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Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Cavs/NBA - 01/16/23 11:28 PM
Cavs take care of the Pelicans at home, 113-103. They lost Mitchell in the 4th to a strained groin, but Garlend really poured it on late, and Allen also had a big game. Every starter had double digit scoring. The Cavs puch their home record to 19-4, and while they are in 5th they are 1/2 games out of 2nd.

Kevin Love appears to have forgotten how to score, of late. I expect that if a trade can be made, he will be on the move to somewhere else.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/17/23 03:11 AM
yeah I've said love is just stealing money at this point.. Way to expensive to get d-league production. he needs to hang it up. hasnt had a decent season in 3 years
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/17/23 02:47 PM
Hoping the Mitchell thing isn’t a long term issue
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/19/23 01:39 PM
Great game last night. Unfortunately, we came up one point short against a Memphis team that has now won 11 straight and has the 3rd best record in the league. The game was in Memphis and we were w/out Mitchell.

The Cavs came out strong, but fell behind by 19 in the 2nd quarter. I thought the game was over, but we battled back and actually led several times down the stretch.

Some thoughts:

--Garland w/24 and 14, despite them running multiple guys at him every trip down the floor.

--Mobley 18 pts and 15 boards. His defense at the rim was incredible. He blocked shots and changed the trajectory of many others.

--LeVert had 23 and made some nice moves.

--Okoro is an ascending player.

--We might need a backup center. Allen was good, but he obviously wearing down in the 2nd half. He's on the court too much.

--JB should have set up a better play on the last possession.

--Memphis is a very tough, physical team on both ends of the floor.

--Morant really forces the action and complains a lot to get calls. Other than his star status, I don't know how he got the call when he ran over Allen late in the game.

--Memphis has a lot of good shooters. We could use another.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/22/23 02:57 AM


Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/22/23 04:05 PM
What a game by Mobley
Posted By: Jester Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/23/23 10:08 PM
NBA trade rumors: Spurs wings Josh Richardson, Doug McDermott could be available for multiple second-round picks
Published: Jan. 23, 2023, 3:14 p.m.


By Tim Bielik, cleveland.com

The San Antonio Spurs have some interesting pieces who could be dealt before the Feb. 9 NBA trade deadline including a pair of talented perimeter shooters in Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott.

Michael Scotto of Hoopshype.com reported the estimated values of both Richardson and McDermott. He said that Richardson could be had for one second-round pick, and McDermott could be worth one or two second-round picks depending on value and protections.

Richardson, 29, is on an expiring contract worth almost $12.2 million. The 31-year-old McDermott has one more year left on his contract at $13.75 million.

Both players have been good outside shooters for the Spurs this season. Richardson is shooting 36.6% from deep on 4.9 attempts per game, and McDermott is 41.1% from 3 on 4.4 attempts per game. They have just a combined three starts this season but have provided a scoring punch off the San Antonio bench.

Richardson is averaging 11.4 points and McDermott is at 10.1 points.

These could be two relatively cheap options if the Cavs want to add three-point shooting before the deadline. They rank 12th in the NBA in team 3-point percentage at 36.3%. But they have been quiet from deep of late, ranking 23rd in the month of January at 34.8%.

While they rank 22nd in 3-pointers attempted per game (31.4), it is also important to note that they are 30th in the league in pace. So field goal attempts per game are going to be near the bottom.

However, they are 16th in the league in 3-point attempt rate, which is the percentage of field goals attempted being 3-pointers (37.3%).

The good news for them in regard to shooting is that Dean Wade, who is shooting 41.1% from deep on 3.1 attempts per game, returned to the lineup on Saturday night vs. the Bucks and Isaac Okoro is shooting 57.1% from 3 in the month of January.


https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2023...ble-for-multiple-second-round-picks.html
Posted By: Jester Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/24/23 12:43 AM
NBA trade deadline 2023: The five sellers that will control the market in February
These teams have players that could swing the championship race


By Sam Quinn
Jan 20, 2023 at 11:35 am ET

We can get the obvious teams out of the way early. Houston is probably trying to flip Eric Gordon for draft picks right about now. Orlando will likely take calls on Terrence Ross and Gary Harris. Charlotte and Detroit should be open to just about any veteran on their rosters. Jordan Clarkson sounds great until he runs into a team that can exploit him on defense. These are your garden variety trade deadline targets, mid-sized salaries attached to modest players who could probably help the back end of a contender's rotation but won't swing the championship conversation in any meaningful way.

These players mattered, but lately, they're getting overshadowed every February. James Harden and Ben Simmons a season ago. Nikola Vucevic in 2021, the Andrew Wiggins-D'Angelo Russell swap in 2020 and Marc Gasol in 2019. These aren't back-of-the-rotation moves. They're seismic, trajectory-altering transactions that ripple across the entire league. Every deadline starts with posturing about how these kinds of players aren't available. Every deadline ends with a few of them being moved.

We don't who they're going to be yet, but we can guess that they're going to come from a handful of teams. In one of the most crowded playoff races in league history, five teams stand out as not only the likeliest sellers at the deadline but the fulcrums of the entire market. The league is waiting on these five teams to figure out what they're going to do, and if a trade swings the championship this February, odds are, one of these teams is going to be involved.

1. San Antonio Spurs
Playoff big men are an exceedingly rare commodity. The versatility requirements are so enormous that Karl-Anthony Towns managed to drive Steven Adams off of the floor last spring after only a single game. As recently as a few years ago, you could get away with a smaller forward at center planning to switch screens and make up your losses on offense. Now one conference has to plan for Nikola Jokic and the other is staring down Joel Embiid and Giannis Antetokounmpo. All it takes to beat the wrong center is a single bad matchup.


That's what makes Jakob Poeltl such a compelling deadline proposition. He's at his best in drop coverage, where he's become an analytics darling with some of the best rim-protecting numbers in basketball. That's all well and good until Stephen Curry comes to town looking for a dance partner. Poeltl can't match most guards with foot speed, but he leverages his size so well with quick reflexes and perfect body positioning that he can hold his own against most of them.


Poeltl is languishing with the worst defensive supporting cast in the NBA in San Antonio. Give him a suitably spry front-court partner and some guards that can stay in front of their men and his rim-protection becomes that much more lethal. Boston has become an increasingly frequent rumored destination and fits perfectly thanks to their ability to switch everything. If Curry or one of his acolytes proves problematic, they can easily reserve Poeltl for bench lineups and prioritize Al Horford at center lineups. But for those pesky Embiid and Antetokounmpo matchups in the East? There's no better option on the market.

The Spurs don't make trades for the sake of trading. Prior to last season's Derrick White and Thaddeus Young deals, their last deadline trade of note came when they landed Nazr Mohammed in 2005. He'll be a free agent this summer, but San Antonio has so little salary committed long-term that keeping him really wouldn't be much of a burden. If he gets moved, it will be for real value.



2. Washington Wizards
Kyle Kuzma is probably going to get traded at the deadline if only because no player who was truly happy with his current team would talk as much on the record about his impending free agency as Kuzma has. He's theoretically a dream fit for almost every contender: the fabled big wing who can shoot that won't compromise what you're doing on either end of the floor. The reality isn't quite as clear.

The notion that Kuzma has dramatically improved in Washington is overstated. He gets to handle the ball more, but he's a below-average isolation and pick-and-roll scorer this season, according to Synergy Sports. That has largely been the case throughout his career. He made up for that with the Lakers as an exceptional cutter and transition player, but those points are harder to come by in the playoffs when he'll largely be used in a spot-up role that he's not exactly equipped for.

No player has benefitted more from a two-month stretch than Kuzma. He flirted with 40 percent from deep in the first half of his rookie season and has shot just over 33 percent in the five years since. Doesn't matter. He has a shooter's reputation. That reputation matters. Opposing defenses are going to guard him, and he's far better at attacking closeouts today than he was two years ago. But anyone expecting him to knock down high-pressure stationary triples out of a standard, late-game spread pick-and-roll is probably going to be disappointed. He's a 28.3 percent 3-point shooter for his playoff career.


Playoff teams are so desperate for wings that they'll still probably roll those dice. The outline of Andrew Wiggins for Golden State a season ago is here, and Kuzma has grown enough as a shot-creator to at least imitate what the Warriors got out of their small forward in bench lineups last spring. But don't be surprised when teams further down the developmental curve sniff around Kuzma as well. His best trait at this stage might be his ability to eat innings in the regular season. He can fill several gaps for forward-needy teams that have enough shooting to support him. The Knicks are an interesting option on this front.

But Kuzma is a litmus test more than anything. He is a flawed but valuable player at a position that is so valuable teams will often tolerate flaws. Someone is going to offer multiple valuable assets for Kuzma with the expectation that they will give him a substantial multi-year contract in the offseason, and in the process, potentially set the market for similar wings moving forward.

3. Chicago Bulls
The Bulls are at the extreme end of the "do these players make sense in the playoffs?" spectrum. We know that they don't. DeMar DeRozan's scoring dropped roughly seven points in the postseason a season ago. Nikola Vucevic might as well paint a target on his jersey defensively once April rolls around. These are regular-season players. Chicago's roster is full of them. It's part of what makes them such an obvious candidate to blow up their roster and start again. Even when healthy, we have a pretty good idea of how this would go in the playoffs. The low-end here is a play-in exit, but the high-end, barring injury luck, is probably a gentleman's sweep in the first round.


And yet, individually, so many Chicago players are appealing to the right team. DeRozan can't run a playoff offense, but as a secondary scorer against inferior defenders? He's a nightmare late in playoff games. Vucevic shouldn't start playoff games, but he'd be a heck of a gimmick response to the sort of ultra-small lineups that become more common in the postseason. He can work in much the same way Boban Marjanovic did for the 2021 Mavericks. Alex Caruso is a Swiss-Army defender who survived against Antetokounmpo last postseason despite a half-foot size disadvantage. Together these pieces don't fit. Stick them on the right team and each becomes much more interesting.

All of this relies on the Bulls seeing what's right in front of them. This team doesn't have a future. Ironically, this era of Bulls basketball began two deadlines ago when the Orlando Magic came to the same conclusion and sent them Vucevic. That deal might be holding Chicago back now. With 21 wins, they'd have a hard time sneaking into the top-four of the draft. If they don't, the Magic get their pick. From that perspective, the Bulls might just rather wait this thing out and figure out a retool in the offseason. With Vucevic on an expiring deal and DeRozan in his mid-30s, though, the sooner they move, the better.


4. Atlanta Hawks
After a disastrous start to their season, the Hawks can quietly operate from a position of relative strength at the deadline. Clint Capela is healthy again, and they're 17-12 with him in the lineup. They have a new GM, so they don't have to do anything rash out of job security fear. Trae Young is even making his 3-pointers again. Atlanta can keep its cards close to the chest here and convince rivals that they don't need to sell.


And yet, John Collins has been available since the Reagan administration, Bogdan Bogdanovic can't seem to stay on the floor and there's quietly a fair bit of urgency to find stable footing because Dejounte Murray's contract is virtually unextendable and he'll be a free agent in 2024. The Hawks don't need to rebuild, but they need to retool a bit.

Bogdanovic is the sort of high-risk, high-reward addition that makes sense for asset-thin contenders. Dallas should be asking if there's a way to swap him for Tim Hardaway Jr. without offering a first-round pick. The Bucks could match his salary with Grayson Allen, George Hill and Jordan Nwora, but their second-round picks hold so little value that enticing Atlanta wouldn't be easy. They can trade their 2029 first-round pick, but protecting it would be difficult as it can't roll over into future years.

Collins is the more interesting candidate here for many of the same reasons Kuzma is. Both are probably better-suited on teams without immediate championship hopes, but both fill specific niches that intrigue contenders. Collins isn't an ideal postseason defender, but the ability to credibly roll or pop off of a screen is rare among big men. Dallas is seeing firsthand how valuable it can be with Christian Wood. Utah has been the most persistent destination on the rumor mill, and a partnership with Lauri Markkanen would give opposing defenses nightmares.


5. Toronto Raptors
If nothing else, math is going to force the Raptors to trade someone. Toronto is near the luxury tax as it is. Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr. can become free agents this offseason, and OG Anunoby is only a year behind them. VanVleet was reportedly offered $114 million over four years before the season, but thus far has not re-signed. Nick Nurse has called out Trent's defense publicly. Those two are the likeliest to move at this stage.

VanVleet was an All-Star a season ago. He's shooting a career-low 34 percent on 3-pointers this season. That might be fine for certain players, but VanVleet largely only attempts 3s. He can't get to the basket in a half-court setting. If his 3s aren't falling, he's not scoring. With his defense not quite at its usual level either, there's reason to hesitate here. VanVleet from a year ago was the perfect all-purpose guard for a contender with a high-usage ball-handler in place. Now, with his free agency looming, he's a bit more of a risk. Given his track record and the rarity of guards that can defend bigger players as well as he does, though, it's a risk worth taking.

Anunoby is the real prize, though. He's perhaps the best wing defender in the NBA and a career 37 percent shooter, so the question here is less "can we meet Toronto's asking price" and more "can we convince Anunoby to stay here long-term?" Anunoby is underpaid and represented by Klutch Sports, a dangerous combination for interested parties especially when reports have indicated that he wants a meatier role in whatever offense he plays for. Three first-round picks and a nine-figure contract are probably worthwhile for arguably the best 3-and-D player in the NBA, but any acquiring team would have to feel comfortable with his level of comfort in that role. He's a decent ball-handler, but there's not much room to indulge any isolation fantasies in high-stakes moments.


Realistically, any team in the NBA could justify trading for him. He's still only 25 and could help set a defensive culture on younger teams. A few destinations stand out, though. Sacramento sorely needs a wing defender, but could they come up with enough draft capital to entice the Raptors when they already owe one pick to Atlanta for Kevin Huerter? No team needs wings more than the Lakers, and at his age, he'd make sense as a long-term fit in Los Angeles... provided they cough up those two valuable future first-round picks they've been hoarding. If the Raptors want to finally fill their hole at center, some sort of Myles Turner-centric swap could send Anunoby back to the state where he played college ball.

But rest assured, if Anunoby does hit the open market, he's going to draw dozens of offers. As we've covered here, not every player fits in a playoff setting. Anunoby can play for any team at any point on the calendar. Don't be surprised if he fetches the sort of package San Antonio got for Dejounte Murray.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ings-enter-top-five-hawks-taking-flight/
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/24/23 01:53 PM
Poeltl is a great one to target IMO
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/24/23 02:00 PM
Trades are cool to talk about, but what do the Cavs have to offer in return for any of the guys on the trading block?
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/24/23 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Trades are cool to talk about, but what do the Cavs have to offer in return for any of the guys on the trading block?
Yeah that’s the tough part, unless we’re just talking a salary dump for a 2nd round pick in the future
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/25/23 04:07 PM
make no mistake, this team as built isn't going anywhere.. we need bench help desperately
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/25/23 05:30 PM
Another inconsistent effort last night. I had a feeling Mobley would come out soft. He didn't challenge Randall at all. Our close-outs on 3s is pathetic.

Btw----has Mitchell always missed so many games?
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/26/23 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Another inconsistent effort last night. I had a feeling Mobley would come out soft. He didn't challenge Randall at all. Our close-outs on 3s is pathetic.

Btw----has Mitchell always missed so many games?

mobley looks one of those guys that will never put it together.. Hes very inefficient and has all the talent in the world but doesn't seem to click. We really need some bench help. Our perimeter defense has been horrible for years. JB can't figure out how to defend. Our Bigs aren't good away from the basket so that hurts the rotation. Mitchell missing games is why I wasn't thrilled with how much we gave up.. He's worth every bit of it when he's healthy. He always misses 15-20 games a season
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/27/23 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Another inconsistent effort last night. I had a feeling Mobley would come out soft. He didn't challenge Randall at all. Our close-outs on 3s is pathetic.

Btw----has Mitchell always missed so many games?
That was my ONLY issue with getting Mitchell … of late, he had been having some ankle/soft tissue injuries that were starting to pile up
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/27/23 02:31 PM
j/c:

Good effort last night. Mitchell missed another game w/an injury, but the other guys came out and really established dominance early and coasted to a big win. Houston looks like a bunch of guys playing on the playground somewhere.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/28/23 05:36 AM
Another loss to a mediocre team. This team might screw around and miss playoffs. Bunch of dainty flowers on this team. I think what ever you do love can’t be here after the break. Way to much for a guy who plays like a d leaguer and misses tons of games. He’s a Max contract. We need wing help desperately
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 01/28/23 01:27 PM
j/c:

Last night was tough. We played back to back nights on the road after traveling from NY. OKC was at home and did not play the night before. Our legs looked tired in the second half. Rubio isn't playing back to back games yet. Love missed another game. And so did Mitchell.

My concern is that we are asking an awful lot of Garland. So much of our success depends upon him in games like this. It would be nice for Mitchell to get his ass on the floor and help Garland out. Garland is a wonderful player. So smooth. Can score and facilitate. We are just asking too much from him right now.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/01/23 02:25 AM
This team just isn’t very good. They flash time to time but we are a few pieces from being a serious contender. Our bench is a mess and we get nothing from our wing. Hope the rumors about standing pat aren’t true
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/01/23 02:40 PM
j/c:

Cavs played hard last night. Can't question the effort. Mitchell and Garland couldn't hit the shots they usually make. Allen didn't play well in the second half. I do have to say that while Mobley is still young and inconsistent, he has a legitimate shot to be something really special in this league. I'm talking about becoming dominant. I think the smart move would be to commit to Mitchell, Garland, and Mobley moving forward and not make any stupid trades.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 01:28 AM
Cavs on TNT right now. For those of us out of market.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 02:58 PM
Great win for the Cavs. Memphis is a very physical team that tries to bully you. The Cavs met their intensity and won convincingly.

Some thoughts:

--It's a travesty that Garland did not make the All Star team. Dude is one of the very best players in the game. He had a great game last night on a night when Mitchell couldn't make shots. Garland had 32 pts and 11 assists in a game where he outplayed Ja Morant. The Grizzlies had no answer for Garland.

--Memphis also struggled w/the length of Mobley and Allen in the paint. Mobley w/17 pts and 14 rebounds and Allen had 18 and 11.

--Osman had 21 and didn't back down when they tried to get physical w/him and Rubio also made some big shots and played w/great poise. Okoro played tough D and made some nice dunks.

--The story of the game was when Dillon Brooks delivered a hard shot to Mitchell's groin in the 3rd quarter. Mitchell got up and threw the ball at Brooks and shoved him to the ground. There was quite a pile up and a Memphis assistant tackled Brooks which probably was a good idea. Both Mitchell and Brooks were ejected. I support what Mitchell did. While you don't want to lose a superior player in an altercation, it was important that Mitchell stood up for himself and the team. Donovan said after the game that Brooks has been a dirty player for years. The coolest thing is that the Cavs did not back down after the play was over. In fact, they outscored Memphis the rest of the way and rolled to a nice win.

--I think this was a huge win for the team. They showed toughness, resiliency, and intensity in this victory over a bully team. One concern is that I think Mitchell's groin is still bothering him. He was ineffective on the offensive end during his time on the court.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 03:53 PM
Thanks for the recap. This one is spot on; so I know all the others are as well, when I don't get to see the game.

Obviously the story of the game in the media is the scuffle.

It's funny. Hearing Reggie Miller's voice at the beginning was refreshing... then the game started and I forgot how he loves to go on tangents and thinks he knows everything. He had a glowing review for Brooks, how much he loved his grit and toughness, how much he loved his fight.

Then he does his 'fish flop tornado punch' right in Mitchell's groin. "Oh, that was inadvertent"... over and over again. After first ignoring it the first five replays like it didn't happen. What a joke!

The other thing that was very refreshing was Bickerstaff's comments. I get tired of coaches saying "you can't do that". Coach said you have to protect yourself. What a breath of fresh air.


It was nice to see Morant, although he was in foul trouble right out of the gate. Dude just glides up and down the floor.

Osman is 'good' every time I watch him. I know he hasn't lived up to expectations, but he plays hard. They said last night he has the highest +/- in the NBA. I know that can tend to be a very misleading stat, but over the course of 50 games and an entire league, it says something.


Anyway. The vid has game action, commentary from the guys at TNT (Shaq and Barkley won't dance around the dirty play and see it for what it is), and post-game interviews including Mitchell and Bickerstaff (some of his had to be bleeped lol).


Great win, Cavs.

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 07:34 PM
j/c:

Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 07:49 PM
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Posted By: Jester Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/03/23 10:53 PM
The called it a "loose ball foul"

rofl
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/06/23 01:09 AM
Nice win for Cavs tonight in Indiana. Cavs played excellent defense for most of the game. We really challenged their ball handlers and shooters. Lot's of scrappy defensive play. It was also nice to see Mitchell hit some shots after a cold start. We need him. Garland was his usual productive self. Okaoro had a great game. At one point he was 7 of 7 from the field w/multiple 3 pointers. Osman brought high energy and Rubio is a calming influence for our offense.

Not spectacular, but nice, solid victory for the home boys.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/06/23 05:18 PM
Cavs with a nice road win. Pacers have good guards, but not the same level as Cleveland. It’s a good match up for us
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/07/23 05:39 AM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/07/23 01:32 PM
Cavs go 2 for 2 on back-to-back road games on consecutive nights. Washington was off the night before, but they were missing Beal and Kouzma. We were w/out Rubio who still isn't playing in back-to-back games.

We had a bunch of guys right around 20 pts. Our defense was very good again last night. Man, Okoro has really improved as a player. He is actually a threat as a 3 pt shooter from the corner now. Mitchell's legs looked better. Mobley and Allen dominated the paint. Garland is perhaps the best passer in the league.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/07/23 10:52 PM
Impressed with the bigs! I am really liking Okoro; smooth on O and on D. Wade should get some love. They are fun to watch, and it is starting to gel into a new level of performance. Garland can dish.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/08/23 01:14 PM
LeBron!!!

What can be said.

Congratulations LeBron you did have done it all and you did it right.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/08/23 04:08 PM
I was listening to Brian Windhorst this morning when asked who is the GOAT.

I thought he made a really interesting statement. I am paraphrasing.

People can look at championships and Bill Russell and draw that conclusion. Or, possible look at the scoring of Wilt Chamberlain and how he dominated.

However, between 1991 and 1998 Michael Jordan dominated the game like nobody ever has.

LeBron has dominated for over 20 years and this year; he is averaging 30.2. LeBron has stated he has at least two more years with the goal to play with his son.

I am not a huge basketball fan casual at best. I have many of the greats play. When the Cav's won the championship against the Warriors. LeBron gave the greatest display of basketball I have ever seen in a championship series.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 02:11 AM
No Garland and no Mitchell for the Cavs ..... no problem against the Pistons. Cavs up 29 with slightly over 2 minutes left.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 06:48 AM
Whoa!!!

Kevin Durant trade: Suns add former MVP for Bridges, Johnson, Crowder and four first-round picks, per report - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...r-and-four-first-round-picks-per-report/

The Phoenix Suns are closing in on a trade to land 2014 NBA MVP Kevin Durant from the Brooklyn Nets, according to The Athletic's Shams Charania. The Suns will send Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four unprotected first-round picks and a 2028 pick swap to Brooklyn for Durant and T.J. Warren. Durant had previously asked for a trade during the offseason, but at the time, the Nets did not find a deal for him. He eventually agreed to rejoin the team. The Suns, at that point, were Durant's preferred destination.

For most of the season, this sort of trade appeared to be unthinkable. The Nets looked like a championship contender after a bumpy start, going 18-2 in Durant's last 20 healthy games. Phoenix, meanwhile, hovered around .500 for much of the season while dealing with injuries to Chris Paul and Devin Booker. They've righted the ship in recent games, however, while Brooklyn has gone the other direction.

Kyrie Irving requested a trade after contract extension talks with the Nets fell apart last week. He was quickly granted his wish and sent to the Dallas Mavericks. This seemingly kick-started negotiations between the Nets and Suns. Without Irving, Brooklyn was likely out of the championship race. That forced them to reconsider trading Durant, and Phoenix swooped in to make a deal.

Now the Suns have one of the most explosive scoring duos in the league in Booker and Durant. Chris Paul remains to act as a floor general, and the Suns still have Deandre Ayton to serve as their center and defensive anchor. Reacquiring Warren, who started his career with the Suns, gives them a bit of forward depth to replace what they lost in the trade, and the Suns will likely be among the most desirable destinations on the buyout market.

Brooklyn, meanwhile, enters a period of great uncertainty. In less than a year, they have now traded Durant, Irving and James Harden. Houston controls their first-round picks for the next five years. While they have quite a bit of veteran talent, Cam Thomas and Nic Claxton are the only young players with significant upside. Sean Marks has rebuilt this team under far worse circumstances. The Nets overcame sending Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown to Boston. Now he'll have to rebuild them again, but this time with the knowledge of what went wrong with his first super team. Now Phoenix is the super team, and unless someone makes a major trade to compete with them before Thursday's deadline, the Suns appear to be the new favorites in the Western Conference.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 12:58 PM
I'm looking forward to the Saturday prime time game w the Bulls. My daughter and I are going to be in attendance for this one. Any recommendations for dinner near the arena, walking distance?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 01:46 PM
j/c:

I think the current state of the NBA sucks. Selfish players like Kyrie have ruined the league. The recent trades are like the plot of a Fantasy novel. Time management robs fans of seeing great players despite paying huge money for tickets.

On the other hand, I really enjoy watching the Cavs. They are a close-knit group that plays together. Their defense was outstanding once again last night. They challenged shots, dominated the paint, and forced bad shots as the shot clock was expiring. Allen and Mobley dominated inside to counter the loss of Garland and Mitchell. LeVert was ice cold, but played great D and finally started making layups in the 4th quarter. It seems like posters on here don't like Neto, but that guy is a little fire plug. He plays great defense, is gritty as can be, and sets the tone. He had a really solid game last night. Rubio was his usual calming influence and Okoro continues to impress. Winning these games before the All Star break will go a long way in regards to our seating. We do have to go to New Orleans on Friday and then fly back to play a "home" game against the Bulls on Saturday. The back-to-backs are tough, but we won both of them last weekend.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 06:03 PM
I think my Lakers got much better with the trade they made. Much Better!!!
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 08:28 PM
Well we didn't make any moves.. so obviously we don't intend to make a run this year.. disappointing given some momentum as of late.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 08:52 PM
I'm going to Hawks v Suns tonight!
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 09:30 PM
Or maybe, the right moves just weren't there to make.

Jae Crowder just went for 4 or 5 2nd rounders. Ridiculous. He's not worth that.

It seems like the stupid market exploded, and we weren't willing to be stupid.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 10:30 PM
Should be a good game... Durant won't be starting for the Suns this soon after the trade, so you don't have to worry about him spoiling your party. Have a blast!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 10:36 PM
Agree. The Cavs were also interested in Tim Hardaway Jr, but when the Mavs traded away Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith it closed the door on trading Hardaway Jr. Windy discussed this.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/09/23 10:44 PM
we will have to just putt along this season and hope to get some more help in the offseason. Love has been stealing money most of the season, Windler will never play in the NBA, so theres two spots, and one is a max contract we could use elsewhere. We are playing better as of late, but I feel like the second half is when teams make their push and its like garland and mitchell have been worn out already
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/10/23 12:51 AM
Some of these trades are absolutely crazy. I'm glad the Cavs didn't jump in. They made the trade they needed to before the season.

I'm very happy w/the construction and progress of this team. I have a confession to make. I don't think I ever stated this on the board??? When LeBron left, I thought the Cavs would be a lottery team for 10 plus years. Maybe forever. I was dead wrong. They have done a great job of building this team and I love watching them play. We might not win it all, but we play quality basketball that I find entertaining and easy to root for.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/10/23 02:43 AM
There were a lot of people who hated Altman, because the team didn'timmediately turn back around to being a playoff team. It just amazed me. Did he make mistakes? Probably. However, he has done a magnificent job of rebuilding the base of this team, and not being afraid of making big moves.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 03:57 AM
CAVS playing good tonight, alot of BS calls vs the Cavs, I guess it’s primetime so they gotta try to keep it close
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 04:11 AM
Richardson Jefferson is an idiot!!!
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 04:14 AM
Originally Posted by Frenchy
Richardson Jefferson is an idiot!!!


What did he say?

By the way, how about Mobley with an 18 point, 10 rebound 1st half? laugh
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 04:51 AM
Mobley is growing up right before our eyes. Not sure what Jefferson said but he is a fan of the. Cavs
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 02:30 PM
j/c:

Very nice win for the Cavs. I watched the first half and fell asleep midway through the 3rd quarter. We played really well in the parts that I watched. Garland's foul trouble hurt, but the other guys really stepped it up. Mitchell looked like he was moving much better. Mobley was a force as you guys pointed out. Allen was a factor. Okoro is growing and improving as we speak. LeVert excelled on defense and he yet another guy teams have to contend with.

The announcers got on my nerves w/their segments on KD going to the Suns and the Lakers chances. Shut the hell up w/that BS and talk about our game! I feel better after saying that. LOL
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
Originally Posted by Frenchy
Richardson Jefferson is an idiot!!!


What did he say?

By the way, how about Mobley with an 18 point, 10 rebound 1st half? laugh

Can’t remember now, lol, I think it was something about CLE or NO depth, and he said NO by far
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 03:42 PM
Well, our depth is much better now that we have Rubio and Wade back. Both are very useful pieces,along with Osman and Levert. This team is becoming more and more familiar with one another, and that is important.

I wonder if we'll be looking for a big on the buy-out market?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/11/23 03:47 PM
He's not a big, but this rumor is out there and it makes sense because Green is a 3 and D guy. He could provide help to the second unit, especially when Garland or Mitchell are out.



RUMOR: Celtics, Cavs showing ‘great interest’ in Danny Green if he’s bought out by Rockets
Published February 11, 2023, 8:46 AM EST

By Owen Crisafulli · 2 min read


The NBA trade deadline was surprisingly eventful, and even though there are no more trades that will be made throughout the remainder of the season, that doesn’t mean moves are done being made. Now, the attention will switch to the buyout market, which looks likely to have several big names hitting the market. One of the biggest names in that group is sharpshooting wing Danny Green.

Green was dealt to the Houston Rockets at the deadline, and will likely be bought out with Houston not contending this season. Green has only played in three games this season, as he was recovering from a torn ACL and LCL that he suffered last season. But Green’s skillset makes him a desirable buyout candidate, and it sounds like the Boston Celtics have emerged as the frontrunner to land him should he be bought out by the Rockets.

“Danny Green is the interesting player in Houston. I’m told he’d like to waived, just like John Wall is being waived, and not have to do a buyout. Teams like Boston, Cleveland, and Los Angeles have great interest in him.” – Adrian Wojnarowski, ESPN



Green is a strong shooter from behind the arc who can also play strong defense on the wing, which immediately makes him a player teams want on their roster. Green may not be the same player he once was, especially after returning from such a severe injury, but that hasn’t stopped several teams from showing interest in him. Both the Celtics and Cavs would have a good shot at landing Green, and it will be worth keeping an eye on him and seeing where he ends up if he does end up getting released or bought out by the Rockets.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-celtics-cavs-great-interest-danny-green-bought-out-rockets
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 04:35 AM
Good win for the CAVS tonight, legs were tired, took them awhile to get going.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 04:49 AM
Definitely a "never give up" game, for a team coming off a ridiculous back to back.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 02:46 PM
Yeah, they played 5 games in 7 days and I think the announcer said that the team plane didn't get into Cleveland until 4:30 A.M. It was obvious the guys had dead legs. Allen was having a hard time even walking early in the game. They really gutted out the win. Very impressive.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 05:41 PM
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 06:19 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 06:24 PM
I think that would be a really solid signing. Not sure how healthy he is, but there are times where we struggle to make 3s. It is much more pronounced when we are missing Mitchell or Garland. Also, Green is a really good defender. Again, this would not be a flashy or spectacular signing, but it would be very solid.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 06:48 PM
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by GratefulDawg


Well, get'r done. wink
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 09:58 PM
We got the deal done!


Agent: Veteran swingman Danny Green, Cavaliers reach deal

3:03 PM ET
Adrian Wojnarowski
Senior NBA Insider

After finalizing a contract buyout, three-time championship guard Danny Green has agreed with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a $2 million contract for the rest of the season, agent/attorney Raymond Brothers of Roc Nation Sports told ESPN on Sunday.

Green landed with the Houston Rockets in a deadline day deal on Thursday and will join the Cavaliers after clearing waivers early this week.

Cleveland president of basketball operations Koby Altman and coach JB Bickerstaff sold Green on the opportunity that exists to bolster the Cavs' bench as a 3-point shooter and defender. He also will deliver his respected leadership to a gifted young roster trying to make a return and run in the Eastern Conference playoffs.


The Boston Celtics, Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Suns also pursued Green, sources said.

Green, 35, brings championships with the San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors and Lakers to Cleveland -- and 165 playoff games in his career. Green played three games for the Memphis Grizzlies after spending eight-plus months rehabilitating a torn ACL. He suffered the knee injury in the Eastern Conference semifinals for the Philadelphia 76ers, who eventually traded him to the Grizzlies.

Memphis moved Green to Houston on Thursday as part of a larger deal with the LA Clippers that landed the Grizzles guard Luke Kennard.

Green has averaged 8.7 points and 3.4 rebounds over 14 seasons.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35646379/agent-veteran-swingman-danny-green-deal-cavaliers
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/12/23 11:42 PM
My daughter and I had a blast! Twas uncertain for sure in the first 3 QTRS.. then we came rumbling back!
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/13/23 01:48 PM
Danny Green back haha I had a feeling
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/13/23 01:58 PM
Glad you had a great time, Saint.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/14/23 01:57 PM
Cavs w/the seventh straight win last night. The Spurs are rebuilding and stink, but it's important to win these games. We got off to a great start, got careless as time went on, and then closed it out. Mitchell w/a great night. Good to see him moving well again.

Big one at Philly on Wednesday. I believe that will be on ESPN at 7:30.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/14/23 02:49 PM
They have been fun to watch, mores during this streak. We are getting more assertive as more players contribute, and overall, I like the defense when it has more hustle and scores off of turnovers. Not happy about The Wilt, usually in the third period where we surrender most or all of any lead we have; sometimes we get the win by frantically digging our way out of our well-dug hole. We are young, and DM is crucial. Wish we could stop more perimeter three pointers, but the ugliest win beats the prettiest loss. Go, Cavs!
Posted By: bonefish Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/14/23 03:25 PM
I am excited to be able and see that game.

I hardly ever get to see them play. So hell ya yes I want to see them win against the 76'ers.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/14/23 03:36 PM
We have played 4 more games than they have, but we are basically just one game behind them in the standings. Should be a big game.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 01:58 AM
Horrible 1st half against the Sixers. 36% on FG, 23.5% on 3 PT, and 60% on fre throws. Oh, and they have given up 63 in the 1st half.

Won't win many games like that.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 01:30 PM
Yes, terrible performance for most of the game although we made it close late.

Too many careless turnovers, slow to close out on shooters, not getting the loose balls, out-muscled, poor shooting, etc.

Mitchell scored a lot late, but he sometimes doesn't show up against the best teams.

Allen got pushed around by Embid.

Mobley looked intimidated by Embid.

Okoro couldn't hit open shots.

Garland was the only one who came to play, but even he made a couple of stupid turnovers.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 01:30 PM
Painful to watch. We threw a lot of shots at the backboard. Hit it a couple of times. Some of our folks need a break. Seems to me that this game proves not all these folks should be getting the minutes that they are. Welcome home, Danny!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 02:14 PM
j/c…

End of an era. ‘The Stop’ will go down as one of the greatest moments in Cleveland sports.

Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 05:45 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35669971/cleveland-cavaliers-cheer-their-own-3-second-calls

Why the Cleveland Cavaliers are cheering for their own defensive 3-second calls

12:27 AM ET

Tim Bontemps ESPN 


PHILADELPHIA -- When Cleveland Cavaliers forward Lamar Stevens was called for a defensive three-second violation -- resulting in a technical foul on Cleveland, and a free throw for the Philadelphia 76ers -- with 3 minutes, 58 seconds to go in the second quarter of Wednesday night's game, Wells Fargo Center was virtually silent as James Harden walked to the line to take the charity shot.
At least, that was the case until Jarrett Allen -- Cleveland's center and defensive anchor -- raised his right fist in the air and screamed, "Yeah!"

Fifty-six seconds later, while Allen guarded 76ers superstar Joel Embiid, forward Evan Mobley shaded over into the paint to help him out -- and he, too, was hit with a defensive three-second call. And, once again, Allen celebrated.
On its face, such an act -- cheering on the opposing team taking a free throw -- doesn't make any sense. The whole point of defense, after all, is to stop the other team from scoring.
For the Cavaliers, though, those defensive three-second violations are a matter of pride. Why? Because it is proof they are staying true to their defensive philosophy to protect the paint at all times -- no matter the cost.
"Our thing is to protect the paint," Allen said with a smile after Philadelphia's 118-112 victory. "We have two bigs in the game at all times, and that's where most of the points are scored. So if we can protect that, we have a good chance.
"So I'm just celebrating that we're doing the defense like we are supposed to."
And -- in defense of both Allen and the Cavaliers -- it's hard to argue with their approach. Cleveland enters the All-Star break with the NBA's best defense, allowing 109.3 points per 100 possessions, a group that's anchored by two of the best and most mobile defensive big men in the league in Allen and Mobley.
Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff has made it clear a single defensive three-second call isn't going to change anything -- especially when weighed against the number of opportunities that can be negated by having a rim protector waiting for a scorer at the rim.
"It's something that we've done all year," Bickerstaff said. "We've begged our guys to protect the paint. And we've told them we don't care if we get defensive three seconds because it takes away so many other baskets and attempts."

Jarrett Allen and his Cleveland teammates can be seen celebrating after being called for three-second violations. The reason? It means the Cavaliers are protecting the paint. AP Photo/Matt Slocum
After Wednesday, the Cavaliers broke out of a tie with the Milwaukee Bucks for the most defensive three-second violations in the league.
Perhaps it is a coincidence, but the team that is tucked in behind Cleveland in second place in defensive rating? Yes, it is the Bucks.
Bickerstaff said it is an approach he picked up not only because he has two elite big men in Allen and Mobley, but something he took from the great Celtics defenses led by Kevin Garnett a decade ago.
"The year the Boston Celtics won the championship [2008], Kendrick Perkins led the league with 19 of them," Bickerstaff said.

"So you imagine how many times he was in the paint and they didn't call it. So, in our minds, as we think about it, just stand in the paint. They shoot 19 free throws on the year, they make 14 of them, you give up 14 points, but think about how many you take away. So that's kind of our mentality."
It's one that takes time to get used to.
"I was shocked when I saw everybody's reaction to it the first time," Donovan Mitchell said with a laugh. "I was like, 'What the hell are y'all cheering about?'
"But then I realized it's a sign of our defense starts there. ... No matter how we feel or how we play, always having that in our back pocket, that we have each other's back, it's just a sign, and it's dope."
Mobley, the second-year prodigy who was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2021 NBA draft and the runner-up to Toronto's Scottie Barnes for last year's Rookie of the Year award, admitted it took him a while to adjust to being all right with being penalized.

"A little bit," he said, when asked if it was awkward at first to be OK with being called for it. "But you just got to buy into the system, the defensive system, and just trust the defense.
"It's been a conscious thing since I got here"
Cleveland is on the verge of its first playoff appearance without LeBron James in more than two decades -- and has a real chance to win a playoff series without him for the first time in 30 years. The Cavs are hoping it is their defense, and their willingness to stick to their principles, that will get them there.
"It's been successful," Allen said. "I do still think we have a long way to go. We still have a lot of mishaps, a lot of things we can clean up and a lot of things we can improve on."
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Frenchy
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35669971/cleveland-cavaliers-cheer-their-own-3-second-calls

Why the Cleveland Cavaliers are cheering for their own defensive 3-second calls

12:27 AM ET

Tim Bontemps ESPN 


PHILADELPHIA -- When Cleveland Cavaliers forward Lamar Stevens was called for a defensive three-second violation -- resulting in a technical foul on Cleveland, and a free throw for the Philadelphia 76ers -- with 3 minutes, 58 seconds to go in the second quarter of Wednesday night's game, Wells Fargo Center was virtually silent as James Harden walked to the line to take the charity shot.
At least, that was the case until Jarrett Allen -- Cleveland's center and defensive anchor -- raised his right fist in the air and screamed, "Yeah!"

Fifty-six seconds later, while Allen guarded 76ers superstar Joel Embiid, forward Evan Mobley shaded over into the paint to help him out -- and he, too, was hit with a defensive three-second call. And, once again, Allen celebrated.
On its face, such an act -- cheering on the opposing team taking a free throw -- doesn't make any sense. The whole point of defense, after all, is to stop the other team from scoring.
For the Cavaliers, though, those defensive three-second violations are a matter of pride. Why? Because it is proof they are staying true to their defensive philosophy to protect the paint at all times -- no matter the cost.
"Our thing is to protect the paint," Allen said with a smile after Philadelphia's 118-112 victory. "We have two bigs in the game at all times, and that's where most of the points are scored. So if we can protect that, we have a good chance.
"So I'm just celebrating that we're doing the defense like we are supposed to."
And -- in defense of both Allen and the Cavaliers -- it's hard to argue with their approach. Cleveland enters the All-Star break with the NBA's best defense, allowing 109.3 points per 100 possessions, a group that's anchored by two of the best and most mobile defensive big men in the league in Allen and Mobley.
Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff has made it clear a single defensive three-second call isn't going to change anything -- especially when weighed against the number of opportunities that can be negated by having a rim protector waiting for a scorer at the rim.
"It's something that we've done all year," Bickerstaff said. "We've begged our guys to protect the paint. And we've told them we don't care if we get defensive three seconds because it takes away so many other baskets and attempts."

Jarrett Allen and his Cleveland teammates can be seen celebrating after being called for three-second violations. The reason? It means the Cavaliers are protecting the paint. AP Photo/Matt Slocum
After Wednesday, the Cavaliers broke out of a tie with the Milwaukee Bucks for the most defensive three-second violations in the league.
Perhaps it is a coincidence, but the team that is tucked in behind Cleveland in second place in defensive rating? Yes, it is the Bucks.
Bickerstaff said it is an approach he picked up not only because he has two elite big men in Allen and Mobley, but something he took from the great Celtics defenses led by Kevin Garnett a decade ago.
"The year the Boston Celtics won the championship [2008], Kendrick Perkins led the league with 19 of them," Bickerstaff said.

"So you imagine how many times he was in the paint and they didn't call it. So, in our minds, as we think about it, just stand in the paint. They shoot 19 free throws on the year, they make 14 of them, you give up 14 points, but think about how many you take away. So that's kind of our mentality."
It's one that takes time to get used to.
"I was shocked when I saw everybody's reaction to it the first time," Donovan Mitchell said with a laugh. "I was like, 'What the hell are y'all cheering about?'
"But then I realized it's a sign of our defense starts there. ... No matter how we feel or how we play, always having that in our back pocket, that we have each other's back, it's just a sign, and it's dope."
Mobley, the second-year prodigy who was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2021 NBA draft and the runner-up to Toronto's Scottie Barnes for last year's Rookie of the Year award, admitted it took him a while to adjust to being all right with being penalized.

"A little bit," he said, when asked if it was awkward at first to be OK with being called for it. "But you just got to buy into the system, the defensive system, and just trust the defense.
"It's been a conscious thing since I got here"
Cleveland is on the verge of its first playoff appearance without LeBron James in more than two decades -- and has a real chance to win a playoff series without him for the first time in 30 years. The Cavs are hoping it is their defense, and their willingness to stick to their principles, that will get them there.
"It's been successful," Allen said. "I do still think we have a long way to go. We still have a lot of mishaps, a lot of things we can clean up and a lot of things we can improve on."


it was stupid..
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/16/23 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c…

End of an era. ‘The Stop’ will go down as one of the greatest moments in Cleveland sports.


I think too much credit is given to "the stop" it was just a missed shot. Curry makes that shot 8/10 more times with better defense too, it was def. good defense, but Kyries shot and lebrons block were bigger IMO

I think its good they are unloaded Love, 3 years too late imo. Wish they could have found someone willing to trade but that wasn't happening with that horrible contract.. I like Love the whole time he was here but he's not been anything close to a max level player he's paid like. We can use that money elsewhere.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/17/23 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Originally Posted by Frenchy
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35669971/cleveland-cavaliers-cheer-their-own-3-second-calls

Why the Cleveland Cavaliers are cheering for their own defensive 3-second calls

12:27 AM ET

Tim Bontemps ESPN 


PHILADELPHIA -- When Cleveland Cavaliers forward Lamar Stevens was called for a defensive three-second violation -- resulting in a technical foul on Cleveland, and a free throw for the Philadelphia 76ers -- with 3 minutes, 58 seconds to go in the second quarter of Wednesday night's game, Wells Fargo Center was virtually silent as James Harden walked to the line to take the charity shot.
At least, that was the case until Jarrett Allen -- Cleveland's center and defensive anchor -- raised his right fist in the air and screamed, "Yeah!"

Fifty-six seconds later, while Allen guarded 76ers superstar Joel Embiid, forward Evan Mobley shaded over into the paint to help him out -- and he, too, was hit with a defensive three-second call. And, once again, Allen celebrated.
On its face, such an act -- cheering on the opposing team taking a free throw -- doesn't make any sense. The whole point of defense, after all, is to stop the other team from scoring.
For the Cavaliers, though, those defensive three-second violations are a matter of pride. Why? Because it is proof they are staying true to their defensive philosophy to protect the paint at all times -- no matter the cost.
"Our thing is to protect the paint," Allen said with a smile after Philadelphia's 118-112 victory. "We have two bigs in the game at all times, and that's where most of the points are scored. So if we can protect that, we have a good chance.
"So I'm just celebrating that we're doing the defense like we are supposed to."
And -- in defense of both Allen and the Cavaliers -- it's hard to argue with their approach. Cleveland enters the All-Star break with the NBA's best defense, allowing 109.3 points per 100 possessions, a group that's anchored by two of the best and most mobile defensive big men in the league in Allen and Mobley.
Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff has made it clear a single defensive three-second call isn't going to change anything -- especially when weighed against the number of opportunities that can be negated by having a rim protector waiting for a scorer at the rim.
"It's something that we've done all year," Bickerstaff said. "We've begged our guys to protect the paint. And we've told them we don't care if we get defensive three seconds because it takes away so many other baskets and attempts."

Jarrett Allen and his Cleveland teammates can be seen celebrating after being called for three-second violations. The reason? It means the Cavaliers are protecting the paint. AP Photo/Matt Slocum
After Wednesday, the Cavaliers broke out of a tie with the Milwaukee Bucks for the most defensive three-second violations in the league.
Perhaps it is a coincidence, but the team that is tucked in behind Cleveland in second place in defensive rating? Yes, it is the Bucks.
Bickerstaff said it is an approach he picked up not only because he has two elite big men in Allen and Mobley, but something he took from the great Celtics defenses led by Kevin Garnett a decade ago.
"The year the Boston Celtics won the championship [2008], Kendrick Perkins led the league with 19 of them," Bickerstaff said.

"So you imagine how many times he was in the paint and they didn't call it. So, in our minds, as we think about it, just stand in the paint. They shoot 19 free throws on the year, they make 14 of them, you give up 14 points, but think about how many you take away. So that's kind of our mentality."
It's one that takes time to get used to.
"I was shocked when I saw everybody's reaction to it the first time," Donovan Mitchell said with a laugh. "I was like, 'What the hell are y'all cheering about?'
"But then I realized it's a sign of our defense starts there. ... No matter how we feel or how we play, always having that in our back pocket, that we have each other's back, it's just a sign, and it's dope."
Mobley, the second-year prodigy who was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2021 NBA draft and the runner-up to Toronto's Scottie Barnes for last year's Rookie of the Year award, admitted it took him a while to adjust to being all right with being penalized.

"A little bit," he said, when asked if it was awkward at first to be OK with being called for it. "But you just got to buy into the system, the defensive system, and just trust the defense.
"It's been a conscious thing since I got here"
Cleveland is on the verge of its first playoff appearance without LeBron James in more than two decades -- and has a real chance to win a playoff series without him for the first time in 30 years. The Cavs are hoping it is their defense, and their willingness to stick to their principles, that will get them there.
"It's been successful," Allen said. "I do still think we have a long way to go. We still have a lot of mishaps, a lot of things we can clean up and a lot of things we can improve on."


it was stupid..

Stupid or not they have been doing it for about 5 games now, and I’d bet they keep doing it.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/17/23 05:56 PM
I think they have been doing it all year.

I don't mind them getting defensive 3 second calls, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to celebrate the calls. LOL
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/18/23 11:10 PM
I'm conflicted on how I feel about Love being gone. I understand that his salary was crazy and that he is not giving us enough production to justify that salary. I also understand that he stinks defensively, other than drawing charges.

On the other hand, the guy is an excellent rebounder, very good shooter [more on that in a moment,] and a very good passer. He also fit in well w/this group of players. The Cavs can struggle at times w/outside shooting. Love was shooting well and then suffered the hand injury. He talked about how he had to alter his shot because of the injury. His shooting fell off. But, at some point, one would think his shooting stroke returns. We could miss that.

I suspect that he will land w/a contender. I don't know the salary cap ramifications, but I think the Sixers, Heat, and Lakers all make sense. Maybe the Bucks if they can't get Middleton back??? We'll see.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/19/23 03:50 AM
Cavaliers announce intentions to retire Kevin Love's No. 0 jersey - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavaliers-announce-intentions-to-retire-kevin-loves-no-0-jersey/

The Cleveland Cavaliers and veteran forward Kevin Love completed a buyout on Saturday, and shortly afterward the team revealed that they plan to honor Love by retiring his No. 0 jersey in the future.

"Kevin Love had an outstanding run with the Cavaliers, including memorable on-court moments, four NBA Finals appearances and an NBA Championship in 2016," Cavaliers President of Basketball Operations Koby Altman said in a statement. "Kevin represented the organization and the city of Cleveland with the utmost charm and professionalism during his nine seasons in Northeast Ohio.

"He also embodied everything a franchise would want in a player, and the admiration and gratitude we have for him will ultimately land his jersey in the rafters of Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse. We thank Kevin for his impact and wish him nothing but the best, knowing that he has solidified his place in the hearts of Cavaliers fans and this organization forever."

Love suited up for the Cavs for nine seasons from 2014 to 2023 and played an integral role when the team made four straight NBA Finals appearances from 2015 to 2018 and captured the first championship in franchise history in 2016. He was the last remaining member of that team in Cleveland. He's sixth in franchise history in total rebounds and ninth in total points. As a result, he's definitely deserving of having his jersey raised to the rafters.

Love will become the ninth player to have his number retired by the Cavaliers, joining Bingo Smith (No.7), Zydrunas Ilgauskas (No.11), Larry Nance (No.22), Mark Price (No.25), Austin Carr (No.34), Nate Thurmond (No.42), Brad Daugherty (No.43) and Bill Russell (N0. 6). It's safe to assume that Cleveland will also retire LeBron James' No.23 when his playing days are over.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/19/23 04:25 AM
Thank you Kevin!
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/20/23 02:55 PM
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/20/23 03:49 PM
Ditto, Kevin. I will always treasure our championship that club won for The Land. Thanks again.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/23/23 11:20 PM
I will be attending the Cavs v Hawks game tomorrow. I will proudly wear my #0 jersey even though he is no longer with us. He was my favorite Cav.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/23/23 11:23 PM
Sweet.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/24/23 02:12 PM
Enjoy, Eve! Should be a good game. Are their live home games fun? I think crowds can make a great experience better.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/24/23 02:20 PM
j/c:

Tough loss last night. Denver is an excellent team and it was an exciting game, but the Cavs couldn't close. Denver hit shots late. We missed ours.

I thought we played well against Jokic, but he ended up w/a triple double. 24-18-13. Amazing.

Garland was cold from the outside. Mitchel was cold from the outside in the first half. Osman missed open shots.

I think we did a poor job of closing out on 3-pt attempts.

Mobley was a force for the first 3 quarters. He had 31, but did not score in the 4th. Stevens had a nice game off the bench for us.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/24/23 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Bard Dawg
Enjoy, Eve! Should be a good game. Are their live home games fun? I think crowds can make a great experience better.

Thanks! Their home games are ok. This year has not gone well for the Hawks and they fired their HC the other day. So they aren't selling out seats. Maybe 3/4 full. Their halftime/timeout court activities are pretty good though. They try really hard to be entertaining. I got on dance cam once during the playoffs. Now, the playoffs crowd is amazing. It's absolutely electric. I love it.

Still hoping the Cavs and Hawks play each other in the playoffs.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/24/23 10:45 PM
Would be good match up. I'd watch.

I just assumed with you getting on the dance cam, well, that the numbers would be up and the place would be packed. Counter-intuitive, I guess. Just kidding LOLetc.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/25/23 01:22 AM
Man this team isn’t very good, you have garland/Mitchell and sometimes Mobley and the. A bunch of JAGs. Okoro is not a starter. Wish we could have done something at deadline
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/25/23 01:26 AM
Not a single point from our bench and it’s halfway through the second
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/25/23 01:39 AM
This is all terrible. flamingmad
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/25/23 02:22 PM
Sorry the Cavs played so poorly while you were in attendance.

I don't really agree w/lead that the Cavs are not very good. I think we have a very good team. I think we played like crap last night. Our effort did not match their effort. They ran us out of the gym.

Garland had 33, but played one of his worst overall games. Mitchell was careless w/the ball and could not take over. Mobley played tired. Allen did show up. We could not hit our outside shots. We played too much Iso and did not do a good job of moving the ball. We were slow in transition defense. Probably the worst game we played all year.

I will say that teams usually play really well in their first game after a coach is fired. ATL did just that.

I also have to wonder about how the NBA schedules games. Teams are returning from the All Star break. The Cavs play the top team in the West on Thursday night where they expended a ton of energy in a highly competitive game. They have to fly to Atlanta to play the Hawks who were off on Thursday night. What kinda BS is that? It seems like they could have massaged the schedule a bit to ensure that the game was a bit more fair in regards to a competitive match-up.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/27/23 02:27 AM
Nice game by the Cavs tonight.

We were 0 and 3 against them this season. They play bully ball. They pretty much commit offensive fals on about 70% of their drives. They do it all the time, so no calls. We stood up to them physically for the most part and ran the ball down their throats quite a bit.

Some observatons:

Garland was hot early and set the tone. What a great passer he is.

Mitchell missed early and then he was on fire. The flagrant foul was bogus in my mind. That is a natural bb move. You are jumping off one leg while attacking the rim. The other knee goes up. Bad call, but it pissed Mitchell off and he went OFF!

Allen w/a really productive game.

Mobley is so long. Blocks on one end. Dunks on the other. I do wish he would stop dribbling up the court though and give it to a guard and then run the freaking floor.

Why didn't Osman play?

Rubio was off.

Danny Green is playing on one leg.

Good win that we pretty much needed.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/27/23 06:07 AM
Yeah I think rubio doesn't have much left.. Funny you mention that about green, you can tell he moves like a man 10 years older than that. I don't think he's going to give us anythingq. I was glad to see Mitchell use that weak ass flagrant foul called by refs who obviously never played before as a spark.. We've missed that for years on this team.. Mitchell didn't bitch and moan, he said ok..you want the smoke. I still think our bench is going to be the death of us. We get nothing from them.. I like the idea of having garland or mitchell with that second unit, because we have zero scoring without it. Dean wade...ugh. One thing I struggle with with this team, is get back points.. Like we will go down, hit a three and then the other team immediate comes back next possession and gets one of their own.. It happens too much for my liking. But we turned it on defensively as a collective after the first few minutes of the 3rd and just broke them.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/27/23 01:42 PM
j/c:

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 02/27/23 01:50 PM
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I like the idea of having garland or mitchell with that second unit, because we have zero scoring without it.

That's a really good point.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/02/23 06:17 PM
j/c:

Tough game against the Celtics last night. We hung w/them early and had the lead at times. They came out smoking in the 3rd and had a lead of around 20. I was pretty disgusted, but we did fight back and made a game out of it.

Some thoughts:

Mitchell started off bad, but he showed the heart of a lion in the second half. He got hurt, but stayed in the game and played almost all of the entire second half. He went bonkers and ended up w/around 44 or 45.

Garland had it going early and finished w/29 and 9 assists.

Those two were pretty much a 2-man show.

Mobley had a double/double, but we needed more from him in the paint.

Allen played uninspired basketball. Very disappointed in his effort last night. Looked like he backed down.

LeVert was okay. He played hard. He's just inconsistent at shooting the ball.

Wade sucks! Dude played over 15 min. and had 0 pts and 1 rebound. Really?

Boston is very deep compared to us. We need more guys to contribute.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/02/23 07:15 PM
The Cavs bench has been abysmal.



which leads to this....



Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/02/23 08:07 PM
Abysmal is a very good description of the Cavs bench.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/06/23 02:41 PM
Watched the Cavs beat the Pistons the other night. That was expected. Hell, Detroit had 14 or 15 turnovers in the first half alone.

I want to comment on the bench because it's been a topic of conversation all year long. Milk's recent post highlighted our issues. Since we did not make a trade before the deadline, I think it would be a good idea to give some of these guys significant minutes. We saw Osman, Green, Stevens, etc on the floor the other night. I'd play them a lot and see if we can get at least one of these guys going. I say that because we need at least one more player to be competitive in the playoffs.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/07/23 02:50 AM
Cavaliers with a tough win over the Celtics, 118-114.
Cavs with 3 double doubles, Mitchell, Mobley, and Garland.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/07/23 06:05 AM
it was a win, though when you need overtime to beat a team missing 3 starters, shows you how deep they are and how bad we are with depth.. it would be like Mitchell, garland, and mobley not playing...anyone want to guess that outcome? Bench will be what costs us this year.. I really hope Altman is aggressive this offseason.. we have a window of about 3 years I think right now. We got the big pieces I think, and I think JB is good enough, he's not great, but he's got the teams trust and that says alot. We just need people that can contribute, not a single person on this bench I would trust to win a game. Its been a topic all season and thats why it was disheartening to see us do nothing at the deadline except sign a 90 year old danny green on one knee. People says there weren't deals out there but it seemed like alot more players moving than normal.. Mitchell is the star on this team, the team goes as he goes, and he's usually pretty consistent, garland is for the most part as well. Mobley/Allen is our big ??? Today Mobley was hot and Allen got manhandled and couldn't get anything going, other nights its the opposite... We are at our best when both are getting double double. Season winding down quick.. It will be nice to see a non-lebron Cavs team in the playoffs. Maybe get over that hump as the first step for contention.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/07/23 01:29 PM
j/c:

Disappointing performance from the Cavs. They played like they were going to stomp them w/out trying because the Celtics had 3 starters out. They fell behind by double digits and got to OT because the Celtics missed two free throws at the end of regulation.

Mitchell is a dynamic player, but he's becoming a bit of a ball hog. Too many times he is hoisting up difficult shots when he has teammates wide open.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/07/23 05:29 PM
I agree
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/09/23 01:45 PM
Nice win on the road last night. It was a hard fought game, just as it always is against Miami. Garland had a really nice night, but did have a couple of careless turnovers late. Mitchell made some big hoops, but went one on five too often. Mobley w/some nice blocks and Allen did good on the boards. Okoro hit a few nice 3s. LeVert was active, especially defensively, off the bench.

A couple of bigger picture thoughts:

--I wish Bickerstaff would go w/a 9 man rotation in some of these bigger games. We will need another guy to step up in the playoffs. Now is the time to get them minutes.

--We need to move the ball better at times. There are too many times when Mitchell dominates the ball for the entire shot clock. That's not good basketball.

--We stay in Miami today and play the Heat again tomorrow night. There is a thing sometimes referred to as the South Beach flu. I'm curious about how much energy we will have tomorrow night after spending two straight nights in Miami.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/11/23 04:51 PM



Report: Cavs concerned Jarrett Allen could miss time due to ‘pretty messed up’ eye
By Brad Sullivan


Cleveland Cavaliers center Jarrett Allen’s departure from the team’s Friday night game was described in negative terms after the contest.

Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com quoted an unnamed source who offered a blunt opinion of Allen’s injury.

“His eye got pretty messed up,” a source said.

Fedor added that “there’s initial worry about some kind of an absence, which comes at an inopportune time.”

The injury to Allen took place with less than four minutes left in the Cavaliers’ road matchup against the Miami Heat, a contest the Heat won by a 119-115 score.

After a missed 3-pointer by Cavs guard Ricky Rubio, Allen made an effort to grab the rebound. While battling for the ball, Allen’s right eye was hit by the Heat’s Bam Adebayo,

Allen immediately fell to the court, with the Cavaliers’ medical staff quickly checking out the big man. Officials looked into a possible flagrant foul call on Adebayo before ultimately simply assessing Adebayo a loose ball foul.

Exactly how “messed up” Allen’s right eye is remains a mystery. After the game, Cavaliers head coach J. B. Bickerstaff had no further update,

Losing Allen for any extended period, especially at this time of the season, would be a huge blow to the Cavaliers, who dropped to 42-27 after the loss. With just 13 games left in the regular season, the Cavs are seeking to hold on to their current position of having home-court advantage for at least the team’s first round playoff series.

Allen has been a central component in the Cavaliers’ strong defense this season. The team is currently in a three-way tie for the NBA’s best defensive rating with the Milwaukee Bucks and Memphis Grizzlies.

On the year, Allen has been effective on both sides of the ball. In 62 games, he’s averaged 14.4 points, 9.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists and 1.2 blocks per contest.

The injury to Allen no doubt brings back unpleasant memories of last season, when a finger injury forced Allen out of the final 18 regular season games for the Cavaliers.

At the time of Allen’s injury last year, the Cavaliers looked to be in position to compete in the postseason for the first time since 2018. Instead, they were relegated to the play-in portion of the schedule, where they lost two consecutive games to end their season.
https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/03...d-miss-time-due-to-pretty-messed-up-eye/
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/13/23 12:02 AM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/13/23 03:46 PM
It took a huge 4th quarter, but we finally overcame the Hornets and did it w/out Allen.

My wife and I are going to Charlotte to watch the Cavs play tomorrow night. We will be a few rows up from the Cavs bench. I'll have to restrain her from getting too crazy.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/15/23 04:03 AM
Attended the game tonight against the Hornets. Made the 1.5 hr. trip to Charlotte from Columbia. There was a wreck on 77, so it actually took longer but we left early.

Mitchell did not play. He did an extended shooting workout before the game. So, it was load management. We paid a ton of money for the tickets. They were right behind the Cavs bench. Parking was another $25, beers were over $10 w/tax and tip. Kinda sucks when guys take the night off when they are healthy. When you drop over $1,200, you wanna see the stars play.

Allen was out, but his issue was a real injury.

Anyway, the game was great! Got to talk to Rubin Patterson, a former NBA player. Got pics w/Anderson Varejao, and got another of him and Garland. There were a ton of Cav fans in the arena. We were louder than the Hornet fans. LOL

A few quick observations:

--You have no idea how freaking quick Garland is. It's one thing on TV. It's another when you see him live. Amazing.

--Another really quick guy is LeVert. Man, he can bend real low and is so quick in the passing lanes. He had multiple steals.

--Mobley had 2 quick fouls, but he was dominant in the 3rd when we opened up a huge lead.

--Osman had a terrific game. The guys on the bench were going nuts when he was draining shots.

--Why is D. Wade on the team? I think he had between 15 and 20 minutes, 0 pts, 0 rebounds, and at least 2 fouls. That was a serious question. What's he supposed to be good at? Shooting? I haven't seen it.

--Kelly Oubre [sp?] is a pretty good player for them. Rozier makes really tough shots.

--There were some attractive women there. Not that I was looking.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/15/23 04:12 AM
Im glad you got to go and they won for you! Going to games is so much fun. I was at the Hawks game yesterday and met some people who came all the way from Minnesota to root on their Timberwolves (who won).
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/15/23 04:19 AM
Wow! That's crazy.

Charlotte's arena is nice. Right down town and building is really nice. Getting food and drinks in the club seats was a breeze. The atmosphere was cool. How is ATL's arena and experience?
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/15/23 04:26 AM
State Farm Arena has some really nice clubs. The buffet goes from average to excellent depending which one youre in. I will see if I can post some pictures.

Edit: My phone isnt cooperating. Oh well.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/15/23 04:33 AM
Thanks. I might have to make the trip one day. ATL is not that far.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/16/23 12:40 AM
jc

Cavs on espn tonight.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/16/23 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
jc

Cavs on espn tonight.


Looked good early... then fell apart....
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/16/23 12:36 PM
j/c:

Crazy game last night against the 76ers. It was a game of runs by both teams. Amazing shifts in momentum. The late reversal of Embiid's 6th foul was huge! That one call sealed the game.

--Not having Allen was huge. Embiid is a huge man and looked twice as wide as Mobley and the other dude who tried covering him. I thought they might have tried Lopez on him a couple of times just to bang on him for short stints.

--Mitchell finished w/21, but he didn't play well for most of the game. This seems to happen against the best teams.

--LeVert had a really nice game. He's really an athletic dude w/long limbs.

--Garland's shot was off, but he started taking the ball right at Embiid several times that resulted in us coming back and grabbing the lead. He was also talking smack to Philly's bench. The moment is not too big for him.

--Mobley did what he could. He just doesn't have the bulk to match-up w/Embiid.

--Osman, Stevens, and Okoro all played hard. Osman either shot an airball, a brick, or hit nothing but net. It was crazy that all that happened in one game.

--Edit: I forgot to mention that our bench outscored theirs 45 to 19. That was a pleasant surprise.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 01:38 AM
j/c...

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 01:06 PM
That was cool!

As far as the game goes, the Cavs did what they needed to do to get the win. They have to keep winning to maintain the 4th seed. We are not that good on the road. The Knicks have been playing well and have had success against us. I think we are up by 2.5 games, but I'm not sure about that.

Washington has talented, so I was confused about why their record isn't very good. I saw why. They don't play good D. They turn it over too much. They play too much 1 on 5 and don't move the ball. On the other hand, the Cavs play very good D and move the ball better most of the time. They do have some careless turnovers, but it is not an epidemic.

I have to say this.........I don't get how in the world Darius Garland is so underrated? This guy is a freaking great player. He is so smooth. So quick. Great handle. A creative shot maker. One of the best passers in the entire league. Shoots the 3, drives it to the hole. Not physical on D because of his frame, but he competes. Plays the passing lanes very well. And the moment is never too big for him. He plays his best against the best. think he is one of the best players in the league.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 02:21 PM
We're 3 up on the Knicks, with 9 (IIRC) games to play. . laugh

Just checked, and we have 9 to play, and they have 11. They also have 2 more losses than we do.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 02:38 PM
Thanks.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 03:00 PM
thumbsup
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 03:23 PM
Got to watch the 2nd half last night sitting on a plane in Chicago, while they did some sort of maintenance. Not fun, at least I could watch the CAVS.

Hope Allen is back soon. We really need him down low.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/18/23 07:38 PM
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/19/23 01:24 PM
j/c...

Not sure if anything changed when we added the "play-in" format... Aren't we pretty much cemented to play the Knicks? We're the 4 (and not moving up); they're the 5 (and probably not getting passed by Brooklyn). 4 still plays the 5 in the first round, right?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/19/23 01:41 PM
Yes. That's why it's important we stay ahead of them. We don't want them to have home court advantage.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/19/23 01:43 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/22/23 02:48 PM
We took care of business last night. Nice to have Allen back. Last year, we fell apart down the stretch. This year......so far, so good.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/24/23 02:09 PM
Crazy game last night. It was another game of runs by both teams. The Cavs were outplayed for the most part by the Nets and severely outrebounded for most of the game. I was shocked we won. We were down by 8 w/less than 2 minutes left. The ending was amazing. We cut it to 2 and Mitchell was then fouled. He hit the first to cut it one. He missed the second, got the rebound, missed, got another rebound and missed again. The ball goes out to about half court where LeVert chased it down. He takes a couple of dribbles and throws it to Okoro in the corner. He hits the 3 pointer to give us the lead with 0.7 seconds left. Dude was mobbed. Even after the game, they doused him w/water while he was giving an interview. The joy of the players was something to behold. Great stuff.

Here is the end of the game:




Here is a link to the post-game celebration:

https://fb.watch/jtpMwkh3Fz/

Some observations:

--Mobley had a monster game 26 pts and 16 boards.

--Mitchell was great. He led us w/31 pts.

--Garland had a poor game. He was off all night and was not his usual self.

--LeVert struggled, as well. He did make a couple of huge hustle plays at the end.

--Rubio ran the offense well and made some sweet passes.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/24/23 03:46 PM
Yeah, that was a crazy ending. Didn't get to see the postgame 'til your post -- thanks. I noticed Okoro seemed a little emotional going back to the bench right after the shot... and again in the interview. Big moment for a kid you love to root for. thumbsup
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/24/23 07:36 PM
What a fun game last night, I wanted to change over to college basketball starting with about 8:00 minutes to go, but I didn’t and was rewarded with an awesome finish. Hope this really boosts Okoro’s play even more. Him and Levert have been playing so good the past month or two.

Think Mitchell missed on purpose? He hit the front of the iron with a line drive shot, totally unlike him.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/24/23 07:52 PM



Reminds me of the Nick Chubb TD call a few years ago. I think it is the same guy.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/25/23 09:03 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/27/23 12:51 PM
We clinched a playoff spot w/last night's win. I like how JB said they would appreciate it, but not make a big deal of it because they have a lot more work to do. The Cavs played well for most of the game. Then, things went south for awhile in the 3rd. I think JB is doing an excellent job, but he took Mobley, Garland, and Mitchell out and Houston went on a serious run. I would have kept one of them on the floor and subbed accordingly. Houston is a young team w/guys who are athletic and can score. They were down, but gained confidence and went on a run. Fortunately, Allen went crazy in the 4th. Grabbing rebounds, blocking shots, scoring and we regained control.

Observations:

--Allen's clean block on a breakaway dunk attempt was a thing of beauty.

--Mobley is really developing. He's getting stronger. He had a nice, all-around game.

--Mitchell got off to a great start. He's strong and has a sneaky good handle.

--Garland is such a great passer.

--LeVert was described as herky-jerky. It's true. And that is a compliment, not an insult.

--We need to clean up the careless turnovers, namely Mitchell, Garland, and Mobley.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/29/23 02:22 PM
Tough game last night. Allen and Okoro were out. Wade and Neto were also ruled out, so we only had 8 players. Additionally, other than Mitchell getting some favorable calls, the refs made a lot of bad calls against us that really influenced the game.

Observations:

--Mitchell was superb. He was very aggressive on offense. Took the ball to the hole hard. Made a ton of great moves and hit tough shots.

--Mobley was terrific once again. ATL has two bigs that gave us a lot of problems. We probably got killed on the boards. Every time we rested Mobley, we got killed. Diakatie doesn't know how to block out. I'm not even sure if he got a rebound. Absolutely terrible. I have to believe that Mobley's plus/minus was high and Diakatie's was terrible.

--Garland w/a very good floor game. He totally dominated Trey Young. He probably should have shot a bit more.

--We probably needed more production from LeVert, but his effort was there.

--Young gets away w/murder. He throws himself into the defender time after time. They are unnatural basketball moves that have no shot of going in. Most of the time, he gets the call. It's BS and it's not the way the game is meant to be played.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/29/23 08:13 PM
My bro and I went to the Cavs game last night. We had courtside front row seats and sat next to some rapper and his kids. It was the single most exciting mindblowing sporting experience of my life. The club was amazing. The seats were amazing. It was wild having these basketball players standing 5 feet away. I will try to post some pics/videos another day as Im so tired. I didnt get that many pics because they move so fast. I took a bunch of videos. Totally bucketlist experience.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/29/23 08:58 PM
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There was tons of food on the buffet but when I saw the whole roasted pig thats all I wanted lol
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/29/23 09:46 PM
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Here's some of the videos I made.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/29/23 10:49 PM
That's awesome! Glad you had such a great time.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 03/30/23 04:39 PM
Trae Young is tiny. But when he got in a groove I knew we weren't gonna a win.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/01/23 12:46 PM
Depressing loss to the Knicks last night. They are almost certainly the team we will play in the playoffs. They beat us on our own homecourt. They outworked us. They were more physical. They were tougher.

--Mitchell had an excellent game. He came out blazing. Garland had a very good game. Everyone else was not good enough. I will say that Neto plays tough. I would have put him on Brunson more. He was the only defender to give Brunson some problems.

We did miss Allen and Okoro, but they were playing w/out Randel, their leading scorer and All Star.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/03/23 12:15 AM
Great news, andreally some fantastic news for the Cavaliers in removing the limit of 2 super-max deals..

NBA, NBPA agree on new 7-year collective bargaining agreement
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...w-7-year-collective-bargaining-agreement

The NBA and National Basketball Players Association have reached agreement on a new seven-year collective bargaining agreement, promising labor peace through the rest of the decade, sources told ESPN early Saturday morning.

The tentative deal, which starts with the 2023-24 season, was announced by the league and union and is expected to be ratified by league governors and players in the coming weeks. The deal includes a mutual opt-out after the sixth year, sources told ESPN.

Among the key elements of the deal described to ESPN:

The NBA is curbing the ability of the highest-spending teams, such as the Golden State Warriors and the LA Clippers, to continue running up salary and luxury tax spending while still maintaining mechanisms to add talent to the roster. The league is implementing a second salary cap apron -- $17.5 million over the tax line -- and those teams will lose several key team building mechanisms, including the taxpayer mid-level exception, utilizing cash in trades, moving first-round picks in drafts that are seven years away, signing free agent players in the buyout market and taking on more money than is being sent out in trades, sources said.

In recent years, there has been an average of three teams in this highest salary and tax range. The NBA decided punitive luxury tax penalties did not curb spending habits of some of league's wealthiest franchises to exceed cap, and league's hope is these measures will bring more parity to competition. The NBA initially wanted an upper spending limit -- essentially a hard cap -- but the union rejected that kind of monumental change in talks.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari, Brooklyn's Patty Mills and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer. The Clippers' acquisition of Norman Powell and Robert Covington last season would also not be allowed as LA took on more money than they sent out in the deal with the Blazers.

As a counter to those spending limitations, the new CBA focuses largely on increasing opportunities for the vast majority of teams -- both above and below the salary cap. There will be new spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower spectrum of payrolls, including larger trade exceptions and new and expanded exceptions to the salary cap. Also, there's a less punitive system for teams at the lower end of the luxury tax, sources said.

In an attempt to curb load management and lost games among star players, the NBA is tying eligibility for postseason awards -- such as All-NBA teams and MVP -- to a mandatory 65 games played. The 65-game minimum does come with some conditions.

The in-season tournament could arrive as soon as the 2023-24 season. The event will include pool-play games baked into the regular-season schedule starting in November -- with eight teams advancing to a single-elimination tournament in December. The Final Four will be held at a neutral site, with Las Vegas prominent in the discussion, sources said.

Each in-season tournament game would count toward regular-season standings; the two finalists would ultimately play an 83rd game that would not count in the regular season. Winning players and coaches will earn additional prize money.

The NBA and NBPA have agreed to increase the upper limits on extensions from a 120% increase on a current deal to 140%, which could have a significant impact on the futures of stars like Celtics forward Jaylen Brown.

Under the current rules, Brown would be allowed to sign a four-year extension worth $165 million. With the extension rules increased to 140%, however, Brown -- who is set to earn $31.8 million in the 2023-24 season, the final year of his current contract -- would be able to reach his four-year maximum of $189 million, according to ESPN's Bobby Marks.

Similarly, Sacramento Kings All-Star center Domantas Sabonis could currently sign a four-year, $111 million extension -- one that jumps up to $121 million with the increase to 140%.

The NBA and NBPA agreed to eliminate restrictions that limited a team to two designated super-max contract players on a roster. Teams weren't allowed to trade for a third super-max player, or sign one to a rookie extension. This rule change could have a near-term impact on the Cleveland Cavaliers, who have two designated super-max contract players -- Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland - and burgeoning young star center Evan Mobley approaching his rookie extension.

The NBA and NBPA agreed on some improved leverage for restricted free agents, including a 10% increase in qualifying offers and shortening the matching period from 48 to 24 hours.

For the first time since the inception of the modern CBA in 1983, the team and league licensing revenue -- estimated to be worth $160 million for the 2023-2024 season -- will be added into the shared pool of Basketball Related Income (BRI). Owners and players split the BRI money, and that licensing revenue is expected to grow annually with the salary cap in ensuing years.

There is an increase in two-way contract slots, jumping from two to three per team. Two-way contracts were created in the 2017 collective bargaining agreement as a vehicle for teams to develop younger players. It has been seen as a success, as it's become a route to players earning long-term homes in the league, and in several cases becoming major contributors.

Some of the biggest success stories to emerge from the two-way pipeline include: Austin Reaves and Alex Caruso with the Los Angeles Lakers; Duncan Robinson and Max Strus with the Miami Heat; Anthony Lamb with the Warriors; Jose Alvarado with the New Orleans Pelicans; and Luguentz Dort with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

The agreement landed early Saturday morning after both sides agreed to extend a midnight ET deadline for the league to opt out of the final year of the previous CBA. NBA commissioner Adam Silver, NBPA executive director Tamika Tremaglio and negotiators on both sides -- including the NBA's Dan Rube and the union's Ron Klempner -- hammered out remaining details on the agreement, sources said.

After two extensions of the early opt-out deadline, the league's negotiations with Tremaglio and new NBPA president CJ McCollum delivered a deal months ahead of a possible work stoppage.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/05/23 01:18 PM
Cavs clinched home-court advantage in the first round last night. They also picked up their 50th win of the season. Those are impressive accomplishments for a young, ascending team. It wasn't easy, as Orlando is talented and improving. Mitchell was the difference. He racked up his 4th consecutive 40 point game.

Observations:

--Allen was +18; Garland +14; Mitchell +10, Osman +4; Mobley was at 0. Everyone else had negative plus/minus numbers.

--Allen was largely quiet, but he had a series of a couple of blocks and buckets in crunch time that were huge.

--Mobley was okay, but we need more from him. He wasn't all that aggressive.

--Dean Wade drives me nuts. We need Okoro back.

--Garland made some careless plays. Need to clean that up. But, he runs the show.

--Rubio had a poor game. He can't hit a 3.

--LeVert played hard. Gotta take the layup, bro. Don't pass it out to a dude like Wade.

--We need to stop the ball sooner on D. Guys get a full head of steam and there is too much dribble drive penetration.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/07/23 08:15 PM
Cavs picked up their 51st victory of the year and used all backup players. It was nice to see the bench guys and a few G-league players do such a good job last night. It was also cool to see the starters cheering them on. This team seems to have such a nice group of guys. They seem to genuinely like each other. I think they are easy to root for.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/10/23 01:27 PM
j/c…

Cavs in six.

Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/15/23 07:45 AM
Well, definitely not worthy of its own thread... on your next episode of Dumb Criminals...


Ex-NBA star Shawn Kemp charged with assault in March shooting
7:43 PM ET
ESPN News Services

SEATTLE -- Prosecutors in Washington state charged former NBA star Shawn Kemp on Friday with first-degree assault in a parking lot shooting last month over a stolen cellphone, saying that a text message Kemp sent just before the shooting showed his intent to confront and shoot the person who had allegedly stolen from him.

Kemp was arrested after the shooting outside the Tacoma Mall on March 8. No one was injured, and Kemp's lawyers have insisted he returned fire in self defense after tracking and trying to retrieve a cellphone that had been stolen from him earlier that day.

In a written statement sent by defense attorney Tim Leary on Friday, Kemp's legal team said he would plead not guilty: "He is confident that once the jury hears from the witnesses and sees the evidence at trial, they will conclude that he was justified in defending himself that afternoon."

A probable cause statement by Tacoma police, filed in Pierce County Superior Court on Friday, did not indicate Kemp was shot at. It said some of his statements were not corroborated by surveillance video, and that the text message sent just 13 minutes before he arrived at the mall showed his intent.

The document said Kemp told police that after being shot at he went back to his own vehicle, parked several spots away, to get his own gun. But the video showed that he was armed with the weapon when he approached the parked Toyota 4Runner where he had tracked his phone.

According to the statement, Kemp tracked his phone to a Toyota 4Runner sport utility vehicle that was parked near a JCPenney department store. He parked his own car, a Porsche, several spots away, grabbed a handgun out of a backpack and approached the 4Runner, the statement said.

The statement said he fired three times into the Toyota and then threw his gun into some bushes. The driver of the 4Runner appeared to duck one of the shots and eventually drove off, it said. Only about five minutes elapsed from the time Kemp arrived until the time the 4Runner left.

The bullets that struck the 4Runner went through the front license plate mount, the front quarter panel toward the steering wheel and through the front passenger door.

Kemp is due to be arraigned May 4.

Kemp, who has two licensed cannabis stores in Seattle, was a six-time NBA all-star and played for the Seattle SuperSonics from 1989 to 1997. He also played for Cleveland, Portland and Orlando.

Kemp made his NBA debut during the 1989-90 season as a 20-year-old who had never played college basketball. He became known for his high-flying dunks.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36190269/ex-nba-star-shawn-kemp-charged-assault-march-shooting
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/15/23 01:13 PM
Listening to this all day to get ready for Game 1.

Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/15/23 10:18 PM
Not sure Cavs are built to beat the NYK.. We struggle against physical teams. If knicks win tonight it could spiral
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/17/23 12:19 PM
Going in, I thought the Knicks are a bad match-up for us. They are physical inside and have a PG who creates his own shot w/a series of moves.

After game one:

--Their bench destroyed ours.

--Mobley and Allen did not give us enough. Those two need to get going moving forward.

--We need to sprint back on D.

--I think there is danger relying too much on one player. JB needs to get Garland going. He's talented enough to be a huge factor as Option 1B.

--LeVert has to come up big.

--We are lacking one more 3 pt shooter. Someone to hit those corner 3s.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/17/23 01:53 PM
Yeah I think Knicks in 5, we just have too much that has to go perfect for us to win against a team like Knicks, Mobley and Allen are charmin soft and have some horrible hands and touch around the basket was non-existent. Our guards got broken down every single possession.. Okoro is not an full time NBA player. We have to do some work on this offseason to get the wing spots solidified. Garland is a quandary for me...The talking heads keep talking about him being a superstar but I most nights see a decent player who has a chance to get hot.. I'd take 2016 Kyrie over him every day. The book is going to be out, Double mitchell and make the rest beat you..it won't happen.. Mitchell still makes some incredible plays despite this but he will get worn down. NYK were probably the worst draw for the first round. Welp at least we got in without lebron. We have some pieces but they need to play better.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/18/23 12:41 PM
I have hope, at least for tonight. Because we had some decent basketball in the loss; it ended up close. We have a lot that can be better and will have to be to win, especially away. We shot badly. We loafed back in transition, we blew threes galore, and our defense was late and soft to their shot. We also hurt them inside at times, and I think we can manufacture some foul trouble for them, especially targeting big men. Sit them down! Our bench should get minimal minutes if they can't play. I want more out of them, but a few are lead killers. BJ needs to fix the mix he has out there. Don't care who wins for us, but some of our best were late to the war. Run harder, play tough.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 01:59 AM
Cavs a lot of fun to watch tonight. They played a lot more physical and Garland was on fire.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 02:09 AM
That was a playoff effort tonight. That team playing like that is a scary team.. Hopefully they remember what that level of effort feels like because they can't let off. Biggest key was Okoro not playing.. he really hurts us when he plays, he's def been a bust and needs to be a 6-8 minute guy.. He should not get a single second over Lavert. Our bench is still very meh. We got lucky Garland was on tonight because Mitchell struggled, but DM still found a way to make an impact in the floor game.. If we can let those two trade off that will be hard to stop because you can't guard both. Quite a few breakdowns in the 3rd, there was like a stretch where we had quite a few lapses and let them go coast to coast with zero resistance. You can't roll 2 7 footers out there and allow that, foul if you have to. Speaking of, that flagrant on Allen was pure BS..even during the replay, his hand and his eyes were on the ball not Randle.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 02:11 AM
Getting being physically dominated in Game 1 may have been the best thing to happen to the Cavs. Happy they are fast learners.

Loved seeing Mitchell defer to Garland and others tonight to build their confidence. Still say Cavs in 6.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 02:54 AM
Whole world said Cavs were soft, Cavs answered the bell. Players picking their butts off the floor all night and having dental work done on the sidelines. Punctuated by a b.s. flagrant call on Allen because he wouldn't quit on a play against a player who had no business still being on the floor. Great win.

Also, when can we just kick trash-human Dramond Green out of this league?
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 03:29 AM
Thibs loves to grind his starters. Nearly cost him Randle. It's just dumb.

Draymond Green retires the season after he picks up his own player option next year. I thought that was a bit of a savvy play by Sabonis, grabbed Green's foot knowing he would react stupidly.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 03:33 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
We got lucky Garland was on tonight because Mitchell struggled, but DM still found a way to make an impact in the floor game..

I disagree with this. Mitchell did not struggle tonight. He deferred to build the confidence of Garland and others. This is huge moving forward. Had the Cavs gotten down in the game, Mitchell would have taken over.

Mitchell not having to play hero ball was fantastic leadership.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 09:57 AM
Unless you have a Michael Jordon or Larry Bird on the team, you can't rely on 1 guy. Good teams have a way of having several guys playing together and spreading the ball around. When 1 gets hot, you play to that.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 12:13 PM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
link

Here's some of the videos I made.


Cool, just saw this.


No doubt BB up close is a great experience. Hockey is the same. You just don't get that with football or baseball.

I like hockey on the glass. You have some glass between you, but in the end you are glad it's there when they start fighting in front of you or a puck smakes in front of your face. I'd be too tempted to pull on the back of a jersey or throw a few punches of my own, which would very likely leave me on the wrong end of things.

If I was 25 I might take my chances, but I am not, so I won't.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/19/23 05:20 PM
I love going to games. The courtside seats were the ultimate experience for me. It was bucket list. I'm jealous of people who can afford that on the regular.

I try to go to a lot of games in general. I like club seats and hunting for cheap ones is a hobby for me. This Friday I'm going to the Hawks playoff game, and on Sunday I'm going to the Atlanta United game. Then it will be it for a while. I think the Hawks will be eliminated and AUFC doesn't play again at home until mid May.

They have a field level club and field level seating for MLS here. You can actually stand/sit on the field. I've done that, but honestly I like the middle level club best as it has the TV view. The field level club used to be amazing, then they decided to cut costs and got rid of the upscale buffet and replaced it with stadium food. Shame on you Arthur Blank!! Ruined a good thing.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/21/23 04:53 PM
Cleveland really negated NY’s physicality last game and needs to continue that trend. Gotta use Garland to get down hill and be aggressive and force Randle to the middle of the paint and taking tough 2’s.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/21/23 07:08 PM
Seems sensible strategy. We could do even more to bore in and force fouls in the paint to sit them down. Shaving the minutes of their starters seems doable. Garland is huge. We need to run hard. Hope we shoot hotter than game one, play vicious D, and work the paint even harder. For The Land!
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/22/23 01:37 AM
This game looks like first. It’s what I saw happening. We can’t sustain the physical play, our bench blows, and garland is a nice player but not that guy you can count on every game to carry you. Their guards are destroying us
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/22/23 01:57 AM
Hawks win! Had fun.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/22/23 01:08 PM
Cut our own throats last night and they helped us. We are stupid at times on the court. The bench subs killed us at length again.

We insist on throwing three's at the backboard and continue doing it. Kills leads, creates deep turnovers, and doesn't create pressure on their defensive players. We also shoot fewer foul shots. Rubio failed again. What is wrong with Mobley? Stephens seems suited for this rough and tumble. Garland had no answers. When Lopez is a bright spot, then you have had a bad night.

Mitchell. Okoro was benched most of game. We didn't stink up only one end of the court; we were bad and worse after a pitiful first quarter. Not sure we have the spine to play with them, especially at MSG, but we can play better than we did last night. Game four is a massive gut check as it sits now. If we don't go inside and salvage wasted possessions (missed three's and turnovers galore) then sayonara. Have some pride; save some face. Mitchell can't carry an entire bench.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/23/23 02:35 PM
I agree. Three's is the vogue, but I like to see a little more working the ball inside to the post and scoring in there. Making more 2's inside of 8 feet is better than missed 3 after 3.

4 shots at 60% is 48 points. 40 3's at 33% is 39 pts. That 60% might be low.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/23/23 07:36 PM
j/c:

Well, we had a good third quarter... but still lost (sighs).

That was the first full Cavs game I watched in a long, long time. I always forget that they are on.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/23/23 07:41 PM
I called Knicks in 5, looks to be right, we are so vastly outcoached by a mediocre coach. we have no bench(which we knew all year yet altman did nothing) Our backcourt is so soft...and our "stars" have yet to show up in the same game. Team is a reflection of coaching and this team is soft when it counts. It was a fun season and we broke the stigma of not getting to playoffs without lebron, but we still need about 4-5 players to make any realistic run. Disappointing end but promising season and can only get better from here.
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/23/23 08:29 PM
Playoff basketball is about making adjustments and punching the other
Teams in the mouth. If your perimeter game isn't working
Then work the ball inside. Be the physically imposing team.
This Cavs team isn't much different than the Wilkens teams
Just really soft
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/23/23 08:38 PM
yep, those Wilkens teams were really soft inside.. Hence "Brad Dorothy" lol
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/26/23 07:46 PM
"Dorothy" has her work cut out for her tonight. I thought that was clever and funny. We have done a few things that hurt them and stopped doing them. We are getting outhustled. Start there; sometimes that sorts other things out. T hope we give a decent account of ourselves. Take it inside, and write off this bench. I imagine I will watch and see more of what didn't work three times.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/26/23 10:55 PM
Cant watch the game. Its not on tnt or espn. flamingmad
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/26/23 11:22 PM
Already down big. I don’t think JB is the guy. We lack leadership. Getting out worked at every facet. Not a good look for a coach.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/27/23 01:36 AM
Out like mice... this team is a bunch of pansies and our bigs aren't near as good as people try to make them seem.. We need to move one of them. We need strength and those clowns got pushed around by everyone this series.. I think you have to move on from JB quickly.. Its a short window and the dude got outclassed by Tom freaking Thibodeau. He could not see what everyone else in the world could and all his "adjustments" did nothing. You don't want to waste time like we did the Mike brown years when you won because you had top talent player like lebron but can't do anything with it.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/27/23 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c…

Cavs in six.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/27/23 03:24 PM
This team and this coach have some soul searching to do. We bullied some folks, wins are up, but bench folks and some starters folded. Not a playoff squad yet. We got out-hustled AND outmuscled. We go no deeper if we can't shoot better, including foul shots, defend, and stop wasting possessions with wasted threes. Some of our unproductive folks need to get better or get gone. Consider, fans: Who hurt us the most?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 04/28/23 12:47 PM
Disappointing end to a very good season for the Cavs. I knew the Knicks were a tough match-up for us, but I didn't think we'd lose in just 5 games.

A couple of thoughts:

--Mitchell Robinson completely dominated Allen. I praised Allen earlier this year, but he looked like a wuss out there. Robinson manhandled him and that was the biggest mismatch on the entire floor.

--Knicks completely out-hustled the Cavs. They got almost every loose ball. It was sickening to witness.

--Thibodeau is an excellent coach. I think he's the best defensive coach in the league.

--I like our coaching staff. I totally disagree about moving on from Bickerstaff.

--I will say that I am puzzled why we didn't continue to blitz Brunson like we did in game 2. We forced him right [he's left handed] and then brought a hard double at him trapping him up high. That really disrupted their offense.

--It's hard to believe guys don't run back on defense, especially in the playoffs. This isn't the NBA of the 80s w/Magic, Bird, Jordan, etc. when teams played hard the entire game.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/02/23 03:07 AM
Celtics lose tonight. LOL!!!! The'll probably still win the series with Philly but after last night's Bruin's elimination and then the Celtics losing tonight, well, it couldn't happen to a better group of fans brownie
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/02/23 12:29 PM
76ers are a strange team. Maxes and Harden can really get it going but don’t play ANY defense lol. To win in boston without Embiid is crazy
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/02/23 02:36 PM
It's fun to focus and watch Harden watch others play defense. rofl
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/02/23 04:34 PM
Haha so true
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/07/23 01:51 PM
j/c:

LeBron James fails to take a shot in the ENTIRE first quarter for the first time in his playoff career as the Lakers beat Golden State Warriors in Game 3

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...ter-Lakers-vs-Warriors-NBA-playoffs.html
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/13/23 05:00 PM
Gotta be honest, it was great to see James and the Lakers dispose of the Dubs last night. It took me a long time to get to this place where it's exciting to root for him.

Can't wait to see the Warriors finally wash their hands of Dramond... so he can wither into obscurity, where he belongs. I don't understand how officials put up with such a cancer on the floor.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/13/23 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Gotta be honest, it was great to see James and the Lakers dispose of the Dubs last night. It took me a long time to get to this place where it's exciting to root for him.

Can't wait to see the Warriors finally wash their hands of Dramond... so he can wither into obscurity, where he belongs. I don't understand how officials put up with such a cancer on the floor.

Yep. Dramond is pure filth. He tries to hurt people and cries like a baby when he gets caught. I also loved watching Lebron send the Warriors home.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/13/23 09:36 PM
We may have seen the last of the big 3 in golden state. Maybe only Curry remains
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/15/23 01:48 PM
Go Lakers!!! They got a lot farther than anyone thought. IS a Lakers- Celtics final inevitable? I don't know if my Lakers will get there Denver is an excellent team. Pencil in the Celtics. They'll win the east.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/15/23 02:15 PM
Guesses:

Celtics over Heat in 5
Nuggets over Lakers in 7
Posted By: The Collector Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/16/23 09:23 PM
I'm a Nuggets fand and a LeBron fan.

I would really like to see the Nuggets win it all... Jokic is an awesome dude.


But if the lake show take them down I'll be cheering for them in the finals. Another ring for Bron would silence a lot of people.
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Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/17/23 11:41 AM
Boy oh boy Jokic was incredible. And they shot out of their butts!! What an offensive performance
Posted By: jfanent Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/17/23 12:24 PM
The Nuggets and Jokic had one of the best 1st halfs of all time, still up 21 in the 3rd and almost blew it. The Lakers just might take this series.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/17/23 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by jfanent
The Nuggets and Jokic had one of the best 1st halfs of all time, still up 21 in the 3rd and almost blew it. The Lakers just might take this series.
If I were a Lakers fan this is how I’d think too. They figured out to put Rui on Jokic and the Nuggets will never shoot better than last night either. Should be a good series
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/17/23 04:46 PM


And the Spurs get the #1 pick again. David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and now Victor Wembanyama, possibly the best C/player to be drafted since LeBron, glad he’s in the west.

Also good for him to learn from Robinson and Duncan, and Gregg Popovich.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/17/23 10:42 PM
I'm a Lakers fan for 55 years and I agree thumbsup
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/18/23 12:22 PM
Heat steal game 1?? Man, they are some dawgs.

Celtics are Uber talented but play in stretches where they forget it
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/20/23 03:39 PM
Man, the Heat/Celtics game was a darn-tootin' good last night! Will be watching the Nuggets/Lakers tonight - unless I forget to. lol
Posted By: The Collector Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/21/23 08:10 AM
Nuggets in 4 or they win back at Mile High in 5?
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/21/23 06:49 PM
The Nuggets look good enough to win it in four, but who knows? We shall see.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/25/23 10:31 PM
Not a Celtics fan and I really enjoy when they lose. However, I'm getting a bad feeling about this series, like the Celtics may win 4 straight even though it's never been done before. Hope I'm dead wrong on this.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/28/23 03:16 AM
The end of this ECF game was nuts.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/28/23 04:25 AM
Insane ending.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/28/23 01:45 PM
I completely forgot that that game was on last night. Hot damn! My memory is terrible.
Posted By: Psydeffect Re: Cavs/NBA - 05/28/23 02:09 PM
That was a fantastic ending, and it couldn't have happened to a better fan base.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/02/23 02:34 PM
I watched the first game of the Finals last night. I hope the rest of the games are more competitive than that one.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/03/23 06:30 PM
Man If I'm the cavs, I get rid of JB and get Budenholzer now. JB is not a good coach in the post season. Budenholzer would take this team where we need to go
Posted By: Squires Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/13/23 10:34 PM
This is what it feels like to live near a winning city. 2 championship parades in a year.

Denver is the first western conference team to win the finals that is not from Cali or Texas since 1979.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/20/23 04:32 PM
j/c:

That was quick.

Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/23/23 01:59 PM
Don’t know much about Emoni Bates, this is a short clip.


Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/23/23 06:22 PM
If he keeps his head on straight, and adds aome muscle to his frame, he might be something. He was once a highly rated players.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/23/23 11:58 PM
Destined for d-league. Not a good pick but we already gave all our draft capital up. So now we are stuck trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a few years
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/24/23 12:52 AM
I think he's a decent pick for where he was taken. He is able to create a little, and can hit a decent level of outside shots. He is destined for the D League, and hopefully he'll develop, as Dean Wade did. Not a star, but maybe a useful player in the right circumstances.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/24/23 04:58 PM
Emoni Bates scouting report: What NBA Draft analysts said before he was Cavs’ pick - cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/sports/20...alysts-said-before-he-was-cavs-pick.html
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/25/23 12:11 AM
j/c:


Lolz.

These are the type of deals fantasy basketball teams send to each other.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/25/23 12:55 AM
wow.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/28/23 03:08 PM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/28/23 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie

Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/28/23 05:25 PM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/29/23 12:35 PM
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/29/23 04:39 PM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 06/30/23 10:58 PM

Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 02:44 AM
2 solid moves, especially givewn what they have to work with.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 01:25 PM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 01:26 PM
Many of these NBA contracts seem wild.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 01:56 PM
Strus was a great pickup, addition by subtraction with Cedi and Stevens leaving.. They couldn't be counted on for consistency.. Im glad to see LaVert back, there was a stretch at the end of last year we don't win half the games without LaVert. Niang will be that bench guy to come in and get points but his defense is non-existent. He doesn't really move the needle at all one way or another but he adds shooting and we need that.. strus is the piece for this offseason but I am concerned we really are just adding offense and these guys are actually more known for NOT playing defense..Thats tough as a wing. I am wondering if Allen gets moved, he's a decent guy but playoffs exposed him. I would have rather have Markhannen than him.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 02:33 PM
1. Re-signed Caris Levert
2. Signed Georges Niang
3. Traded for Max Struss
4. Hopefully they sign Donte DiVincenzo, we dont have much left, but alot of players have been signing for alot less than max, max mle, they’ve been signing vet minimum deal
5. And we need to sign another big
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 03:13 PM
The Cedi experience finally comes to an end.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 09:07 PM
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/01/23 11:02 PM
Wewll, he's a big, for little to no cost. (except salary) I don't know that he brings a whole lot, but he also costs very little.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 12:12 AM
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 01:08 AM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 01:42 AM
Originally Posted by Frenchy
1. Re-signed Caris Levert
2. Signed Georges Niang
3. Traded for Max Struss
4. Hopefully they sign Donte DiVincenzo, we dont have much left, but alot of players have been signing for alot less than max, max mle, they’ve been signing vet minimum deal
5. And we need to sign another big

DiVincenzo went to the Knicks on a 4 year 50 mil contract.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 02:09 PM
What's the deal w/ Rubio? Is he about to retire or something?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 04:55 PM
What are the details of the Damien Jones trade?

I am not a big NBA fan....was it for money, a player, or draft pick?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/02/23 07:29 PM
Don't know who this guy is, but Distin Fox re-tweeted him.

Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/03/23 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by Frenchy
1. Re-signed Caris Levert
2. Signed Georges Niang
3. Traded for Max Struss
4. Hopefully they sign Donte DiVincenzo, we dont have much left, but alot of players have been signing for alot less than max, max mle, they’ve been signing vet minimum deal
5. And we need to sign another big

DiVincenzo went to the Knicks on a 4 year 50 mil contract.

Yeah I was disappointed about it.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/11/23 04:44 PM


Well Bates started slow in Game 1 of the summer league, but he has gotten better every game. Bates, Merrill, Nance, and Mobley have all played, along with really the whole team.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/18/23 04:35 AM
Cavs won the Summer League Championship, Isiah mobley, Merrill and Bates were lights out the whole tournament.. Merrill could be the answer to our shooting woes.. The elder mobley is def. the better shooter out of the brothers.. He's looked to have improved his overall game since last year.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/18/23 11:20 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Cavs won the Summer League Championship, Isiah mobley, Merrill and Bates were lights out the whole tournament.. Merrill could be the answer to our shooting woes.. The elder mobley is def. the better shooter out of the brothers.. He's looked to have improved his overall game since last year.

I never watched a game live, but watched the extended highlights from the games.

Merrill did look good. Sort of a Steve Kerr sharpshooter. All teams need that off the bench. My only question is his age. I think he is 27. Some people are late bloomers, but I still wonder why he hasn't stuck with a team for any length of time? If he shot like that before, he would already be on a NBA roster and playing meaningful minutes. Even winning games on last second shots.

Mobley just seems like another guy to me. We are pretty good in the Bigs department, but if he can hold up and give 10 or so solid minutes a game, it might open up the possibility of trading guy like Allen.

Bates is the wildcard. Talent no doubt. I question if he can get his mind right. Only time will tell there. I also question if he can play team basketball or if he is just a 1 on 1 freak? If he can get it together, we might have something in that kid. At this point, it is up to him. Coaches can stress those things, but they really can't coach team play.

I hope the guy gets it together. He has the ability to have a 12 year NBA career.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/18/23 03:18 PM
congrats to the Cavs on the summer league title ... let's hope it somehow helps next year
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/18/23 09:09 PM
Congrats to the Cavs winning the title. Looked swell last night. Newcomers clicked.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/19/23 11:48 AM
Another guy I didn't mention was Porter Jr.

He won't be more than just a part player, but he does have an all around game. He can make shots, keep his team involved, grab a rebound, play decent D.

Again, not real star in the making, but as an end of the bench guy, you can put him out there and not get killed. There is value to a team who can put a guy out there for 4-5 minutes and play even or close to even and try to wear down their starter while you rest your starter.

There are ways to contribute to the team without burning up the stat sheet. Fans might not notice it, but coaches do.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/26/23 04:01 AM
Congrats Boston for giving out the dumbest contract ever

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-fr...nsion-with-boston-celtics-151035459.html
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 07/26/23 02:39 PM
That's a HUGE chunk of cash for a second option
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/11/23 08:49 PM
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/11/23 09:51 PM
Is that a good or bad thing?
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/11/23 09:59 PM
that's .. odd
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/13/23 02:10 AM
Such a dumb move. He’s a nobody without lebron. He’s proved that everywhere. You can swing a dead cat in the arena and hit someone to get you 4/4
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/13/23 04:49 PM
If he takes a spot that could of been used for I Mobley or P Nance, I will really not like this move.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/16/23 04:38 PM
j/c...

Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/16/23 06:10 PM
Ruh-roh.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/16/23 08:52 PM
that's not good
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/18/23 11:45 AM
My attitude on that is "stuff happens".

No doubt poor decision making, and you don't want to see a pattern of such behavior. Take a cab/uber, or in your case you can probably afford a private driver.

I wonder how much a typical Uber driver actually takes home in an average night? Just work a private deal with them.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/18/23 03:37 PM
It's definitely not good. Unfortunately, if you don't plan on calling an Uber beforehand, you're not likely to be in a state of mind to realize you need one.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/21/23 01:11 AM
Hire a driver before heading to the Shoreby Club...

Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/21/23 01:50 AM
I do not doubt he was intoxicate. But common sense says don't EVER do the tests. Not one single person alive can do them. The cops ask you to for one reason: to have video of you failing what every single sober person would fail. Period.

If you feel you are under the "limit", just tell them you'd like to blow. Your are NOT required to do the tests that no one can do - not even the cop.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/27/23 06:18 PM
This isn't good for the Cavs chances.

Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/27/23 06:25 PM
trying to keep Giannis happy
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/29/23 01:07 PM
If Mobley's ceiling is what everyone says it is, the Cavs should be fine. But he needs to take three giant steps forward now. It's been a cute ride to date but time to grow up.

The Cavs biggest issue is they are a soft, coddled bunch by a coach who awards participation trophies and doesn't push the team to their potential. If JB doesn't start demanding more out of the team, they will get bounced by tougher teams again.

And for crying out loud Cavs fans please stop trying to run off Mitchell. He's a top ten player in the NBA and the only player who isn't soft and has a killer instinct on the team. It doesn't matter how Lauri does from here on out. Mitchell is light years the better player and we are lucky to have him.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/29/23 01:20 PM
Mobley is definitely a key. He needs to kick it into gear offensively.

We also need to get TOUGHER. We saw it against the Knicks ... we have skill, but are slight and not really tough
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 09/29/23 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
This isn't good for the Cavs chances.


Haslam trying out a Watson-style trade in the NBA already?
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/10/23 04:34 PM
Preseason against the Hawks tonight. Really excited for this seasong. will be a good distraction from the dumpster fire the Browns have become
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/10/23 04:38 PM
well, I think the Cavs will be a better team than the Browns ... the problem is the east is just so stacked
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/10/23 08:13 PM
I will be at the Game tonight! I will be wearing my Kevin Love jersey even though he left. I'm excited!
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/11/23 12:41 AM
Will the Cavs ever beat the Hawks when I'm at the game?

Seems like an impossibility.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/11/23 02:55 PM
Garland and Mitchell were about as garbage as you could be last night and JB made some dumb calls at the end that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. But it was game one, I've learned never to spend money on a preseason game..lol But alot of good last night too, the new additions look like they will be able to fill some holes. Bates looks to be as advertised, but man he needs to add about 30lbs. Perimter defense still looks to be an issue that hasn't been addressed in camp. But I think we will have enough offense on the bench we can keep a couple defense only out on the floor with both units. looking for a great season.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 12:21 AM
man cavs hot garbage again tonight. Mitchell looks like a guy waiting to leave and the offense is just putrid and the defense on the perimeter and in the paint non existent. I still don't think JB is the coach thats going to get us where we want to go. too many deficiencies and they carry over year to year. At some point you have to punt and take a chance on a new voice. Its going to be a long season if they play like they have so far the preseason. That would be typical cleveland luck. I'm just praying they are sandbagging it
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 03:42 AM
I had Hawks floor seats tonight. 2nd row.

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The best part? Being literally only 5 feet away from the Hawks bench.

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It was baddass. When I left I felt overwhelmed by how awesome it was.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 03:45 AM
WOW!

That's up close and personal!
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 03:49 AM
Ikr!! I highly reccommend floor seats for anyone who is a fan. Preseason seats are cheap. I hobb knobbed with the VIPs for $383.00 There was a fancy all inclusive club too.
Well worth the price of admission.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 11:38 AM
great seats! thanks for sharing
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 01:41 PM
Yep. Almost went a couple years ago in the pre. Once the season starts, they are 3-5 times that price.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/13/23 01:42 PM
thats a good plan actually ... that sort of experience is cool, regardless of when it happens during the season
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/17/23 09:32 PM
I was so inspired by my experience that I became a season ticket holder. It's only for 7 games, but the seat is only 8 rows from the floor and has an all inclusive club. So I'm pretty pleased. This is my first time having season tickets with any sport. The Hawks have the #1 rated fan experience in the NBA. I love it there. I always get comments on my Cavs jersey lol
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/22/23 02:19 PM
That's awesome.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 04:28 PM
Anyone concerned Mitchell doesn't want to be in Cleveland?

Not sure if they are rumors or insinuations.

Seems like a bit of a cloud hanging over the teams heads going into the season.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Anyone concerned Mitchell doesn't want to be in Cleveland?

Not sure if they are rumors or insinuations.

Seems like a bit of a cloud hanging over the teams heads going into the season.
yeah I highly doubt he re-signs here ... rumors have been that he wants to be a Knick
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Anyone concerned Mitchell doesn't want to be in Cleveland?

Not sure if they are rumors or insinuations.

Seems like a bit of a cloud hanging over the teams heads going into the season.
yeah I highly doubt he re-signs here ... rumors have been that he wants to be a Knick

I have no concerns, he will play this season out 100%. And I will guess he goes to the FO and asks to be traded to the Knicks, in the off-season or at the deadline of the ‘24-‘25 season. We will recoup all our picks, and get some good young players.

This will allow a long Mobley extension. Unless its done by then.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 04:58 PM
Looks like Allen and Garland are both gonna miss the opener tonight. Mitchell goes for 50 tonight
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 05:37 PM
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 05:49 PM
Thats good to hear.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 06:42 PM
j/c...

Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 07:44 PM
Mitchell can get more money by waiting than by signing an extension now.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Anyone concerned Mitchell doesn't want to be in Cleveland?

Not sure if they are rumors or insinuations.

Seems like a bit of a cloud hanging over the teams heads going into the season.

we can offer him more, as long as we still have a good team I think the chances are high. He's very active in cleveland. Its like all the talk with lebron being here that he 100% was going to the knicks when his contract was up, no... this contract for sure...goes to miami, oh he's just giving NY time to build a team...goes back to the cavs then LA.. talking heads think MSG is the only place stars want to go play when the reality of it is NYC is a horrible city with an even worse fan base. Its not the draw it was.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Anyone concerned Mitchell doesn't want to be in Cleveland?

Not sure if they are rumors or insinuations.

Seems like a bit of a cloud hanging over the teams heads going into the season.

we can offer him more, as long as we still have a good team I think the chances are high. He's very active in cleveland. Its like all the talk with lebron being here that he 100% was going to the knicks when his contract was up, no... this contract for sure...goes to miami, oh he's just giving NY time to build a team...goes back to the cavs then LA.. talking heads think MSG is the only place stars want to go play when the reality of it is NYC is a horrible city with an even worse fan base. Its not the draw it was.

Yeah, I think the Donovan Mitchell "doesn't want to be here" vibe is media driven. Seems like they are trying to will him to NYC. I certainly do not get that vibe from fans locally.

I think Cavs fans understand he could possibly leave, but everyone seems to just be enjoying the ride and are really excited about the team this season.

We'll see if he signs the max contract if the offseason, not something to be concerned with now, however.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 10:15 PM
Cav's still on Bally... guess I won't see many games this season.

Anybody know the best way to stream the Cavs radio broadcast on a smart device?
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 11:02 PM
Only way I know to stream on a smart device would be through SiriusXM. FanDuel has a deal where if you place a $5 bet on any NBA game you get NBA League Pass free for 3 mos.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 11:46 PM
SiriusXM doesn't work (I have an account). My Logitech Squeezebox says access forbidden. Can't even listen to the damned radio since I'm out of the area.

Oh well, looks like I'll be a passive fan again this year. Not paying another $20 per month for streaming service #17.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/25/23 11:49 PM
Try tuning in to 1100am if you have a traditional radio. Once the sun goes down in can be heard in multiple states. I could tune in when I was in Tennessee once the sun went down.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 12:02 AM
Downloaded the radio.net app and tuned it in. Endless buffer on my laptop but started right up on my phone. I'll shoot that to my Squeezebox and I'm golden.

Thanks!
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 12:27 AM
BTW... I went to my car to check the airwaves and WTAM was surprisingly clear here in Fort Wayne!
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 01:32 AM
gotta finish this quarter strong
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
BTW... I went to my car to check the airwaves and WTAM was surprisingly clear here in Fort Wayne!
WTAM is crazy at night sometimes ... you can get it WAY further than you think
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 01:33 AM
Looks just like last year, I hate JB as a coach. His “offense” is trash and his rotations don’t make sense. Been the same since he’s been here. This team goes as the individual efforts go. Its first game and I usually don’t watch first 10 until things get settled but I wanted to see the new guys, looks like we signed two osmans instead of the one we had. Paint wide open as Mobley still can’t play the 5. We miss Allen big time. If garland and Mitchell aren’t going off the team just can’t do anything. Frustrating watching them so far against a very meh Nets team
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 02:12 AM
Spida brings the pain in a come from behind thriller!

114-113 good guys.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 02:17 AM
j/c...

Great finish to the game. Max Strus with an outstanding debut hitting seven 3's and grabbing 12 rebounds.

Cavs plan for this season was to shoot 40+ threes per game. Tonight they shot 43 hitting at nearly a 40% rate.

Garland and Mitchell had 11 steals between them.

Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 12:42 PM
Strus had quite a debut!
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/26/23 02:18 PM
Strus is going to be good for us. Defense is still an issue for him. Garland and Mitchell are still probably the best backcourt in the NBA imo, Our offense is still bad, its all individual effort plays, proof of that is our bench play.. Lavert had 11 and the rest of the bench had 4 points.. compare that to Nets. Theirs is more sustainable. I believe a big part of last years flop in playoffs was mitchell/garland were worn out by the time we got there. Have to have better balance and confidence the bench can get you through games. Last year both Garland and Mitchell were above 35 min a game, first game this season both up there again. Not sure what the plan with Bates is but its pretty odd your first pick of the draft isn't playing. Especially considering he's been good all summer and preseason. Add in how bad the bench play was, I would have gave Niangs minutes to him when it was clear Niang wasn't doing anything. I am going to be curious is Isaiah Mobley and TT get minutes. If they can't get minutes over Damian Jones, then they probably don't need to be here because Jones looks rough out there on both ends but particularly Defense.. His defense is what let them in the game after we pulled ahead in the first half. We really miss Allen, he at the 5 and mobley at the 4 really make that defense run
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/27/23 03:55 AM
j/c...

Kevin Harlan is the best...

Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/27/23 01:08 PM
I love Kevin Harlan
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/28/23 02:17 AM
This is not a good team. You have Mitchell and then no one. The perimeter defense is still historically bad and it cost them again tonight . Strus and Niang altman must have been drunk. We don’t have much talent on this team outside of Mitchell garland and Mobley. Again nothing from bench and JB refuses to go deeper on the bench to find scoring options . Your first pick of the draft with two straight dnp. Last two games have been depressing after high hopes. This is a 40 win team as it sits. We have to defend better and we have to find some scoring options off the bench. JB with more bad substitutions down the stretch taking lavert off the floor who was shutting down Alexander and was the only other scorer tonight and OKC came right back and ended it down by 10 when lavert went out.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/28/23 02:25 AM
OKC has some offensive PLAYERS ... really impressive team to watch
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/28/23 02:36 AM
Allen was out, and Garland was out. We lost by 3. Yep, time to blow it all up. rolleyes
Posted By: jfanent Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/28/23 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
This is not a good team. You have Mitchell and then no one. The perimeter defense is still historically bad and it cost them again tonight . Strus and Niang altman must have been drunk. We don’t have much talent on this team outside of Mitchell garland and Mobley. Again nothing from bench and JB refuses to go deeper on the bench to find scoring options . Your first pick of the draft with two straight dnp. Last two games have been depressing after high hopes. This is a 40 win team as it sits. We have to defend better and we have to find some scoring options off the bench. JB with more bad substitutions down the stretch taking lavert off the floor who was shutting down Alexander and was the only other scorer tonight and OKC came right back and ended it down by 10 when lavert went out.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-.../in-depth/positive-thinking/art-20043950
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/28/23 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
This is not a good team. You have Mitchell and then no one. The perimeter defense is still historically bad and it cost them again tonight . Strus and Niang altman must have been drunk. We don’t have much talent on this team outside of Mitchell garland and Mobley. Again nothing from bench and JB refuses to go deeper on the bench to find scoring options . Your first pick of the draft with two straight dnp. Last two games have been depressing after high hopes. This is a 40 win team as it sits. We have to defend better and we have to find some scoring options off the bench. JB with more bad substitutions down the stretch taking lavert off the floor who was shutting down Alexander and was the only other scorer tonight and OKC came right back and ended it down by 10 when lavert went out.

I wouldn't go this far, but there are two glaring issues with the Cavs. The first is JB. This team needs a hard nosed coach, not a babysitter.

The second is Mobley. We have been waiting three years for this mythical leap forward. He is literally the same player two seasons ago as he is now. No improvement at all. I think this "Giannis ceiling" ship has sailed. You have what you have. He's a third option on a contending team. It's very disappointing to see unfold. It's basically Mitchell and everyone else. He's going to get worn out.

As for OKC, all I keep reading and hearing is how up and coming they are. I'm just never impressed when I watch them. I know SGA has the numbers, but he has to work so hard to get shots up. I just don't see them growing into real contenders.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 10/30/23 12:22 AM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by leadtheway
This is not a good team. You have Mitchell and then no one. The perimeter defense is still historically bad and it cost them again tonight . Strus and Niang altman must have been drunk. We don’t have much talent on this team outside of Mitchell garland and Mobley. Again nothing from bench and JB refuses to go deeper on the bench to find scoring options . Your first pick of the draft with two straight dnp. Last two games have been depressing after high hopes. This is a 40 win team as it sits. We have to defend better and we have to find some scoring options off the bench. JB with more bad substitutions down the stretch taking lavert off the floor who was shutting down Alexander and was the only other scorer tonight and OKC came right back and ended it down by 10 when lavert went out.

I wouldn't go this far, but there are two glaring issues with the Cavs. The first is JB. This team needs a hard nosed coach, not a babysitter.

The second is Mobley. We have been waiting three years for this mythical leap forward. He is literally the same player two seasons ago as he is now. No improvement at all. I think this "Giannis ceiling" ship has sailed. You have what you have. He's a third option on a contending team. It's very disappointing to see unfold. It's basically Mitchell and everyone else. He's going to get worn out.

As for OKC, all I keep reading and hearing is how up and coming they are. I'm just never impressed when I watch them. I know SGA has the numbers, but he has to work so hard to get shots up. I just don't see them growing into real contenders.

I’m tracking with you on both accounts. If JB’s dad wasn’t Bernie he’d be working at footlocker. This team is soft. And Mobley is meh, I’d move him or garland to get some help. Garland is good but hurt constantly. Altman basically replaced osman with two osman in strus and niang. I’m sure we will go on enough of a run to just be disappointed in the playoffs again. I’m hoping JB is on a short leash. The windows in nba are a lot smaller
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 01:11 AM
Wow. Cavs are a hot mess.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 01:14 AM
They suck. There’s not a single thing special about them. Altman and JB need to go. Okoro is a bust, Mobley should be a lot better than he is, garland is a pansy and needs to be traded for someone that actually plays. Then you have waste of roster space like wade, TT, niang. JB is below 500 as a coach. It’s time to move on.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 01:23 AM
If I was Mitchell I wouldn't want to stay. You were promised a guy with a Giannis like ceiling and Mobley is just so average. Non aggressive. Doesn't look for the ball. They run no offense for him. Probably because he has no offense. Not a single offensive move. Literally no improvement since year one. That's crazy. The Cavs are held to a participation trophy standard and it shows.

If I was Mitchell I would run away from this as fast as I could.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 01:31 AM
Yeah I always say Mobley is 7’ but plays like he’s 5 ft. Dude is soft. Makes Daugherty look like shaq
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 01:45 AM
JB with a lot of nerve pulling Mobley early. Rewarded him for poor play.

I would have made him finish the game.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/01/23 02:06 AM
Knicks have really outplayed the Cavs in the past 6 games ... the physicality wears them down
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/02/23 12:32 AM
Mobley laying another egg tonight.

He's afraid of Robinson and Hartenstein.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/02/23 01:02 PM
Needed that win last night
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/02/23 02:19 PM
The win was good. The team needs to get better and tougher in a hurry though.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/02/23 02:29 PM
We need to get healthy.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/03/23 10:50 PM


First night of the in-season tournament, all 5 of our starters are playing. Let’s GO Cavs
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 12:03 AM
Curb stomped. Typical JB /altman team. This team has zero heart or hustle. You have Mitchell and a bunch of jags. Soft is the best way to describe this team. The sooner they realize this isn’t the staff the better. But it will probably be too late to keep Mitchell
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 12:42 AM
Mitchell once again willing them back into the game. Dude should be in very serious discussions as MVP, this is. A 30 win team without him
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 12:44 AM
Side note, easily the ugliest court I’ve ever seen in my life
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 12:47 AM
They showed some old clips of big Z. Man before all his foot troubles dude was a beast. He had it all and at 7’
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Curb stomped. Typical JB /altman team. This team has zero heart or hustle. You have Mitchell and a bunch of jags. Soft is the best way to describe this team. The sooner they realize this isn’t the staff the better. But it will probably be too late to keep Mitchell

In watching the game last night I couldn't help but think of all the talent we have on both the Browns and Cavs but how we are below average at head coach and how that's holding both teams back. Indy is a collection of jags...don't care about Haliburton...no team is winning anything with him...but they have a great coach. The Cavs have a legit superstar, and two top three picks, and it looked like we would lose 8 out of 10 to Indy if we played 10 straight. Indy moves, hustles, plays with grit and toughness...the Cavs struggle to even get a good look at the basket. And why were we signing Strus/Niang when Bruce Brown was out there?

It's very tough to watch, especially with a legit superstar on the team...who will likely not want to be on the team after this year.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 03:09 PM
gosh the courts last night were unbearable! I couldn't watch the games
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/04/23 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Curb stomped. Typical JB /altman team. This team has zero heart or hustle. You have Mitchell and a bunch of jags. Soft is the best way to describe this team. The sooner they realize this isn’t the staff the better. But it will probably be too late to keep Mitchell

In watching the game last night I couldn't help but think of all the talent we have on both the Browns and Cavs but how we are below average at head coach and how that's holding both teams back. Indy is a collection of jags...don't care about Haliburton...no team is winning anything with him...but they have a great coach. The Cavs have a legit superstar, and two top three picks, and it looked like we would lose 8 out of 10 to Indy if we played 10 straight. Indy moves, hustles, plays with grit and toughness...the Cavs struggle to even get a good look at the basket. And why were we signing Strus/Niang when Bruce Brown was out there?

It's very tough to watch, especially with a legit superstar on the team...who will likely not want to be on the team after this year.

yep, spot on. JB is a horrible coach, he has zero clue how to run a motion offense. The defense on the perimter is record breaking bad, the amount of 3's teams make against us and the percentage at what they do is just not conducive to winning, No team is ever out of it against us and we are never far enough ahead to be comfortable. Niang, strus, and TT were stupid signings and didn't help us at all. This is 2007 all over again, except Mitchell is playing the role of lebron and we have like 13 Sasha Pavlovics and Ira Newbles
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 03:16 AM
Cavs with their best effort of the season. Bench is still a concern. Anytime we can beat the crybaby warriors is a good win. Watson and Garrett were at the game
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 03:26 AM
Garrett became a minority stake owner of the Cavs. Maybe Watson wants to see what thats like since he has a spare 230M.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 03:31 AM
Browns and Cavs win on the same day .. a Cleveland rarity
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 12:42 PM
j/c…

Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 12:47 PM
Cavs actually played with some fire yesterday, like they wanted to win.

I still don't understand JBs rotations. If it were me, I wouldn't have it where Garland or Mitchell have to be on the floor at all times. Let the second unit sink or swim on their own. I think it messes up the flow of the starting five. I also wouldn't give Wade any minutes. Guy is so timid. His only attribute is 3 pointers and he loves to pass them up for no reason.

I didn't really care for the Niang signing as every time I watched him in Philly he never looked good. But guy has heart. Hustles on defense and listening to interviews with him sounds like a leader. The problem is the Cavs might be the most unathletic team in the league and he's really unathletic. But I do think he's an upgrade over Cedi. Cedi just didn't seem to have a very high basketball IQ.

Hopefully this is the trigger to go on a bit of a winning streak.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 12:48 PM
Who was that with Myles?
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/06/23 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Who was that with Myles?
I was thinking the same thing
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/07/23 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Who was that with Myles?

I believe it is his Dad.

Deshaun Watson was there at the game with him as well. Was sitting on other side of thhe hoop.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/07/23 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Who was that with Myles?

I believe it is his Dad.

Deshaun Watson was there at the game with him as well. Was sitting on other side of thhe hoop.

it was.. He and his dad are close, they go everywhere together.. When I met him his rookie year at the airport(same shuttle then same elevator) his dad was with him.. Doesn't go anywhere without him or his guitar
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/09/23 02:15 AM
Another Cavs game and another game with us getting out played, out hustled, and out coached. Microcosm of JB tenure as a coach.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/09/23 05:32 PM
I really like DG, but he is almost unplayable in the last 6:00 of a game. Really bad turnovers, that hurts alot.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/09/23 05:56 PM
Garland is a guy I would trade for an upgrade at a wing position.. Hes a decent player along side a superstar, but he can't carry the load himself. Lavert should be the starting 2 next to DM, move garland to the 6 man PG off the bench and lead that group. Bench is just bad, when the bench comes in everything just screeches to a halt.
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/09/23 08:09 PM
I totally agree with that
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/09/23 11:11 PM
The biggest issue with Cavs besides JB is that Mobley is still the same player he was as a rookie. Zero improvement. And he is incredibly un-physical.

Going to be a long disappointing season if that doesn't change.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/10/23 01:13 PM
I think we were hoping Mobley would become more NBA-ish athletically ... and he hasn't. He's really a detriment and can't play position-less
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 02:12 AM
Why does Wade get any minutes?
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 02:23 AM
I don't understand JB's rotations at all.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 04:20 AM
I’ve been saying that for 3 years lol. Lavert is the second best player on this team. He’s a difference maker
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 04:36 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
I’ve been saying that for 3 years lol. Lavert is the second best player on this team. He’s a difference maker

I agree with this.

Part of that is he and Mitchell are the only ones not afraid of the moment.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 06:00 AM
Green is such a douche, easily my least favorite player of all time
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Green is such a douche, easily my least favorite player of all time

He would be a nobody if he didn't play for the Warriors. Literally zero skill. He's got hustle and heart but that would have only gotten him so far on any other team. And yes, he acts like a moron. I think he got thrown out tonight on a really odd review simply because the refs had enough of him. He was in their faces all night.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by leadtheway
Green is such a douche, easily my least favorite player of all time

He would be a nobody if he didn't play for the Warriors. Literally zero skill. He's got hustle and heart but that would have only gotten him so far on any other team. And yes, he acts like a moron. I think he got thrown out tonight on a really odd review simply because the refs had enough of him. He was in their faces all night.

I didn't see the game, but this shows it pays to play nice with the people who can throw you out of a game. If he is the sandpaper and he thinks the refs are the block of wood, the refs won't need much to him to get the hell off "their" court.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 01:51 PM
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/12/23 03:19 PM
Draymond is really easy to root against (obviously)
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:14 AM
Another bad effort tonight. We have two seven footers and we constantly get out scored in the paint. That tells me we need new bigs
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:43 AM
Strus is straight trash. His dude has hit 4 threes so far on him.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:49 AM
It's really interesting. The Cavs beat the Warriors twice because the Warriors are an unathletic, non-physical, half court team, just like the Cavs. So it was a nice match up.

The issue is 80% of the NBA teams are long, athletic, physical, positionless teams, not unathletic, non-physcial teams. So what do the Cavs do? Their two big free agent signings are try hard, unathletic, low skill guys who have to count on Mitchell and Garland to get them looks, just requiring them to work even harder.

Add in some really bizarre rotations (he gives Garland and Mitchell as few minutes together as possible) and no identity at all on offense and it would not surprise me at all if the Cavs barely make the play in. I actually am regretting paying for the league pass. Can you imagine what's going to happen when they play Boston, Milwaukee, Philly?
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:55 AM
God this team sucks, garland is a liability. It’s time to fire JB , dude can’t coach a rec league. Stomped by a bad Kings team. Strus and niang were horrible additions
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:56 AM
I didn't realize how much better Fox is than Garland.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 04:59 AM
Graland looks like he has a leg injury that if taking awya his ability to get lift on his shots.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/14/23 05:10 AM
Can’t defend paint can’t defend perimeter. Offense is the same two sets over and over. This team is getting outcoached every game. This one courtesy of Mike Brown
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/15/23 06:01 PM
Oh look Garland out again. Cavs need to do what they can to move him this year, Get Mitchell some reliable help. Garland is just a liability anymore.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/16/23 03:01 AM
Game in Portland tonight .. Cavs *should win
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/16/23 04:58 PM
let a team that is clearly tanking stay in the game all the way until midway of the 4th until Mitchell finally said enough is enough, if you clowns aren't going to hit anything, I'll close it. Portland needs a PG desperately.. If I'm altman, trade them Garland for Grant. solves two problems, the backlog at PG and the need for a good wing player. throw in Wade Niang and strus too.. God those 3 absolutely suck What horrible moves by Altman. beyond barely scoring, their defense and turnovers are just not sustainable and won't be to make any kind of run, its like Mitchell and levert and thats it, and they both are running on a treadmill on a 15 incline every game because of the supporting cast. They won last night but they should have with a team like portland trading everything away and are in rebuild. I will say strus tried to do more than shoot the 3 because that wasn't working at all for him, but the rest, and Allen got bullied inside all game. If you have 2 bigs that are supposed to defend the paint, why are you playing inside out defense, thats like 1980's coaching. You have the investment in bigs to be able to defend the paint so you can put pressure on the perimeter and close out.. we aren't doing that and we get torched . We have two sets, high Iso and High screen.. thats it.. they run it over and over and only thing we do is switch sides...Mitchel, Mobley and levert had to play 35 minutes to beat a 20 win team.. thats not good. We only went 8 deep, this early in the season you should be running 10 deep. Just alot still wrong with this team and it starts with JB/Altman
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/16/23 05:24 PM
I didn't get to watch the game last night. Was glad they won.

But I think this team has big issues.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/20/23 01:08 AM
Cavs looking good tonight on both ends, one thing I want to reiterate. George Niang really sucks. We have his replacement t already on the team . Porter jr has been ballin
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/20/23 01:45 AM
love to see Garrett there getting another ovation
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/22/23 03:28 AM
Cavaliers with a big win over the Sixers, and without Mitchell, Okoro, and LeVert.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/22/23 03:54 AM
Four wins in a row and five of the last six. Two big wins in a row.

Noticeably, moving the ball more the last four games.

Craig Porter Jr. has been an incredible surprise. Hopefully, sustainable.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/22/23 04:45 AM
I am in shock honestly.
Posted By: FATE Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/22/23 04:51 AM
Finally got to watch a game in the Wayne. They picked a good one for me. thumbsup
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/22/23 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Finally got to watch a game in the Wayne. They picked a good one for me. thumbsup

It was on here in Nooga. I didn't watch the whole game, but they didn't look as bad and what people were claiming when reading the board.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/26/23 02:55 AM
Garland needs to be traded, guy has a turnover problem and cant stay healthy, move levert to the 2, let Porter Jr be the 6 man. The whole team folded in the second half. Lakers showed how to beat these cupcakes.. get in thier faces on defense. They usually only have 1 person on the floor at a time that is comfortable with the ball. I really can't stand the new additions.. Not sure how many times Niang wanted to be dunked on before he started boxing out and establishing position. We are always 2 steps slow on the rotation and teams just bury us. I see a 30 win team.. they need to get a coach in here that isn't an idiot.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/26/23 02:59 AM
Due to life, I missed the four game win streak. I caught the tail end of the Miami game and most of tonight's game.

I stand by my prediction that the Cavs will be playing in the play in tournament. If Mitchell can't be superman, and he couldn't tonight, they have no shot. Garland hurt again tonight with a neck strain. You read that right...he left the game with a neck strain.

Strus and Niang are try hard guys who are inconsistent scorers...exactly what the Cavs didn't need.

This is a team that is really hard to root for.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/26/23 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
they need to get a coach in here that isn't an idiot.

Windhorst reported Gilbert is starting to be much more engaged...the speculation is JB might be on the hot seat.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/26/23 11:23 PM
He needs to be. He does so many dumb things that you can’t get away with at this level and relies on Mitchell to unbury him
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 01:01 AM
The Cavs really struggle to score.

When I predicted they would be in the play in, I should have clarified I meant the 9 or 10 seed.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 01:30 AM
Getting stomped again tonight, we’ve regressed long way from last year. I don’t trust Altman or JB to get it done
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by leadtheway
we’ve regressed long way from last year.

This is the most disappointing thing.

I see no growth from Mobley, Garland, Allen, Okoro, or JB.

I listen to JB in pressers, and I just walk away shaking my head. Sounds very non-coachlike.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 01:35 AM
I said before if his dad wasn’t an nba HC he’d be selling shoes at footlocker or coaching his sons ymca team. I haven’t see anything that changes my mind.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 03:27 AM
Nice win tonight on a back-to-back. Especially, on a night where Mitchell shot the ball horrendously.

Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 03:45 AM
The Cavs are a tough watch. They really struggle to score. Strus got hot, but that will only happen for a handful of games over an entire season. It's not something that can be depended on. The Cavs actually have nothing to hang their hats on. Struggle to score, struggle to defend, no real identity on either side of the ball. It's going to be a long season.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 03:49 AM
Yep that’s the problem. We don’t have an identity except we play two tall guys at the same time lol. The stat yhat concerns me is we took 6 FT, For the game , while Toronto took 30. That means we aren’t attacking and we are living and dying by the 3 ball. In another head scratcher , guys like okoro and Niang getting minutes and a guy like porter jr gets. Coaches dnp. JB wouldn’t know a spark player if it hit him in the junk
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 03:54 AM
I kept thinking the whole game is what would happen if we exchanged Allen for Poeltl? That's the type of player the Cavs need down low alongside Mobely.

Yeah, Porter not getting any minutes doesn't make a lot sense.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 04:10 AM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Cavs are a tough watch. They really struggle to score. Strus got hot, but that will only happen for a handful of games over an entire season. It's not something that can be depended on. The Cavs actually have nothing to hang their hats on. Struggle to score, struggle to defend, no real identity on either side of the ball. It's going to be a long season.

Eh, it's tough for me to have any real angst this early in an NBA season. Most know by now the NBA regular season is generally meaningless.

Cavs will be a top six seed and make the playoffs. It's what they do once the playoffs begin that matters.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 04:20 AM
I thought that bringing back TT was a mistake, but he is really contributing.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 04:34 AM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Cavs are a tough watch. They really struggle to score. Strus got hot, but that will only happen for a handful of games over an entire season. It's not something that can be depended on. The Cavs actually have nothing to hang their hats on. Struggle to score, struggle to defend, no real identity on either side of the ball. It's going to be a long season.

Eh, it's tough for me to have any real angst this early in an NBA season. Most know by now the NBA regular season is generally meaningless.

Cavs will be a top six seed and make the playoffs. It's what they do once the playoffs begin that matters.

Dinner bet!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 06:12 AM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Cavs are a tough watch. They really struggle to score. Strus got hot, but that will only happen for a handful of games over an entire season. It's not something that can be depended on. The Cavs actually have nothing to hang their hats on. Struggle to score, struggle to defend, no real identity on either side of the ball. It's going to be a long season.

Eh, it's tough for me to have any real angst this early in an NBA season. Most know by now the NBA regular season is generally meaningless.

Cavs will be a top six seed and make the playoffs. It's what they do once the playoffs begin that matters.

Dinner bet!

Deal! And when I win, if you try to push In and Out with the secret menu it does not count a meal. I have a discerning palette. laugh

Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 11:34 AM
Yeah, but In and Out is basically five star dining at one star dining prices. You just need someone to help you order. Lol
Posted By: Frenchy Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Yeah, Porter not getting any minutes doesn't make a lot sense.

Since he is on a 2-way contract, he has a max number of games he can play, like 53 or so. Lots of talk last Friday about getting him signed to a NBA contract and parting ways with Rubio, Jerome, or Wade.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 08:27 PM
Did not know that.

Thanks.
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/27/23 10:07 PM
yeah they can sign him any time... he was just getting into a groove. No way he should be giving up minutes to some of the scrubs we are running out there. Rubio/jerome/wade all can go and we wouldn't even know
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/29/23 03:57 AM
The quest for the NBA Cup comes to an end. However, it was enjoyable to watch a young Evan Mobley have a night statistically comparable to former Cavalier legend, Shaquille O'Neal.

Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/29/23 06:10 AM
Great finish to the GSW vs SAC game. De'Aaron Fox is so good and Sabonis is a near triple-double each night. A poor man's Jokic.

Malik Monk had a big game off the bench.

Would love to see a Pacers vs Kings match-up in the NBA Cup. Haliburton has been playing out of his mind.

These are two fun teams that do not get much national attention.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Cavs/NBA - 11/29/23 07:18 PM
j/c

Mark Cuban to sell stake in Mavericks franchise to Miriam Adelson for $3.5 Billion

Miriam Adelson is the widow of the late Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/m...-miriam-adelson-for-3-5-billion/3398597/
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Cavs/NBA - 12/01/23 02:19 AM
Cavs need to make a move already and get rid of JB. Garland needs to go too. He is not a good player. He is the Cavs version of pj walker. 9 turnovers tonight. . I mean they just got beat by the lowly blazers who are playing for the lottery
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Cavs/NBA - 12/01/23 06:16 AM
The Cavs are a 8-9-10 seed team.

The fans booed the team tonight.

It is what it is.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Cavs/NBA - 12/01/23 06:46 AM
The Bucks lost to the Bulls tonight. Can't wait to take one bite of In and Out Burger and throw it away. tongue

Cavs were not putting any effort in this game after the in-season tournament.

Make us reservations at L'Altier or Picasso! Tasting menu, obviously. smile
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