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Posted By: bonefish George Pickens - 03/08/22 02:32 PM
George Pickens looks like a really good prospects to me.



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Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 02:58 PM
Amazing ! And possibly available at the top of the 2nd round. Highlight reels are sometimes a little deceiving - but no denying his hands, both catching and using them to free himself at the line - his athleticism and his seeming love of the game/competition.

Be interesting to see some breakdown when he was going up against some of the top CB's he faced. But - yes, he looks like a prospect alright! LOL
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 03:06 PM
I always enjoyed the work of his great grandpa, Slim.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 03:23 PM
He has mad ball skills.

I love guys who fight for the ball and have that body control to get into a position to catch it.

The blocks he was throwing will get him praise from receiver coaches.

He would be a great grab in the second if say they went pass rusher in the first.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 03:28 PM
Yeah - the two or 3 run blocks where he sat his opposite number on their ass was fun to see. No idea if he can do that in the NFL but great to see.
Thanks for posting.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 03:40 PM
Highlights videos are what they are, but one thing I noticed is how the cutup wasn't just a bunch of homerun plays. Lots and lots of short-medium routes and success on those. IMO, we should be able to find room for that on this team.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 04:06 PM
He might be a good buy low option after missing most of last season after the spring injury. The talent looks like it's there, but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look. The current regime seems to have focused more on guys who are about the work and have avoided/parted ways with the "look at me!" types. Interviews will most likely determine if he's on our board.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 05:38 PM
He has true grit.

I like players who play with fire. He fights for the ball. He tries to make extra yards.

He blocks with intent.

He will be a baller in the NFL. Have no idea where he will be selected. Probably second round.

If he had played all year. My guess is he would be a first rounder.

He has size, speed, quickness. His competitiveness stands out. He has that natural ability to control his body position to make the catch.

That is what Garrett Wilson has.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
... but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look.

The waterbottle spray was a terrible look, but I see all the shenanigans in the video in the same way I see Landry doing same/similar during games.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 05:45 PM
I nearly went deeper into the antics - instead I left it at the comment that he clearly loves to play and compete .... What I thought about writing - and what I think on Pickens - it comes down to his interview and how you view him mentally. Is he a hot head that will cost you penalties with his over exuberance ... or is he just like Bone said, gritty and feisty but in control?

I hate prima donnas ... but I don't leap to the automatic conclusion that this is what Pickens is or would become. 2 cents.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 06:24 PM
Some of that ages.

Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
... but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look.

The waterbottle spray was a terrible look, but I see all the shenanigans in the video in the same way I see Landry doing same/similar during games.

Will definitely be an is the "Juice" worth the squeeze type of off-season it seems.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 06:52 PM
So you think spraying the opponents with a water bottle is some measure of "fire"?
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 07:00 PM
He was cooling the guy off. It is college.

Unless there is other garbage that disqualifies him. I let it go.

I just watch tape. I don't get to interview. I like his tape.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
He was cooling the guy off. It is college.

Well of course he was.

How about we meet in the middle and compromise on something that makes a little more sense? It was a foolish thing to do but if it's an isolated incident and his interviews go well we won't consider it a pattern of bad behavior. Does that sound fair?

Or should we pretend that this is normal and keep making excuses for bad behavior?
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 08:10 PM
Actually I didn't see it.

I never saw that part.

But sure. I don't condone bad behavior.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/08/22 11:47 PM
I know it is a highlight reel.

But damn those are some highlight catches. He made some great plays.

He is unafraid to throw his body around that is for sure.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 12:49 AM
Well, at least in the highlights, he fights like hell to make the catches. But what I didn't see a lot of was separation. Yet, he looks like he might make a great possession receiver.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 11:49 AM
He put some moves on in that tape.

I saw plays where he turned guys around.

Honestly I don't see much that he didn't do to show he is legit. He will be drafted in the second round. And I believe he will do well in the NFL.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 01:03 PM
I agree. He is way more than a possession receiver.

Speed: check
Twitch: check
Body control: check
Hands: check
Routes: check
Level of competition: check

What's not to like? In the end he has as good a chance as any to be the best receiver in the draft.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 01:12 PM
And to add a somewhat different thought to this discussion. We have to be honest about the type of receiver we use and how we use them. I am not sure having a top receiver is going to pay dividends the way some want. We saw a marked difference between the OBJ here and the OBJ elsewhere.

I am not saying what we do is wrong. I am simply saying what we do might not be geared towards the wide receiver position. We are more of a running back and tight end geared O. Unless that changes, I don't think a 'thoroughbred" receiver is ever going to look like one. Secretariat would have been a miserable quarter horse.
Posted By: eotab Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 01:14 PM
Yeah I didn't like some of his actions especially the last part where he is making an action like he was peeing on his opponent using the water bottle...but after a while I remembered how I forgave Baker in some of his actions in the heat of competition and If I could forgive him I forgive this kid. 2nd round is a good investment if we go D in the first round.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 01:27 PM
The water thing is bad behavior. It will pass. College days. Mixon with the Bengals punched a women in the face. Causing serious damage.

The water thing is pretty mild by comparison to some of the stuff that happens.

I am going by what I see as far as talent. He has talent. Some of those catches were off the chain.

If we go pass rusher at 13. He is in play in the second.

Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 03:12 PM
That's why I brought up Jarvis Landry. Relatively speaking, he's an old man, and he still pushes the line in games. There's a line between being a dummy and keeping that internal fire under control. I'm fine working with the latter, and I honestly think our team could even use more of that fire (yes, at the risk of picking up some extra penalties).
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 03/09/22 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
The water thing is bad behavior. It will pass. College days. Mixon with the Bengals punched a women in the face. Causing serious damage.

The water thing is pretty mild by comparison to some of the stuff that happens.

I am going by what I see as far as talent. He has talent. Some of those catches were off the chain.

If we go pass rusher at 13. He is in play in the second.


For some guys, it passes. For others, it doesn't. (See Josh Gordon, Manziel, etc.) I'm not saying he'll be one or the other, but it's something we should vet. If it checks out, and he's otherwise a fit for the program and culture, great.

Chubb and LeCounte probably have some insight.

After the OBJ experience, I've just decided that talent isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to WRs. So, my concerns might be more a reflection of that mess than Pickens in particular.

Gotta be the right fit is all.
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: George Pickens - 03/26/22 09:17 PM
this is who i want.. uga bias.. but dude is a good WR
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/26/22 10:56 PM
If he had played a full season. He would be a first round pick.

All I see when I watch him is a really good receiver.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: George Pickens - 03/26/22 11:29 PM
I wish the Browns would sign a 33+ year old Golden Tate and hope he is Uninjured enough, and healthy enough, and youthful enough to be a real difference maker. thumbsup But it's just wishful thinking.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 03/27/22 11:40 AM
If we are targeting a WR in the draft there are 3 outstanding WR's that might be available top of round 2 ... Skyy Moore, Pickens and Christian Watson. . . . ESPN just did a piece claiming Moore might be the single most under rated player in the draft. Picken looks every bit a first round talent and Watson is a Drake London type that went to a small school
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/27/22 12:17 PM
All three look like NFL starters right away.

The type of guys that in their first year will have an impact and contribute to a team.

I would be happy to have any of those guys.

Pick 44 I expect we will get a damn good player. I am waiting for the dominoes to fall in free agency.

If Jarvis is looking for $20. He will not get that from the Browns unless it is for two years.

Clowney is looking for as much as he can get. I don't hold that against him. However, his market will be defined. He nows Cleveland. He benefitted by having Myles on the other side. He had a good solid year and seemed to get along inside the team.

I like our chances signing him.

If that goes down and we don't sign another free agent receiver. Pickens, Moore, and Watson are all in play.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 03/27/22 01:26 PM
j/c:

I like Skyy Moore as a slot receiver if he is available. I think he is a little faster than his scouting report claims, but what I really love about him is his toughness in traffic and the strength he has in his hands.
Posted By: Hammer Re: George Pickens - 03/27/22 05:02 PM
Moore, Watson, Pickens, Dotson (maybe). I believe one of these will be available at #44.

If Browns go WR with that pick, any of these 4 would ideal IMO.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: George Pickens - 03/28/22 08:33 AM
Without 1st rounders for the next 3 years, it is paramount we hit on our 2nd and 3rd rounders. The 1st round pick is almost a gimme pick unless a team is forced to reach for some reason of need. At least to me 2nd and 3r rounders usually turn in to good players because teams tend to go brick and mortar type players and tend to use BPA as the basis of those picks.

I hope we don't start to use the typical the 1st round template with those picks the next few years and don't reach for some need. I am not saying some of the guys you mentioned wouldn't possibly fit the BPA mold. I am just saying that it is very important we bring in solid players because roster attrition is going to continue, and you don't always know where on the roster it is going to hit in a year or two.

You can control free agency to a large degree. You can't control which players in the draft are going to come your way. It is what it is once you are on the clock.

Thus far the Browns seem to be pretty good at slotting players. Both in free agent value and college player slotting. I hope that continues and we have a good idea who might be available in what round and we stay somewhat trusting in our scouting process and make our picks in accordance with that scouting and evaluation. If not, why even bother?

Just me speaking, but I would be looking for players with a higher floor over guys with a higher ceiling. No doubt we need to balance that some, but getting solid players is very important so in a few years we don't end up with needs all over the team.

To go with your WR thought, 2 receivers I really like are Skyy Moore and Wandale Robinson.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 03/28/22 11:08 AM
I agree.

This is where I trust Berry. You can not expect to hit on every pick, but Berry seems to apply good logic in his choices.

Because of cap balancing in the future it becomes imperitive to find guys who can replace players you can no longer afford.

I think Ward is a terrific corner. Drafting Newsome was so important. Finding another corner could become important because Ward may not be affordable.
Posted By: tru_dawgs Re: George Pickens - 03/28/22 04:05 PM
JC...I like Pickens a lot as well, not just the UGA connection...But he reminds me a lot of AJ Green.

One very late sleeper I like is SMU WR Reggie Roberson...he will go late in the draft, as he's rather old (24) has injury concerns (still recovering) and tested rather poor (only a 29 inch vert...ouch) But his tape really pops out to you, and on tape he looked like a 4.35 guy prior to his knee injury.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 03/29/22 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by bonefish
If he had played a full season. He would be a first round pick.

All I see when I watch him is a really good receiver.


Yes, and I think that he should be a first round selection, regardless of that fact.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/07/22 02:21 PM
Some recent mock drafts have Pickens going to the Browns.

IMO it would be a steal. A lot will depend on how the Browns address the DL in free agency. Or, if we resign Jarvis. Now there is speculation on Brandon Cooks and Will Fuller.

So, before the draft maybe there are still answers in trades or free agency.

I am not worried there will a good player available at #44. There are a bunch of guys I would be happy with:

Ebiketie, Christian Watson, Skyy Moore, Pickens, Travis Jones, Perrion Winfrey, Logan Hall.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/09/22 12:24 PM
Pickens 10 yard split is the same as Tyreek Hill and Anthony Schwartz.
1.5

He is 6'3". That is some serious get off time.

Posted By: SuperBrown Re: George Pickens - 04/09/22 07:49 PM
Slim Pickens approves of George Pickens.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: George Pickens - 04/09/22 09:20 PM
Shouldn't the thread title be
" George Pickens won't be a very good NFL player"

Won't be a very good player should definetly be in the thread title.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/09/22 09:27 PM
Do you have anything to add that adds?
Posted By: BpG Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 02:52 PM
LOL highlights of a WR blowing dudes up in the run game is DEFINETELY what I want in a WR /sarcasm


4.5 at the combine
4.73 at his pro day!!

5 catches last season

I am so out on that, receivers who aren't athletes fall ESPECIALLY with this regime.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 03:06 PM
Pickens Relative Athletic Score was 9.33 out of 10.

That is higher than any score of the receivers who are considered the top five.

His drop rate is the best of any receiver in the draft.

He had five catches because he tore his ACL in the spring. He only played in a few games.

Watch his tape and determine if he appears unathletic.
Posted By: eotab Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 03:19 PM
Well its a deep draft for WR I'm thinking team wise it probably would end up better for us to take a WR in the 3rd round as we do not have a first round pick I think it would be best for the team to get the BPA for the defense at #44. The dynamic of this draft has changed because of our trade. If we do go WR Id rather we get a replacement for Landry - somebody that would be a reliable possession WR:

Dotson being the first but of course if there is a big run he will be gone probably Pickens as well.

The most available would probably be Metchie, Skye Moore or Austin realistically those 3 will be our best options one of the 3 actually might be there for the taking in the 3rd round. People forget Ski's Offense covets using 2 TE sometimes all 3. I think we can probably end up getting the first or second TE in the draft as opposed to getting the 8-10th WR. Top TE I think would be more worthwhile to our team then a 2nd round WR. Cooper and DPJ are a solid X, Z WR I think we will go for the "Y"

jmho
Posted By: BpG Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 03:45 PM
Edit: he did not run at his pro day, I had incorrect information.

This guy is a PRIME candidate for "clean up" surgery ala Montario Hardesty before week 1.

Not worth the risk in round 2.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by BpG
Edit: he did not run at his pro day, I had incorrect information.

This guy is a PRIME candidate for "clean up" surgery ala Montario Hardesty before week 1.

Not worth the risk in round 2.

Pickens will most likely be a first round pick ... and you are entitled to your own opinion ... just not your own facts.
Posted By: BpG Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by BpG
Edit: he did not run at his pro day, I had incorrect information.

This guy is a PRIME candidate for "clean up" surgery ala Montario Hardesty before week 1.

Not worth the risk in round 2.

Pickens will most likely be a first round pick ... and you are entitled to your own opinion ... just not your own facts.

sure bud, whatever that means
Posted By: Milk Man Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 06:53 PM
j/c...

From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...

Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?

Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...

From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...

Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?

Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”

That's fascinating information. Thanks for posting that.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 08:07 PM
Interesting.

I can only go by what I see. That is why scouts are hired. They can find off field, medicals, and whatever else there is.

I only get to see what he does on the field. Everything I see screams first round talent.

Some players become men and all the college garbage they were into goes away.

Some never grow up and it is a problem.

I have to respect due diligence. If this is a giant red flag on this guy. Then I would not draft him.

If on the other hand I felt it would go away then it could worth the risk.

If I had another guy there with the same ranking and high character. I would pass on Pickens.

On tape Pickens is as good as any receiver in the draft.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 08:29 PM
I'd certainly be interested in knowing what these "red flags" are. But I haven't been able to find anything about them.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/26/22 09:03 PM
IMO he is really talented.

If it were me as GM. I would bring the guy in. I would need to sit across from him and talk.

I thought because of his Spring ACL injury and missing most of this season that was why he was considered a early second rounder.

I see a first round talent. Maybe there are other problems?

I hear Keyvon Thibideaux takes off plays etc. Maybe he has other interests outside of football etc. I can only go by game film. I don't comment on things I can not verfify first hand.

When I watch the guys game film. I see elite movement skill. The type that could be worthy of the first pick in the draft.

I just saw him on tv in a round table discussion. He was asked directly about what was being said. He was straight forward in saying he can not control what people who don't know him say. Those inside his circle know who he is and that is what is important to him. He comes off as a high intelligence guy.

I would love to see him in a orange helmet. That will not come true.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/27/22 04:08 PM
What these red flags are is extremely important. Being straight forward would be telling what these red flags actually are and explaining them. That's not what he did. He actually sidestepped the question.

You see, I agree that the interviews are important when you bring a kid in. I also understand people can put on a good front for short periods of time. That's why all of the background information on these players is so critical.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/27/22 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...

From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...

Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?

Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”

I am always skeptical of anonymous shade less than a week before the Draft.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/27/22 04:45 PM
There are enough good receivers in this draft that if I had doubts about Pickens. I would move on.

At the same time boys in college become men later. Professional football you work and produce or you are gone.

I see a lot of talent in the young man. I would want to see hunger and coachability. If I felt good about him and felt he work hard and listen.

I would draft him. If I had doubts. Move on.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: George Pickens - 04/27/22 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.
Ouch! He'll fit right in. Please don't put us in that position.
I like what comedian Maria Bamford said.
"Just stay away from red flags", "Oh Ok, but what if you're a Flag-factory, that only manufactures Huge Red Flags" wink
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 01:05 AM
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper.
They have no one that can command a double team
Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC.
Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans.
Pickens is a 1st RD talent.
The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years
They have made a habit of that since 99.
Posted By: bugs Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper.
They have no one that can command a double team
Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC.
Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans.
Pickens is a 1st RD talent.
The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years
They have made a habit of that since 99.

I disagree. Browns paid the dough for a QB and #1 receiver. You flood the other receiver positions with speed. Cherries on top are Chubb and Hunt.

Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.

Berry must and I think he will make this defense so tough to play against.
Posted By: Steubenvillian Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:45 AM
I'm with you, defense all the way
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper.
They have no one that can command a double team
Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC.
Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans.
[Pickens is a 1st RD talent.
The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years
They have made a habit of that since 99.
But in my opinion Pickens is not the guy you speak of.
Simply, at 44 I'd target John Metchie III WR from Alabama and go with it.

I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jameson Williams Wr were still on the board,
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Garrett Wilson were still on the board,
blah blah if Treylon Burks wr Arkansas were still on the board,
same same not draft if Drake London wr USC were still on the board,
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Chris Olave Wr Ohio St. were still on the board.
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jahan Dotson were still on the board
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if John Metchie Wr Alabama were still on the board.
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Skyy Moore Wr central Michigan were still on the board,

I don't think a team should pass on the chance to get a Wr, at 44, however I'd target John Metchie III, Alabama Wr, to pick at 44,
and then move on to the next possible selection.
For everything you'd say above, I think Metchie is more of the Man you are seeking.
And No, I don't think George Pickens is round 1 talent, more like later rounds
I think all of those players mentioned are going to have a better time in the NFL than George Pickens. Who knows.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by bugs
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper.
They have no one that can command a double team
Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC.
Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans.
Pickens is a 1st RD talent.
The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years
They have made a habit of that since 99.

I disagree. Browns paid the dough for a QB and #1 receiver. You flood the other receiver positions with speed. Cherries on top are Chubb and Hunt.

Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.

Berry must and I think he will make this defense so tough to play against.

I don't buy the speed thing. Schwartz has speed, but he doesn't get open. People want the QB to get the ball out quickly. To do that you need receivers who can get open quickly.

I for one don't care if my receivers get caught from behind after catching the ball and running maybe another 10-15 yards.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'd certainly be interested in knowing what these "red flags" are. But I haven't been able to find anything about them.

I was going to say the same thing. What are the "red flags" that would make him untouchable by some?
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 10:49 AM
Daniel Jeremiah said there was some talk about maturity issues that he thought were no big deal.

College 21 year old maturity? Ah sure it happens.

Can he play? Will he work? Can he be coached?

Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by bugs
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.

Honest question... is this true? Watson has had to work with some not-so-great supporting cast, but his WR corps has always been pretty good.
Posted By: bugs Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:45 PM
In 2020, he had Brandon Cooks and Will Fuller. Good receivers? Yes. Top-tier receivers? No.

I don't think you need to invest in first or second round receivers to partner with Cooper.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 02:48 PM
Both are far-and-away better than anything we have here behind Amari.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 03:51 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would believe or think it's a good idea to spend 230 mil. on a QB and make DPJ one of his primary targets. That's not even close to what they did in Houston when he had great success on the field. I don't think it has to be what some might consider an elite WR, but it will need to be someone in the upper tier second level of WR's. That's something the Browns don't have.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 04:05 PM
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"
Posted By: jacksondawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 04:48 PM
Not sure that the Browns are going to get alot help
In this draft
Seems like 7 teams are likely to draft wr in round 1
Round 2 there is 12 teams needing excellent wide receivers.
So if they draft 4 or 5 before us your looking at the 12th wide receiver.
Dt hall who is generally recognized as the 3rd defensive tackles off the board goes 20th
This would mean Winfrey would have to go undrafted for upwards
Of 20 picks.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 04:55 PM
I think the key word in your post is "hopefully". He is not there now and may never get there. That currently leaves a gaping hole and a question mark.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 04:55 PM
One could make an argument that Njoku softens the blow somewhat... but yeah.

I was just curious how people think it will shake out in terms of the pieces around him (our running game and Oline is like nothing DW has had to support him, but our receiver corps is the opposite). Is our run game and the protection he'll have enough to make up for the gigantic step back in pass-catching talent?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by bugs
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.

Honest question... is this true? Watson has had to work with some not-so-great supporting cast, but his WR corps has always been pretty good.

I think Watson can elevate those around him. The qb we are moving on from made our WRs worse. There are reasons why Watson was given such a huge contract and so many teams were interested in him even w/the court cases looming and why teams aren't dong all they can to obtain him. I know you are a big Baker fan and I appreciate that, but man, take a moment and really think about it.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:00 PM
I don't really disagree with you about other teams that need WR's. But just as with the Browns, that isn't their only need. In some of not many of those cases they could just as easily go in another direction. Just as we might. For 11 WR's to go before the Browns 44th pick, 25% of all the draft picks to that point would have to be WR's. I don't see that happening.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:12 PM
I was more curious about how Watson might feel about the differences between playing with Houston's roster vs ours. Does our offenses strengths (Oline and run game) make up for the step back in pass-catching talent?
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:20 PM
Njoku probably definitely softens that a bit. If Felton or Schwartz can figure out how to be a slot WR, that would definitely improve things, but until we get someone in the slot that a defense has to pay attention to, we're going to be playing uphill, I think.


I do think Watson is going to be VERY appreciative of his new OLine and run game, and I think his scrambling ability is going to help the offense move often, but in order for him to "elevate" a receiver, the receiver still has to get open, and I'm not sure what we're gonna get in that regard from any current WR not named Amari.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:21 PM
I feel that having a good or bad OL has a greater influence on how a QB performs over any other factor. If we bring back Landry or draft a guy like Skye Moore, our WRs will be fine. I don't think as highly about Fuller as some of you guys do. We have a head coach that is very good at scheming. I think the Shannahan/Kubiak system is the best in football.

Don't want to derail this thread too much, so back to Pickens. I really can't evaluate him because even though I watched UGA a lot, I never really noticed Pickens. I can't really add a lot. I do remember thinking their WRs were athletic looking, but I didn't find them all that impressive. Of course, maybe Pickens wasn't even playing in those games.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I don't really disagree with you about other teams that need WR's. But just as with the Browns, that isn't their only need. In some of not many of those cases they could just as easily go in another direction. Just as we might. For 11 WR's to go before the Browns 44th pick, 25% of all the draft picks to that point would have to be WR's. I don't see that happening.

I could see 7 - 8 WRs' coming off the board by our selection.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 05:43 PM
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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 06:24 PM
I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.
Posted By: Dawg Citizen Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 06:38 PM
Pickens would be a great target for Watson. He's a big play WR and deep threat. I hope he is still on the board at 44 and we take him.
Posted By: Dawg Citizen Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Shouldn't the thread title be
" George Pickens won't be a very good NFL player"

Won't be a very good player should definetly be in the thread title.
Hope a lot of other teams' GMs think that and he's there for us at 44.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"

I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.


I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"

I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.

No doubt! ... we will probably be watching the waiver wires come September too.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.

I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.

I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.


I guess that all depends on who is available too ... [if] Burks is sitting there like some think that he might, and [if] he is higher on our board, then yes, I could see that scenario.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:33 PM
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:44 PM
Interesting.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.

Interestingly enought mockables has Karlaftis and "my guy" Josh Paschal as the closes comp% ... albeit even if they are not the same players, I thought that was interesting, although I would be happy to add either or.
Posted By: Hammer Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 08:09 PM
Burks was one of the 30 visits the Browns had, so, maybe.....
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 08:33 PM
Actually saying Burks has a late first or early second round projection places him very close to our pick to begin with. The tenth pick in the second round is in the top one third of round 2. I don't think he will last that long but if someone is citing that as the projection, we are certainly in the conversation.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

In Dane Brugler's final mock he has GB taking Burks at #22 and AZ taking Karlaftis at #23, though it's absurdly hard to get picks right that far down in the draft.
Posted By: FATE Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Interesting.
One of my favorites in this year's draft. Fair warning on a long story, but I love this kid. Mentality of a bull in all sports, man among boys his whole life (much like Myles) athletically. Not blazing speed... you're not catching him after a Nick Chubb-esque stiff-arm anyway. Intimidates the defender with physicality and plays with strong hands -- attacking the catch. Sorry, rambling, enjoy... Great story.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/...ks-wild-boar-hunter-first-round-prospect
Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:16 PM
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.
Posted By: FATE Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:23 PM
Yep.

4.5 at the combine knocks him down... it's inevitable with the amount of talent at WR.

I'm hoping this gives us a shot.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:32 PM
Because of the depth of this years receivers.

It is hard to figure how GM's see all these guys. London, Watson, Pickens are tall guys.

Olave, Wilson, Dotson, Moore quick, and fast. Williams super fast. Burks is big and physical.

Burks is one of those types that could go mid to late but he could fall to the second.

What quarterbacks will be taken? Lots of factors.

I listed nine guys. If there is a run on receivers and say seven go in the first. The Browns maybe forced to trade up to early second to land a guy.

I just hope we get a good one.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:45 PM
I think 6 WR WI defo go in the first round. I think 7 is possible if Pickens goes too.

But I don't see Berry trading up unless somehow it's part of a Baker trade. If anything I'd think a move down a few spots is more likely. Jmo. Think they'd really have to covet a guy to move up.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 09:55 PM
IMO they will not move into the first round.

Would they move up in the second? Yes maybe five or six slots.

Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.

He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.
Posted By: bonefish Re: George Pickens - 04/28/22 10:50 PM
Burks will used much the same as Debo.

He has that running back receiver thing going on. He is not the polished route runner like some of the others.

Pickens is a realistic guy because he could be there. I can not speak to "off field." He only played in four games last season.

I have no doubt about his ability. He can do everything you want a receiver to do. Lowest drop rate. Good route runner. Gets separation. Wins contested catches. Has body control to adjust to the ball in the air. He can break physical jam press coverage. Aggressive blocker.

Dane Bruglar mentioned his competiveness. It is obvious on the tape. He wants that ball. He likes to block. I pay attention to that.

He probably has done some stuff that is not to cool. He plays with an edge.

He may turn some teams off. I don't about any of that. He maybe trouble. But he can play.
Posted By: Jester Re: George Pickens - 04/29/22 12:05 AM
Seeing lots of negative press recently about PICKENS, indicating he was unimpressive in his interviews with NFL teams at the Combine, Pro Days and team visits. Too much of a “me guy” for some tastes.

https://gbnreport.com/draft-day-thots-pigskins-a-m-edition/
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: George Pickens - 04/29/22 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by mgh888
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.

He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.
Treylon Burks WR Arkansas is not a gimmick player.
He is a prototypical Wr, a long ball deep threat with over 16. yards per catch average, with a ton of upside.
If Burks were on the board at #44 and the Browns select him it would be outstanding!
If the Browns trade up and select Treylon Burks it would also be outstanding! thumbsup
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: George Pickens - 04/29/22 11:32 AM
Now that it’s plausible he’s available, I’m good with taking him. Or Moore. Maybe Watson as well.

Outside of those 3, I’d go with defense
Posted By: BpG Re: George Pickens - 05/03/22 03:28 PM
Fell well out of the first round as expected. I mean I don't care how talented you are perceived to be, you don't go from 5 receptions to first round pick.
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