week.

I just think it's time for Hue to go. I'm not a big fan of firing coaches mid-season, but I think an exception can be made here. The guy turned out to be a fraud. He walked into the building literally with a standing ovation and gave us 3 wins in 3 years. Enough is enough. This team continues to be sloppy, undisciplined, and worst of all, extremely predictable.

That's not to say that we really have anyone fit to take over. Haley and Williams have both been HC"s before, but both were failed attempts, and would clearly just be cleaning up the mess until the entire staff gets replaced after the season.

I thought Nick Chubb ran well today and was one of the only positive things we saw. He looks like a legitimate starting RB. A guy that can give you a pretty big volume of carries.

Baker Mayfield had a rough day. Like a lot of young QB's have going into Pittsburgh. It's not all him, these receivers were horrible today. Just awful. I saw Landry quit on a ball thrown to him. Callaway had one nice play, but it was on a drive that was flagged every single play.

Special teams continues to be a mess. I'd fire the coordinator now and see if someone else can do any better.

I told my cousin today that Greg Williams runs a good defense when you have a high powered offense. When your offense can put up points in bunches, and you force teams to be one sided, the pressure Williams' defenses can create is a pretty good match. But that's not what we have here, and this isn't going to work. Adjustments were made from last game. There's no creativity. It's pretty predictable and we consistently get beat on screens, bubble screens, and short crossing routes. Eventually our db's will get caught with our pants down like they did on that first AB touchdown.

We miss Joe Schobert, but it's not an excuse.

I think there needs to be a happy medium between Baker Mayfield fitting into an NFL offense, and having a coach who can fit an offense around Mayfield's strongest attributes. Which is why I think the rumors of Lincoln Riley are intriguing. I don't think it'll happen, and sadly as much as I love John Dorsey, he seems like a guy that will stick with the old guard as far as coaching goes, and not think outside the box, but I hope I'm wrong.

I really thought we'd be hearing news of a firing tonight, but it seems like Hue is going to survive another week.

Just watched Hue and Baker's post game pressers and it's the same thing every week....Hue...I have to watch the tape and we have to fix what's wrong...... Baker....We need to play better and learn from our mistakes.... Both of them said the same thing last week.I am so sick of losing,especially to teams in our division.

the center was playing with a high ankle sprain...whos our backup center?????,,,lol.....the tackles are backups at best, the rookie shows promise, but is like 3rd string....

baker is rookie of the week(2x) and doing things decent....give this kid an o line...and wow!

you are totally right, i mean missed tackles are bad on this team?

you are correct at the simple things, i dont ever remember thinking kicking wasn't usually automatic, if fact the whole special teams has been stupid bad

chubb looked good... all i saw today is a line that cant pass block....and thats scary...but we got a kiddo who can win rookie of the week 2x in 8 games with this line...i think they can fix the line and add weapons next year...we were 0 and 16 last year.....those of you that are thinking playoffs....yeah no...but the thing is, we really do look like we got a team at times..next years draft if done right, could propel this team biiiiiig time

None of this is Baker Mayfield's fault.

He doesn't coach the team or OC.

He has very few offensive weapons to throw to.

We traded away our #1 WR for peanuts.

Nobody picks up the blitz. This isn't new. Other teams blitz us with no resistance week after week and we do nothing about it. How is he supposed to throw when he is running for his life?

tldr: We don't have all the pieces and our offensive coaching is extremely questionable.

A lot of what went bad was Baker's fault today. But Hue is getting the blame.

With that said, Baker is a rookie and there are going to be growing pains. He needs to do a much better job of recognizing where the blitz is coming from and then exploiting it.

We started off well w/the scripted plays, because Haley called screens that went over the top of the blitz. Once Baker had to make the pre-snap reads, we went into the abyss.

And this is not me bashing Baker. He's a rookie who never had to do those things in college. But, it's a learning process.

The Raiders won a game? Oh, right.

This concerns me since presnap reads should be easy. Hell, I can do it from my couch.

Baker has been touted for his intelligence. If what you say is true, the kid doesn't have a chance.

Recognizing the blitz? This is Baker's fault that there was straight up nobody blocking the blitzers? They ran right up in there unimpeded?

Yes. Baker needs to work on his imaginary force field to stop unimpeded blitzers.

Eve, it's a learning process for Baker. I am not bashing him. It's something he has to work on.

Yes, QBs should be able to read where the blitz is coming from. They will call out a hot route and/or make a sight adjustment to beat the unblocked blitzer. They exploit it.

If you remember, Haley did a great job in the first quarter w/his scripted plays of being the blitz. We threw screens over the top of the blitz and ran delayed handoffs to counteract the blitz. It worked and we were gashing them.

Once Baker had to make the reads on his own.........he failed. I'm okay w/it because he is a smart guy and I think he will get better at it.

I'm not so sure on his post-snap reads, but I do think he'll get a lot better w/his pre-snap reads.

It's not a learning process. It's an OC fail.

Straight up fail.

This problem started happening with the Chargers. They were blitzing without us blocking them.

I didn't get to to see the TB game, so I don't know if it happened in that game.

But then today Pitt is doing it.

And our OC has done nothing to stop it.

I can't even remember the last time we had this problem in general before this season.

It's an OC problem not a QB problem. It's pretty damn obvious when they are blitzing and their blitzer isn't even being blocked by us. At all.

Effing fix it already. This isn't new.

Okay.............I tried.

Carry on.

There is a difference between a QB responding to pressure, and a QB being a lamb to slaughter because nobody picks up the blitzers.

I know this is crazy, but just hear me out:

What if the QB knew the blitz was coming and changed the protection or the play?

Everyone in the universe knew the blitz was coming, so if he didn't change it, I'd guess he doesn't have that ability.

Makes me wonder if he has permission to change the play?

OMG!

So Hayley needs to be smacked.

Not a Baker problem.

Eve, I like you and I think you are smarter than most of the dolts on here. I took time to try to educate you on a football issue. I wasn't trying to argue w/you. I was trying to help you.

If you wanna argue.........I'm out.

I better clarify that............you once gave me advice on how to market my online business. You have more experience than I do at that and I appreciated your advice. I didn't act like you were clueless.

I'm not trying to argue with you in particular.

I'm just opinionated because I don't feel Baker deserves any blame.

I have seen our QBs thrown under the bus soooooooo many times.

And I don't want him thrown under the bus because he doesn't deserve it.

It's a coaching problem. And a lack of talent on O problem. Not a Baker problem.

we're on very dangerous ground here IMO.

We have KC, ATL, CIN, CAR, HOU, etc on the horizon

ALL have good offenses. And ALL of them can COPY exactly what teams have done since the SD game: BLITZ and make it muddy for Baker.

We have nothing over the top and our OL has been exposed. Teams aren't afraid of us one bit. And we haven't shown the ability to adjust.

That is a valid question. Can anyone elaborate...thanks.

I've read on here that people say it appears he doesn't have that permission. I don't know myself.

No one knows ... its all pure speculation ...

The thing is with qb’s audabiling ... today theres so many variations of audabiling ... can he change the play to anything he wants ...

Do they call a run play in the huddle but give the opportunity to “check” into a pass

Do they give him a base play in the huddle and then give him 2 or 3 “check” to options ...

There’s so many different “levels” today ...

And even if we knew if he could audible or not ... no one on here or not in the building would have any clue if Bake’s ready for it ... i would imagine all qb’s are ready for that in a different time frame ... i would imagine rookie qb’s have the tightest handcuffs on them when it comes to changing plays ...

I’m surprised more people haven’t noticed it, but the word is out on Baker and the Ravens showed the entire NFL:

Keep Baker in the pocket and blitz up the middle. His height disadvantage means he doesn’t see people fast enough. Thus they pressure and sack him. Baker has yet to prove he can beat this. In fact he has failed to beat this scheme every time it’s used against him. Baker is ok throwing against Cover 3 zones and soft cover 2, but he struggles big time throwing against middle blitz pressure with man coverage

Teams will keep doing it till he prove he can beat it, and so far Mayfield has been unable to do so

So the rookie qb is struggling with blitzes and tight man coverage ...

Huh ... that hardly ever happens ... ...

eve and versatile, isn’t it possible that both of you are right?? baker has a lot to learn about picking up the blitz and reacting. He will get better with experience. But, shouldn’t we be doing better picking up blitzers and at least getting a helmet on them to slow them down?? doesn’t someone on the line have the responsibility of making blocking calls??
here is what puzzles me. I saw on here a stat that we blitz roughly 30% of the time. If we did that yesterday how many times did we put real pressure on the qb? I remember one sack and other than that I do not remember any pressure at all on their qb. Meanwhile our qb was under pressure the entire game. Other teams just seem to blitz more successfully than us. I do not understand why that is.
This was just a very discouraging week for the browns.

j/c:

Didn't like to see/here Myles Garret calling out the defensive gameplan (and thus Williams) to the media. He is picking up on a "Hue Habit".

90 catches for 108 yards. He cant get open downfield.

"Hue, why didn't you use timeouts at the half"

"honestly I don't even recall that. "

This just isn't good right now. Not sure what the heck is happening. Is it Hue, is it Todd, is it Williams, is it Baker, is it a lack of receivers that can get open?

I honestly don't know the answer, but they gotta get this fixed or heads have to roll.....

I'm not one to call for the firing of a HC in the middle of a season, it generally doesn't do anything for the team. But maybe, this time is THE time.

Who replaces him?

W-L records of NFL teams with best turnover differentials

+10 Browns 2-5-1
+7 Bears 4-3
+7 Seahawks 4-3
+6 Rams 8-0
+6 Redskins 5-2
+5 Chargers 5-2
+4 Chiefs 7-1

Browns
W-L percentage .313

Rest of list
W-L percentage .750

https://twitter.com/CPatrickNFL/status/1056897230764994560

thats sad

A couple comments in response to some of the posts.

I rarely like blowing up the coaching staff or GM staff for that matter. I think it leads to guys who can play being let go for younger players who are "the new regime/coaching staff's" guys. My memory is not good enough to recall specifically many mid-season changes of coaching staffs that have worked. I know some have and the one most obviously in my head was Marty replacing Sam at mid-season in 1984. Sam was 1-7, Marty went 4-4 after. Who knows if a coaching change will help?

My other thoughts regard the comments of people have wondering if Baker had "authority" to change a play. First off, I don't think we should know, or the media even for that matter. If I was GM and the coach had that "rule" and he announced it to the media, I would be extremely upset.

It is nobody's business if Baker was given that authority by Hue or Todd. Why would you let your opposing defense know that.

I wish our coaches and FO would stick to coach speak and leaks to the media drive me nuts. If I were GM/President/owner and critical information or team infighting was making it to the media I would try my best to find out who and fire them instantly. I always hate it during draft time when teams give hints as to who they like. IT can inly hurt for other teams to know that information. Only info I am letting out is smoke screens.

If I released confidential business info and they found it is was me I would expect to lose my job.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

One telling thing: our last possession (score was 33-12) started and Pittsburgh was still bringing pressure, at least to start the possession.

This tells me they smelled blood in the water (not in terms of that particular game, but in terms of the state of our team/franchise). They wanted to further ruin Baker and our leadership.

Do the others have kickers? It is pathetic to see a D getting the ball back as they struggle, and give it back to a lousy offense like us.

I remember Chucky in Tampa I believe, and he said to his Def that if they can get 25 turnovers they will be in the SB during a practice.

we have what 22, 23 now, and are in the basement....smh.

he was never that type of receiver.

Let's face it we do have some talent on this team but we need more. Another good draft and FA period may put us where we need to be. I really believe if you put Baker on the Chiefs, Saints, Rams etc. with all that O talent he would be more productive. We just aren't there yet and it shows.

No, but hes not living up to the bill of his sale so far either. He has given some lack luster effort at times if you ask me.

Hes making big time money to produce plays and make catches past the chains, hes not doing either.

7 catches for 30 yards or whatever he had yesterday - no thanks.

He can’t do things by himself .. hes a WELL ABOVE AVERAGE NFL WR and were lucky to have him ... he can get downfield and produce ...

We have PROBLEMS right now on O ... HES NOT ONE OF THEM ...

He's a slot guy who's been asked to play the Z-Receiver spot. Its not his forte. Right now, the closest thing we have to a true WR1 is Callaway, and he is still very raw. That said, I have been less than thrilled with Landry's effort and body language. Yesterday, Mayfield threw a laser to him - open - about 15 or 20 yards downfield in a crossing pattern, and the ball appeared to go right through his hands. It may have been a touch high, just above his head, but Landry short-armed it and it went right through his hands. The announcer said Mayfield overthrew him, but it looked very catchable to me.

Maybe he would be doing better if our star qb could get him the ball?

The dude caught more passes than any WR in the history of the NFL in his first 4 years. He did it w/guys like Tannehill, Cutler, and Moore.

And yeah, I'm supposed to believe that he suddenly got terrible in year 5.

I am not sure why you even respond to some of those guys. I'm not going to. I finally took your advice. I'm not replying to them anymore.

Yes, we need a higher level of Dawgtalkers for guys like you and a few others where you could all spend your days on hardcore football jawboning without having to interact with all of us unwashed, ignorant deplorables. That's the ticket.

I don't mind those that are ignorant. I just don't like when the ignorant try to pretend they are intelligent about matters they know nothing about.

In plain English............I don't think Landry has suddenly lost it and I don't think he is even remotely to blame for our offensive problems.

Oh, so your coach fetish dude got fired, and now you're upset at the world. Got it.

Even attacking the qb? I expected better out of you.

Geese, do I have to repost my Landry Slot Receiver Basics 101 rant again? OK, here goes...

Landry is a very good slot receiver, but he is NOT a #1 receiver. He lacks the raw speed and height to perform effectively in that role.

Landry flourishes best when paired with a true #1 receiver who takes the top off the defense thus lengthening the field of play, which in turn opens up midfield space where Landry does his best work.

Landry publicly acknowledged this in an interview back in pre-season. He stated that he was really looking forward to Josh Gordon's return. When asked why he wanted to see the return of a seeming rival, Landry explained how Josh's deep threat presence made his own job easier and helped him to be a much better receiver.

But now, Landry has been asked to be a #1 receiver, or has been paired off with a raw rookie and incapable wannabe #1 receiver. Landry's numbers have tanked as a result, BUT IT IS NOT HIS FAULT!

If Dorsey can bring in a real #1 receiver next season, Landry should be back to his good ole self and once again will do very fine work in the slot. Hurrah!

arch, you are following me around again. Please stop.

Ah. I see. On a public message board, YOU are allowed to post what you want, but others aren't allowed to reply to your public posts.

Nah, I don't understand. I know you are hurt/bothered by your boy getting canned. I'm not following you around. Nice try though.

I always appreciate those that want to speak, and get defensive when someone disagrees with them, and then say "troll" , or "quot stalking me", or "quit following me around."

It's funny.

You are ONLY replying to me. You are trying to bait me into another fight so you can then report me and get me suspended for bickering again.

You have made about 8 or so posts tonight and each one was an attack on me. You haven't talked about anything else in both football forums.

I am trying to ask you nicely............please stop following me around and trying to start another fight? Please?

Can you show me where i said he lost it? Please do, before you start putting words in peoples post, realize they are right there for you to read. Or are you going to send another PM cussing a poster out or another one pleading with me to leave you alone?

I specifically said he has produced to what we are paying him, has he? He has given up at times - FACT. He has looked great at times too, FACT.

You are literally the most condesending poster on this board, and get called out left and right about it. I once offered you a hand of support, since then - you have up stories a lied about others.

As Gregg would say, you know the guy that took over for the guy you said we would never fire cause he was a great coach (hahaha, still sore on that huh), come get some.

Wrong. But go on.

I agree he is above average. But he was brought here to make catches and be a leader. Hes making catches, but has give poor effort at times. WE saw this on an out where he put up one hand to "attempt" a catchable ball by Baker. When things get tough his body shows his frustrations, and then his performance suffers as well. He checks out of games mentally.

I am sorry if I am not like other posters and call it like i see it. I can be objective when watching players and coaches - and dont automatically think that every person on the field is best in the NFL.

He was a great pickup, no doubt. A needed one. As a poster pointed out, he needs a true #1 to be effective. That is evident. Just the type of player he is. If we cant be realistic about a player that we have, we have a problem.

Say hi to Fitz for me .. u just described a FIRST BALLOT HOFer to a T ..

Good job ...

Here’s a few questions for u ...

Who was the reciever he had in Miami to take the top off? ...

Who was his number 1 wr compliment there . ...

Bro ... your way smarter than me ... this is not like u ... u MADE THIS TOO EASY ... quoting woody from white men can’t jump ...

This **** is TO EASY .. ITS TO EASY ... ...

Please ... who were these recievers that took the top off the D to open up the middle for him and who was his true number one there since he’s not a true number one ... speed is lacking ... (i won’t argue that .. but hes been a VERY GOOD - GREAT RECIEVER for every year he’s been in the league ...til this year .. ) ...

And as my questions will prove when u CAN’T ANSWER THEM ... it wasn’t for the reasons u and others continue to spew ... he is not simply a slot reciever ... NEITHER WAS FITZ ... just cause they EXCEL there does not mean its the only place they can be PRODUCTIVE ...

Come on dawg ... you set the bar high ... THATS TWO DISSAPOINTING POSTS IN A ROW FROM U ... lets gooo ... step it up bro ... ...

Also bummed u never responded to my last one ... i learn from u and i missed an opportunity cause i appearantly cornered u so good u couldn’t even craft a reply ... *L* ..

Who would we have to “crack” on Dave .. come on ... give us more credit than that ... were egotistical know it alls not stupid ... ...

We disagree here ... no shocker there ..... in this case I happen to know i’m right ... so i will act like a know it all egomaniac cause the FACTS are on mine and Ver’s side in this case ...

Can’t blame u for biting back ... not even a little bit ... just please when u bite next time ... don’t call me stupid ... *L* .... j/k dawg ...

Its a rough day ... will be real rough around here for awhile now ... emotions are running high ... things will be said .. thats too bad but its gonna happen ...

Things will eventually calm down and HOPEFULLY the thief lets King John do what he hired him for ... he sets up a SANE ORG. Chart ... King John hits a grand slam in his choice of coaches and continues on hos rol with FA’s and in the draft ...

We do that ... our destination next year will be much higher than OPTIMISM ....

Have fun and enjoy dawg ...

Don’t change bro ... wouldn’t respect u if u did ... u gonna afford me the same courtesy? ... pretty sure u will ... just want to make sure its a two way street is all ...

I agree he’s not a true #1 ... NEVER ONCE in all my pimping of him have i said DIFFERENT ... my exact words ... hes a poor mans AB ... he can do everything AB can and i mean EVERYTHING ... minus the breakaway or take the top off speed ...

I am dissapointed in his play for a bunch of reasons ... that doesn’t change who he is and who he has been ... he can be a BABY ... i’m OK with that cause he wants to win and he plays his ass off ... when he checks out its a shame and i won’t defend it .. I HATE THAT so far ... not so sure he’s checked out ... its the BAD BODY LANGUAGE ... not good .. for many reasons ..

But that don’t change the fact hes simply not just a slot reciever .. u tell me slot reciever i think of guys like Anthony Miller in Chicago ... Julian ‘Edelman ... Randall Cobb ... Wes Walker ... guys like that ... Landry is WAY BETTER THAN THEM and not just a slot reciever ...

Landry is a WEL ABOVE AVERAGE RECIEVER in this league ... no slot .. no #1 .. hes just a GOOD ALL AROUND nfl wr ... no labels .. THE MAN CAN BALL ...

Thats what are argument is over here ... not sure we dont agree now that we’ve gone down the rabbit hope ... *L* ...

Bro .. i enjoy debating with u .. we disagree ... no biggie .. as far as i’m Concerned we do it respectfully and just exchange ideas and differences ... hope your not reading anything else in it ... i respect the fact u stick to your guns and most of the time do it with facts and reason ... just cause we disagree isn’t a bad thing in my book ... Peens signature used to be .. “u don’t learn from like minds” or sumptin to that affect ... it was one of my all time favorite signs on here ... so simple and true ..

I still look forward to meeting u bro ... hope u feel the same ..

Oh well..............so much for that.

Well that's good to hear. Ignorant folk everywhere are breathing a sigh of relief.

I don't think we disagree. I just think some folks (not you), hear something negative about say a WR on this team or a *cough* coach on this team, and they take it as a personal attack on them because they are so egotistical and delusional how can they possible have been wrong. I never said he was just a slot receiver, that was another poster. I just said hes not living up to the bill of sale we have on him SO FAR. I am by no means saying we cut him, or that hes been garbage - not at all. I am just saying I expected more, and want to see more. I don't think we should be settling for what we have received from him so far, when you and I both know he is capable of more. Would you agree with that?

Never have. I think you may have mistaken me again for another poster.

Far as Dorsey goes, in the Presser he said THIS year we will keep the structure the same and then revisit next year. Weird, tho because some are screaming that we are keeping that the same, but those same posters are screaming about continuity and making a new direction elsewhere. lol. I don't like Jimmy either, but lets be honest, no matter what he did or does, the second he fired Hue (you and I know both KNOW that was going to happen either yesterday, the bye, or the end of the year) some *cough* posters were going to meltdown like a snow cone in July.

That was my reply to Dave bro ... yours is the one below my response to Daves ....

Sounds like u had a rough night or a senior moment ... *L* ... either that or your screen shows something different than mine ...

Says replied to me, I think you have the Sr moment going on

You feeling better now you got to sleep on it? Idk why, but for some reason I had the best night sleep in 2.5 years!

Your 2nd quote in your reply to me witch started out .... I think u have me mistaken for another poster was a QUOTE FROM THE POST BELOW to Dave bro ... your first quote was from my reply to to u ... your 2nd quote was from my reply to Dave ... it is bolded below ...

Moving on ...



Maybe were seeing different things ... Your 2nd quote was from this reply to Dave ...

PS. I am senior .. so i’m Allowed .... *L* ...

PSS. Time for a sig change bro .... get out of yesterday and into today ...

You may be unwashed, but I just got my new bottle of Comet and I can hardly wait for Saturday to use it.