I am perfectly ok having a discussing, but making it a piss in match it not something I care to really do. Tired of the "gotcha" post on here. So lets both stop the snarky back and forth and discuss like adults - as I think you and I agree with more than you might think in general.
however, the counter point is this: how many of those states already struggle with their own legal population?
This is absolutely a problem in a LOT of areas, and a lot of HEAVILY RED and HEAVILY BLUE areas. Its also been funny to me, that it seems like the cities and areas that are VASTLY right or left - are typically the areas that have problems financially. Weird huh?
Think about the ironies below:
Bumpile alabama probably has the highest rate of Obama care receipients and have a ton of welfare abusers, yet scream about them all the time.
LA I would argue has this issue as well, and the left screams about wealth inequality, yet their flagship city has the largest wealth inequality probably in the world. lol.
But back to your statement quoted above, why add to it?
there's a lot of states in this country who need illegals simply to produce for their GDP, or they'd be worse off than they are now.
I don't like this line of thinking. Not arguing its false, but I truly do not want the reason to have illegal immigrants here simply because "they produce for their GDP".
Pitt and I discussed before, I believe BUSINESS' should be highly penalized for the use of illegal immigrant labor. Its taking advantage of people, plain and simple.
and please dont come with this "humane" BS, willit
I addressed that above, I was taking a shot at a gotcha moment at you. We go back and forth, I know your a decent guy though. I know your a family man. It was a low blow, I apologize for that.
you support deregulation and such that has devastated our communities by rich people taking jobs from the US and giving them to foreigners thousands of miles away.
I will differ on this, I believe that REGULATIONS are the reasons business are taking their work outside of the country. Needless red tape, attorney's, and idiotic guidelines have made business very costly to conduct in the US. Sure, there are other reasons to factor - there is never a single reason for anything - but its a big reason.
I will give you an example. I am in banking. Lets look at the Frank Dodd Act. In theory, it has a lot of great parts. Prevents banks from getting too big to fail, etc. I will even admit it did some good. But the problem with that act, was that it put a VERY large expense on banks to adhere to the guidelines set in it. Banks had to rewrite policy, adjust their lending guidelines, rework their products, hire attorneys, litigation fees, etc. So your smaller banks - they really couldn't afford this. Thousands if not more went under, and then you were left with - well, mainly the too big to fail banks lol.
Now, I don't believe that there should be 0 regulations, either. I am for common sense regulations.
the humane thing IS to keep them here,
I have never once argued that we deport the illegal immigrants here. I think there is a big misconception with a lot of people on the board that argue against illegal immigration. Although I am against illegal immigration, I absolutely understand you cannot just pick up 11 million people and boot them out, you literally physically cannot, even IF I wanted to do that. lol.
We have to come up with a way to figure that out. either by giving them a pathway to citizenship, or allowing them become citizens X where they have just about the same rights - minus the right to vote. Because lets face it, for the left and right politicians, that's the issue. While we sit here an argue whats best to do for THEM as a people - they are arguing how to make it so it benefits keeping them in power.
i would like them to be legal citizens as well, but unfortunately the way the immigration system is set up....that aint gonna happen anytime soon. so the next best thing is to...kick the can down the road.
This is answered as part of my above reply.
I am tired of kicking the can down the road man. That literally is what both sides want. They just want to keep kicking so you, me, clem, 40, all keep on keeping on fighting back and forth while they all pretend to care about "what is right". Im gonna let you in a secret, bro.
While we are arguing on this board, they are on TV fighting back and forth - I would not be surprised in ol' Nancy and trump turn the camera off, have a glass of whiskey together and laugh as they all count the money they are getting together.
You see, most people see left and right politicians. I see one group working together to keep us all down and fighting while they abuse the power we give them.