An ugly win is still a win, and we needed that.

I didn't expect much from DW today, and that's what we got. He still has a lot of rust and was serviceable at best, IMO. I think he will be better moving forward. But if he struggles early in the next game, I think it's reasonable to say Jacoby gives us the best chance to win this year and should be put in sooner rather than later or not at all. And this isn't a knock on DW, Brissett was playing top-10 ball, is all I'm saying.

Overall, this was a horrible game for the O. The other two phases of the game saved our butts, luckily. I don't think we need to be concerned about DW, but we need him to get back up to speed, and we need to make every move we can to make the playoffs.

Defense and special teams

Chubb and Hunt played well

Watson played eh ... a little bit rusty

Rough game and Watson looked rusty as all hell, but a win is a win baby and we'll take it!

-Ugly offense in general
-Good defense and special teams
-I'll happily take the 2-score win

Aside from how well the special teams played, this game went about how I expected it to. On to the Bengals.

If Baltimore lost maybe you think about playing Jacoby?

But nah we have nothing to play for other than getting Watson ready for next year. It's going to be ugly, but he is the future and just have to stay with him for the duration of the season. It's what we invested in and signed up for, we're only hurting ourselves for next year if we go back to Jacoby. I do love Jacoby for the record.

I'm just glad it clearly looked like rust, and not that he lost a step.

aint it crazy how there was finally a game where the defense actually showed up and carried the team? im not gonna lie guys.....

im glad we won, but imma be really paying attention to the defensive effort the last bit of this season. cause this is two weeks in a row now that they suddenly decided to play like they have talent. we keep playing like this, the more upset imma be, because i can't help but think the defense decided not to try until DW comes back.

J/C

I thought the big plays from the ST and D were awesome. I also saw the D let the Texans move down the field a few times. Luckily Houston's QB is just terrible, or things could have been very different. Chubb and Hunt ran hard. Watson definitely has to play much better, and I believe he will moving forward. A win is a win!

THAT SUCKED, IF THEY HAD BEEN PLAYING ANY ANY ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL, THEY WOULD HAVE LOZT TODAY.

IF THEY PLAY LIKE THAT THE NEXT TWO WEEKZ

CININNATI, AND BALTIMORE ARE GOING TO BEAT THE BROWNZ BY 4 SCORES EACH


and I'm not real happy about it.

I hate the idea of the team playing or signing Jacoby, for the record, and from the day they did in around the time of the trade in February of 2022, but
as bad as Jacoby Brisset waz playing,

Watzon, ))so far, ) iz playing much worze.

Need to keep playing DW so he can get back to game speed. We're still in the playoff hunt but unlikely we'll get in. Play for next year with DW. A win is a win. Teams have won ugly against us over the last 20 years. They didn't complain about winning did they?

Watson has a lot of work to do. As painful as it was watching him play D and ST kept it fun to watch.

The D - slow start, but they definitely picked it up by the 2Q. They truly won the game with 2 INT TDs.
ST - Played way better today. Punts were solid and of course the Punt return.
O - Chubb, Hunt and DPJ put a lot of work in today. Over all, the O line is not playing as well as earlier this season and yes injuries are part of the problem. When you're on the 4th string center, you're at scrub level for some key positions.
Coaching - Play calls are still a bit mundane, but for this game, understandable with a "rookie" QB. LOL

Watson - more rust than a barn find Edsel. From a football ONLY perspective, 700 days on the bench showed up not only in reads but in pass mechanics. While I know the Browns aren't officially eliminated from a playoff berth, I think the real focus should just be getting Watson and the O in synch. Yes it's tempting to go Jacoby when Watson struggles, but like a flu shot, sometimes you got to take it and move on. These last few games are flu shots.

Just my opinion - YMMV.

- That felt like watching two 4th preseason game offenses going at it for four quarters. Brutal.

- Thank you to Kyle Allen for being absolutely terrible.

- Congrats to DPJ for returning the first punt for a TD since The Rabbit in 2015.

- Stefanski called a conservative game to try and get Watson in rhythm. Might need to sandblast him remove the rust.

- Three offensive points off the now 1-10-1 Texans is bad.

- I enjoyed the Felton sightings.

- Jacoby Brissett with the jet sweep to Haley Joel Osmet when Texans were thinking QB sneak. Nice play call.

- Wyatt Teller has not been himself.

- Woods and Priefer are going to survive after these past two weeks.

- It's a win and the Browns will remain in the 'In the hunt' graphic for another week.

- Game ball: Tony Fields who had himself a career day.

Thank goodness the Defense and Special Teams showed up today or it would have been a loss by a 1-9 team. Thank goodness Allen was horrible. Watson has A LOT of rust to brush off before Cincinnati and Baltimore the next 2 weeks. Chubb with under 20 carries again. Ugh.

Why?

That says it all! Any other team in the league and we would have lost by 30 points.

Who iz going to zuit up at WR next week.
Micheal Woodz waz out today. David Bell went out with injury.
Njoku didn't play today,
DPJ... ehh, and then you have Cooper, and Zchwartz.

so basically you have Amari Cooper and that's it.

Never seen DW4 look worse, and that’s pretty much as bad as we’ll see him play I hope.

Our OL is a big concern lately. I think the Pocic loss is one of the biggest ones of the year

Kevin going to watch a real coach, i.e.
Kanzaz City'z coach would have kicked a FG, before the half if they had faced 4th and goal.
ehh, KC zcored a TD while typing making this pozt moot.

Why not.
I like Demetric Felton, maybe he haz a ceiling to reach and get better with more playing time, I don't think he iz in the washed up and will not ever get back to form timeframe of hiz career.

Today is a sad day for me...I think this win ensures we will run it back with Stefanski...a mediocre OC masquerading as a HC. Ugh. Next year will be another wasted year of Watson, Chubb, Garrett, Bitonio, Ward, etc.,.etc. because of this decision. This organization simply can't get out of its own way.

And I'm not sure if this is worse or not, but can Woods survive? I think its possible. Goodness.

Love a random cameo.

Just saw on redzone it's the most points without an offensive touchdown since '99.

Ugly win, but that's Browns football lol

What a crazy game!

Good turnout of Browns fans at the game

Defense played well overall... that pick six was a great play! The fumble for TD really surprised me... need to see the reply, but Allen looked down from my angle...

DPJ TD was fantastic! Great timing as well...

Hunt and Chubb looked good... DW looked really rusty... he had a few flashes of his old self... but skipped several passes and overall looked like he was in preseason game 1... hoping he works some things out before next week

j/c.

As I always say, a win is a win, regardless. A loss is a loss, regardless. I'd rather win ugly, then lose looking awesome.

We played a bad team. If not for the punt return td, and/or the blocked pass pick 6 or the fumble recovery td, we lose. Our o was bad.

Prior to the game, someone mentioned how poor the texans d was against the pass, and against the run. For whatever reason, that was not evident today.

I don't know what that means for sure...........but we got lucky. I believe we got 6 offensive points, total. Thank goodness for the pick 6, the f.r. for a td, and the special teams t.d. punt return.

DW, while rusty, played poorly. Instead of some ice bath tonight, or hot tub time tonight, maybe the trainers should soak him in a wd40 solution for a few hours to get rid of the rust. Or, at a minimum, loosen some of it.

A W ugly counts just as much as a wonderful brilliant W, no doubt. Name of the game is W's.

A lot of work ahead, though.

While I can agree that the OLine had great timing with Pocic at center matched with Brissett at QB... the OLines performance today was not too shabby as the Browns ran for 174 yds.

The timing of the Watson's snap cadence was inconsistent the whole game. That inconsistency can affect the timing of the OLine calls as well as the timing of the snap. Just another issue that comes with a QB who hasn't played for 2 years.

True, but if Houston's QBs weren't terrible, they are not likely 1-10-1

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Watson was never the same and never improved beyond today?

240 million guaranteed and he’s a bust?

Why would that be funny?

It wouldnt be funny, it would be hilarious

Why would that be hilarious?

x 2

I support this comment.

Browns win despite Stefanski and his stupidity. LOL

An interesting observation on IF the defense was waiting to actually start playing once Watson came back. IF that is the case, you can ship every one of them off. That is unacceptable.

What'd he do that was stupid? Overall I thought he called a fine game... offense couldn't execute very well... but there weren't any major bonehead calls that I can recall... his challenge to start the game was a good one...

I watched a QB today that looked like rookie. Kinda funny how
Many Homer's on here said back in the summer Watson
Was better than guys like Burrow Hebert etc.
Watson struggled with basic high school throws.
Chubb and Hunt ran strong but you better enjoy it while
Its last cause Hunt is on borrowed time as a Brown

The Browns beat a expansion level roster today
If the Texans had a average QB they beat the Browns

I expect this offense to still struggle as long as Watson is starting
Us David Bell going to make a play this year?
He was so overhyped in the preseason

Myles Garrett was a non factor vs the run. How many times
Did he hit Pierce in the backfield?

My big concern isn’t Watson’s inaccuracy, it’s HOW he was inaccurate. He was literally 3-4 feet short into the ground of targets. Weird IMO

j/c...

J-Dubs kiddos hanging out in the locker room for the victory speech!

1. Stefanski always talks about 'complimentary football.' Today, I saw a different version of it. I saw D and ST step up to compensate for a struggling O. A team needs this in its arsenal.
2. I don't think the D was 'loafing until Game 12.' I think they were really slow to gel. I also think that Woods' decision to simplify the scheme was about 3-4 weeks too late.
3. #4: Soooo much rust. He needs to be painted with naval jelly 8 hrs/day, every day until the next game. Deep tissue naval jelly massages... administered by by hulking, ex-pro players with college physiology credits. (NO BABES/NO BIKINIS!!!!)

I called this concern weeks before his return. I don't care how great you are, 700 days off from The Job is not a bye weekend off in Cabo.

4. Called QB carries will need to be regular features (3-4 calls per game) until #4 gets his timing down with the receiving corps. DW has huge running instincts, and clean 5-yd gains from the pocket will not only loosen D's, but also give CLE some chain-moving plays while Watson figures things out.
5. This team won ugly against an NFL bottom-feeder. Much more will be required, if they are to win either of the next 2 games. If the O is slow to transition with #4, CLE could get curb-stomped early in The Watson Era.

Nice to see a win.
Unsettled about how we'll look over the next few weeks.

Watson was HORRIBLE. He led the team to 3 points against the worst team in the league.

We squeezed out a win by the defense/special teams who had all the scores handed to them.

I have no expectations for a win in Cincy next Sunday.

Between rust and just the pressure of the moment, Watson looked horrible. Now that the 1st one is over, it will be downhill from here for Watson. I have no real worries about him other than how long it will take.

Tony Fields has been getting more shots and has been looking pretty good. He looks like a player with upside.

Schwantz looked as expected. The fumble aside, he missed a couple of tackles on special teams. I saw Felton getting some time, mostly running around doing useless things. I suppose the FO wants to see these guys in action. I am not sure what else they need to see, but if it is one last look, it is what it is. Neither one of those guys needs to be on the team.

I guess we will now get to look at Ford the rest of the season. While he didn't look good yesterday, we do need to see what he brings. I do wonder why we even keep D Johnson on the roster? While he is clearly proven to be a good back, we never play him. If you have written the guy off, why even use up the roster spot? Something isn't right about that situation when a scrub like Felton is getting play time and DJ stands on the sidelines.

The DT's looked decent again now that we have finally decided that having our DT's shoot gaps and fly up field doesn't work. Every team wants to have an Aaron Donald or Randy White type DT destroying other teams in the middle of the D, but there is a reason why there are only 2-3 of those guys in the league at any given time. You don't scheme guys like that, they just happen, and they don't happen very often. I don't care what Joe Woods thinks, you aren't going to have a guy like Elliott play like Reggie White.

Too bad for Joe he needed to figure that out 8 weeks ago, not last week.

I wonder if we are going to be able to keep DPJ? He is going to garner a lot of interest from other teams. We aren't going to have much leverage in keeping him. I guess we could keep the Schwantz to take over for him....lol Speaking of Schwantz, when did he get his noodles rattled? On one of his missed special teams tackles?

I wonder about some of those kick-offs. They had to be called squib kicks. I can't believe York hit them that badly. I didn't have any volume for the game where I watched. Anybody know?

Guess that is it for now.

Good point about Fields … he has some pop to him

I agree about Ford: he looked bad yesterday, but it won’t hurt to get him a little run here

And in terms of the DTs: sadly, we look better with Winfrey on the field. He’s got some toughness

Fields is just so small...looks like he should be a DB...

Winfrey should be playing more....

I think Winfrey can be a solid player as long as he isn't an egg head. If he can start to think right he is probably a keeper. Now we will find out if it is simply a maturity issue or the guy is just a stone cold dummy.

We have to find out about Ford. It looks like he is the chosen player to replace Hunt. Ford has done a nice job returning kicks for the most part, but I don't care about that. We need to find out if he is a #2 back. He needs to show he is better than DJ before we just toss DJ out the door, even though it looks like we already have.

Yep. Berry needs to acknolwedge that these 2 aren't working out. If these small fast guys can't outplay their height or contribute on special teams, they are a waste of a roster spot.

Well, a win is a win. No matter who you play. Houston is bad, we needed to win this one. We do have what it takes to lose to anyone.

- Obvious thought. Watson looked very rusty. He said after the game that he felt each one of those 700 days since he last played in an NFL game. When he was off, I was glad that it was short/low instead of high. Those tend to get tipped and up for grabs. Not saying that was intentional, just glad they were in the turf. Now that some live action is under his belt, let's hope it gets better, quick.

- Houston was able to get pressure through the center, and through Wills. Neither had a good game.

- I think we were missing Njoku. Bryant has made some nice catches (and runs) these past couple games, but he is still a liability as a blocker. And with contested throws.

- The run defense really had me nervous at first. They were getting gashed early, but tightened up.

- The Houston QB is not good.

- I saw Greedy Williams put in so little effort on a tackle that Jamie Collins would have been embarrassed. Right as the receiver caught the pass Greedy was on him from behind and got both arms wrapped around his waist. Textbook. Then ... did nothing. Not only did the guy get out of that, he was able to get inside the 10. Pathetic.

- The punter continues to do very well. I was concerned when we signed him, as Green Bay's special teams were really bad across the board last year. But, he's been doing well.

- Fields with a tremendous game. Forced the QB fumble, recovered the special teams fumble. Pick 6. Not too shabby.

- York with 2 FGs. Hopefully a confidence booster.

- Nice to see the defense and special teams pick up the slack when the offense struggles.

Ugly as Sin win - but I'll take it over the alternatives.

Watson - rusty as hell, can't discern anything or forecast anything based off this game other than he needs to start the rest of the season. Any thought of Brissett keeping the team close in the playoff hunt for Watson to come in and guide us to a 100% winning record for the rest of the season is clearly a pipe dream. This season is definitely now flushed down the toilet, Watson needs all the reps to get back up to speed and start fast next year.

I'm not going to get excited about the D playing against an inept HOU offense ... I'll wait to give them props when they do it against some of the teams on the remaining schedule.

I liked that Feely kind of explained what he thought York’s issues were with the plant leg

j/c:

- I expected Watson to be rusty but I didn't expect him to be THAT rusty. But the added pressure of playing in Houston and in front of family on top of not playing in a long time was expected. Hopefully, as the season progresses everything will slow down for him.

- I think KS called a good game that was simple for Watson to digest. Loved the play call idea using Brissett on 4 and 1....just wonder if it was necessary to use against Houston. I wouldn't be surprised to see little wrinkles like that with Brissett moving forward.

- Tackling continues to be half-assed and problematic. Guys are not wrapping up and simply throwing their body into the ball-carrier.

- I thought the offensive line struggles continued. Not having Piocic really hurts. Also, they might need to adapt protecting a different style of QB in Watson over Brissett.

- Houston's QB really struggled with extremely high and inaccurate passes.

- Good too see the defense capitalize on mistakes.

I don't remember that. I remember people saying he was in that class. I can pull up the thread that ranked the QBs if you want.

That's not really why I replied to you, though. You are constantly referring to the "many homers" on this board. It's a Cleveland Browns message board. WTF did you expect to find? Steeler fans?

Yes - loved the play design, it does seem wasting it on HOU was questionable. Obviously next time we might simply have JB keep it and having showed this variation maybe the middle will be a bit softer - but still it was such a good play for short yardage I would have saved it.

If the Browns are committed to moving on from Hunt, and let's face it Hunt has aged before our eyes this year, why not let Chubb and D'ernest man the position next year? They seem hell bent on letting D'ernest walk and having it be Chubb and Ford. Based on what happened this off season D'ernest shouldn't be that expensive.

Why is there a kid in there? I read there were kids on the sideline again. Is that normal?

I believe their are different tiers or categories of fans.
I think you have some that are realistic. They don't trick themselves
Into thinking everything is Rosey and awesome
Then you have a section that the wait and see, or prove it
To me attitude.
Then you have a part of the Homer's. They believe every
Move by the front office great. Every draft pick is a steal
Every player acquisition is a successful one.
Every year the Browns are playoff bound etc etc
Then you have a tier of fans that are cautiously optimistic

But in the past the ones that were realistic, were looked down
Upon by the Homer's. In fact at one time the Homer's had
The loudest voice in Dawgtalkers.

2 years ago Watson was definitely in the same conversation as a top 5-7 QB. Of course, we’ll have to wait to see if he can return to that form

Lets see if he can be better that Brissett

So I haven't been posting lately...life and work have been a bit rough. So I just wanted to give my thoughts on the game yesterday and probably disappear again.

I will discuss DW Last. Lets start with the D. Man they had a bad first half. Peirce ran over them as if he was Walter Payton. Tackling was terrible. Houston had been taking advantage of our over pursuit. and even when tacklers got there, they missed. Tackling has been an issue all season. Houston is not a team built to come from behind. Else, we would seen a heaver dose of Peirce in the 2nd half. I did see a change in the 2nd half where Takitaki (hope he is ok) began to spy and mirror Peirce. The D also was more conservative in later in the game allowing Houston to move the ball better. That was understandable and typical of our team. We shot ourselves in the foot with penalties. The D though did well to capitalize on opportunities. I thought pressure was decent against a QB that was getting the ball out very quickly. We need to invest in DT. I like Elliott but I don't think he is an answer to anchor the middle of our DLine. I like our corners in Emmerson, Newsome, and Ward. Delpit is inconsistent. Considering the injuries he has had the first couple years...maybe that is to be expected. Fields had the game of his career. Lets hope it is a sign of things to come. Johnson has been solid and I think the defacto leader since Walker went down. In all I think Safety is ok for us but not pushing us toward the goal to be elite. I think the D won this game for us...not in a flukey way...they "made plays" to get those scores. But I would like to see a game played for a full 60 minutes. We seem to play for a half or 3 quarters. luckily this time it was the second half....

Special Teams....Holy Cow we returned one for a TD. I like what DPJ has done in the punt game. I understand the trepidation to put your #2 receiver in as the punt returner. But I think it was a good move to put him back there. I also like Ford returning KO's. He has had a few moments where a slight trip up kept him form possibly going to the house. But he is the best returner we have seen in a while. D.Johnson approached it more like a running back. Coverage is still an issue. But I like that Schwartz has found a role as a gunner and affects the run back. Also has the speed to get behind and get potential balls before they touchback. Bojorquez (sp) was BOOMING his punts. It is easy to say that he was over kicking his coverage...but I really don't think that is the case. I think Tackling was a bigger issue. Cade York was exactly who we would hope him to be. Overall, good job by the ST....but still room for improvement in the tackling is needed.

OK now the Big Elephant in the Room. Yes DW was rusty. Strange. I expected throws to go high. But his throws went low. And he had a bad read that lead to an INT....BUT...I do think we got some glimpses of what out Offense could be. Everyone spoke about how bad Allen had been throwing the week before....and this week he looked pretty decent. I thought the playcalling gave Watson chances. But you know I expected some bad throws...I thought the would diminish by the 4th, but they didn't fully. However, I want to look at some positives as well. he had good control of the offense and made good reads for the most part. I thought he did well communicating in the huddle and on the line. And even the INT...I can UNDERSTAND how that happened. It was a good play by Pritle and DJ should have seen it...But I do think both Cooper (who even stated so) and DW expected Pritle to follow DPJ. The D also got some penetration and so the throw had to come quickly. But I wasn't focusing on the throws as much. I thought he had GREAT pocket awareness. especially for being out so long. I thought for the most part he had good reads. I think he needs to work on his play action fake. Believe it or not, I like our receivers. and that includes Schwartz. Would I be sad to see Schwartz go??...only for him. But I think he could be that speedster that is overrated because his QB makes him look so good...ie. Will Fuller. I think as Watson gets more comfortable, he will spread the ball around...Hit TE's and utilize players like Bell and Michael Woods. Right now it is Cooper and DPJ. I also saw a change in his face as the game went on. At first it was a little more wide eyed. in the late third Quarter and Fourth it had changed to a more laser focused command type of face. All in all I am satisfied...the throws will come around. but the decision making, communication, and command doesn't always come around. When things start to click we will see more down field shots that will open up the running game and the offense as a whole far more. They mentioned Allen and how awful he looked against the Dolphins...but then had nothing but praise for him yesterday...So a week can make a difference.

I do think we will need to invest in Center and DT in the coming FA and Draft. Froholdt is doing an admirable job. But isn't an answer yet. Most of the pursuit in the run game is coming through him. But they also overload his spot as an attack point. He has been put in a terrible situation and is handling it very professionally. That doesn't mean the quota is being met...But again...Watson gets comfortable...that attack point diminishes because those guys will have to stay back more often.

One question...why was the illegal procedure against Houston "disregarded by rule" when they declined the Offsides and accepted the Roughing the passer? I am not sure I understand that rule point.

I'm telling you bro, look back at his record here. Woods starts slow, and his D looks like crap until the half to the tail end of the season, then they come on like gangbusters. It's a pattern, and it's a problem.

I’ve said that about Woods too. He has them playing well in the last third of the season, but it’s not good enough because we’re already out of it lol

Not funny at all and would be ugly af trying to ship him. But the chances of that are almost nil. DW will bounce back. But I won't be sold on him being a great QB until I see it in a Browns game. However, even though he played ugly yesterday, he still looked the part and looked comfortable doing it.

Not trying to be argumentative w/you, but we gave up:

6 in week 3
7 in week 4
14 in week 6
14 in week 7
10 in week 8
16 in week 9
7 in week 10
7 in week 11
10 in week 12

Our bye week was the following week.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/cle/season/2021

This is how I remember it too. And we're all homer here.

Answer; Objectivity.

j/c

I didn't see the game so I can't speak first hand to watson's performance. From reading all of these posts it appears watson stunk the place up. I'll use a quote by Memphis to sum up what it appears most agree they saw....


That's not what the end result will be. There weren't many posters on here that didn't expect to see some rust. It was only logical. He will certainly be much better when all is said and done. Now I know people think he will be as good as he was before and that's entirely possible. But it isn't as guaranteed as some seem to think.

As many have said, a win is a win. After all it is a team sport. So hats off to the D and ST's, both much maligned all season, for saving the O's ass today.

It's as if many fans have forgotten he's on the roster and has proven his worth on game day. Instead they promote yet another project. I don't get it ether.

Isn't that Harrison Bryant?

That makes what the D has done so far this season even worse. Rather than building on what they were doing last season they regressed by a large margin. That's never a good thing.

You forgot to mention the tier that whines, pizzes and moans about anything and everything.

No team can WASTE HALF A SEASON figuring out how to play defense. That is just foolish.

Maybe I missed it but any updates on Taki’s injury?
Bell’s?
Shwartz’?
Bryant’s?

I haven't seen any updates on Take, but being taken off on a cart is a bad sign. It's too bad because the D is playing so much better once he was inserted at LBer.

Watson phew that was ugly. Rusty is an under statement. Still saw flashes of what I expect to see. The Schwartz fumble play was what I expect, was a great play and of course Schwartz fumbled it, that dude sucks.

Very rusty with live speed and throwing mechanics, it was expected but it was more than I thought. A win is a win.

Bummer. He had been playing well and is in a contract year.

Well isn't that just a kick in the nuts. That's going to hurt, and I enjoyed watching him play.

Any word on if Buzbee and his entourage enjoyed the game?

I haven't seen anything regarding this. But overall, it was reported that the expected vitriol Watson would receive was wildly overblown.

Except by Sam Ponder.

I love contrived mental anguish by sports media.

I know it doesn't matter because he did catch the ball, but he almost dropped that pass. He had to grab it a 2nd time after it initially bounced out of his hands.

I have already voiced my displeasure with the DJ situation. It makes no sense to me. I will say if DJ is causing problems, then that is a different deal, but I haven't seen or heard about anything along those lines.

He is also ass on special teams. If he has any dog in him, he would be begging for Jets sweep touches. If he has any fight in him he will get on the page with Watson to try and make a career, if he sucks like he has through the rest of this season he could be out of here. Dude is what in year two and already dealing with mental health issues on top of being an absolute liability.

Sounds harsh but he gone

Much like I expected, Watson was rusty and really didn't play very well.. I expect that to improve. He's got the skills,, just needs to get back to himself. Damn the D and ST came to play. But Cincy won't be the Texans.. They are way better.

Watson's play:

35% Rust.
65% Anxiety.

It'll pass.

Considering watson's performance I would guess they did.

Weren't they up in a box? I didn't see anything about them on gameday. I think they went unnoticed. Can't make a public statement from a luxury box.

Yeah, anyone thinking that NFL coverage which is well paid for by the NFL would say anything about it would be an unrealistic expectation. Thay don't want another word said about it. Here is some coverage of the story though.

https://www.today.com/video/deshaun-watson-returns-to-nfl-faces-intense-boos-from-crowd-156225605535

Exactly. They want this to go away, post-haste, so why draw more attention to it?

Actually, the networks have been extremely hard on Watson. ESPN in particular has slammed him for not talking about the case in public. Any one w/a brain knows he can't do that due to the legal repercussions, but that doesn't stop them. I am not going to get into a back and forth w/Pit and the others. Just saying this to you because you are actually objective.

I will add that I thought the crowd would be far more hostile. There were Houston fans wearing his jersey, asking for autographs, etc. The booing occurred, but it was subdued. I thought it would be crazy. It wasn't.

Hope you had a good time, I looked for a Browns fan in a Texans jersey behind the goal posts with a grin on their face

Long time beat report for the Houston Texans, now retired, John McClain, had said in the week(s) leading up to the game that he didn't expected a hostile crowd. He mentioned how Texans fans barely go to the games are more angry with ownership for putting out such a terrible product.

I'd suspect Cincy will be a more hostile environment, if for no other reason than to try and get in Watson's head in a big division game.

j/c:

I agree w/all you said.

This time of year always has me cherishing all that he has done for this country.

#remember #NakatomiPlaza

LMAO!

Also, it's not a Christmas movie.

Yes the media is being so mean to the sexual predator. He is now the victim, right? Hilarious.

They won't. Others will. It's like people believing the homogenized version of what actually went on at the stadium last Sunday. All one has to do is watch the video at the link I provided to see it wasn't as subdued as some have been led to believe.

You're dead to me.

Had a blast! Got to see the team up close... saw Jimmy and Berry about 20 feet from me... and tried really hard not to look too happy when the Browns made plays... Great game from the ST and Defense!

There were lots of boos in Houston and some pretty hilarious signs... but overall, not too hositle...

Thanks for the first-hand look.
Posts like yours give real-time life to the storied we only get see , surface-level.

Dad sold out to make that catch.
Sign him up. He''ll outperform Schwartz on Day One.

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Sign him up...

Haha love that