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The Trump family has trouble with depositions. In 2007 testimony, Donald Trump was repeatedly shown to be a liar. In February, Donald Trump Jr. was deposed in the Trump inauguration scandal lawsuit, and on several key points, under oath, he provided false testimony. A review of documents filed in that case and other material obtained by Mother Jones shows that Ivanka Trump also testified inaccurately during her deposition in this lawsuit.
The inauguration probe was launched last year by Karl Racine, the attorney general of Washington, DC. He has alleged that Trump’s inauguration committee misused charitable funds to enrich the Trump family. As Racine put it, the lawsuit maintains “that the Inaugural Committee, a nonprofit corporation, coordinated with the Trump family to grossly overpay for event space in the Trump International Hotel… The Committee also improperly used non-profit funds to throw a private party [at the Trump Hotel] for the Trump family costing several hundred thousand dollars.” In short, the attorney general accused the Trump gang of major grifting, and he is seeking to recover the money paid to the Trump Hotel so those funds can be used for real charitable purposes.
During a December 1 deposition—in which she swore to tell the truth—Ivanka Trump, the eldest daughter of Donald Trump who was an executive at the Trump Organization before becoming a White House adviser to her father, was asked if she had any “involvement in the process of planning the inauguration.” She replied, “I really didn’t have an involvement.” Ivanka testified that if her “opinion was solicited” regarding an inauguration event, she “would give feedback to my father or to anyone who asked my perspective or opinion.” And that was as far as her participation went.
But this wasn’t accurate, according to the documents, which indicate she was part of the decision-making for various aspects of the inauguration, including even the menus for events.
One email chain shows that Ivanka Trump was directly involved in the planning of at least one proposed event for the inauguration. On November 29, 2016, Rick Gates, then the deputy chairman of the Presidential Inauguration Committee (known as the PIC), emailed her the current schedule of inauguration events. He noted that Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a lead producer working with the PIC, “is going to call you to discuss some additional ideas she has about some other events that we would like to see if you would be willing to do based on our meetings.” Ivanka replied to Gates and Winston Wolkoff, “Great. I am looping in my assistant Suzie who can coordinate a time for us to connect.”
A few days later, Winston Wolkoff sent a long “Dear Ivanka and Jared” email to Ivanka Trump and her husband. She thanked them for “our meeting yesterday” and presented them with a “high-level summary” of the inauguration plans “for your review.” This was a detailed report on the assorted events and themes being created for Trump’s inauguration. The “overarching strategic objective,” she reported, was “reinforcing” the theme “With the People: Making America Great.” She laid out “key” messages, including “Our greatest strength is our people” and “Americans deserve to be heard, and their government needs to listen.” She noted that in their recent meeting, she and Ivanka Trump had discussed how to include Donald Trump’s “constituency” in the events, and Winston Wolkoff referred to proposals for doing so. This included inviting “families from all 50 states to attend official functions” and provide them “Airfare. Accommodations. Hair & makeup.”
In this email, Winston Wolkoff also asked Ivanka to confirm that she would host a “Women’s Entrepreneurs Reception/Dinner” as part of the inauguration. “Please let me know who…you would like invited,” she added. And she asked whether Ivanka Trump would prefer for the event to be hosted at the National Museum of African American History or the National Gallery of Art. Winston Wolkoff also attached to the email the communications strategy for the inauguration, the proposed event schedule, and a list of the “100 most influential women in Business, Philanthropy, Fashion, Politics and Finance.” She ended the note saying she would “follow up” with them “at TT”—a reference to Trump Tower.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...n-scandal-case/
Trump Org lawyers make last pitch against prosecutionNEW YORK (AP) — Lawyers for the Trump Organization met again Monday with prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office in a last bid to forestall a potential indictment stemming from a long-running investigation into the former president’s company.
Trump Organization lawyer Ron Fischetti told The Associated Press the meeting came as a grand jury nears a vote on an indictment this week following a more than two-year investigation into Trump’s business affairs.
He said prosecutors have told him Trump himself will not be charged at this time — “at least not with what’s coming down this week” — but added the investigation is continuing.
“There is no indictment coming down this week against the former president,” Fischetti said in a telephone interview Monday. “I can’t say he’s out of the woods yet completely.”
The Manhattan district attorney’s office declined to comment.
The former Republican president, however, issued a blistering statement in which he derided District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.’s office as “rude, nasty, and totally biased in the way they are treating lawyers, representatives, and some of the wonderful long-term employees and people within the Trump Organization.”
“After hundreds of subpoenas, over 3 million pages of documents, 4 years of searching, dozens and dozens of interviews, and millions of dollars of taxpayer funds wasted, they continue to be ‘in search of a crime,’” Trump alleged, calling the investigation a “continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt of all time.”
In recent months, investigators in Vance’s office have focused on fringe benefits the company gave to top executives, such as use of apartments, cars and school tuition.
Investigators have scrutinized Trump’s tax records, subpoenaed documents and interviewed witnesses, including Trump insiders and company executives.
Another person familiar with the investigation confirmed there were communications between defense lawyers and prosecutors on Monday. The person declined to give any details of the talks.
Such final exchanges are considered formalities that rarely change the course of an investigation in a late stage, suggesting the grand jury is near a vote.
The person was not authorized to discuss the case and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Fischetti, who did not attend Monday’s meeting, said the gathering had been arranged “for the Trump Organization — not Donald Trump himself.”
“We’re just waiting,” Fischetti said, adding he expects to know this week whether charges will be brought.
The prospective charges this week, he said, “are limited to a couple of Trump Org employees who didn’t declare taxes on fringe benefits” they received. The company itself also could be charged, he added.
Lawyers representing Donald Trump’s company also met virtually with prosecutors for more than 90 minutes last Thursday.
It isn’t illegal for a company to offer employees tuition help, lease them cars or let them use company-owned apartments, but such arrangements can be subject to income tax.
Fischetti has called the possibility of charges “absolutely outrageous” and politically motivated. He said it would be extremely unusual for prosecutors to seek criminal charges over unpaid tax on fringe benefits.
Some of the scrutiny has been focused on longtime Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg.
Vance’s investigation of Weisselberg, 73, stemmed in part from questions about his son’s use of a Trump apartment at little or no cost, cars leased for the family and tuition payments made to a school attended by Weisselberg’s grandchildren.
Weisselberg’s attorney, Mary Mulligan, has declined to comment.
In addition to fringe benefits, prosecutors have looked into whether the Trump Organization lied about the value of real estate holdings to lower taxes or to obtain bank loans or insurance policies on favorable terms. They have also looked into the company’s role in paying hush money to two women who say Trump had affairs with them, accusations Trump has denied.
https://apnews.com/article/business-government-and-politics-86583e828e544d1ec21775e9278b3030
They appear to be a family of Grifters.
They have been saying this for a couple of weeks now.. Crap or get off the pot already.
Weiselberg has apparently surrendered this morning at 6:15am
This is going to be a non-story unless they have something big to use a leverage to make him flip. Prefer to hear less about it until that happens, otherwise Drumf just becomes a bigger victim.
This is going to be a non-story unless they have something big to use a leverage to make him flip. Prefer to hear less about it until that happens, otherwise Drumf just becomes a bigger victim.
You are probably right about that. I'm wondering if that's the reason for the delay in the indictment.. I mean, to be sure they have enough to get him to flip..
Perfect. Just like trump university. No law or rules apply to trump.
Cut in line push others aside. Lead a insurrection.
Cheat on taxes. Claim you win a election you lost.
Get impeached twice. Lie continuously on every topic.
Cheat on his pregnant wife. Stick common people who performed work on his properties.
Anything he has been involved with has in some way been corrupted. He lied about covid. He lied about hydroxychloroquine. He is directly responsible for a large percentage of the deaths from covid. His no mask stance and on and on.
What a resume.
And there are people who believe him.
WC Fields - "you can fool some of the people some of the time and that's enough to make a decent living."
Today a report came out. Historians from all different political backgrounds ranked trump as tied for the fourth worst president in history.
There were ten criterion used to measure the rankings.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021...-newday-vpx.cnn
In another survey, CNN presidential historian Tim Naftali was ranked the 5th worst historian in history.
I am not saying this to support President Trumps place in history. I am simply saying this is simply a subjective poll that holds no weight.
Pretty sure I just posted about how people like to dismiss experts and about confirmation bias . . . and yes, I would class historians as experts in their field.
You did....and my comment is somewhat in jest, but to point out that history changes over time and changes with who and how you ask the questions any time you start ranking historical figures. It's kind of like ranking baseball players or the best and worst QB's of all-time.
In another survey, CNN presidential historian Tim Naftali was ranked the 5th worst historian in history.
I am not saying this to support President Trumps place in history. I am simply saying this is simply a subjective poll that holds no weight.
Can you show proof of that, or should we just chalk it up to you trying to be funny and missing the mark again
You did....and my comment is somewhat in jest, but to point out that history changes over time and changes with who and how you ask the questions any time you start ranking historical figures. It's kind of like ranking baseball players or the best and worst QB's of all-time.
That's fair enough. But I don't believe Trump is due for a metamorphic rise in the rankings... he may get to 7th or 10th worst ... but then he may slip and go down too.
One of the biographers of a trump book said after the charges were filed against the organization and the CFO that this pretty much cements the fact that trump will run in 2024. Whether to keep stringing along the base for more money or to keep saying this is all political because he will say he won in 2020 and they aren't going to take 24 away from him or if somehow he becomes president again, he would be able to skirt the charges again because he would be president.
And trump was on hannity last night and just about said that there is going to be an announcement coming soon. Whether he runs for the house in 22 to try to be speaker (he could be appointed speaker of the house without holding office) or runs again for president-NPR said this morning that it pretty much seems like he is going to announce soon he is running for something.
July 1, 2021
Trump must be extremely clean if this is all the NY prosecutors came up with
By Jack Hellner
After years of prosecutors targeting Trump in search of a crime, Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg "surrendered early Thursday to New York authorities for arraignment in the first criminal indictment arising from a two-year investigation into the former president's company," according to the AP.
The charges relate to paying perks for executives without showing those perks on their W-2 forms and paying income taxes and payroll taxes on those perks.
I bet the WaPo, NYT, and other media outlets will have trouble finding those charges against other corporations, so I am sure they will advocate for going after all corporations and entities for this crime because they always want equal treatment under the law, don't they?
All corporations, including the WaPo and the NYT, should now be investigated to make sure that no executives ever get free stuff, like country club dues or special transportation, without paying income and payroll taxes.
Since the Trump organization got in trouble for paying private tuition, every university that gives free or subsidized tuition to its administrators and professors will now be charged with a crime, and the perk will be cut off. Does anyone think that will happen?
Every airline that gives free flights to its employees and family members will have to stop giving that perk, won't it, since there is no legitimate business purpose for that expense?
Pelosi and other members of Congress will now have to pay full freight every time a family member goes on a flight on a government-owned plane. Why do taxpayers have to pay for this largesse in the first place?
The bill to Joe Biden and the government will be massive for all the flights Hunter took on Air Force 2 as he was going overseas to line up as many kickbacks as he could from foreign countries and companies. After all, Joe said he never talked with Hunter about anything concerning his business dealings, so there is no way his presence on all those flights could have had any legitimate business purpose.
Donald Trump must be extremely clean because, after years of targeted investigations by the IRS, the FBI, the media, Congress, and N.Y. prosecutors, this is all they could come up with. That is clearly evidence that this was a witch hunt in search of a crime instead of an investigation because there was evidence of a crime.
The DNC and Hillary campaign committees were having so much trouble finding dirt on Trump that they had to pay a foreign national over $10 million to create a fictional dossier to destroy him. The media and other Democrats even had to create the lies about Russian collusion in their efforts to take Trump out. There was never one piece of evidence of Russian collusion, but since Trump's low-tax, smaller-government policies were very popular and were lifting people of all races and all education levels up, he had to be destroyed. After all, the media and other Democrats care about power, not great results, so they had to intentionally mislead the public.
If the FBI, state prosecutors, the IRS, and the intelligence agencies spent their time doing their jobs instead of spending a significant amount of time and resources targeting their political opponents, the government would be much more efficient, and taxpayers would save a lot of money.
Most of the media will still pretend that there is nothing political about the Obama and Biden administrations' IRS and FBI and that the N.Y. prosecutor is honest. I bet if the N.Y. prosecutor's office looked for a few minutes at the Clinton Foundation, it might find inappropriate payments and activity.
Hillary, Biden, Lois Lerner, Comey, McCabe, Holder, and others could violate as many laws as they liked with no repercussions, but the Trump organization is charged with paying inappropriate perks? As the media and other Democrats continue to pretend no one is above the law.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/202...me_up_with.html
I think that anyone that believes this is the end of the trial is totally missing the boat. This is just the beginning.
I think that anyone that believes this is the end of the trial is totally missing the boat. This is just the beginning.
But Cult of Trump has to circle the wagons: Trump is a victim - it's all political - the charges are "nothing" ...
It's kind of like ranking baseball players or the best and worst QB's of all-time.
It is like that. When people ignore facts and words while using hyperbole to bolster an angle it creates a situation where some would probably try to add Tim Tebow to that list. It wouldn't be accurate and it wouldn't be true. But that wouldn't stop them.
It's actually pretty funny. People that actually pay a higher percentage in taxes than Trump, some making very modest wages..... Now suddenly think ripping off the government for well over a million dollars in taxes is nothing.
Maybe they fail to realize that this has been the governments method of prosecuting some of the biggest gangsters this nation has ever known. Tax fraud. Or even more likely yet, maybe they realize it and just don't care.
It's kind of like ranking baseball players or the best and worst QB's of all-time.
It is like that. When people ignore facts and words while using hyperbole to bolster an angle it creates a situation where some would probably try to add Tim Tebow to that list. It wouldn't be accurate and it wouldn't be true. But that wouldn't stop them.
And as usual, you don't understand the point.
It's actually pretty funny. People that actually pay a higher percentage in taxes than Trump, some making very modest wages..... Now suddenly think ripping off the government for well over a million dollars in taxes is nothing.
Maybe they fail to realize that this has been the governments method of prosecuting some of the biggest gangsters this nation has ever known. Tax fraud. Or even more likely yet, maybe they realize it and just don't care.
Isn't this the way they got Al Capone? I wonder how hard it is for some to actually grasp this notion...
They have been saying this for a couple of weeks now.. Crap or get off the pot already.
Well, I guess they crapped,,,,LOL
It's kind of like ranking baseball players or the best and worst QB's of all-time.
It is like that. When people ignore facts and words while using hyperbole to bolster an angle it creates a situation where some would probably try to add Tim Tebow to that list. It wouldn't be accurate and it wouldn't be true. But that wouldn't stop them.
And as usual, you don't understand the point.
Sure I do. Some historians will use the facts to arrive at their conclusions and some will romanticize it into what they want you to believe.
Just watch Gone With The Wind and Birth of A Nation for prime examples.
Nothing to see here.
Get ready for Trump in 2024...Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Or sooner...
The first part was probably fine... but where he asked 'does anyone know that stuff' was pretty dumb.... yes... the people who know that stuff are called CPAs... hire one and follow their advice...
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
The first part was probably fine... but where he asked 'does anyone know that stuff' was pretty dumb.... yes... the people who know that stuff are called CPAs... hire one and follow their advice...
Jim Acosta Digs Up Old Trump Boast That Doesn't Sit So Well With His Latest Tax Excuses
Josephine Harvey
Sun, July 4, 2021, 8:51 PM·1 min read
CNN’s Jim Acosta has rolled the tape on Donald Trump after the former president seemed to play foolish about tax laws at a Florida rally on Saturday, following the indictment of his company and one of its top executives last week.
Acosta said on CNN Sunday that Trump mentioned some of the facts of the case but did not actually dispute them. The Trump Organization and its CFO Allen Weisselberg were charged with multiple financial crimes Thursday by the Manhattan district attorney over an alleged tax fraud scheme. Both parties pleaded not guilty.
“They go after good, hard-working people for not paying taxes on a company car. ‘You didn’t pay tax on the car! Or a company apartment! You used an apartment because you need an apartment because you have to travel too far where your house is, you didn’t pay tax, or education for your grandchildren,’” Trump said at the campaign-style rally in Sarasota.
“I don’t even know. Do you have to, does anybody know the answer to that stuff? Okay? But they indict people for that.”
Acosta agreed that the tax code can be confusing. But not for Trump, apparently, according to his multiple past boasts.
The CNN anchor played a clip from May 13, 2016, in which Trump said: “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world.”“I understand the tax laws better than almost anyone[, which is why I’m the one who can truly fix them,” he also said in October of the same year, bragging that he used those laws “brilliantly” to pay as little tax as legally possible.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/jim-acosta-digs-old-trump-005108632.html
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
Horse Poop.
If you don't pay taxes and have a history of Tax avoidance schemes you can't complain if you get prosecuted.
This is like someone pulled over for speeding because they are driving a bright red ferrari ... Yes, lots of people speed and lots of people don't get pulled over. But you don't have a defense for driving 15 mph over the speed limit and you don't get out of a ticket by claiming that you only got pulled over because you have a bright sports car.
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
That was never the calling card of the real Republican party. Up until Trump you didn't play the victim for a con man. You claimed it was only democrats who did that. Maybe now you know how Hillary felt?
No, I don't know how Hillary felt.
I do know that tax evasion charges are the last resort thrown because if nothing else, you can usually find enough dubious dealings to at minimum keep throwing accusations. Especially when a person or company has complicated tax returns.
When you don't have anything else, get the books, surely there is something.
That's how they got Capone too.
That's how they got Capone too.
Yes, I know.
I actually started typing that, but after about a paragraph and maybe needing more decided it was too wordy, and deleted it.
I figured someone would bring that up. It proves my point. When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
You know as well as I do that tax evasion opens the door for testimony which opens up other things.
You make it sound as though they cherry picked to "find something". When as of now it looks for more like a pattern of behavior. But I keep forgetting that when rich people break the law repeatedly, it's picking on them for their crimes. So much for Republicans not playing the victim.
That's how they got Capone too.
Yes, I know.
I actually started typing that, but after about a paragraph and maybe needing more decided it was too wordy, and deleted it.
I figured someone would bring that up. It proves my point. When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
Capone, like trump, was just as sleezy and corrupt. Like Capone, donny has managed to skirt the legal system by having others do his dirty work and take the fall… see everyone around him that’s been indicted. Capone just had them killed. So like sleezy Capone, trump will get his just dues via tax law. I’m fine with it.
Maybe so. With the current mind set in this country, maybe even probably.
You know how it works Portland. When rich people get caught committing rich people crimes, they're the victims.
How many times did trump say he would release his taxes?
When there is a consistent pattern of behavior to follow Why the surprise?
His history has shown a consistent behavior of not believing any rules should apply to him. Law, fraud, corruption, racism, a continious cycle.
Quid pro quo has been a way of life.
He loses the popular vote and becomes president. Once in office nothing changes. Lies, and constant deceit.
Twice impeached.
And he acts like "why are they picking on me?"
Pretty easy answer because he is a criminal.
He just believes he should be able to get away with it because he considers himself privilaged.
that is the trump reality. I am privileged and I should get to do exactly as I want.
hookers, fraud, "I didn't lose the election it was stolen; so I am going to take over the election and make it so I win.
Taxes? "That's for common suckers. Just like serving in the military."
That is who he is.
It proves my point. When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
I see what you are trying to say but I don't think it applies here as much as "This is just the tip of the iceberg" applies. Trump might be the new teflon Don and get away with it all, but lessor (poorer) people have gone to jail for a long time for much less than can already be proven about Trump. But when the President is the criminal, things get complicated...
When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
It would be easy to read your posts and interpret them as defending or enabling Trump with the narrative that he is a victim.
I guess I would be interested to know, with a simple yes or no, if you want him held accountable if he is proven to have shown a pattern of repeated criminal behavior, whether it was tax avoidance or other more serious financial criminal actions.
That's because they're poor and it is what it is as Peen has been saying.
When the poor call for justice against the rich, then it's picking on them.
"The wheels on the bus go round and round."
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
... And Freud once famously said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
Know who gets hassled by the feds? Criminals. Know who whines about getting hassled by the feds? Stupid criminals who find themselves in the crosshairs.
Smart criminals hide in the shadows. This one made himself the most visible human being on planet Earth.
If he wishes to avoid witch hunts, he should get on his broom and fly to some country that has no extradition treaty with the US.
Instead, he gets up on a platform in front of thousands of people and admits his crimes in public.
He gets what he deserves.. with no sympathy from me. To the crime/do the time.
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When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
It would be easy to read your posts and interpret them as defending or enabling Trump with the narrative that he is a victim.
I guess I would be interested to know, with a simple yes or no,
I've noticed you've asked this question a number of times on various political topics...I would be interested to know Why?
I guess I would be interested to know, with a simple yes or no, if you want him held accountable if he is proven to have shown a pattern of repeated criminal behavior, whether it was tax avoidance or other more serious financial criminal actions.
As written, no. Proven to show a patter V being proven he has are different IM.
If he has actively engaged, and is proven guilty of a crime nobody is above the law. So yes.
I guess I would qualify that to the extent on what it might be. Some simple tax deal...I have news for you, nobody comes out of those unscathed.
I guess my feeling is if it passed IRS scrutiny, why wouldn't that be good enough?
I am not big on government agency's having to squeeze others to get some sort of deal to say something. I don't care if it is drug kingpins.
Umm... because the IRS just admitted it was massively underfunded and had all but stopped going after the rich for back taxes or in depth audits...
EDIT: and FYI, Trump thinks he is 100% above the law.
When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
It would be easy to read your posts and interpret them as defending or enabling Trump with the narrative that he is a victim.
I guess I would be interested to know, with a simple yes or no,
I've noticed you've asked this question a number of times on various political topics...I would be interested to know Why?
Probably because no one ever answers with a simple yes or no.
Some people actually believe Trump when he claimed he was under audit. Imagine that. His taxes from the past 20 years were all under audit so he couldn't release any of them and they remained under audit during his entire presidency? And they still believe it.
He knew if they ever saw the light of day these things would come out. It's why he fought court battles to keep them hidden. And now we hear this BS.
He's way to smart for that... This is why he claimed they were under audit... And to prove that he will just admit his crime then tell people justice is a witch hunt until he backs the authorities down.
I mean seriously, how many times has he repeated this playbook in the last 5 years? Gets caught, admits it, then says he's being persecuted... No Donald, the word is prosecuted.
trump gets his oxygen from the suckers who believe him.
take the suckers away and the baloon is empty.
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
LOL,, Of course, you would say that.. You want all this swept under the rug.. You clearly don't want the world to find what kinda scum sucking jerk he is..
Makes sense...
Some people actually believe Trump when he claimed he was under audit. Imagine that. His taxes from the past 20 years were all under audit so he couldn't release any of them and they remained under audit during his entire presidency? And they still believe it.
He knew if they ever saw the light of day these things would come out. It's why he fought court battles to keep them hidden. And now we hear this BS.
Geez, if they were any kind of smart, they'd have done what I did.. I called the IRS, got a rep on the phone and asked the question directly.
Is there anything preventing me from releasing my taxes if I'm under Audit.. The answer is no...
It's that simple.. He didn't want to release his taxes,, we are starting to find out why.
LOL! Jim Acosta?? Jim Acosta??
Great choice to get your information from...hahahahahhaahahahaha!
F A K E N E W S
take the suckers away and the baloon is empty.
take the suckers away and the baloon is empty.
Must be donny’s sponge-bath day.
When you can't attack the facts attack the source.
LOL! Jim Acosta?? Jim Acosta??
Great choice to get your information from...hahahahahhaahahahaha!
F A K E N E W S
Says the guy that suckles at Hannity’s and Carlson’s tit.
Laughable.
eeeew.
thanks for that mental image....
I noticed that they had to tie him down, too
Uh oh. Now you did it. You opened that door. Now they'll claim they tied him down just like they did Jesus!
He’s fussy. Doesn’t like to get his hair wet. Cotton candy melts you know.
They bribe him with a 12 piece extra crispy bucket of KFC and a pile of BigMacs. He usually doesn’t cause too much trouble. But the ropes are there for a reason. After he’s done punching fried foods and cheap burgers to the back of his gaping maw he usually naps for a couple hours. So those that scrubbed him down with rags on a stick all get a much needed break.
That's how they got Capone too.
Yes, I know.
I actually started typing that, but after about a paragraph and maybe needing more decided it was too wordy, and deleted it.
I figured someone would bring that up. It proves my point. When you have nothing else, go for taxes.
You Know? Good.
Then you also know that if Trump is eventually indicted on tax evasion charges, and is convicted, he should get at least what Capone got..
I'm really glad to hear you know this
If he has actively engaged, and is proven guilty of a crime nobody is above the law. So yes.
This for me is the beginning and end of it. I don't care if he feels like he's a victim. I don't care if they start small and flip something big. If he's guilty then prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law and expose him. Same would go for any politician - Left, Right, Center or on the hardcore left/right. Period. No other disclaimers or shades of gray need to be attempted.
LOL! Jim Acosta?? Jim Acosta??
Great choice to get your information from...hahahahahhaahahahaha!
F A K E N E W S
The whole damn crew at fox wouldn't make a pimple on the ass of a real reporter like Acosta. And YOU calling fake news is rich. smh. Bless your heart.
LOL! Jim Acosta?? Jim Acosta??
Great choice to get your information from...hahahahahhaahahahaha!
F A K E N E W S
The whole damn crew at fox wouldn't make a pimple on the ass of a real reporter like Acosta. And YOU calling fake news is rich. smh. Bless your heart.
Like a true lib, you ASSUME I watch Fox News....
I like fox news just because Tucker Carlson lights on fire the butt hairs of every liberal. It's hilarious.
Spewing lies and hate will do that.
I like fox news just because Tucker Carlson lights on fire the butt hairs of every liberal. It's hilarious.
Further proof of that old adage: "You are what you eat."
Spewing lies and hate will do that.
This guy has more chance of setting someone's butt on fire than Tucker - he general gets taken more seriously too.
SHHHH! They don't know that we like Tucker too! Yep, we like to make fun of him, make memes of him, and in general laugh out loud at him and his dumbass audience. The problem being that his white supremacy rants are getting more and more dangerous to the nation. Tucker is not Q, but he's just like whoever is Q IMHO; dumb as hell and lower than dirt.
He rules his ignorant viewers. Only the blind can't see that it's him and those who watch him we make fun of.
It's nice to know that you think you're funny too.
You should quit while you are behind. I'd bet good money that no-one on this board ever got even mildly annoyed at Tucker and his entertainment channel. . . Maybe you don't remember or maybe you choose not to acknowledge - but the Fox News legal team, in a public court of law, stated that no-one should watch Fox and take their facts as "the truth" and that they are for entertainment only.
Pure trolling. lol. You truly must think all libs are super thin skinned when it comes to your attacks. You couldn't be more wrong. Every time you name call us with 'libtard' or label us as 'butthurt', you are just lying to yourself. You don't concern us at all. You are just another very minor part of the neo-fascist scourge that is trying to drag America down. We recognize you for what you are and don't buy into your BS or excuses. You're all a lot of huff and puff upfront, but instantly fold when the heat comes. Y'all spend every day triggered by idiots who pretend to have your best interest at heart in your media. Then you all turn that triggered ire toward the perceived enemy on the left. Yet none of you understand the left. NONE OF YOU.
The left is many groups with many ideologies and much more complex than the republican qualifiers of not too bright, hate, fear, and false religion. Y'all think ANTIFA which stands for anti-fascist is somehow unAmerican... since when? Y'all think the BLM protests were an assault on white American values... very telling. Y'all think Trump is a good man... also very telling. Y'all think not respecting the flag or anthem at sporting events DUE TO THE RACIST TONE OF THE SECOND VERSE is somehow unAmerican... yet y'all follow an autocratic would be dictator thinking that represents good American values... more like Russian values. Y'all can't seem to grasp that following your beliefs automatically drops your IQ by 20+ points... that's not a fact, but I believe it's true. You know, similar to you thinking anything you say leaves me 'butthurt'...
Trying poorly to own the libs while offering nothing. It's the new trumpian GOP.
Trying to poorly own the GOP while offering nothing. It's the new libtards.
Trying to poorly own the GOP while offering nothing. It's the new libtards.
Like I said, pure trolling. Now shut up.
After Trump nobody had to offer much. Even the 78 year old Biden beat him handily. But we understand why that makes you butt hurt.
You do you, we all know who that is... and it ain't pretty. Bless your heart.
After Trump nobody had to offer much. Even the 78 year old Biden beat him handily. But we understand why that makes you butt hurt.
Biden did not beat Trump. Trump beat Trump. Trump had good policies but his childish tweeting made him unbearable. It's what ended him.
Maybe next time around he will learn to be more professional. -
When one is a calamity of errors themselves that makes it a hard job for you.
It's like your whole, "That was two hundred years ago!" BS. Blacks couldn't even use the same bathrooms in much of the south until 1964. Weren't allowed to go to the same schools. George Wallace tried to block entrance to black children and it took National Guard troops to get them in.
That wasn't 200 years ago. But your whitewashed history won't let you see anything that is real.
You're lost.
Biden did not beat Trump. Trump beat Trump. Trump had good policies but his childish tweeting made him unbearable. It's what ended him.
Maybe next time around he will learn to be more professional. -
When one is a calamity of errors themselves that makes it a hard job for you.
It's like your whole, "That was two hundred years ago!" BS. Blacks couldn't even use the same bathrooms in much of the south until 1964. Weren't allowed to go to the same schools. George Wallace tried to block entrance to black children and it took National Guard troops to get them in.
That wasn't 200 years ago. But your whitewashed history won't let you see anything that is real.
You're lost.
Typical Pitdawg, completely changing the topic and moving the goal posts when he got nothing.
Maybe next time around he will learn to be more professional. -
That's what they said before he was elected. That he was in "campaign mode" and that after the election he would act more presidential. And since he lost the election? Try listening to his campaign style rallies he's doing. Same old Trump. He's always been that way and always will be. The GOP bought a pig in a poke and they're still bowing down to him.
All you've been doing is posting nothing. When someone calls you on your BS, you still got nothing.
All you've been doing is posting nothing. When someone calls you on your BS, you still got nothing.
Nobody really complains about me other than your ilk. EVERYBODY on this forum complains about you changing the subject when you got nothing. Not just in PP, everywhere on this forum.
The funny part is that I'm not even a Trump fan. I want Rand Paul to run. He is a constitutionalist and a smart guy. And a libertarian.
Says the guy who wanted Bernie Sanders. Who wrote papers on his fantasies about raping women.
Rand Paul is a trillion times better than incompetent Joe Biden.
All you've been doing is posting nothing. When someone calls you on your BS, you still got nothing.
Nobody really complains about me other than your ilk. EVERYBODY on this forum complains about you changing the subject when you got nothing. Not just in PP, everywhere on this forum.
It's only your ilk that doesn't complain about you. So what was the subject? "libtards blah, blah, blah"? "Tucker Carlson blah, blah, blah?
Empty rhetoric with zero substance. That's not a subject. The subject WAS Trump's family legal troubles. Until you tried to derail it.
Sadly, I actually had to dig back to the last time you made a feeble attempt to address a subject to show how utterly inept you were at it. That's on you.
lol. pwnd.
You better lose the gloves if you want to spar with me. It's a battle of wits with you takin' all the hits. And 'that all you got?' proves it.
Bless your heart.
All you've been doing is posting nothing. When someone calls you on your BS, you still got nothing.
Nobody really complains about me other than your ilk. EVERYBODY on this forum complains about you changing the subject when you got nothing. Not just in PP, everywhere on this forum.
It's only your ilk that doesn't complain about you. So what was the subject? "libtards blah, blah, blah"? "Tucker Carlson blah, blah, blah?
Empty rhetoric with zero substance. That's not a subject. The subject WAS Trump's family legal troubles. Until you tried to derail it.
Sadly, I actually had to dig back to the last time you made a feeble attempt to address a subject to show how utterly inept you were at it. That's on you.
Whining and complaining. It was your ilk that started commenting about Tucker Carlson.
Gonna change the subject again? lmao
lol. pwnd.
You better lose the gloves if you want to spar with me. It's a battle of wits with you takin' all the hits. And 'that all you got?' proves it.
Bless your heart.
Puuulease. You're like a drone that keep repeating the same thing over and over while drooling on himself.
Awe, poor victim. You whine more than AOC.
Awe, poor victim. You whine more than AOC.
I don't think thats possible.
That was the funniest thing you posted all day.
touche
WHAT?!? HOLD THE HELL ON! That's not drooling like you do, that's just excess brain (power) fluid being dispersed into the ecosphere... natures way of helping to balance the stupid from the right.
When people feel like they're a victim they often times throw tantrums like you come here and do. We feel your pain.
Still trying to change the subject I see. Tsk Tsk
I'll keep you in my prayers. I see how badly you need them.
After Trump nobody had to offer much. Even the 78 year old Biden beat him handily. But we understand why that makes you butt hurt.
Biden did not beat Trump. Trump beat Trump. Trump had good policies but his childish tweeting made him unbearable. It's what ended him.
Maybe next time around he will learn to be more professional. -
Could have been all those people dying ..but sure tweets go with that
All you've been doing is posting nothing. When someone calls you on your BS, you still got nothing.
Nobody really complains about me other than your ilk. EVERYBODY on this forum complains about you changing the subject when you got nothing. Not just in PP, everywhere on this forum.
I think you just wrote about changing the subject - as a way to change the subject.
Most useful as a home perm cautionary tale.
The US was formed as a democratic republic.
It is based upon the vote of the people.
trump had a right to challenge the results through the legal system. He did that and it was defeated over 60 times. No proof at all that he didn't lose the election - period.
After his actions on Jan 6th to overthrow a fair and just election. He should have been tried for treason. That is what he is a traitor.
If someone supports him after Jan 6th. They are also traitors. They may not be able to be charged as such but that is what they are.
trump has done more damage to this country as president than any president ever elected.
He took an oath of office to protect the people of this country.
His record politically and how he handled a crisis in his denial of covid facts. Should mark him forever for what he is a traitor. A traitor to the office of the presidency for failing to protect the people of this country.
He lost the popular vote twice. He was impeached twice.
Most of his gofers and cronies were prosecuted. Even his lawyers have been charged.
That is his record.
Parcells was right. You are what your record says you are.
If someone supports him after Jan 6th. They are also traitors.
I am no big Trump fan, but that's horse crap.
No it is math.
Jan 6th were actions of treason. trump led an insurection to try and overthrow the vote of the people.
If someone supports those actions and supports trump after those actions.
One plus one.
He didn't lead it. That would be a feather in his cap for leadership.
He stoked fears and created an angry mob and then let them do their thing so he could argue to avoid accountability.
If he actually led it, you could argue he was finally showing leadership qualities (which would be something of a silver lining).
He didn't "lead" the attack personally - but without his lies, his rhetoric, his hate filled speeches ... the attack never happens.
So how do you square that? Without Trump's agenda and the Big Lie - something never happens, so fair to say he did actually cause and insight the attack? How far is that from "leading" ?
I think it's willful ignorance of Trump supporters to avoid these facts. Just like it's willful ignorance to ignore dye in the wool Republicans who have verified the election result is fair and without mass voter fraud. Willful ignorance to ignore Moscow Mitch and Barr and others who have said the same thing. Willful ignorance to try to ignore Trump's ongoing lies and hate that are spreading misinformation to millions. Willful ignorance to ignore that Trump still controls the GOP.
He led the idea. He's the one who sowed the seeds of contempt. And if it wasn't for another Trump lie, he would have been leading them. They thought he was leading them because he told them he would march to the capital with them. But of course once again he lied to his base supporters.
If people can't see that the reason for all of this were the lies he kept telling his supporters to spur on the insurrection, it's beyond the point of trying to reason with them.
He led the idea. He's the one who sowed the seeds of contempt. And if it wasn't for another Trump lie, he would have been leading them. They thought he was leading them because he told them he would march to the capital with them. But of course once again he lied to his base supporters.
If people can't see that the reason for all of this were the lies he kept telling his supporters to spur on the insurrection, it's beyond the point of trying to reason with them.
I think this is where keeping it simple really pays dividends.
For me debating about what the people who listened *thought* - is easy for Peen and the 'plausible deniability' crowd to dismiss / tune out.
I think simply stating that without Trump's continuous Lies about a stolen election the riot and attack would never have happened is a undeniable fact. I think that's big enough for him to own all of it. I mean if you really want to dig into it - he was prepping for the Lie way before the election with the "The only way I lose is if it's rigged" BS. But the deeper into the weeds you go the more "outs" the Cult see and grasp.
He was doing the same thing in 2016. Had he have lost to Hillary we may have seen this same thing four years earlier. That's what I don't understand. He peddled the same lie about the only way he could lose is if they cheat during both elections, four years apart. And they believed him both times.
My point about him leading was a sort of ironic angle on his overall leadership abilities and him getting people to do his will while retaining the ability to play dumb to the whole thing. My post was not intended to be especially insightful.
Sorry if I didn't take it in the spirit in which it was intended!
I just wanted to clarify, is all.
If someone supports him after Jan 6th. They are also traitors.
I am no big Trump fan, but that's horse crap.
Just so I understand, do you feel that leading an insurrection against the US Government is acceptable behavior?
If someone supports him after Jan 6th. They are also traitors.
I am no big Trump fan, but that's horse crap.
Just so I understand, do you feel that leading an insurrection against the US Government is acceptable behavior?
I do not.
I don't think that was a insurrection. It was a peaceful protest similar to what we have seen in Portland, Seattle, and other cities.
If your idea of a insurrection is some guy in a Viking hat, you don't have a clue.
If and when a insurrection occurs, you'll know it. Large portions of the military will be involved. Large numbers of states will call for cessation. Not a few hundred motley crew want to be's running around sitting in Senators chairs.
Get a grip.
Get a clue.
If it’d happened on Obama’s watch your head would have exploded. But donny… such a cultist.
Get a clue.
If it’d happened on Obama’s watch your head would have exploded. But donny… such a cultist.
Now I am a cultist...whatever.
If and when a insurrection occurs, you'll know it. Large portions of the military will be involved. Large numbers of states will call for cessation. Not a few hundred motley crew want to be's running around sitting in Senators chairs.
Get a grip.
You seem to forget that Capitol Police is among the largest, best funded and equipped police orgs in the world (relative to the area it is tasked to).
This might have not have been your point, but insurrection is the wrong word, IMO. It was an attempted coup.
It was such an innocent thing that the Republicans in our senate blocked an investigation to find out what actually happened and who all was involved. They refuse to admit what happened. They lie about what happened and now Trump is trying to applaud what happened.
They're beyond help. 140 Capital police were injured. But one thing I will say, they gave up another option for the American flag. They used to say the only option was to stand for it. They've now shown they have a second option for it. To beat the cops with it.
I'd like to offer my take on the back and forth. I'm sure some - if not many - will disagree:
I do not think Trump led an insurrection. I think Trump has shown a history that he's a sore loser. He deflects constantly rather than admitting that maybe he did something wrong, or that he just lost something. He can't accept it. I think he riled up his base both to put pressure on those in Government in a desperate attempt to somehow reverse the results. I don't think that he intended for the crowd to actually storm the Capitol. He obviously did not lead them, because he was nowhere near the action.
He does bear responsibility for the insurrection. I think this boils down to one question at the core: would the insurrection have happened had Trump not been the incumbent president in this scenario, and conducted himself in the way that he did? I'm sure there will be obtuse answers to this, but I think we know the real answer.
It was an insurrection. Insurrection is defined as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government." Key word there is "act or instance." I liken it to the beer hall putsch. I think that is literally what happened on January 6th. I think what you are describing in your post is a full on coup, rebellion, or civil war.
The January 6th was not just some guy in a Viking hat, but you know that.
The stuff that happened in Portland, Seattle, and the other cities was rioting. It was criminal, and it was wrong, and anyone who was involved on that level should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I do not think it was an insurrection. You're a fellow JD. You know the actus reus has to meet the elements.
I think where I fault one side in this argument is that there is an image created of Trump where he led an insurrection. I don't think he led or had the malicious intent that rises to that level. I think he was reckless in his behavior and it had consequences.
Where I fault the other side in this argument is acting like nothing happened and/or doing a what-about by looking at other cities. I don't know how many times I need to say this: One bad action is not justification for another. One person's hypocrisy in their arguments does not justify another hypocrisy. Things that are wrong, are wrong, regardless of our wishes, inclinations, or the dictates of our passions. There may be different levels of wrong, but wrong is wrong.
If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
Common sense
and intellect, all in the same post!
You do realize he actually told them that he would march with them to the capital, right? But yes, they were foolish to still be believing anything he said.
But you could be right. He may not be smart enough to realize he was leading them to violence. After all he's spent a lifetime saying nasty things with no consequences. The fact is he did rile up and cause these events with his words.
AND he did nothing to stop them while the event was unfolding. He didn't call in the guard, he didn't talk to Pence, and he told McCarthy "Well Kevin, maybe they are more upset about the steal than you are..." or something similar to that. It was widely reported.
That's a good post. I agree - the events of Jan 6th don't happen without Trump's Big Lie .... so he is culpable. The rest is sot of semantics - whether you chose "led" - "responsible for" - "lit the fire" ... none of that matters. He was the instigator in Chief in my eyes. He won't ever be held accountable however.
One issue I have is the idea that posters are fine with the rioting and looting that occurred throughout many cities as a result of or in reaction to the death of George Floyd .... I have not seen that. What I have seen is myself, Pit, OCD and others all say - "Hold anyone who acts criminally accountable". Are there specific posters or threads where you believe posters were saying something different?
You do realize he actually told them that he would march with them to the capital, right? But yes, they were foolish to still be believing anything he said.
But you could be right. He may not be smart enough to realize he was leading them to violence. After all he's spent a lifetime saying nasty things with no consequences. The fact is he did rile up and cause these events with his words.
Yeah, it's more of the latter part. I think he's impulsive. I don't think he thinks anything through. He's obviously very reactionary. Just based on what I know of him, I don' think "premeditated" is really something that's in his repertoire.
You do realize he actually told them that he would march with them to the capital, right? But yes, they were foolish to still be believing anything he said.
But you could be right. He may not be smart enough to realize he was leading them to violence. After all he's spent a lifetime saying nasty things with no consequences. The fact is he did rile up and cause these events with his words.
Yeah, it's more of the latter part. I think he's impulsive. I don't think he thinks anything through. He's obviously very reactionary. Just based on what I know of him, I don' think "premeditated" is really something that's in his repertoire.
Ignorance is no defense in the eyes of the law - or it wasn't when I was at college.
Haha, same here.
I'm not saying that ignorance is a defense and that he wasn't responsible. He's definitely responsible.
I just don't think he has the capacity, the patience, or the self-control, frankly, to have mapped out what would happen that day.
Yeah, it's more of the latter part. I think he's impulsive. I don't think he thinks anything through. He's obviously very reactionary. Just based on what I know of him, I don' think "premeditated" is really something that's in his repertoire.
You know, if I hadn't been paying close attention and looked at it as a single, isolated incident I would agree with you.
But that's not what this is. Remember when he was running against Hillary? "If I lose this election it was rigged." That was back in 2016. Then when he ran against Biden. "If I lose this election it will be rigged. They will have to cheat to beat me."
So the seeds of this type of thing to happen were sown back in 2016 in his first presidential election. Then repeated in 2020. You must first set the stage and plant the seeds in your supporters minds to pull off such a thing. To condition them to believe you. That conditioning had been going on since 2016.
Then one would have to believe that it was some kind of coincidence that Trump just happened to call for a rally on the exact same day as the election was to be certified and ask for his followers to march to the Capital. And that the speakers at that rally actually said things to intentionally incite the crowd. That he lied to them that he would march with them.
No, this wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This wasn't an impulse. This was a plan. And it's all still unfolding.
No, I don't know how Hillary felt.
I do know that tax evasion charges are the last resort thrown because if nothing else, you can usually find enough dubious dealings to at minimum keep throwing accusations. Especially when a person or company has complicated tax returns.
When you don't have anything else, get the books, surely there is something.
Cept in this case it’s just the beginning. There’s a lot of something else here and it’s not just cooking the books.
A pattern of years of tax abuse aren't a serious thing don't you know. It's one of the few crimes that either don't count or are an act of desperation to "get them" among those who have wealth. Because you know, they're being picked on. You read such tripe than have no questions at all how corporations making billions of dollars pay nothing in federal income tax.
It's why it gets labeled as white collar crime. Because crime doesn't matter when a white collar commits it. They make their criminal acts sound like nothing. Murica!
Then they'll stand there and tell you they're the party of personal responsibility.
Right?! What’s a little tax evasion? Meh.
I mean it’s not like he was selling cigarettes on the street corner, or trying to pass a bad $20 bill. I mean those egregious crimes could get you executed on the street by cops.
I think we just disagree to the level of scienter that he has. Quite frankly, knowing how he handles his business, and how often people have to step in and rescue him from himself, I just don't think of him to be that smart, and at that level of control.
I think he has been proven over and over again to be insecure of losing. In 2016, I think he just put it out there because he couldn't tolerate the thought of losing. I think the guy screams the same thing when he has a 2 and a 7 in Texas Hold'em and loses to a royal flush. He can't process the thought of losing, and I think his dad probably conditioned him as much, to the point where he just cannot accept the concept of losing.
As far as the rally on the date of certification, I do think he was desperate and hoping for pressure on those in Congress to act - including Pence - but I think it was part of his drawn-out tantrum, and not a master plan. I don't think he ever planned on marching with the crowd, regardless of the outcome. It's like the people who were left in the freezing cold wherever that was. He wants their validation and doesn't really care or think about their well-being or what they might do.
I could be wrong in all this, but those are just my instincts.
Get a clue.
If it’d happened on Obama’s watch your head would have exploded. But donny… such a cultist.
Now I am a cultist.
Yep you kneel and kiss the feet of trump with your unwavering support for him here. Trump instigated an insurrection. He should be prosecuted for it. But no you say. keep kissing his butt like all good Q men do. Pfft
Perfectly stated, I lost a friend over Trump because I posted that all the Fuhrer's men need to come kiss his butt. He's a VERY flawed human being.
Things could get real interesting if Trump's money man turns on him- the guy isn't going to jail for any length at his age to save Trump, JMHO, the way Trump does things/ not paying taxes on benefits sure fits the mold- great business man, he bankrupts companies, is king of debt so he doesn't pay taxes, damn, all of us are suckers because we pay taxes...and we elected him President, WOW, how stupid are we. He's a scumbag.
General Milley accounts of trump last days is chilling.
If that does not wake people up about the danger trump represents then they should forever remain sleeping.
He is a traitor to a democratic republic.
General Milley accounts of trump last days is chilling.
If that does not wake people up about the danger trump represents then they should forever remain sleeping.
He is a traitor to a democratic republic.
It truly is.. If this new commission to investigate Jan 6 calls him to the stand and he repeats what's been reported, this could be fun to watch
Respectfully disagree in the strongest possible terms.
There has been nothing fun about this entire debacle, and seeing him on the witness stand will be yet another international embarrassment.
Nope, not fun at all.
Respectfully disagree in the strongest possible terms.
There has been nothing fun about this entire debacle, and seeing him on the witness stand will be yet another international embarrassment.
Nope, not fun at all.
with all due respect Clem, you know what I meant.. Will it be fun in the sense of we'll all be laughing? Of course not..
And I know you know what I mean.....
If someone supports him after Jan 6th. They are also traitors.
I am no big Trump fan, but that's horse crap.
No it's not.. His actions and the actions of his supporters on that day clearly show he was trying to change the outcome of an election he lost...
That's insurrection and that's just not something that is allowed in our country.
But then again, he did once say that if he shot someone on 5th ave., he wouldn't lose a vote..
I guess the same fools that wouldn't stop voting for him on that, decided then and there that the "law and order President" doesn't have to follow the law..
He can be a criminal and some will still vote for him...
What he's not telling his followers is that they are after a bigger fish... Him
No kidding? It's been a political assassination attempt since the guy won the nomination.
As it should be given his inability to tell the truth as evidenced by his election loss lies..
And here you are, still defending the insurrectionist
You're not supposed to talk about it.
Trump campaign refunds millions to donors misled by manipulative fundraising tactics
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-refunds-millions-donors-235042836.htmlmy favorite part:
Per reports, the Trump campaign returned over 10% of the $1.2 billion it raised in donations, while President Biden‘s campaign returned roughly 2% by comparison.
After Biden won the election in November, Trump’s campaign continued asking supporters for donations and were able to raise tens of millions more dollars to help pay for the campaign’s refund debt.
This time, the requests told potential donors to support Trump’s multiple lawsuits against the results of the election. Each lawsuit filed was dismissed due to lack of evidence.
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i have now come to the conclusion that if i want to direct a Heist movie, the main target will be robbing a bank from Trump supporters.
It's hilarious that Trump called himself the law enforcement POTUS. You can't make this crap up.
On this one, I have to side with Trump on the technicalities.
There is a civil case and a criminal case in play. To testify in the civil case provides answers that can be used in the criminal case.
Just ask Bill Cosby.
That said you can't claim a property is worth X dollars for taxes, and 30X dollars on a bank application for a loan. So he is in trouble either way.
I think it depends. Taxation and future use values don't always add up.
Even for us common people, assessed tax value by the county is always less than the appraised value of the home...or it better be.
I haven't been paying attention to all the facts or this thread for that matter. I just opened it, saw your comment, then made mine.
Save any extended history lesson as I probably won't be back to this thread any time soon.
I don't think that you can claim that a golf course in Westchester NY has a value of 1M for taxation, and 30M as an asset. The gap is simply too large to pass the sniff test.
That is the core of the dispute. I could see something in the shaving the percentages, which is common, but this is over the top laughable.
So Trump's mishandling of presidential docs, destroying docs, taking docs to Mar-a-lago... way worse than Hillary's emails. Where is all the GOPer outrage?
Fox’s Bret Baier: If Republicans Were ‘Really Upset’ About Hillary’s Emails Shouldn’t They Also Be ‘Upset’ at Trump?Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked his panel on Thursday evening about recent reporting that former President Donald Trump took documents, some of which were labeled “top secret,” from the White House to his private residence in Florida.
“There is a Washington Post story out about the possibility that former president Trump had classified or top-secret documents at Mar-a-Lago,” Baier noted, introducing the reporting on the issue.
The National Archives confirmed this week it recovered some 15 boxes of records that were supposed to be turned over in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.
The Fox anchor read through more reporting on the issue and went on to ask his panel if Republicans are not being hypocritical by staying silent on this issue after harping on Hillary Clinton’s emails in the past.
Baier asked:
If Republicans were really, really upset and focused on Hillary Clinton’s emails and all of that classified back-and-forth and what happened with those documents, shouldn’t they be really upset or concerned about what’s coming out? We don’t know factually that this is all true. But, if it is, shouldn’t they be as concerned?
Former Secretary of Education Bill Bennett responded, “Well, sure they should be concerned about it.”
Bennett wavered a bit, adding, “I’m sure the Justice Department and others will look into this. But, my gosh, this is a part of a long story of allegations against Donald Trump. Most of which proved groundless as you know. But, sure, look into it. Sunlight’s the best disinfectant, take a look.”
Baier then turned to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, who said, “100% correct that they’re down there,” referring to the National Archives retrieving the documents from Mar-a-Lago. “100% sure that no one in America outside of the progressive hard-left cares.”
Former Congressman Harold Ford Jr. (D-TN) had the last word in the segment, saying, “I don’t know if they care or not, but we have something called the Constitution and laws, if you broke the law, Democrat or Republican, let the chips fall where they may.”
Watch the full clip above from Fox News
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/f...ls-shouldnt-they-also-be-upset-at-trump/
Lock him up? Nothing buy crickets......
this is the time where i feel obligated to bring you up, bro.
Arch, if this was hillary, even you know you'd be 40 post deep right now trashing her.
keep that same energy homeboy.
trump is a never ending story of fraud, quid pro quo, and outright corruption.
It never ends with him. His entire life is filled with it.
Haul 'em all away, I say.
But if you're looking at me like I'm supposed to be shocked that politicians are hypocrites, well....
I was LIVID with Clinton when all the classified document handling and email stuff came out. After Snowden especially, a lot of restraints and procedures were put on the worker bee levels regarding the handling of classified info. And you better follow it to a T.
When she didn’t get nailed, I was ticked. As you mention, if what is being uncovered is true, I am equally as livid, if not more so since he and his supporters berated her for doing what he did. That added level of hypocrisy is an aggravating factor for me.
Oh you will just love it even more when the legions of Trump supporters who chanted "lock her up" will give Trump a 100% pass on this.
trump's lawyer has held back 11k emails from the Jan 6th committee.
OH! the Irony.
trump's lawyer has held back 11k emails from the Jan 6th committee.
OH! the Irony.
And the hardcore trump faithful want to send those looking into jan 6th to jail.
https://www.newsweek.com/locking-jan-6-committee-members-not-idle-threat-warns-kirschner-1678712
Accounting Firm Cuts Ties With Trump and Retracts Financial StatementsThe statements are at the center of two investigations into whether the former president and his company exaggerated the value of their assets.
By Ben Protess and William K. Rashbaum
Feb. 14, 2022
Updated 4:51 p.m. ET
Donald J. Trump’s longtime accounting firm cut ties with his family business last week amid ongoing criminal and civil investigations into whether Mr. Trump illegally inflated the value of his assets, court documents filed on Monday show.
In a letter to the Trump Organization on Feb. 9, the accounting firm notified the company of its decision and disclosed that it could no longer stand behind annual financial statements it prepared for Mr. Trump. The firm, Mazars USA, compiled the financial statements based on information the former president and his company provided.
The letter instructed the Trump Organization to essentially retract the documents, known as statements of financial condition, from 2011 to 2020. In the letter, Mazars noted that the firm had not “as a whole” found material discrepancies between the information the Trump Organization provided and the actual value of Mr. Trump’s assets. But given what it called “the totality of circumstances,” the letter directed the Trump Organization to notify anyone who received the statements that they should no longer rely on them.
The statements, which Mr. Trump used to secure loans, are at the center of the two law enforcement investigations into the former president and his company. The Manhattan district attorney’s office and the office of the New York attorney general, Letitia James, have been investigating whether Mr. Trump used the statements to defraud his lenders into providing him the best possible loan terms.
The Trump Organization declined to comment.
The revelations appeared in the new court documents filed by Ms. James’s office, which is seeking to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath as part of her investigation.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers had asked a judge to prohibit the questioning, and in response, Ms. James’s office argued in court papers last month that the company had engaged in “fraudulent or misleading” practices.
Her filing on Monday — which marked her latest attempt to press ahead with questioning Mr. Trump as well as Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump — included a copy of the Mazars letter, signed by the accounting firm’s general counsel.
The brief letter could bolster Ms. James’s investigation, which has focused partly on the statements and whether they overvalued Mr. Trump’s various hotels, golf clubs and other properties.
Mazars said it concluded that the statements were no longer reliable based in part on the attorney general’s earlier filings, its own investigations and information the accountants received from “internal and external sources.” The letter added that Mazars “performed its work in accordance with professional standards.”
Because Ms. James’s investigation is civil, she cannot file criminal charges. But she could sue Mr. Trump and his company to seek financial penalties, and could try to shut down certain aspects of Mr. Trump’s business in New York.
A spokeswoman for Ms. James declined to comment beyond the filing.
In a statement, the accounting firm said that “under our standards of professional ethics, we cannot comment on any client services or relationships.”
It is unclear whether Mazars’ break with the Trumps will have any bearing on the district attorney’s criminal investigation into Mr. Trump. The firm has been cooperating with that investigation, and Mr. Trump’s main accountant at Mazars has already testified before a grand jury hearing evidence about Mr. Trump.
A spokesman for the district attorney, Alvin Bragg, declined to comment.
Both investigations still face obstacles. While the statements may contain exaggerated estimates of Mr. Trump’s property values, those same documents also include a number of disclaimers, including acknowledgments that Mr. Trump’s accountants had neither audited nor authenticated his claims.
Another disclaimer notes that Mazars did “not express an opinion or provide any assurance about” the statements, a common caveat in statements of financial condition. The firm also disclosed that, while compiling the information for Mr. Trump, it had “become aware of departures from accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.”
Mr. Trump’s lawyers would likely argue that his lenders, sophisticated financial institutions like Deutsche Bank, would not have relied on the statements when providing him loans.
Still, in her court filing last month, Ms. James highlighted potential misleading statements about the value of at least six Trump properties, including golf clubs in Westchester County, N.Y., and Scotland, as well as Mr. Trump’s own penthouse home in Trump Tower.
According to that filing, Mr. Trump claimed that the triplex apartment spanned 30,000 square feet, giving it an eye-popping value of $327 million. In truth, the apartment was 10,996 square feet.
Mr. Trump’s long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, later acknowledged to investigators that the company had overvalued the apartment by “give or take” $200 million.
(Separately, last summer, the district attorney’s office indicted Mr. Weisselberg and the Trump Organization, accusing them of orchestrating a 15-year scheme to provide certain executives with off-the-books luxury perks like free cars and apartments. Mr. Weisselberg and the company have pleaded not guilty and the case is tentatively scheduled to go to trial late this summer.)
Both the civil and criminal investigations have examined the underlying information the Trump Organization provided Mazars as the accountants compiled the annual financial statements.
Often, Mr. Trump’s company would estimate the value of its properties based on recent selling prices of comparable buildings, a common real estate valuation method. The authorities have zeroed in on whether the company cherry-picked favorable information to essentially mislead Mazars into presenting an overly rosy picture of Mr. Trump’s finances.
Ms. James has argued that the Trump Organization misstated the value of the properties to lenders, insurers and the Internal Revenue Service. Many of the statements, she argued in the filing last month, were “generally inflated as part of a pattern to suggest that Mr. Trump’s net worth was higher than it otherwise would have appeared.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/14/nyregion/mazars-trump-organization-financial-statements.html
This is what it looks like when abandoning a sinking ship.
When you look at the big picture of all the legal issues with trump and his family.
It is like a mob boss. Everything he touches is some kind of criminal enterprise.
He builds walls to hide behind. Tax fraud. Seized papers. Flushed records. Hidden logs of visitors.
Quid pro quo. False evaluations of properties. Accounting records. Weisselberg behind bars. Georgia pressured to find votes.
Jan 6th inciting a riot to keep power.
He should be on a "Wanted Poster" in every post office.
More crimes for trump.
He took boxes of files to his rats nest in Florida that were classified. The National Archives has determined they must be returned. It was against the law to take them away.
The DOJ could charge him with a felony and five years behind bars.
I would love to see that. Talk about make my day. Justice be served like vengence with hot sauce.
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He took boxes of files to his rats nest in Florida that were classified.
Certainly as bad and probably worse than what Hilary did ... but the faithful stooges will remain silent until Faux or Trump gives them their spin.
One would need a never ending roll of toilet paper to clean up trump's record of crimes.
Supreme Court rejects Trump's bid to shield January 6 records, bringing end to legal battle
By Melissa Quinn
February 22, 2022 / 11:17 AM / CBS News
Washington — The Supreme Court on Tuesday turned away former President Donald Trump's legal fight with the House select committee investigating the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, bringing an end to the former president's quest to stop investigators from accessing reams of documents from his final weeks in the White House.
Trump asked the high court in December to take up his appeal of a decision from the federal appeals court in the District of Columbia, which rejected his efforts to shield the documents from lawmakers and found Trump provided "no basis" for it to override President Biden's decision not to uphold his predecessor's claims of executive privilege over the records.
In rejecting the former president's request, the decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit remains in place.
In addition to asking the Supreme Court to review the lower court's decision, the former president requested the justices stop the transfer of records from the National Archives and Records Administration to House investigators. They declined to do so last month, and the select committee received more than 700 pages of records sought by the panel earlier this month.
At issue in the legal fight between the former president and the House select committee were reams of records related to the events of January 6, including presidential diaries, visitor logs, handwritten notes from then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, binders from then-White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, and a draft executive order on election integrity, according to a filing from the National Archives
Trump asserted executive privilege over more than 750 pages of these documents, which were at the crux of his lawsuit against the National Archives and select committee. But Mr. Biden declined to uphold the former president's claims of executive privilege over the documents sought by the panel, and Trump filed suit in October to prevent their disclosure.
Since its formation last year, the committee examining the events surrounding the January 6 attack on the Capitol has interviewed more than 475 witnesses and obtained over 60,000 documents, according to an aide to the panel.
Investigators have issued dozens of subpoenas as part of their probe, including ones to Trump's allies, former White House officials, campaign aides and individuals involved in the planning of the rally outside the White House before the Capitol building came under siege. Two top Trump allies, Steve Bannon and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, have been held in contempt of Congress for refusing to comply with subpoenas, and the Justice Department has charged Bannon. Both cited Trump's claims of privilege for not complying.
Congressman Adam Kinzinger, a Republican from Illinois who sits on the panel, told "Face the Nation" on Sunday he expects the committee will begin public hearings in the spring or summer.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-supreme-court-january-6-committee-documents/The Trump obstruction strategy is crumbling.
Dem DA's prosecutors investigating Trump call it QUITS, puts probe in doubtTop prosecutors in Manhattan DA case against Trump resignThe top prosecutors in charge of the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Trump and his business dealings resigned Wednesday, bringing into question the future of the probe.
"I'm very happy. I believe the investigation is now over as it should be," Trump's attorney Ron Fischetti told Fox News, adding Bragg sat "down with his two top prosecutors. "I believe they had a meeting and went through evidence and decided what I have been saying all along that there wasn't any evidence that Donald Trump individually did any wrong in this case."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-prosecutors-in-manhattan-da-case-against-trump-resignPfft...NADA
The Party of Insurrection thinking Trump is off the hook. smfh
In this particular case, yes, off the hook. Of course, from what I've read, trump was never ON the hook in this case.
Your history paints you as someone that just never gets it right.
You completely missed the point of my post, then reply and prove me right.
You really need to read your own article. The case has not been dropped.
Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”
“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”
"Do you think it's possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that's what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that's illegal," Mr. Trump asked Raffensperger and his general counsel Ryan Germany, who was also on the call.
Germany told the president, "No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County" and repeatedly shot down Mr. Trump's continued claims as to whether Dominion "moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts."
During the call, Mr. Trump called Raffensperger a "child" and "either dishonest or incompetent" for not believing there was voter fraud in Atlanta. The president called himself a "schmuck" for endorsing Kemp, and appeared to threaten Raffensperger and Germany over alleged fraud, though there has been no evidence to support his claims ballots were illegally destroyed.
"You know what they did, and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense," he said. "And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk."
Mr. Trump then claimed ballots were being shredded and machinery removed.
"You can't let it happen and you are letting it happen," he said, according to the audio. "I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen."
“The president called himself a "schmuck"”….the first honest thing that crossed donny’s lips in years.
Trump settles lawsuit over inauguration funds spent at his D.C. hotel
Donald Trump's company and inauguration committee agreed Tuesday to pay $750,000 to the District of Columbia to resolve allegations that they illegally misused nonprofit funds while staging events surrounding Trump's inauguration.
D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine had accused the Trump Organization of overcharging Trump's inauguration committee for services at the Trump International Hotel, where more than $1 million was spent in January 2017, including for a private party for Mr. Trump's three older children.
"After he was elected, one of the first actions Donald Trump took was illegally using his own inauguration to enrich his family. We refused to let that corruption stand," Racine said in a press release. "With our lawsuit, we are now clawing back money that Trump's own inaugural committee misused."
Trump said in a press release that the settlement does not require his company or committee to admit guilt or liability. Trump's statement, which lauded his ownership of the hotel, which he is selling, also criticized Racine's investigation, claiming it was an "example of weaponizing law enforcement against the Republican party and, in particular, the former president of the United States."
"So bad for our Country!" Trump said.
The $750,000 will be given to two D.C. nonprofits that "promote civic engagement, democracy, and youth leadership," according to Racine's office.
Lee Balack, an attorney for the inaugural committee, said in a statement that the committee still disputes the allegations made by Racine's office, but settled because its "insurer determined that settlement was prudent simply to avoid the significant costs of litigating these baseless allegations through trial."
"It would have required the (committee's) insurer to spend double the amount of this insurance settlement just to try this case to verdict, and thus this modest settlement payment only makes common sense," Balack said.
The insurance company has already paid the $350,000 required by the settlement, according to a committee official.
Racine's office filed suit in 2020 and in the two years since the has deposed Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr., among others in the case.
Robert Weissman, president of the nonprofit advocacy group Public Citizen, hailed the settlement in a statement, noting that the inauguration committee's spending budget was comprised of donations.
"The inauguration gave the Trump gang the opportunity to engage in pure self-dealing, operating on both sides of the deal — but with funds provided by others," Weissman said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...gWf3NXQr21Lql_W1fPCjGrYyrRf1_GHWVr9V5A40Once again Trump whining and blaming everyone else when he gets held accountable. There's no doubt his minions will line up to do the same.
He’s a world class grifter. His followers are marks. They just don’t realize it.
40 will be along shortly with "EXONERATED!"... every time Trump gets a break he celebrates.
