If Bengals beat chiefs them we are out of playoff picture.

Everybody knows that. No reminders needed.

NOT.

There is a path to the 7th seed if the Bengals beat the Chiefs... and it's not even all that crazy...

Biggest upset we would need is the Broncos beat Chargers week 17. Sure there are other things that need to happen, but most of them are actually on the edge of "probable".

*Raiders would need to lose week 18 vs Chargers
*Dolphins would need to lose both games (@ Titans, vs Patriots)
*Ravens would need to lose one of final two (vs Rams, vs Steelers)

I mentioned the Saints need to win against the Dolphins last week and was told it didn't make a difference... But it did, the dolphins lose then one more loss and it looks more hopeful for the 7th seed.

This is becoming a fun ride, I'm going to enjoy this and make the best of it ! Imagine winning play-off games after this crazy season !!

j/c...

We have had our injuries but the Ravens have gotten blasted.

They could lose to just about any team.

The Chiefs vs Bengals is different. The Bengals can score and they can do it on any play.

Their defense is not so hot.

So, this game should be a shoot out.

Our season rides in the balance. I will be watching and pulling for the Chiefs like they were wearing orange helmets.

GO CHIEFS !!!

True Bone the Ravens have had a lot of injuries. However, the Refs know this and somehow feel the need to help them out!! That's nice of them!!!

Come on Chiefs!!

j/c…

After watching him play I don't know if this bodes well or not.

I agree Pit, that feels more like bad news for the Browns

I wouldn't be suprised if OBJ drops a crucial pass that could help the Rams win, thus screwing us over once again

So far he has been catching TD's. So maybe he'll actually help us.

I think it would help the Ravens win more, But that is something OBJ would do !

ikr, I'd sign him in a heartbeat. Not Lamar though.

Today ... for one day only ... I am the biggest Kansas City fan in the entire world !!

LETS GO CHEIFS !!

TD KC!!

Flip over to the Ravens just in time to see a pick 6 on 3-2. Ugh.

Stafford sucks. I can't believe he threw that right to a Rat.

Dammit rams. Comon Stafford

Throw for Beckham, INT, Rats ball at the Rams 4.

Stafford going to hand the Ravens division championship. Oy vey.

If we win tomorrow then the ravens still have to win final game correct? If the ravens win today that is

Yes but they play stoolers.

Ravens holding on every play 🤬🤬😡😡😡

I know so we really need rams to win....dammit

Stupid Rams are putting a kink in our plans

The ram are so much better than the damn rats.

They have NO BUSINESS being up 2 tds

Curses.....the rans dont remind me of a come from behind team

Now bengals getting into rythm

Uhhg rams panicking

Bullcrap

Looks like ravens are gonna blow rams out of this game

Even if the Bengals lose I.dont see the Browns beating the Bengals next week

I wondered when they said Huntley would start whether that would end up being a blessing or a curse. There's still a long game ahead but it certainly doesn't appear him starting was a curse.

Huntley is a better QB than Lamar Jackson. Personally I wouldn't mind the Browns pilfering Huntley in the off season!

...and then he does that.

Thank you Rams

TD Rams !!!

Rams back in it, just hope Stafford wakes up

Maybe I should keep watching the game. Bad things will happen for the Ravens. Muhahahahaha!

I think it is more stressful following these two games than watching the browns. This day can end perfectly for the good guys. ya gotta believe!!! Go Rams!! Go Chiefs!!

Dang holding call

Good job, Stafford.

LETS GO RAMS !!!

Stafford is going to single-handedly kill us.

Stafford crapping the bed

Of course chiefs couldnt just blow them out

Refs giving Baltimore a first down when he is clearly a yard short. Waiting on the challenge

Curse you bengals

What's the score? I'm not at home yet

13-7 Stafford threw a pick six and then later fumbled inside the 20

Figures. Thank you

j/c...

Looks like the Rams just aren't very interested in actually winning.

Cincinnati is getting away with offensive pass intereference, on at least 2 big plays in single coverage today.

I thought the Rams were supposed to have a good defense?

no division for the Browns.

well we had our chances this year to handle business, couldn't do it

Gift from the refs helps Cincy take the lead.

Wheres the gift. The guy body slammed Chase out of bounds?

I've always been of the mind if you need to depend on crazy scenarios at the end of the season to make playoffs, you aren't really a playoff team. The teams ahead of us have better Qb's, wr and coaching. We have to fix this. Hell look at miami, started like 1-4 and they have won 8 games. Coaching and defense matters. You have to have balance, we don't have that yet. I'm not sure we will with this current staff but next year will be sink or swim for alot of the team. All thats left this year is to win the last two for moral victory(Browns fav kind), fix some holes in the defense, get better WR/TE, replace everything on ST, find an OC, and pray Baker this year was an anomaly and next year healthy looks like baker at the end of last year

Right and agree. If we need to rely on other teams when we had it right in our own hands and couldn't do it then we don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Period.

Did I miss something lead?? Are both those games over?? You negative nellies need to at least wait till they are before holding the funeral service.

OBJ finally did something good for the Browns. lol

j/c...

OBJ may have just helped save the Browns season!

Once again the chiefs eliminate us from the playoffs

Why the heck are the Chiefs single covering Chase?

Never mind. Burrow and Chase about to end the Browns season.

Damn Bengals just won't go away

Not sure I would call it covering.

It's official! RAMS WIN

It would really be helpful if the Chiefs didn’t lose.

I’d prefer if the Chiefs let them score.

The chiefs need to let them score immediately

The Bengals should definitely kick it.

This feels like death by a 1000 paper cuts.

And now that's the season for the Browns.

pure garbage man

Now you just take 2 or 3 knees and kick the game winner with no time left.

This is excruciating

Imaginary penalty on the Rams.

Its over

Absolute garbage trash call on a game deciding play!!

Season over

Browns players packing it in now

The officials worked to give this game to the Bengals all game long. Ridiculous.

j/c...

Back to the Browns comfort zone. Meaningless football in January.

Bengals will probably sit thier starters next week

Browns have nobody to blame but themselves.

Mayfield should schedule his labrum surgery now. Be ready for TC next year. Dammit.

I still want to beat the Steelers

Now this comes into play.

Another game stolen by the refs. Sort of thing you expect if it's NE - garbage phantom calls. Makes the pain worse.

When you don't control your own playoff destiny and hope for other teams to win/lose, you are not a playoff team

lol yo antonio brown is done in the nfl. what a garbage person.

I tell ya, that fake baby/fumblerooski commercial never gets old ... if you're 5 years old.

The division is going to end the opposite of what we all expected going into this season. Browns, Ravens, Steelers all out and Bengals in the 3rd seed… what the hell just happened? Smh. Blow it all up now. There is zero reason for us to play Baker and our better players these last two games. I'd play scrubs.

Ravens have lost one of their 2 games.
Miami lost to Tenn. NE still have something to play for.

Does it come down to Chargers?

** Edit - according to my play off machine we are out 100%. Done.

Season over. Game tomorrow is completely meaningless!

I'll say it again, someone needs to be held responsible for how poor our season has been.

Unacceptable.

Joe Burrow is so much better than our guy.

Yeah, but you need the Chargers to lose their last two and some other things to occur. The Browns are very close to being eliminated from the playoff race. Those Baltimore and Pittsburgh losses hurt them.

I’m just glad this torturous playoff talk is finally over. This Browns team is horrible and doesn’t belong in the playoffs.

Hmm… has Burrough beat Baker?

I don't mean to be mean or rude - but I don't understand this talk at all. We took GB to the wire last week. We've thrashed Cinci. We were two bad ref calls away from playing a game in week 18 to win the division. Calling the team horrible and claiming we don't deserve to be there is flat wrong.

has baker won the division yet?

Baker said he was brought here to change the culture. What a clown.

Super Bowl aspirations and zero reason to watch the last two games of the season.

5 chances to lead game winning drives. 0-5. What a clown show.

Just kidding, sort of.

3rd and 27 and the Bengals pick up 30 yards and a 1st down. We couldn't pick up 4 yards on 3rd and 3. Why should we be in the playoffs????

The Browns offseason this year is going to be crucial. This upcoming draft isn't great for QB's, but it does have some WR talent as well as a lot of defensive line help. The only potential question is - if Watson, Wilson, Rodgers, Carr or Ryan is available, do you make a move for them?

I can't believe the Bengals didn't take the field goal on not one but two attempts. Both horrendous play calls bailed out by the refs. Could you imagine if those penalties hadn't been called and they would have missed the post season. LoL

Winning the last two games is still necessary. Beating Pittsburgh ALWAYS counts. Got to finish strong, the fans deserve it.

Cleveland can thank the Do Nothing Offense! and a flipping NFC HEAD COACH who can go 6-2 against the NFC, but can't win AFC Games that matter.
And organizational thinking, that couldn't win a division, if they had Hall of Famers at every X X position.

Defense won nothing this year, This is the Best Browns defense in 25 years and they aren't even going to make the playoffs.

The Idea that Defense wins championships is as old as; R.I.P.

They played it right though - left the Chiefs with 0 time left on the clock to do anything. That's ideally what the Browns should've done in GB, and against the Chargers.

Browns haven't won the division in 30 years. Bengals were 2-14 two seasons ago.

Browns are a clown show.

That is not Burrough being better than Baker, and you know it. You decide those in heads up games. But Burrough is no joke, he's good.

There is literally no point to the rest of the season.

Might as well get the best draft position possible.

A good defense helps a great deal; the Browns just didn't execute offensively when it mattered.

They didn't play it right. Had either one of those ticky tak calls not been made against KC they would have been left scoreless most likely sending the game to overtime. They were saved by penatlies.

I'll be pissed at this point if we go out and win the last two. All that will do is give us an over 500 BS record for a horrible season.

This is sound logic - whether or not they keep the pick based on potential veteran QB's that are available is another topic entirely.

Exactly.

Might as well have Baker get his surgery too.

This. We don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Hoping other teams lose has NEVER worked out for us. And shame on you if you need to rely on that.

We are what we deserve. Insignificant in the NFL.

Even if the Bengals had a penalty, they still would've been in FG range with timeouts to spare. How is running the clock down not playing it right? I'll agree with this though - they unnecessarily put Burrow in harm's way with the play calls they had.

As much as I wanted them to lose, I watched Burrow play in high school, and the kid is a winner. At least it is not the Rats or the Steelers. If somehow we sneak in, I'm all in, if not I hope Burrow wins a superbowl.

Maybe not, but he has a division championship and Baker doesn't.

I like Baker, but there isn't a sane football fan or coach in the country who wouldn't take Burrow over Baker.

Someone needs to apologize to the fans!

you do realize him not beating baker means NOTHING, correct?

since 2018:

lamar jackson has 2 division titles
burrow in his 2nd year has a division title
big ben has a division title

baker has.....3rd place, 3rd place, 2nd place wildcard, and who knows if we end up in the basement again.

Burrow has beaten the teams baker cant seem to beat. lamar has beaten teams baker cant seem to beat.

if only baker can play the bengals 17 games a season. oh wait, it doesn't work like that, does it?

There aren't a lot of sound scenarios to replacing Baker next year. He'll likely be here.

Just be ready for another average to below average year, no division, no playoffs, average coaching, etc.

How often do we talk about winning culture? And we don't care if we lose the last 2 games against division rivals because of a crap shoot in the draft - in a year which is considered a bad draft? Nah - I think winning is still important.

Bengsls win but at what cost? Burrow hurt knee on his last play.

Ammo? Is that you?

thats why you dont rely on the draft. go get wilson or watson.

I don't think so. They just weren't good enough this year.

If Seattle management is considering keeping Pete Carroll over Russell Wilson, you have to at least try to make a move. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Cousins gets cut from Minnesota because of his cap number that he won't restructure. That's a potential option for the Browns as well.

I disagree. As soon as you have no shot to win it all, it's pretty much pointless.

The last two games won't do anything to create a winning culture.

Back to back playoff seasons would have. A division title would have.

Got a preference? Cousins might be an option too if he gets cut.

Maybe you should go get us a QB since you're a couch QB guru… If he can't beat Baker, he's not better. All I said. And even after that diarrhea of the keyboard, Burrough, still hasn't beat Baker.

Yet. You already know it's going to happen at some point.

Beat Pittsburgh. I really don’t care about the bengals in the last game but I want to tar and feather the Steelers and Rothlesberger in his last game with us. I want him miserable.

And If I’m being totally honest I’ll be rooting for Cincinnati in the playoffs. I lived there for a couple of years and they’re nearly as historically snake bit as us. I hate them far less than Balt and Pitt. What a sad season this was.

Its a team game; QBs don't beat other other QBs.

The talking heads show still has us in the hunt? Is there even a scenario for that?

How depressing is it when Cousins is an upgrade over Baker?

And Wilson makes me nervous. He's been pretty bad this year.

I will not follow this team if they make a play for Watson.

watson. i dunno if wilson would come here or not. at least with watson, you got him on a bargain contract for the next 4 years. he's probably gonna dodge charges BUT serve misconduct suspension, as he SHOULD.

be he's young and super talented. i dont really like cousins all like that, but in reality i doubt he wants to run it back with stefanski. he seems to be a bit better without stefanski.

The last two games may not go towards creating a winning culture but throwing them will go towards moving to a losing culture.

ill take the QB who wins division titles.

you can have the qb who is really good on commercial breaks.

We already have a losing culture. Can't sink much lower.

Might as well have the higher draft pick.

BTW, where's BTTB to tell us how we are on the verge of a dynasty?

Everything that was accomplished last season has been undone.

Sure, he will beat us sooner or later. And he's a good QB, I'm just not in the throw Baker away camp, or the undue pile on baker camp. Saying Burrough is better may also be true at some point, but he doesn't get that IMO without beating Baker heads up. Baker owns Cincy. Everything else might have gone to crap this season, but he still owned them… until next week, anyway.

I'll say this much - Wilson has NEVER had a solid pass protecting offensive line his entire career. He was at his best when he had a solid running game and an average offensive line with regards to pass protection. It might be worth the gamble depending on what the cost is. I know for a fact New Orleans would take him, and that was one of the teams on his list, so were one of the NY teams.

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This is supposedly the scenario (posted earlier by Fate) :

You forget 0-16 then.

It could be much MUCH worse.

We had a bad year, we were out of synch all year. There were tons of reasons, no one thing sunk this year in spite of what some people want to claim.

We need to keep fighting it out, regroup in the off season, get healthy and come back in with fire born of not getting there. Any coach that allows a team in this situation to just pack it in with two games left needs to go find a new job.

And no I am not saying it is time for a coaching change.

And if that is the same guy in the future, don't let me catch you watching. You should go root for the Bengals… Get you a Burrough jersey and a stuffed Joe B plush to cuddle with at night.

You know if you come at me, I will take ya to the paint. Happy cuddling bro.

That is the most asinine comment I've heard. As a fan, you should be hoping that they give their all to end with a winning record. Playing for a draft pick, only works if you are at the top of the draft. IMO, your hate for Baker is clouding your thinking.

lol and here we go. you and mgh be on the same nonsense.

i want the TEAM to win. i root for players on the TEAM until they prove they aint got it. just like i bailed on Mingo before anybody else. i wanted baker to be the franchise just like everyone else. but its been 4 years already, and theres 2 QB's JUST in our division with more talent and skill than him. thats just a fact. baker cant even consistently beat an old ass big ben, which would make him 4th in division QB's.

i want the BROWNS to win. i just dont believe baker is that dude anymore.

What is it with kickers nowadays? Greg Zuerlein just missed his 6th FG of the year for Dallas. A couple years ago I thought he was up there with Justin Tucker.

A winning culture is established by closing out games like the ones against the Raiders, GB, KC, LAC and Pitt earlier in the year.

Winning a couple meaningless games when absolutely nothing is on the line and the division champs likely resting their starters in one of them is not creating a winning culture. That's lying to yourself believing that creates a winning culture.

The Browns puked all over themselves nearly every chance they had to create a winning culture this year.

He's older and he's got a lot of usage; the Rams used the crap out of him when they were terrible.

Correct. Personally, I couldn't care less who are QB, RB, WR, any of our players are if they win and nobody else should either.

Some people think its more important to have Baker Mayfield as starting QB at all costs. When you look at the team, you're supposed to take a comprehensive approach and at the end of the day its a business. Rather than being a fan of the team there are a small group of folks who are fans of the player instead. Its something you'll constantly see on Facebook and other platforms from Baker Mayfield defenders. Its like they'll defend him till the day they die or something, its ridiculous.

j/c...

I don't entirely disagree. But does it help the team towards a winning culture to lose the last two games?

Browns fans,especially,should know the answer to that question.
It doesn't matter.
It is the same as saying we should win preseason games,to change the culture.
The culture will change when the Browns get players that don't crap their pants when the pressure is on.

.....and just like that, Antonio Brown is an Ex-Buc.

As long as stefanski is allowed to call offensive plays we may not make playoffs again. Pelt will probably leave after this season . Stefanski will probably be allowed to hand pick his " young and inexperienced " next offensive coordinator who wont be ready to call plays so stefanski can keep doing it himself

Fair enough. And I was mostly busting your balls in that last couple posts anyway. I'm just not listening to Burrough is better than Baker because of this whack ass season. Baker didn't play well enough this year, and he mostly played hurt, but 52 others fell short as well last year's coach of the year. So, it can't all land on Baker.

And one more thought, I can't stand Lamar and don't think he'll be a starter after his legs slow down. Like Vick, he'll have a short but great career as a run first QB. But Huntley looks like the real deal, and he may be as impressive as Burrough IMO. I hope somebody (not us), pays to get Huntley for a starter this off season. Just so he's not riding pine behind Lamar for the next several years. Lamar gets sick or banged up just enough to leave chinks in their armor, but if Huntley comes in, there's no noticeable drop off. Sometimes you would think he's Lamar's little brother, the way he runs. And He's a better passer than Lamar by far.

Say What? What did I say? Please expand and explain. I've said we need to win the last 2 games in this thread.

How is the Broncos at Chargers game not on television.
If the Chargers beat the Broncos, they'd eliminate the Browns mathematically. and the broncos.

It's all good, mgh888, he was shook for a minute. He should be okay now.

Broncos are getting whooped by LAC so, thanks to the refs in the KC/CIN game for that bogus offsetting penalties call on 4th and goal, we appreciate that

J/c

Anyone else feel like they’re gonna die before they see the brown in the super bowl let alone win it?

QFT on all of this.

Cousins IS an upgrade over Baker - though you could argue marginal. He's also older. I go with whomever I can get cheaper and start looking for their replacement now, either way.
Wilson is an upgrade, but he's also on the downside of his career and at his size and propensity to run combined with his age - he's an increasing injury risk. He'd also take a ton to get. The fear here is you trade away all your draft capital and budget for a guy who only plays a year or two and is done. That's a recipe to guarantee another decade of losing seasons.
Watson? Upgrade yes. Young enough, yes. But life is more important than football. He (likely) should be in prison instead of the football field. I will refuse to follow ANY organization willing to take him on.

I think these last two games will have zero impact on the Browns culture win or lose.

The Browns will be facing Brandon Allen and the rest of the Bengals B-team next week in a game nobody will remember.

It doesn’t

Couple of reasons:

Off season - players already thinking about time off, vacations, family, preparing for next season

Roster turnover after season - I am making this number up, but it’s something like average of 20% of the team will be turned over. So a portion of your roster wasn’t there for those non-important the end of the season games.

Draft pick - better draft pick means more choices. If you hit on that person, your culture changes. I know this example is to back my post, but would you agree that Parsons has helped transform Dallas’s D? The FO just needs to keep bringing in those talented/leadership or team player free agents that fill holes.

Just few examples of why it doesn’t matter

I really, really like Baker. He is a cool dude. I wish he could be great. But it is year four, and he makes bad decisions which aren’t caused by injuries. Some guys on the defense played their tails off and Baker blew their shot at the playoffs. He has never done anything like what Joe Burrow did today. I’m for keeping him next year while working some sort of backup angle. If a good prospect fell out of the first round, I say use a two on him. We’re too close to being a contender to have this kind of play at the most important position.

I am really jealous of Burrow and Chase. And to think we were hoping to have that with Baker Beckham, yet here we are.

geat. looking at the chargers/broncos score, the browns lost and didnt even play today.

atleast the media wont be talking about us. antonio brown just gave everyone a months worth of material in 30 minutes.

Maybe Stefanski will march the team down to the lake and jump in...

What a depressing day. I really thought the Chiefs were going to win that game.

Oh well, maybe the Browns will learn from this. Can't put your fate into the hands of other teams.

Long offseason ahead, our window is closing to make a serious playoff run.

I hear Antonio Brown is available.

I realized that the Broncos vs Chargers score didn't even matter. The Browns were eliminated from the playoffs at 4 pm today,
When the Bengals beat the chiefs the Browns lost any chance at winning the division.
and when the Raiders beat the Colts, the Browns lost any chance at the wild card if not before.

Because the Raiders swept the Broncos, the Broncos can no longer get 2nd place in the AFC west, if the Browns, who can still get 2nd place in the afc north can't be up 1 v 1 against the broncos who the Browns beat, then the Browns can't win the final wc spot.
because the dolphins, the Browns are behind when the Browns lost to the raiders
the colts the browns are behind by virtue of conference record 7-5 vs 6-6 best (for browns) case scenario.
the raiders the Browns are behind by head to head loss
the Chargers the Browns are behind by head to head loss

The Browns are eliminated.
The Ravens, by virtue of their head to head wins over both the Chargers, and the Colts are still mathematically alive.
the Steelers, by virture of their tie against the Lions could still finish 1/2 game ahead of teams that may finish 9-8 so they are not eliminated yet either.
But, the Browns, are eliminated. So the NFL offices, and New York, who has been against the Browns all season, finaly got what they wanted.

j/c…

And it’s official. Start Keenum. Schedule Baker’s surgery this week.

Would Mayfield even be ready for the beginning of next season if he has his surgery right after the season is over?

Yes.

I don't know. The media loves to talk about the Browns and Baker. They will spend a good portion of the week talking again how they are the most disappointing team in the league.

The last two games are absolutely meaningless and will not matter one iota moving forward. I'll actually be agitated if they celebrate scores. They had one goal this year. One. Super Bowl. They can't even make the playoffs two years in a row. With a beaten down Ravens squad. With a terrible Pitt squad. And they can't even make the playoffs. Unbelievable.

This franchise is at its most pathetic point. Worse than 0-16, 1-31. They are at the absolute bottom. Again. What a joke this franchise is.

I keep thinking to myself that us fans deserve better. Long standing, loyal fanbase that always maintains hope. But maybe our ancestors did something to cause this. I mean can anyone explain to me how Bengals fans deserve this more than Browns fans. It's mind boggling.

Everything, and I mean everything the Browns did last year, has been undone. They have no foundation. Nothing to build on.

Wake me when we find our Brady/Rodgers/Manning. Nothing will change until we do.

According to.Eotab the league and the refs have conspired to keep.the Browns from winning.

An injury-riddled season had us in the hunt until our second to last game (in previous years we'd have been talking draft for months at this point).

Disappointing, absolutely. But going off the deep end and saying it's worse than our record-breaking streak of losses is way overboard.

This is a grown man take, not everyone's gonna be prepared for it.

What's everybody complaining about? We made the playoffs last year. We met our once every decade playoff appearance. We'll be in again in again in 2030. Stop crying everybody!!!!

No one on this board likes my takes. Yet here we sit with two games to go and mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

I sometimes agree with your takes, but that last post was a temper tantrum.

Not true !

Who's this hosting Sunday Night Football pregame and where is Mike Tirico?

Lots of hurt feelings tonight, just gonna take it in stride..We are all Browns fans and the best damn fans in the NFL.

I've had my moments after losses and my doubts and yes it sucks.. Who else is worth rooting for then the Browns ?

Be pissed..got the right to !

Just beating the Steelers tomorrow will put us out of the basement and to me that has meaning !

Maybe so. I'm literally beaten down by my fandom of this team. I'm at the point where I don't think it will ever get better. Not sure how much more I can take.

Most of us feel the same ! Hold in there, some day it'll pay off and the streets of Cleveland will make the Cavs Championship party look like only a Million people WTH ?

Sorry Deisle, but the so-called Browns fans in the Gameday thread are not the "best damn fans in the NFL". They're pathetic sky-is-falling, hot-take whiners.

I know Dave, I believe it's not those that make the rest of us the best damn fans !

It's a New Years Miracle to see Mike Tirico on SNF announcing, for the 2nd time in this year and the past two decades, Al Micheals can observe a well earned day off and hope all is well. (work life balance)

Antonio Brown needed:

8 more catches to unlock a $333,333 bonus.

He also needed 55 receiving yards to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

He also needed just 1 receiving TD to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

I hope he gets the help he needs. Truly.

Kind of makes me wonder how many concussions he has had..just curious with that type of behavior ..

From profootball talk, Coach asked him twice to go back in the game-When Brown refused the second time, Coach told him to leave the field.

Sunday Night Football. Are the Vikings running the SAME TERRIBLE OFFENSE THAT THE BROWNS RUN, ANDDD

Is (Sean) Mannion running it better than Baker does. (oh my)

Hopefully that's not the case - if so...yikes.

Clowney, hunt and talk are all free agents correct? Doubt we can keep all 3.

Clowney and Hunt are a must to resign if you're Cleveland; Takk you might be able to get for cheap because of his injury.

For those saying the next game means nothing, it does to some people. Pittsburgh is still in the hunt. The browns can end that tomorrow, plus send Ben to retirement being beat by the Browns at home with playoff chances still possible for them. Plus, winning the next two would mean back to back winning seasons. That is something we haven't seen in decades.

Lol.

The stoolers are going to KILL the browns tomorrow. These guys are planing golf trips right now.

This team is a joke and we are as well. Following this crap team despite a never-ending crap sandwich we are forced to eat year in and year out makes us all idiots.

Sounds like it is time for you to move on and follow another team.

Based on the fact that they are almost to the 4th quarter and haven't eclipsed 100 total yards yet, I'm going to say no.

I was thinking we had Kareem for another one or two years under contract but I could be wrong.

Hunt is signed through 2022.

50 years a fan and I feel you. I've told myself to find a new team a thousand times, so I can root for my team in a Super Bowl before I die. But I watched my dad walk away from them, and he basically lost interest over time. But I don't want that either.

If I am not mistaken we signed Hunt to a two-year deal? Might have even been three... almost certain it wasn't just one. Clowney was one. He may not want to come back here. If he has other offers he will likely bolt.

The Bengals sure are for real this year.

To the guy that said he was beaten down and questioned if it will ever get better... We beat the Stealers twice last season AND made the playoffs for the first time in forever... AND beat the Stealers IN the playoffs sending them home and probably ending tiny ben's last playoff chances... It HAS gotten better. We have a good coach and players. We have had a TON of injuries and our QB has a bad shoulder. The sky is not falling. Sometimes a team has some bad luck with injuries. Look at how beat-up our line has been.

From the first time we played Burrow and I heard him interviewed I was impressed.

The Bengals were picked to place last in the North this season. They were criticized for drafting Chase over Sewell.

Now they are loaded on offense with Burrow, Chase, Mason, Higgins, and Uzomah.

The Chiefs put up 28 points in the first half yesterday and 3 in the second.

Their defense stepped up and gave them the chance to come back. Burrow has been crazy good.

The Bengals are now the rulers of the North.

They are hungry, young and skilled at many positions.

The North is now on notice. Either get better or stay in line behind the Bengals.

I’m really impressed with Cincy as well. They are a HIGH FLYING offense. Great WRs, RB, and QB play. It’s a QB/scoring league … and they can do it with the best of them now

Talk about getting rid of Baker...talk of Loser mentality smh

Instead of talking on how to build this team better. Like we are one of the few teams that were vying for playoffs without a GO TO Receiver. You know a guy you can just throw the ball up for grabs and they will win out most of the time...we got no guy. We got a great running game that is it...much to improve on. Defense we need much help on the DL - funny how a position goes from a team strength to weakness. Losing Sheldon Richardson sucked.

This team still needs to build on their safeties as well. I like our CBs. I like JOK..Garrett didn't play healthy down the road. Lot of things on this team besides Baker that needs fixed and I'm sorry but the kid played injured most the season and he was brutalized...media just loved coming down on him why? cause he made commercials.

We got a good QB in Baker you blow that up we are right back to where we were all those years since 1999 looking for a QB. What a bunch of LOSERS - get that crap out of here...lol ah [censored] still love you guys

Par for the course.

In the end only one team will win it all and the rest are unhappy.

So instead of looking at how to improve and what steps will be best to make that happen.

There are those who will say we can never win. Or, we just suck. Or, it's all on Baker, Stefanski, OC, DC, Haslam or a curse.

I am glad I am not one of those.

The focus now shifts to Andrew Berry. Between now and the start of training camp he must figure out a way to get better.

Free agency and then the draft will be the places that the team will have to mine.

From where the team is today and what we be the fastest way to a championship.

I would try to build a dominant defense first. Improve the receiver unit. And work with what we have and what we do best.

Have you thought maybe being good isnt good enough anymore
At the QB position? Look at the playoff QBs...they are better than
Good. Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Prescott, Herbert.
Mayfield is a poor mans Andy Dalton.
The Baker vs the world narrative makes a good sound bite
4 years.ago. But its not equating wins
Bakers metrics in.the 4th q. Doesnt lie. He is 32 out of 32
If Baker Mayfield and Joe Burrow switched teams
Which team would be in playoffs?

the Bengals.

Yep it sucks they won but the actual game was REALLY good... Right down to the wire.

After watching some yesterdays games it became clear our season would end soon.

We are not a complete team yet.

A lot went wrong this year. In the end we were not good enough to be a playoff team this season.

The division winners this year are offensive teams that score a lot of points. There is no dominant defensive team.

Looking at the Browns moving forward. Evaluating our roster as it stands today. I do not believe we can catch up offensively to the teams that won their divisions in one off season.

I do believe we can build a dominate defense. Doing that will give us the best chance to win.

Myles, Ward, Newsome, JOK, JJ, Greedy, McDowell, Delpit and Clowney are players to build around.

Clowney may not be long term but I would sign him to a two year deal if he would take it.

I would build depth at pass rushers. And get the best players i could find at the other positions.

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On offense we have great runners. Build depth on the OL.

Improve the receiver unit as a whole.

And for next year hope for the best with Baker.

I would also cut Keenum. Then take a flyer on Trubisky. He is a free agent. I don't how he will turn out but he has better upside than Keenum.

I thought he got hosed in Chicago. He was not ready to be a starter and when they made him one. He had no chance with the coaching and team around him. So, I would take a chance and see if he can be a better player.

Come on Browns fans! At the very least we don't suck anymore. I'll take average over 0 & 16 any day of the week.

It's better to laugh then cry about it.



Oh that hurts but it is funny!

I agree, as long as he knows coming in that Baker is the starter game #1. Gotta let it play out.

Baker had a bad year this year... likely due to injuries but also some bad mechanics... who ever they bring in at QB should have every chance to be the starter... no player should be given the job unless their last name is Rodgers or Brady

You may be right.

But, barring a new coaching staff, implementing a new offense or something else that would put a new backup on equal footing with Baker going in to TC (none of which will happen), we should probably let a healthy Baker have the season to prove himself one way or the other.

Announcing it's an open competition with a new backup acquisition with someone like Trubisky is looking for trouble on a lot of different levels (imo). Gotta let it play out. And if the #2 QB happens to play at some point during the season and shines, all the better if we decide to go a different direction in 2023.

Baker would be the starter.

He would remain the starter until injured or he plays his way out of being a starter.

I like the idea of Trubisky for many reasons. He came to the NFL with as little experience as can be imagined.

In addition he was young as well. However, he did get some NFL experience as a starter. He is athletic and has a good arm. He has good size.

In some ways his expereince was like Tannehill in Miami. Tannehill was a converted TE. He had a good arm. He was athletic and could run. He also lacked experience.

I have no idea if Trubisky will ever turn out to be anything good. But I do believe at worst case he will be a capable backup.

And who knows given a legit opportunity what he will do.

Baker will ask to be traded the minute 'competition', real or perceived, is brought in. He's not wired to accept that. And he's not wired to actually win a QB competition. Baker is at his best when he's an unquestioned alpha. Unquestioned alpha + low expectations = rookie Baker and the rookie TD record. Expectations and competition = 2019 and 2021 Baker.

Probably best scenario is stick with Baker and if they want to cut Keenum's salary, draft a guy in the middle rounds.

Under that scenario I also sign Allen Robinson and Gallup (not sure about the injury now) and draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.

I agree. If you're bringing in actual competition just pull the plug and move in. It would prove disastrous.

Gallup is a guy I would have really liked to see them bring in via FA. Today it was confirmed his ACL was torn. Bummer.

Berry built the OL in year 1, the defense in year 2. This offseason his focus should be on building the passing game.

IMO that is pure specualtion.

Besides that will not be his decision. It is all on Berry.

All professionals from any team sport have to deal with competition.

As a two time walk on Baker is certainly aware that starting roles are earned.

Secondly rookie's drafted in middle rounds are guys to develop not act as backups.

Backups are guys like Keenum. But in this case Trubisky has at least been a starter. Plus he may have potential.

IMO if 2022 is the final trial for Baker then have a plan. Keenum is not a good plan. He is a band aid who can be adequate for a few games.

Honestly, there are no real good options. None of this ideal.

If getting Wilson is real I would explore that. But I don't think it is. Rodgers would not come here. No reason if he only wants to play a couple years.
He will not leave GB IMO.

So, Trubisky is just a flyer who can be a backup at worst. But you never know what he could be until he gets a chance.

Yeah - he only walked on at both Texas Tech and Oklahoma and won the starting QB positions at each, but he's not wired to accept competition.

It's really ironic if you go look at the coaching staff they have assembled.. HC was a QB coach that got Jared Goff into the pro-bowl in 2018... 2 years later they were trading him and he's all but out of football. OC is a QB coach that got Derek Carr to the pro-bowl in 2018...

Our HC got Kirk Cousins to a 3600 yard season and our OC coached Andy Dalton before they got rid of him and drafted Joe Burrow..

You know if Rishuz says anything positive about Baker he will turn to dust and blow away in the wind like a vampire in the sun.

lmao !!

I hear you. That's why I logged off of here after posting that slew of posts the other day (my bad, btw). We're all fans, we're all frustrated, and that's the way I lash out. Not productive.

Wow, I don't know anybody that lashes out on here.