The Good:

--Nassib played the run better than I thought he would. He is very active. He also had some smart plays.

--Pryor's catch and his blocking.

--Wentz. I don't usually talk about the other team, but I didn't want us to draft him. He looked pretty damn good today.

--The OL did a better job of pass protection than I thought they would. They did struggle at the end, but that was when we forced to throw on every play.

--The run defense was better than I expected.

The Bad:

--RGIII's accuracy.

--Pryor jumping early. I don't think he was even looking at the ball.

--What's his name.......Taylor? #21. I heard so many good things about him, but he looked clueless.

--Hawkins looks like a wuss and I hate how he complains.

--Coleman catches w/his body. Terrible hands. He looked lost.

The Ugly:

--What kinda call and formation was that on the fake punt?

--Guys hanging their heads before the game was after.

--I really thought we would win this game, but we blew a golden opportunity. Building a culture of losing is butt-ugly.

Vers, I need to give you props on Shelton. I felt he played really well in the 1st half, but because he was on the field for a eternity he ran out of gas.

On the fake punt: I kinda thought they were just going for it and that was the play that was called, not necessarily trying to 'deceive' anyone.

Hawkins is a bad WR and doesn't give us anything.

Barnidge had a very rough day. That's not a pro bowl performance]

Haden got toasted his one big time

the good.
Nassib has a good motor.real lunch pail kind of player
nice catch by Pryor.
Johnson showed nice YAC.

the bad. no excuse letting a rookie QB beat you with limited reps.
again the run defense was porous
Hue trying to get too cute with fake punt.this isn't the Bengals
he's coaching. it's a young team

the ugly. another opening day loss.
RG3 getting outplayed by a rookie.
the lbs missing tackles and not playing run fits correctly

The good: One decent drive. A few defensive stops. Nassib & Ogbah. Shelton on occasion. O-line pass protection for a lot of the game, and run blocking for some of the game.

The bad: Special teams gave up at least one big return. Almost everything else.

The Ugly: Going for it on fourth down at our end of the field. Getting our asses whipped by a rookie we passed on. The secondary. The Browns as an organization. Orange pants.

The Good

I really likes the play of Carl Nassib.

Danny Shelton got push and penetration.

Both Derrick Kinndred and Ibraheim Campbell are active and support the run fairly well.

Terrelle Pryor has really improved as a wide receiver.

Duke Johnson run after catch ability on swing passes.

The Bad

RG3 - He seems to have improved at going thru progressions and making pre and post snap reads but his accuracy was awful.
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The play of the linebackers. Very few plays made bu Davis, Kirksey, Ogbah, or Shoebert. The majority of the Eagles runs were wide and the tight ends killed the Browns on short yardage.

No pass rush without blitzing.

The play of Tramon Williams.

The Ugly

Cameron Ervings snap over RG3 head.

Fake Punt with no punter on the field.

The trick plays in general.

The dropped passes by Barnidge and Coleman.

it was almost like hue was trying to be too slick and gimmicky. the shifts, lineups, and ideas were too off the wall (not to mention the execution)

it made us even more off kilter IMO

Not an RG3 fan ... But he played better than the results showed .. He actually didn't play bad at all in the 1st half .. Then the wheels came off ..

He was a leader after the bad snap .. It was nice to see he matured and is now a team leader ..

Had a lot of dropped passes early ..

He did not deserve this fate today .. Way to many BIG DROPS ..

Still not a fan .. But he did not play as bad as folks are making it out to be ..

I didnt think RG3 played poorly. The OL and drops were a big part of our downfall. We literally have the worst line in the NFL ... and the most inexperienced WRs.

And then Barnidge was AWFUL ... which makes it worse

Never saw Gary drop one, let alone two like that

Well, if statistics are to be believed, what we saw today is the exception and not the rule.

Hopefully he bounces back.

i hope so

The Good:
Game Day Pass- it only took 30 minutes to watch that debacle on condensed version.
Nassib
working on another high draft pick

The Bad-
Haden gives up another long TD....
Thomas gives up a sack
the defense still hasn't figured out how to control a TE
the run defense -set up the play action and allowed Wentz to simplify his reads.
the pass defense- just couldn't get the breaks, even when they had good coverage, somehow, the pass was completed.

The Ugly-
rookie QB just about dropped 3 bills on the defense. The sickening thing was he went with his primary read the majority of the time- and just winged it in there.
Too soon to tell how good Wentz will be, but he at least looks like there is potential.

I really believe that Hawkins will be the man out when Gordon returns. (for good, or for ill)

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-football-cle-phi-grades-carson-wentz-stars-nfl-debut/

Many say this but the punter WAS on the field. Inexplicably he was on the left side of the line.

So what you're saying is that punt summarized the game? A complete cluster$&@%

The Good: the Defense looked better than expected. Tackles were made, not missed. Coverage was decent, players were in place to defend. Offensive line play was OK. Ogbah and Nassib looked surprisingly decent.

The Bad: Defense was in position to defend, but seldom to make INTs. They could not come up with the crucial turnover.

The Ugly: The ball snapped over RGIII's head. Hawkins. Barnidge drops.

After the preseason, I was pleasantly surprised. I thought the offense would do better, but the safety was clearly a turning point. The Defense played much better than I thought they would, until they wore down, but even then they played better than in preseason. I think they will improve as the season goes on. I was actually encouraged by what I saw.

so obviously RG3 didn't grade out very well LOL wow

I cant even watch those clips/breakdowns. It makes me more angry

Good: We have some players who have promise on D.

Bad: RGIII's touch, drops, dbacks.

Ugly: 2 shotgun snap safeties in 5 game

I saw Campbell and Kindred at least make a few tackles, which is nice

I saw Shelton take on double teams ... and get some penetration with single blocks, which is nice

I agree. We all recognize (or should) that this is a learning process and it is going to take time...

the scary part for me Vers ... Our coaching staff appeared to have been out coached by a mile .. It was the first game so they get a pass but Hue looked like a first year/rookie coach not someone who had experience running the ship ..

- we did not execute well, I know we're young but we were SLOPPY .. Looked disjointed ..
- to many gimmicks, to much BS early in the game ..
.... The fake punt was a HORRIBLE design ... We only HAD 10 MEN ON THE FILED! And if your going to run from that formation with the punter on the field and your going to put him on the line out of the huddle .. SPLIT HIM OUT SIDE .. Make him bring a defender with him .. WHO THE F IS THE PUNTER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK?????

I hope this was just a case of a very young team and first game slopiness on our part ..

Hue is the only one in our mgmt. team I really have any hope in .. He's the only horse much less thoroughbred in our barn ..

Am I being to hard here? ..

I agree with U that this is a season for learning .. Unfortunately for some that reality just hit home yesterday ..

I was however VERY DISSAPOINTED .. I told my brother after the game I was very DISSAPOINTED in our performance .. He asked how that was possible since my expectations were a few floors below the basement ..

I didn't/don't expect much ... But I thought this was our best shot at a W .. And we got our asses kicked on both sides of the ball ....

This could very well be the only W they get all year .. There not a good football team ..

I was trying to hurry when I posted this last night during a lull between the 4:00 games and the NE/AZ game. I forgot a couple of things and I also wanna respond to a few comments that were made.

--I forgot to add T. Williams to the bad list. He is who he is and that is bad.

--Greco got destroyed on one play by Cox, but the latter is a great player. Overall, Greco played an outstanding game.

--I was pleasantly surprised w/Paztor. He struggled late, but the game was out of hand at that point. He played decently.

--Bittonio played much better than he did last year.

--The OL was not terrible. They are going to get crucified this year for some reasons that are not their fault. Think of the OL w/Frye vs DA and the OL w/Weeden vs Hoyer.

--RGIII holds it too long and gives up on his protection too early. He's gotta learn to stand in there.

--On the other hand, RGIII showed good leadership and toughness.

--Barnidge may have dropped two, but it was a huge mistake to abandon him. We gotta get him the ball. He was open so many times. He is your best friend when the rush is coming.

--I thought Ogbah flashed at the very beginning of the game, but melted into the field turf shortly thereafter. Not sure why so many people are including him w/Nassib????

--I am also not feeling the love for the safeties. Dudes are wretched in coverage.

hue seemed to be outsmarting himself. almost like we were trying to be too slick. I think that led to some sloppiness. Too much shifting and offset formations ... and the execution was also poor

That could be true, but if Coleman could catch, we would have had a big play on the one where we only had 3 0-linemen tight.

Which reminds me, I thought we could have exploited that zone read/slant option MUCH more. That was a play they couldn't stop.

Good
Nassib. Kindred showed off some physical attributes.
TP blocking was nice to see.

Bad
RGIII accuracy on smaller WRs
Coleman

Ugly
The defense as a group unit, about all there is to say
RGIIIs ability to stay healthy
All the drops. Gary of all people
Hues fake punt, wtf was that? Stupid


All in all, the feeling whether you want to even watch the next game is already knocking on the door. This is a very raw and horrible football team.

I've been thinking about this.......even before yesterday's game.

A lot of people have bought into the new plan completely. I do see a couple of flaws.

1. We have 13 rookies and several 2nd year players. What happens when their contracts all come up in back-to-back year? We will more than likely lose some of the better guys in free agency and the excuse makers will say it wasn't the fault of the front office because the guys wanted to leave. Well, I think it is a problem to not a variety of experience on your roster and to have some flexibility in handling contracts.

2. This one addresses the point you two made. We all expect the Browns to lose this year. Most expect the Browns to lose next year. What are we building? An atmosphere and culture of losing? Not sure if you guys played sports, but continued losing is not a recipe for success.

I have a serious question for you guys. How many players do we have on our roster that have won playoff games? I don't think it is too many. How do you build a winning culture w/guys who have only experienced losing?

I don't want to get into a big argument about this [Grimm and crew,] rather I just want some of you to at least take the time to contemplate the question.

The UGLY...we had him but being the Browns, management had a better idea.

How valuable is a "franchise QB"?

Pick the right guy and you set your team up for the next 10yrs. How valuable is that?...is it worth a first round pick?...is it worth two first round picks?

How valuable is a franchise QB...for the Browns, a franchise QB is priceless.

I have a suggestion for Jimmy Haslam...the search team that helped Haslam find a HC...hire them to draft the Browns a franchise QB next year because it is obvious that the group in charge of judging talent is not fit to judge QB talent.

But at this point, it is not all about the W/L column. Rather it is learning, accumulating experience and development. Competency and consistency. The odd win here and there makes no difference (except in draft position) as we are not playoff bound this season...

That is a valid point. I am expecting that the last half or third of this season, we will be showing improved play and that we may win 2 or 3 games late in the year. For young guys, even a couple of wins will show that they can do it and that the rising sun is on the horizon. A new guy is added to the squad - Mo Mentum.

Yep. And after a few games, I can't read the articles either. It's just the same thing year after year - losing.

Yep. Sums it up. I watched more of yesterday's game than I normally would've, but that was because it was the opener. When they start getting routed, it's easy for me to turn on another game, or like I did yesterday... went to Advanced Auto and bought all new filters and changed them out. Browns Sundays are not worth keeping fully engaged.

This year, they look worse too.

nothing aggravates me more than when I read an article that says "There were some good things ..." after a loss. It's just garbage. Same stuff for 17 years.

The Good:

Nassib has the makings of a very good player.

Pryor had a nice catch.

The Bad:

RGIII still cannot step up and throw from the pocket.

The Browns CBs are terrible.

Coleman letting the ball doink off his hands.

The game plan seemed discombobulated.

The Ugly:

That snap from Erving. Oof.

The fake punt. I'm not sure what the hell that was.
We Chuck Pagano'd the fake punt.

The good...our punter attempted to tackle Sproles on his killer punt return...

The bad...the talent on this team is so inferior...dead last roster (49ers are right near there too)

The ugly...Will it get alot better anytime soon? I doubt it...organization can't draft anyone worthy of their draft selection, and can't lure any upper echelon FAs

LOL..........I forgot about that. That term should become popular on all sports-talk shows.

that alignment on the punt was SOOO dumb

We had issues in preseason about trying to get cute and not having the full array of personnel on the field.

We need to hire someone that can count to 11. Harvard degree a requirement.

Find a genetic freak with one extra finger

Nigel's available

I'm having a hard time with this, I agree with every single word of this post including the Wentz thing. I didn't think he or Goff were worth picks that high.. sounds like we were both dead wrong, but it's still early. He was playing the Browns Defense afterall, so there is that.

Let me preface this by saying that the world is not ending. Yes Philly is a rebuilding team just like we are, but they start the rebuilding with the second best o-line in football and a defensive front 7 that is a top 5 unit. We are starting a ton of rookies and with rookies come growing pains.


The Good:

Pryor is our best WR. He runs good routes, fights for the ball, catches everything, and even blocks well. He is much farther along than I expected him to be.

Hats off to Danny Shelton, who played the best game I've seen him play yet. He still has a way to go, but if he keeps up that intensity he will get better. In fact the Defensive front 7 as a whole looked really good against a great Eagles offensive line.

Also the offensive line, particularly the middle, played really well for the most part. They started to break down toward the end of the game, but that was when the Eagles were able to pin their ears back. Erving had a surprisingly solid game other than the bad snap.

Our safeties overall looked pretty good and did well in run support. Nothing spectacular, but nothing that was a liability either.


The Bad:

Hue's QB choices so far. I was one of the people that didn't want to risk taking Wentz at the #2 spot. I had Wentz rated above Goff, but would have preferred Lynch with our second pick or Dak Prescott even later. Hue preferred Goff and when he wasn't there we traded down. Wentz had a great first game and showed poise. It looks like he is a keeper. We wound up reaching for a QB that I wasn't very fond of, Cody Kessler. Dak Prescott also looked pretty good in his debut despite Zeke Elliot having a less than stellar running game to compliment him. I didn't question Hue's signing of RG3, in fact, I thought it was a good idea. I did get a bit of a shock when he was named a starter so early though. There are a lot of things that need to be fixed with him and I just didn't believe that all of those things were fixed when he was named the starter. Hue has dumbed down his reads but he is still slow in recognition. His mechanics did look better in the pre-season, but in game one he slipped back to his old form. Also his accuracy was much better before, particularly on his long ball, but that has been off since the beginning of pre-season. That could be because he is still working on mechanics and I hope that is the case. I think that we would have won this first game if McCown was starting at QB.

General sloppiness. This is expected by this many rookies and can only be fixed with time.

The case of the dropsies. It was expected from Coleman being a rookie, but Barnidge didn't do the team any favors on Sunday.


The Ugly:

Another bad snap by Erving. This is a mental issue. He is so worried about his assignment and making line adjustments that he forgets his own mechanics.

Our corners are horrible. I don't know what percentage of plays that we were in a Nickle defense, but it was probably the most we have played Nickle in history. Tramon Williams plays the Nickle spot worse than he did on the Right. Taylor is a Nickle CB at best. I think it's time to switch those two back to their normal spots. Hayden is still a step slow coming off his ankle injury. He may have re-tweeked that ankle as well so this might be a long season.



Your first worry shouldn't be an issue if our plan is working properly. The fact that all of these first and second year players have won jobs is a reflection on how weak this roster was to begin with. Some of these guys will be here long enough to play out their contract, but a lot will not. We will have just as many, if not more draft picks in the next draft and all of those guys will be fighting for roster spots as well. If we keep drafting well, we might wind up with a handful of really good players that need to be resigned 5 years from now, but that is a good problem to have.

As to your second point, Here are two teams ready to make the next step.

The Oakland Raiders
2012 4-12
2013 4-12
2014 3-13
2015 7-9
My 2016 prediction 10-6

The Jacksonville Jaguars
2012 2-14
2013 4-12
2014 3-13
2015 5-11
My 2016 prediction 8-8

Oakland and Jacksonville have followed the same path that we are following. Jacksonville has spent some money in FA in the last couple of years, but I also think that they are a year behind Oakland in becoming a team that could go far in the playoffs.

Oakland's top players Derek Carr, Kahlil Mack, Amari Cooper are all young draft choices that are home grown.

The Jags' top players Blake Bortles, Jalen Ramsey, Allen Robinson, Dante Fowler Jr. are all young draft choices that are home grown.

You can have all the winning culture that you want and still lose if you don't have enough young and cheap talent to build on.

in the cases of OAK and JAX, they also invested in a HIGH 1st round QB. Something we didn't do this past year, and as of now, looks to be the wrong decision.

Yes but they invested in other pieces first.

Both QB's were drafted in 2014. No use drafting a guy that gets killed before you can build a team around him. (see Tim Couch)

Carr was a second rounder.

We passed on him not 1, not 2, but 3 times.

And not only did we pass him by, but we traded up in the first for this guy:

Omg, hahahahhahahaha.

Being a huge fan of the Chappelle Show, that picture is just completely hilarious to me. I'm actually still laughing in my office. Shocked Noone has came in here yet to see what the scoop is.

Funny post bro, ty!

Good argument, but both Oakland and Jax have brought in free agents to help their young players.

Recently yes, as we will once we have some young talent.

I think the Jags actually made a mistake by signing some good but not great guys to some huge contracts as well and that is going to make it harder for them to get to the next level and not easier.

Except they rolled over their cap room (like we will be doing) and still have a ton of room.

The good ....

#1 - Carl Nassib. This kid was everywhere.
#2 - Pryor made a great catch along the sideline.
#3 - Corey Coleman made a great play on what was a terrible throw and decision.
#4 - I thought our young pass rushers looked OKAY ... Still need someone to separate themselves from the pack. (looks like that'll be Nassib very soon).

The bad ....

#1 - RG3 was injured in garbage time. That's incredibly frustrating.
#2 - The run defense was inconsistent. That's being nice.
#3 - RG3's accuracy looked terrible. Part of that I'm sure was the offensive line, but he had some awful looking throws.

The ugly ....

#1 - The pass defense was atrocious, just as I've been predicting it would be for the last two weeks.
#2 - The offensive line struggled, big time.
#3 - The lack of a run game, or attempt to even run was disturbing.
#4 - Where the hell was Duke Johnson?


We're in for a long, painful season.

Good: nassib and kindred, who came up and made a nice one-on-one tackle early on. I turned to my buddy and said "he will be starting in 2017 if not before."

Pryor looks like he belongs as an NFL receiver.
OL wasn't that bad, I thought. Thomas' guy getting by him for a sack wasn't all on Joe.
Duke made some plays for us.
DL played well at times but early on the Eagles were getting five, six yards on 1st-down run plays.

Bad & Ugly:

Our secondary looked terrible, RG3 had some good and bad moments, but those drops were drive killers, stealers of momentum and confidence. Griffin is not a pocket passer, it's just not in him to be good at it consistently.

The fake punt was not only a dumb idea at that point, it was poorly designed - punter at the line?
Not a good decision with a young team, on the road when facing a rookie QB - we made it too easy for him.

I'm not too bummed about the game cuz we are just getting a foundation beneath us. We will lose a lot of games this season, so fans need to temper their expectations and expect some lumps.

It theoretically could be an issue, but I don't expect it will be. We'll only keep the best of the bunch and replace the rest with cheaper rookies. You can also theoretically stagger the cap hits based upon front-loading, rear-loading, etc. Hopefully the FO and Hue will have better relationships with their players and more will want to stay. Of course that would depend on continuity.



I expect progress. I don't expect us to lose next year. It was not an auspicious start, but I'm going to try not to over-react to one game. The Brown's organization is saying the right things about playing to win, but yeah, definitely gonna have to see that on the field. We've had a culture of losing, that's hard to change. Hue is preaching winning every day and always getting better. We definitely got bum rushed by the Eagles, but we could bounce back. I think the Eagles D is gonna be one of the top D's in the League this season. I had forgotten that they had signed McLeod. He and Jenkins were covering a lot of ground on the back end. I actually thought we kept Cox pretty quiet.



I didn't know I had a crew.

The lack of playoff experience is pretty stomach-turning. I suppose we need to concentrate on making the playoffs before we worry too much about experience there, though...I want to add luckily there, but I guess it's really not.

We'll have to build it (a winning culture) from the ground up with the HC setting the tone/standard. Make the playoffs and get the young guys experience. Rinse and repeat kind of like Cinci. Hopefully with a little fewer experiences with early exits. We need everybody to hold strong and not get beaten down by early struggles and negativity. Whether or not that is possible remains to be seen.

The Good

Cam Erving looked much better. Yes he had the bad snap, he whiffed on one block, and got pancaked by a D-lineman once lol But other than those three plays he actually played well.

Nassib looked really good again. Rushing the passer, knocking down passes, and playing the run. The kid is looking really good so far.

Pryors ability to adjust to the long pass and go up and get it. His blocking skills, his route running, and even his hands are much better than I thought they would be at this point.

The bad

Barnidge dropping both passes. Then RGIII ignoring him the rest of the game.

RGIII's play in the pocket. Holding the ball way to long. not running when he did have open lanes to run into, missing open receivers.

The ugly

They completely screwed up fake punt.

Our Defense once again.

I am going to start a thread about "the plan" in PFF shortly. I hope we all can have an intelligent conversation.

Mac makes posts that rarely demonstrate intelligent conversation and you praise him. Oldcold has made a couple of posts asking for patience and you blast him. As long as we are "hoping" for things in your new thread, I'm hoping you don't continue to do this.

I don't praise mac. I don't even agree w/him. I am just tired of how so many are ganging up on him.

I did not blast OCD for preaching patience. I blasted him for blaming the fans for the Brown's problems.

I hope you learn to read better before replying on the proposed thread.

Vers - not sure where it's at but I wanted to address your losing culture post ..

I agree before u win u have to create a winning culture .. I get it .. I understand it .. We're in a re-build .. In stage 1 of a re-BUILD your going to lose and your going to lose a whole hell of a lot .. Hopefully this group (my heart is shining typing that CAUE IMO this FO has ZERO SHOT) gets us to the next step witch is bringing in some vets who have won to teach the young TALENTED kids how to win, therefore creating the winning environment we both know ALMOST ALWAYS PROCEEDS winning ..

I think this FO is doomed to fail .. But they have done a few things right IMO and I may disagree with some of the other things they've done but I can understand why they did them .. Just a difference of opinion .. Will save that for your thread about the plan ..

I see no viable alternative in creating the winning environment now that doesn't put a MAJOR DENT into the re-BUILD ..

Do u have a viable alternative that does not slow down the re-BUILD?

I haven't made the thread yet, bro.

I did have an ulterior plan, but it's too late for that.

I have just been giving a lot of thought to the claims of many posters who say that "the Brown's FO has a solid plan in place."

I get the plan and it can work. However, I think there are 3 things that can derail that plan. I am not saying that they will happen for certain. I am saying that an inquisitive mind analyzes, predicts, and evaluates all aspects of any particular plan.

I'm looking forward to hearing your comments when I make that thread. Oh, and bro............many will think that my sole intent will be to bad-mouth the FO, but that is not the case. I actually have more hope for the FO/Hue than you do....LOL. I just like discussing such things.

Here's a quick advanced statistical snapshot of the Browns from Football Outsiders:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

Overall Defense ranking 32nd

Pass defense ranking: 27th

Run defense: 19th

I can post the individual grades from PFF if anyone is curious about what they graded

I am interested. I always like to compare their grades to what I saw.

well nowhere to go but up

I don't think the 32 is actual overall rank. It is what they forecast our defense to be over the course of the season with 90% of that value coming from their preseason projections for us (what they call defense Dave).

Our DVOA (which is closer to overall rank, I think) for week 1 was 23rd at 15.4%. (negative numbers are better for defensive DVOA so we still weren't good.)

Indy posted a 42.7% DVOA which is terrible. The worst teams are usually around 30%.

Yes, you are right about their 32nd overall ranking is projection based.


The run defense was decent all things considered....we'll see what it looks like now with Horton's tinkering with lineup and remove Cooper for Nassib.

I think its a mistake that addresses the wrong problem. I think they really need to address the coverage issues. In stead of messing with the personnel in the front 7 I would change the scheme on the back half and play more 2-deep coverages that give our CBs help as opposed to Cover-1/Cover 3 schemes.

Imo playing Single high safety leaves our CBs too exposed AND switching out Nassib in those schemes weakens the strength of Single high schemes which is run stopping.

Neither here nor there but I think the run game could be even better if Davis had speed/range. I still think the best ILB tandem on this team would be Kirksey/Schobert.

run defense has been surprisingly good compared to what i expected

but overall, we still can't get off the field and don't have any playmakers

I agree w/you about the corners. They play soft.

There is a problem w/our safeties, too. None of them have very good range. I have seen where people wanna play Campbell and the rookie together. Both are SS types and the lack of field coverage would be even less than it is now w/Poyer.

Playing Cover 2 might help disguise those weaknesses, but then we would be taking Campbell out of the box and the run defense might suffer.

Overall, I think that you brought up an interesting idea. I will try and watch those guys closer this week. It's just so hard to watch individual players on D anymore. The cameras cut away so fast to show yet another graphic or promo for a show or a coach's/QB face that it is sometimes hard to tell who is whom.

For me the safety play was much better then CBs. I wouldn't put their evaluation on the same level at all because the CB play was terrible and S play was decent.

All of them have good speed. Now whether or not they have the insticts and discipline is a question that only time can answer. But, they have ample speed to cover ground. I remember my little layman's couch "scouting" of Campbell 2 years ago and Kindred last year and thought both could play 1/2 field cover 2 safety. I think both suffer from sterotyping/labeling that happens with some college "strong safeties". I remember getting into discussions about Eric Reid and Adrain Amos specifically. Both were college "strong safeties" that I considered to be able to play Strong and Free Safeties and both were able to make that transition in the NFL.

Actually on Jordan Matthews TD from the slot probably could be a negative play on IC he was playing centerfield FS and for some reason stopped his feet in the middle of the field looking at the TE (but both ILB were in the middle of the field) instead of continuing to back peddle then get over top the slot defender. But it wasn't a negative of range/speed it was a negative on recognition/discipline which would be reduced w/ playing half field as opposed to center field.


Playing Campbell and Kindred together is interesting, but I'm not sure why Kindred would vault over Poyer? According to Horton Kindred will play some which I like dude is very aggressive and physical safety play can set the tone and give the defense a boost/swagger. But, I wouldn't start him over Poyer at this point.

I'm not sure what you expect from our single deep FS in terms of coverage. Often times they're only responsible for the middle 1/3 or providing over top help to a certain side/player. So I wouldn't say that Poyer lack's range either.

Yes. Playing cover 2 would likely impact have a negative impact on the run game. But, the onus would be on Campbell to be very disciplined in his run/pass keys and to see come up and play aggressive/physical in the run game. Over the years there have been solid run teams that play predominately cover 2.

Playing cover 2 would shift some of the responsibility for deep coverage and making plays on the ball away from the CBs and onto the shoulders of the safeties and the "hole" LB.

That's why got nflgame pass, the all-22 answers a lot of questions that the TV field doesn't show. If you every have a question about the coverage of a couple/few specific plays let me know, I would be happy to post screen caps (or maybe one day learn how to post gifs).



How do you feel about the supposed move to Nassib to 5-tech/34 DE?

I strongly disagree on this one. The two young safeties are straight line runners and do not have the hip flexibility to change directions smoothly. I am not in the practice of sterotyping anyone, never mind safeties.




Uhmmmm........not really sure about this one. My instincts tell me that he might get exposed in the running game, but he surprised me last week w/his instincts, so I will w/hold judgement.

Are you saying that S play was bad last game?

I will agree that IC and Kindred don't have the most fluid hips I've seen but imo they certainly have enough to play the position. For me watching them on all-22 their success/failure will depend on their recognition and discipline. The mistakes that I see aren't due to a lack of physical talent (i.e. change of direction/speed/range). Neither here nor there but those physical shortcoming are evident in the play of D. Davis.

Me too. I think its a mistake to play Nassib at 5-tech due to his size and playing style but again time will tell (if they even play him at 5-tech)

It's one game and I will keep an eye on it, but in my opinion, the entire secondary was sub-par in terms of coverage.

They get worked in space. They have a really hard time on crossing routes. We just do not have a lot of guys w/coverage ability. I like the aggressiveness of the two young dudes on tackling, but they really seem stiff in coverage.

It's early. I'll keep an eye on it and I am sure you will, too.

The good: This was game one season one......
The bad: This was game one season one....
The ugly: RG3 getting hurt. He has a lot of work to do in his reformation and he's not able to for 8 weeks or longer.... that sucks. I don't know if he can become an NFL quarterback but I do know he put in the work. He changed from the selfish diva to a leader of men. Every coach said he had worked very hard. He did everything they asked and then some.... That is the ugly thing about this sport. Injury ends seasons and sometimes it ends dreams.