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Posted By: OldColdDawg What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/23/21 07:20 PM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/23/21 07:23 PM
Boycott the Federalist Society

The group refuses to condemn insurrectionists in its ranks. It should not occupy a place of respect in the legal community.

Two months ago, on the eve of my graduation from Stanford Law School, I learned that the Stanford chapter of the Federalist Society had filed a complaint against me over a satirical flyer I sent to a law school listserv in January. The flyer advertised an event at which Senator Joshua Hawley and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, both long-time Federalist Society members, would make “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection.”

The flyer was a joke, but the officers of the Stanford Federalist Society weren’t laughing. Instead, in a letter of complaint filed with Stanford’s Office of Community Standards, these third-year law students alleged that I had defamed Hawley, Paxton, and the Federalist Society itself. The immediate implications of this allegation were serious: Stanford put a hold on my diploma pending the outcome of their investigation, jeopardizing my graduation and admission to the bar.

In one sense, the Federalist Society students who filed the complaint against me had a point. Defamation is a false statement of fact that causes harm to the reputation of the person or organization targeted. And I cannot deny that I hoped “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection” would do just that. Where the complaint’s authors went off course, however, was in contending that “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection” presented a statement of fact—that the advertised event was actually going to occur. In reality, I trusted that the audience for my flyer, a group of law students, would deploy their well-honed critical reading skills and spot the clues that this event was not for real. (The flyer explained, for example, that violent insurrection is also known as “doing a coup,” and advertised an event that would have occurred weeks earlier, on Jan. 6.)

In other words, rather than impairing the Federalist Society’s reputation by spreading a lie, a necessary element of defamation, I hoped to do so by drawing attention to the organization’s all-too-real connections to the Jan. 6 insurrection. In the six months since the attack, the Federalist Society leaders who sought to overturn the results of a free and fair election have faced virtually no consequences, and the organization itself has refused to condemn the insurrectionists in its ranks. An organization that tolerates efforts to undermine democracy should not be permitted to remain in good standing in the legal community. At minimum, attorneys, law scholars, and law students should refuse to participate in the organization’s events until it takes meaningful steps to disavow the anti-democratic movement so many of its members have supported.

My flyer itself emphasized the events immediately preceding the Jan. 6 attack: Hawley famously raised his fist in support of the mob that stormed the Capitol, while Paxton (along with John Eastman, who was at the time the head of a Federalist Society practice group) spoke with President Donald Trump at the now-infamous “Save America Rally.” But the Federalist Society’s connections to the insurrection stretch well beyond the day of the attack. Consider the October 2020 speaking tour of Hans von Spakovsky. Von Spakovsky was a member of the Trump administration’s “voter fraud” panel, from which he controversially suggested excluding Democrats and “mainstream” Republicans. For more than two decades, von Spakovsky has been at the forefront of the right wing’s “voter-suppression effort in disguise,” pushing unfounded claims of voter fraud as a justification for restrictions on the franchise. And in the month before the 2020 election he participated in at least nine Federalist Society events, delivering talks with names like “Consequences of Mail-In Ballots” and “Election Fraud 2020: Fact or Fiction?” At one of his talks, von Spakovsky warned: “If it’s a close election, we may have a lot of chaos in a lot of different places, and a lot of litigation contesting the outcome.”

Von Spakovsky’s warning—or perhaps threat is the better word—proved prescient: in the months following the election, litigation filed by Federalist Society attorneys helped to foster the growing chaos that culminated on Jan. 6.

Most notorious among the lawsuits that sought to overturn the 2020 election was Paxton’s challenge to the voting procedures of four other states, an unprecedented legal maneuver that was summarily rejected by the Supreme Court. Of the 17 attorneys general who joined Paxton in that widely ridiculed effort, 13 are affiliated with the Federalist Society.

Other lawsuits challenging the election filed by Federalist Society officers include Stoddard v. City Election Commission, filed by Edward Greim, a member of the Executive Committee of the Federalist Society’s “Free Speech & Election Law Practice Group”; and Kelly v. Pennsylvania, filed by Gregory H. Teufel, who heads the organization’s Pittsburgh chapter.

Like Paxton’s Texas v. Pennsylvania lawsuit, these cases sought radically disruptive judicial orders that would have thrown the outcome of the presidential election into doubt. The argument advanced in Stoddard mimicked the unfounded grievance voiced by a mob outside of Detroit’s TCF Center on election day, and called for a pause in finalizing the vote in Wayne County, the most Democratic county in Michigan. Teufel’s Kelly complaint went even further, calling for an order “nullifying a governor’s certification of presidential election results,” as the State of Pennsylvania put it in its brief before the Supreme Court. As with Paxton’s lawsuit, Greim’s and Teufel’s cases were quickly dismissed.

This farcical streak of court losses for Federalist Society officers did not deter other Federalist Society members from continuing to spread election misinformation. In late December, Hawley promised to object to the election results during the Electoral College certification process on Jan. 6. Ted Cruz, another member of the senate’s unofficial Federalist Society Caucus, followed suit.

All of which is to say that while “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection” was indeed supposed to be funny, the Federalist Society’s connections to the attack on the Capitol are no joke. The collective efforts of the Federalist Society’s membership provided a veneer of legal legitimacy to the falsehoods that fueled the insurrectionist mob. Meanwhile, the Federalist Society itself has resolutely refused to disavow those members who played a role in inciting the insurrection.

No organization with such extensive ties to a violent attack on our democracy should occupy a place of respect within the legal community. The Federalist Society has long relied on the participation of venerated attorneys and influential scholars in campus events to shore up its reputation as a law school debate club. But those who engage in Federalist Society debates lend the organization an air of non-partisan credibility that is completely at odds with reality.

The Federalist Society cannot be allowed to successfully employ this cynical strategy while its most prominent members continue to fan the flames of a dangerous anti-democratic movement. Law professors, law students, and practicing attorneys should refuse to participate in Federalist Society events until the organization renounces the insurrection inciters in its ranks. Although discourse between those of differing persuasions is critical to the health of a functioning democracy, some issues, like the merits of violent insurrection, should not be up for debate.

When the details of the complaint against me came to light in early June, there was a swift public backlash against both Stanford and the Federalist Society. While the Federalist Society remained silent, Stanford quickly concluded that “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection” was constitutionally protected speech and that the investigation could not go forward. Ten days later, I stood alongside my classmates as we graduated from law school beneath the California sun.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/federalist-society-insurrection-cowards.html
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/23/21 08:55 PM
Let's start a thread called What Democrats have ALWAYS been!!!

Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/23/21 09:19 PM
That would definitely make more sense than saying so in this thread.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 04:27 AM
I bet that guy's girlfriend is happy...
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 05:19 AM
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden

Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 09:04 AM
You have to understand that those people have bought in to the lie because they want to believe the lie.

Lie to the people. The communist way.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 12:43 PM
You are on a roll.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:12 PM
Speaking of believing a lie.....

Majority of Republicans say 2020 election was invalid: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/54...as-invalid-poll

But that has become your new mantra. Blame the other side of the exact thing you're guilty of.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:12 PM
He even sees communists under his bed at night.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:21 PM
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...020/5835521001/

Even the Cyber Ninjas have ratified.
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:25 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
He even sees communists under his bed at night.


And I thought Trevor Noah was terrible... saywhat
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:30 PM
Well of course you did......
Posted By: Milk Man Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:31 PM
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 03:34 PM
So I guess using black lights to look for bamboo fibers in the paper ballots didn't even change things. Hmmmmm.....
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 05:03 PM
I have to admit, I'm actually surprised by that outcome from the Cyber Ninja audit. I figured the result was going to be foregone.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 05:19 PM
I think once you read into it you'll find the count says Biden won but they will still point to conspiracy theories as to why that happened. I don't believe they will make it as cut and dry as the surface indicates.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 05:27 PM
Originally Posted By: mgh888


Their numbers show Trump losing to Biden by 300 MORE votes than the official count did! They strengthened Bidens position! lmao! You can't make this up.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 07:33 PM
POLITICO Playbook: Scoop: Fox to Rudy: You’re banned

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/24/scoop-fox-to-rudy-youre-banned-494458?1

Rudy Giuliani and son Andrew banned 3 months ago from appearing on fox news. Rudy was notified hours before appearing for the twentieth anniversary of 9/11.
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/24/21 09:13 PM
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 01:11 AM
You takes down pure propaganda and lies... maybe this is why.
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
You takes down pure propaganda and lies... maybe this is why.


Oh, the irony.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 01:08 PM
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.
Quote:
You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


Lol. You have no clue what you are talking about.

YouTube keeps and takes down whatever it wishes too. Lies or not. Opinions of others (politically) it chooses not to keep up; Demonetizes those channels it wants to for "violating its terms" when they don't. Deliberately alters algorithms so certain channels populate less, regardless of viewership.

"But the truth is"......Good one.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 01:52 PM
The poor, persecuted right wing. #conservativetears
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 07:02 PM
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Quote:
You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


Lol. You have no clue what you are talking about.

YouTube keeps and takes down whatever it wishes too. Lies or not. Opinions of others (politically) it chooses not to keep up; Demonetizes those channels it wants to for "violating its terms" when they don't. Deliberately alters algorithms so certain channels populate less, regardless of viewership.



I never said "YOUR TRUTH" I said "THE TRUTH"

I recognize Trumpians, Right wing hate groups, insurrectionists and the like feel as if they are having their hate speech and lies blocked so they can't infect the rest of the nation. I get that.




Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 08:46 PM
well it was obvious why they didn't yield the results wanted.

should've used Cyber Vikings instead of Ninjas. right wingers love glorifying that short stint of history like everything else.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 10:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


The lefties did explode a bomb in the Capitol.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 10:58 PM
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


TASS has had it removed.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/25/21 11:15 PM
No FOX News didn't have it removed.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 01:53 AM
The Weather Underground:

https://time.com/4549409/the-weather-underground-bad-moon-rising/


1960s Anti-Vietnam-War Group that used dynamite in their protests. Hummm.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 01:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


The lefties did explode a bomb in the Capitol.


When and where did this take place.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 01:26 PM
Apparently about 55 years ago
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 02:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


The lefties did explode a bomb in the Capitol.


When and where did this take place.


You won't like seeing this, but this did happen in 1971...causing 300k in damages.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 08:25 PM
After the game saw a commercial for some guy named GIBBONS running for office in Ohio. This guy is yet another tool calling the left leftist and socialist like the left is somehow un-American... smh

Tough guys like this crack me up. Another weirdo righty.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/26/21 08:27 PM
Glad you could go back to 1971 and dig up something that makes the right not look as bad as it is... too bad you failed and we can all see how bad the right is.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/27/21 02:46 AM
GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz said Tucker Carlson is correct about white nationalist 'replacement' conspiracy theory and called ADL racist
Kelsey Vlamis 2 hours ago


Matt Gaetz defended Tucker Carlson for peddling a white nationalist conspiracy theory last week.
Carlson said the theory is "the replacement of legacy Americans, with more obedient people from faraway countries."

Gaetz said Carlson was correct and that the ADL, which had called for Carlson's firing, was racist.

Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida appeared to endorse a white nationalist conspiracy theory that Tucker Carlson promoted on his Fox News show last week.

".@TuckerCarlson is CORRECT about Replacement Theory as he explains what is happening to America," Gaetz, a Republican, wrote in a tweet Saturday.

Carlson embraced the "Great Replacement Theory" on his show Wednesday during a segment attacking President Joe Biden for the Haitian migrant crisis that played out on the southern border last week.

He accused Biden of intentionally bringing immigrants into the country for political purposes and falsely said Biden supports open borders.

Carlson said Biden wants "to reduce the political power of people whose ancestors lived here, and dramatically increase the proportion of Americans newly arrived from the third world."

"In political terms, this policy is sometimes called the great replacement — the replacement of legacy Americans, with more obedient people from faraway countries," Carlson said.

The Great Replacement Theory has been used by white nationalists and white supremacists who argue that people of color are replacing white populations or people with European roots.

The theory has inspired violent extremists, including the shooter who killed 23 people at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, in 2019, and the gunman in the Christchurch mosque shootings in New Zealand that killed 51 people, also in 2019.

Carlson has peddled the theory on his show in the past, prompting his boss, Fox CEO Lachlan Murdoch, to assert Carlson actually rejected the theory. But the Fox News host's latest comments cleared up any confusion over where he stands on the matter.

Representatives for Gaetz and Carlson did not immediately respond to Insider's requests for comment.

In his tweet defending Carlson, Gaetz also said: "The ADL is a racist organization."

The Anti-Defamation League is an international NGO whose mission is "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people, and to secure justice and fair treatment to all."

The ADL called for Fox News to fire Carlson for endorsing the Great Replacement Theory. When Carlson peddled the theory in April, Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, also called for Carlson's firing.

The Great Replacement Theory has also been used to target Jewish people specifically.

At the white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, attendees marched while chanting: "Jews will not replace us."

The ADL did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.



https://www.businessinsider.com/matt-gae...y-theory-2021-9
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/27/21 01:26 PM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
After the game saw a commercial for some guy named GIBBONS running for office in Ohio. This guy is yet another tool calling the left leftist and socialist like the left is somehow un-American... smh

Tough guys like this crack me up. Another weirdo righty.


That commercial was ridiculous. Zero policy and 100% extremism galvanization.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/27/21 05:51 PM
Trump still out there holding rallies. Still promoting the big lie. Still leading the Republican party....

Trump takes jabs at Gov. Kemp, Raffensperger during 'Save America' rally in central Georgia

Trump first attacked Stacey Abrams before making jabs at Kemp and Raffensperger.

PERRY, Ga. — Former President Donald Trump took to the podium in south Georgia on Saturday at a 'Save America' rally, taking the opportunity again to make jabs at Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

Trump first attacked Stacey Abrams before calling the Georgia governor a "complete disaster on election integrity" while pushing false claims the 2020 Nov. election outcome was not legitimate.

"Having her might be better than having your existing governor," he said on Saturday at the Georgia National Fairgrounds in Perry on Saturday night.

The politicians have had a strained relationship since the election. Trump previously lashed out at Kemp for not intervening in the election on his behalf several times, later saying "I'm ashamed that I endorsed him." He also has made calls for Kemp's resignation.

"Stacey, would you like to take his place? It's okay with me," Trump said at the Saturday rally.

The former president continued, saying Raffensperger and Kemp are "RINOs" -- or Republicans In Name Only -- and calling on the people of Georgia to vote the Republican leaders out of office.

"In particular your incompetent and strange, there's something wrong with this guy, your Secretary of State Raffensperger," Trump said.

Last November, Raffensperger previously said he voted for the former president and felt he was being thrown under the bus by him.

Brian Kemp did not attend the Save America event. Trump did, however, shout out Republican Vernon Jones, who was at the rally on Saturday and intends to challenge Kemp for governor in the next election.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/pol...95-c43cbb7b0780
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/28/21 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Insurrection Day and Hunter Biden




Odd...all of Tucker Carlson's other videos are available.

It seems Youtube and others don't want the information about
“The Weather Underground” radical movement exploding a bomb in the U.S. Capitol to be known.


You won't like hearing this, but truth is, when Youtube takes stuff down, it's usually because it's a lie.


The lefties did explode a bomb in the Capitol.


When and where did this take place.



1971, US capitol building.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/28/21 11:39 AM
Let's keep it real - calling an extremist militant Marxist group "Lefties" as if it i0/was Democrats and represents everyone on the "Left" would be the same as branding the Capital Bldg rioters "
Pro Republicans" and branding anyone and everyone on the "Right" as insurrectionists. . . Yes it's a factual event - but the way it's being thrown into this discussion and tagged "lefties' - the implication is 100% false.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/28/21 02:28 PM
They don't care if it's false. They don't care if they have to reach back 50 years in an attempt to find an example to try and rationalize what happened on Jan. 6th.

The only time Republican politicians were honest about Jan.6th was on Jan. 6th. After that they all started to echo what Trump was saying. Their orange God "trumps" patriotism and America.

They undermined a bipartisan investigation. They're suing to keep records hidden. They are acting more like the mob than a political party. They'll go to any length to hide the facts about January 6th.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/28/21 07:03 PM
Just my opinion - but everything is about optics. To admit how horrendous Jan 6th actually was, what a black eye to the country and it's institutions and uninterrupted peaceful transition of power .... well it's too big a pill to swallow for the GOP. They Republican party has been shown (by Trump) that facts don't matter ... just get your narrative out there and stick to it no matter how many facts fly in the face of your claims and the sheep will eventually forget or accept. It's tragic.
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 02:01 AM
I wanted to say that calling the Weather Underground - Democrats is just wrong.

I would say that the GOP has far stronger ties to the militant right that did show up on Jan 6th.

Proud Boys and Oath keepers were following the Grand Cheetos orders.

“It’s going to be wild”, and it sadly was.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 02:21 AM
OSU hands out rape whistle type alarms to people in an attempt to improve the deteriorating safety of their campus. The problem is there is a criminal element. (probably more criminals than law abiding people.)

There is no reaching out to a criminal element, that is increasingly arrogant that criminal behavior must be excused accepted and advocated.
Because the authorities refuse to punish rapists, burgurlars, thieves, shooters, and people who threaten to shoot anyone minding their own business and attempting to live life.

Ohio State is also trying by putting up 24-7 search lights, track lights, big honking lights, which they recently put up 24-4. 24-4, or 24-7, as if the criminal element will even give a #$% !
Posted By: Squires Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 03:28 AM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
Let's keep it real - calling an extremist militant Marxist group "Lefties" as if it i0/was Democrats and represents everyone on the "Left" would be the same as branding the Capital Bldg rioters "
Pro Republicans" and branding anyone and everyone on the "Right" as insurrectionists. . .


Yet, that is exactly what the left does. Disagree with the liberal hive mind and you get grouped in with the insurrectionists.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 03:09 PM
You get grouped in with them when you start making excuses for their actions. You get grouped in as a Trumpian when you get sucked into the big lie. Keep up.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 03:30 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You get grouped in with them when you start making excuses for their actions. You get grouped in as a Trumpian when you get sucked into the big lie. Keep up.

You get grouped in with them for much less than that. Anybody who posts a rational thought or explanation about the nuance and motivation of anything that has gone on gets lumped in with them..

The only way to not get lumped in with them is to stick to the narrative... *beat drum* TRUMPIANS BAD *beat drum* CHEETOH MAN EVIL *beat drum* then you have to pretend that all was right with the world before Donald Trump and harken back to the good ol' days of George Bush when things were good, who the left would have hanged if given the chance....
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 03:51 PM
I would say that if someone can't see the difference in Trump and all other presidents before him then maybe they should be lumped into a group.

Sure, you can try and minimize it by saying things were bad before trump and to a point that's true. Can't really argue that point. The two party system just sucks.

But no president, ever has so outwardly done everything he could to purposefully villainize, label and use hateful, vile rhetoric to divide this nation to such a degree ever before. EVER! Refusing to step up to the plate and own that does put you in the category of denial to the point of accepting such behavior as normal and worthy of your vote.

I mean how complicated is it to say that the least Republicans can do is run a decent human being as the minimum standard? Both parties have run some fairly shady characters but this is a whole new level. And it's not even close.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 04:14 PM
Quote:
I would say that if someone can't see the difference in Trump and all other presidents before him then maybe they should be lumped into a group.

I do see the difference but I can at least respect what the Republicans were trying to do, even as I don't like the outcome. They were fed up with politicians and supported a loud mouthed outsider.. While democrats have proven their absolute love and loyalty to political lifers for as long as I can remember, then they wonder why nothing ever changes.

Though I disagreed with many of the ideas, the democrats had the most diverse primary this country has ever seen, young and old, black and white, gay and straight, and they had some pretty bold ideas getting tossed out. Who did they go with? The 77 year old, senile, milquetoast, straight, white guy, who has been in Washington for 50 years, whose whole career started and was built on a foundation of lies, and who hasn't had an original thought since the Carter administration.

My biggest fear in the whole Donald Trump experiment is that it will sour both sides from trying it again and going outside the establishment to find candidates and that we will be stuck, for another 50 years, with a bunch of Ivy League Law grads and career politicians running our country hoping to get it "back to normal" when "normal" actually sucked for a long time.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 04:37 PM
Biden certainly wasn't one of my top choices in the primaries. I too am disappointed by his selection. IMO the party could have done so much better.

As far as an outsider goes I'm not against that. But let's not pretend that all outsiders are the same. While I'm not surprised, we do see this somewhat differently. Sure, there's the aspect of Trump being an outsider.

But to me the overwhelming factor was his nastiness. He communicated exactly what many Republicans wanted to hear. He represented that everyone who wasn't a Republican was a communist, unAmerican and evil. We now even have what used to be sane posters on this very board echoing those same sentiments. He even openly attacked and labeled everyone within his own party that didn't walk lock step with his own ideas. The bottom line was you either become a Trumpian or you are no longer welcome in this party. He said the things they wanted to hear their leader say out loud. And as of this moment he is the most popular Republican that is considered possibly running for presidential nomination in 2024.

There are plenty of outsiders that are decent human beings. They wanted an outsider who wasn't. And they still do.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 04:43 PM
I definitely think we need a breath of fresh air and need to go to outsiders vs the career politicians who have bogged down the system for decades.

The problem is that you need an outsider who isn't a demagogic, self-interested, narcissistic, petulant, xenophobic grifter. I know that's being rather specific toward the last outsider who came in, but the bottom line is that you're going to need a well-funded outsider who is actually altruistic in their rationale for running, and that seems like a real rarity.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 04:49 PM
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Biden certainly wasn't one of my top choices in the primaries. I too am disappointed by his selection. IMO the party could have done so much better.

I'm still not convinced that Biden was the choice of the democrat people at large but was selected by the democratic party... Hillary proved in 2015 that the democratic primary can be rather easily manipulated by somebody with enough power and influence.

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As far as an outsider goes I'm not against that. But let's not pretend that all outsiders are the same.

All outsiders are not the same but Trump was the only one in the race at the moment. Just kind of being in the right place at the right time...

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But to me the overwhelming factor was his nastiness. He communicated exactly what many Republicans wanted to hear.

Every politician runs on a campaign of anger and fear to some extent. Even Obama, who ran on "hope and change" had an underlying message of anger and fear of the other side. Trump took it to the extreme and was very overt about it. Call it what you will but we have been conditioned to respond to that anger and fear and I think a lot of people got very wrapped up in his willingness to just come out and say it, rather than imply it and beat around the bush about it, and let his pundits say it for him..
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 04:58 PM
I'm an advocate of exactly what you're speaking of. There is only one caveat that concerns me in regards to this. And that is that Washington sadly doesn't run and work like anything else I can think of. Learning the ropes as I would call it has a huge learning curve. I don't believe that having an outsider as president alone would actually fix much if anything since he or she would be working against a huge group of insiders no matter the party. But you have to start somewhere. An actual total overhaul of the political system in this country will be needed before we can even come close to fixing it all.

I didn't feel I had any choice but vote democrat in 2020. It was either that or Trump. I'm certainly not of the progressive variety so my choices weren't people like Bernie or Liz. Not that I have anything against them per say.

My top two choices in order were Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar. Mayor Pete is certainly an outsider and while Amy is more of a career politician, after Mayor Pete I didn't really see a moderate outsider in the crowd.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 05:04 PM
Hope and Change evokes hope, not fear. There is nothing in that message that evokes anything but the hope that you can change things for the better. I think that's a reach of epic proportion on your part.

Trying to imply the only real difference between Obama's message and Trump's message was that, "Trump took it to the extreme and was very overt about it", is totally from left field.

I certainly agree with you about the Democratic party heavily influencing who their candidate will be. They have the "next in line" mentality that I despise.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 05:35 PM
The reason why Biden won the primary is that dems wanted someone who would beat trump. To do that you had to be able to get the moderate republicans to either vote for you or to at least feel okay not voting.

No republican would vote Warren and Bernie who are way to progressive. I don't know if I could have voted for them either.

Moderate republicans wouldn't vote Chang because of his universal income ideas.

And as much as I hate to say it out loud, I don't believe this country is to the point that a woman or a gay guy could win. So Harris, Klobacher, Pete as are all out. (For the record, I thought Pete would have made the best president out of everyone running).

Bloomberg was too republican to get the liberal vote.

So that left Biden.
Did I miss anyone?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 05:57 PM
I don't actually disagree with your premise. As for myself in the primary I simply voted for the candidate I thought would make the best president. It seems we agree that would have been Mayor Pete.

Not only do I agree with you that sadly this country is not ready for a gay president, I don't think they're actually ready for a smart one either. That left Mayor Pete out on both counts.
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 07:48 PM
How soon we forget.

The last election was about selecting a candidate that would beat Trump. Trump knew it too, just ask Hunter.

The dems had an open free for all, and there was going to be no clear winner, and they did not want it to go to the convention and have a floor fight.

Clyburn spoke up, made some sense, and poof, we had Biden.

I would have rather seen someone else, but grandpa Joe was the choice.

I am glad they did not rally around Bernie or Liz. They would have been skewered.

And it was still close.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 10:14 PM
Originally Posted By: ChargerDawg

I am glad they did not rally around Bernie or Liz. They would have been skewered.


100%
Posted By: Squires Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/29/21 11:30 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You get grouped in with them when you start making excuses for their actions. You get grouped in as a Trumpian when you get sucked into the big lie. Keep up.


Where did I make excuses or say I supported the big lie? You're the one always claiming facts matter. Funny how you throw that out the window when it doesn't fit your agenda.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/30/21 01:11 AM
I'm liking Sasse more and more these days

Sen. Ben Sasse said Reps. Matt Gaetz, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Marjorie Taylor Greene aren't 'serious adults'
Bryan Metzger 5 hours ago


Sen. Ben Sasse said he's tired of getting asked about statements by other members of Congress.
"I don't give a [censored]," Sasse said. "In a republic, nobody should care about that."
Sasse said Reps. Matt Gaetz, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Marjorie Taylor Greene aren't "serious adults."

Republican Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska offered some choice words for both the Capitol hill press corps and controversial House members, including two from his own party, in a conversation with The Atlantic's editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg on Wednesday.

Sasse spoke broadly about the harms of being too obsessed with politics and how the digital age affects political engagement, and also recounted an interaction with a reporter at the US Capitol that he believes illustrates the problem.

"I had a reporter shove her iPhone into my ribcage in early August on Capitol Hill saying, 'You've been ducking us all, Ben!'" he began, before claiming that his congressional office is quick to respond to media requests.

"Tell me more, what am I ducking you on?" Sasse said he asked the reporter.

"We want to know: what do you think about what Matt Gaetz said, about what AOC said, about what Marjorie Taylor Greene did," Sasse said the reporter asked, referring to Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York as well as the two far-right House Republicans.

"And I don't give a [censored]. Like the – in a republic, nobody should care about that. You just named three people who aren't serious adults," Sasse said.

"They don't actually have an agenda for 2030 America, and the reason I ran for re-election is because I'm worried about the future of work, the future of war, the first amendment culture in a world that moves to primarily digital rather than in-person public squares," he added.

This is not the first time the Nebraska Republican has called out members of his own party. In an interview with POLITICO in February, Sasse said that Gaetz was "not an adult," and that he wanted to help recruit "candidates that want to do something more than Marjorie Taylor Greene."

Sasse also wrote an op-ed for The Atlantic in January where he said Greene was "cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" and said that House GOP Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy "failed the leadership test" by welcoming her into the caucus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ben-sass...s-adults-2021-9
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/30/21 01:26 AM
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/30/21 03:51 AM
"Wha-wha..."
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/30/21 03:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Squires
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You get grouped in with them when you start making excuses for their actions. You get grouped in as a Trumpian when you get sucked into the big lie. Keep up.


Where did I make excuses or say I supported the big lie? You're the one always claiming facts matter. Funny how you throw that out the window when it doesn't fit your agenda.


When did I call you a Trumpian? I didn't. I simply explained what it takes to fall into that group.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 09/30/21 05:52 PM
saywhat
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/02/21 12:06 AM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/02/21 12:12 AM
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/02/21 06:06 PM
Jones deserves every bad thing that comes his way.
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 07:45 AM
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg



Occupy Democrats is used more and more as a source...


Welcome Gateway Pundit... thumbsup
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 12:37 PM
Wouldn't call it a source so much as a popular dem twitter account that is usually factually correct. So, better than a GOPer source.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 01:21 PM
So was he not found liable?
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 02:19 PM
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
So was he not found liable?


Fish is checking Brietbart, NewsMaxx, OANN, and InfoWars to see if he can verify it as factual.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 02:27 PM
Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg



Occupy Democrats is used more and more as a source...


Welcome Gateway Pundit... thumbsup


So, are you saying that Jones didn't lose the lawsuits? Are you saying that the thing posted is UNtrue?

I mean, if you aren't saying that, they I have no frickin idea what's up in your brain
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 02:43 PM
A simple google search confirms the statement.

Reuters -Alex Jones
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 03:12 PM
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
So was he not found liable?


Fish is checking Brietbart, NewsMaxx, OANN, and InfoWars to see if he can verify it as factual.


I DO NOT follow InfoWars or Alex Jones. I do follow Occupy Democrats though, and the propaganda they put out that so many on this board use as talking points.

I used OCD's post to showcase the use of 'OCCUPY DEMOCRATS' as a source.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 03:14 PM
So what was said is true you just don't like who said it?
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 03:28 PM
He’ll get back to this conversation after Tucker or Hannity makes a statement.

(Glad to not have to include Rush in these types of statements anymore. Ding dong that witch is dead!!)
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/03/21 09:31 PM
Washington Examiner
Lin Wood claims 'no plane fragments found' at 9/11 target sites
Kaelan Deese
Sun, October 3, 2021, 4:29 PM·2 min read


Lin Wood, one of the lawyers who filed several lawsuits alleging massive election fraud following the 2020 election, claimed Friday there were "no plane fragments found" at the target sites of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"Let's talk about CGI — computer graphics generated images. You know what CGI is? You know what deep fake videos are? I know you know what Photoshopping is," Wood told a crowd gathered in Glynn County, Georgia, on Friday.

Wood shared the clip of his remarks to his Telegram channel from the event in Georgia, where he also called former President George W. Bush "a criminal," adding he should "go to jail."

"Many people in the country want to hear it. We ALL need to hear it and face it. We must face the TRUTH, the good, the bad, and the ugly," Wood wrote in the Telegram post. "The TRUTH about 9/11 is ugly."

Wood went on to discuss the World Trade Center towers that were struck by planes, saying, "What appeared to be a plane hit one building, what appeared to be a plane hit another building, then later that night another building fell down. It wasn't hit by a dadgum thing."

Wood also claimed that the fall of the WTC 7 building, which came hours after the fall of the towers due to flames inside the tower, was where "the papers were about the missing money," the attorney added, referring to alleged "stolen" and "missing" money from the U.S. Defense budget.

Wood alleged the Pentagon "got hit by a missile" and said, "There were no plane fragments found at any of the sites — New York, Pennsylvania, the Pentagon." Wood suggests that the footage from the incident is fabricated, despite evidence of plane wreckage from the WTC attacks existing in the New York State Museum and evidence of wreckage from the Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania.

Wood, the attorney known for successfully aiding Richard Jewell after Jewell was named a prime suspect in the aftermath of the 1996 Atlanta bombing, was recently penalized alongside eight other lawyers for backing a Michigan lawsuit last fall in support of former President Donald Trump's election fraud claims.

U.S. District Judge Linda Parker said the lawsuit last fall was a sham intended to deceive the court and the public just a few days after Biden's 154,000-vote victory in the state was certified.


When contacted by the Washington Examiner for comment, Wood said that his statements were solely his "opinions" and refused to answer any questions regarding evidence for his claims.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/lin-wood-claims-no-plane-202900650.html
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/04/21 01:35 PM
That is beyond despicable.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/04/21 02:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Jester


U.S. District Judge Linda Parker said the lawsuit last fall was a sham intended to deceive the court and the public just a few days after Biden's 154,000-vote victory in the state was certified.


Apparently the judge should STFU about a topic so obvious - and clearly the judge is part of the problem because they won't let the topic die.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/05/21 04:02 PM
Trump Unveils New Super PAC And Twitter Users Can't Stop Howling At The Name

Ed Mazza
Tue, October 5, 2021, 2:11 AM·2 min read

Donald Trump announced a new super PAC on Monday ― and his critics couldn’t get over the name: “Make America Great Again, Again.”

The awkward moniker has been used before by Trump’s allies, including former Vice President Mike Pence, who tested it out at the Republican National Convention in 2020 to similar confusion on social media at the time.

In this case, New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman said the rebrand was a way to sideline longtime Trump aide Corey Lewandowski, who was purged from the former president’s orbit after being accused of sexual misconduct last week. However, Lewandowski remains in charge of the current PAC, “Make America Great Again Action.”

“Trump folks had no way to legally replace Lewandowski, one of two board members of the first super PAC, unless he stepped down, so they’re now forming a new group,” Haberman wrote on Twitter.


Click the link if you want to see the attached twitter responses



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-unveils-super-pac-twitter-061156945.html
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/05/21 06:03 PM
First think I thought was that this was an article from the Onion.. And still, some folks supporter him.....

If it wasn't so sad, it would really be funny.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/05/21 11:32 PM
Mitch McConnell's debt ceiling politics show how 'one party has gone crazy,' Senate Democrat says
Ayelet Sheffey 4 hours ago

Hawaii Sen. Brian Schatz told the NYT the debt ceiling showdowns only jeopardize the economy.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has blocked Democrats' attempts to raise the ceiling.
This is forcing Democrats to devise a solution to prevent the US from defaulting on Oct. 18.
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As the US creeps toward a default on its debt, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has held firm that Democrats must raise the debt ceiling on their own without Republican help. Hawaii's Democratic Sen. Brian Schatz told the New York Times that these showdowns only bring the country closer to economic catastrophe.

"I have learned over many years that we cannot negotiate over things like whether or not to destroy the economy," Schatz told the Times. "American politics has gone crazy because one party has gone crazy," he added.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Congress last month it has until October 18 to raise or suspend the debt limit before the US runs out of money to pay its bills. Since then, Democrats have attempted to pass legislation that would raise the limit, but McConnell led his party in blocking the measure, remaining adamant that the GOP will not help finance Democrats' $3.5 trillion social-spending package by raising the debt limit.

Insider reported on Monday that McConnell accused Democrats of "sleepwalking" toward a debt default in a letter to President Joe Biden — even after he has blocked every measure they've tried for raising the debt limit — saying that "bipartisanship is not a light switch that Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer may flip on to borrow money and flip off to spend it."


"Republicans' position is simple. We have no list of demands," he wrote. "For two and a half months, we have simply warned that since your party wishes to govern alone, it must handle the debt limit alone as well."

The House is planning on introducing a measure to suspend the debt limit on Wednesday that will likely once again be blocked by McConnell because he wants Democrats to use reconciliation to raise the debt limit, which can be done without any Republican votes.

But Biden said during Monday remarks that going that route would be "an incredibly complicated and cumbersome process," and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer echoed the president's remarks on Tuesday, telling reporters that Democrats "do not have the luxury of using a drawn out, convoluted and risky process."

"If Republicans could just get out of the damn way, we could get this done," Schumer said.


As Insider has previously reported, while the government has raised the debt ceiling 57 times to avoid a debt default since 1917, it has become more of a political tool than a true threshold. For example, in 2013, under President Barack Obama, the GOP refused to raise the debt ceiling unless the Affordable Care Act was defunded, which caused the government to shut down for 16 days.

This time around is different, given that the GOP has not demanded anything from Democrats aside from using reconciliation, but the showdown means Democrats have to quickly come up with a solution on a tight deadline before the country defaults on its debt for the first time in history.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-mitch-mcconnell-has-gone-crazy-debt-ceiling-brian-schatz-2021-10
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 12:09 PM
"..... have to quickly come up with a solution on a tight deadline before the country defaults on its debt for the first time in history."

Don't they say this every couple years anymore?
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 12:24 PM
Idaho lieutenant governor bans vaccine mandates, tries to deploy National Guard during governor's 2-day trip
Peter Weber, Senior editor
Wed, October 6, 2021, 1:21 AM·2 min read



"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em," William Shakespeare wrote in Twelfth Night, setting up a prank to humiliate a pretentious servant. It isn't clear which camp Idaho Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin (R) would place herself in, but on Tuesday she took advantage of Gov. Brad Little's (R) out-of-state travels — for the second time this year — to issue a pandemic-related executive order and move to press the Idaho National Guard into border patrol duty.

As soon as Little left to meet with nine other GOP governors in Texas, McGeachin issued an executive order prohibiting private companies from requiring employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19, among other things. She also asked Maj. Gen. Michael J. Garshak how she could activate the National Guard and send them to the U.S.-Mexico border, The Associated Press reports.

"I am unaware of any request for Idaho National Guard assistance under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact (EMAC) from Texas or Arizona," Garshak said in a one-paragraph reply. "As you are aware, the Idaho National Guard is not a law enforcement agency."

Little, who did send State Police troopers to the border in June to help stop cross-border drug trafficking, was a little more direct. "I am in Texas performing my duties as the duly elected governor of Idaho, and I have not authorized the lieutenant governor to act on my behalf," he said in a statement. "I will be rescinding and reversing any actions taken by the lieutenant governor when I return." He added, "Attempting to deploy our National Guard for political grandstanding is an affront to the Idaho constitution and insults the men and women who have dedicated their life to serving our state and the country."

In May, McGeachin issued a ban on mask mandates when Little was on an official trip to Tennessee. Little rescinded that order as soon as he returned. McGeachin is one of a crowded field of Republicans running to replace Little in 2022. Little has not indicated whether he is seeking re-election.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-lieutenant-governor-bans-vaccine-052122974.html
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 01:27 PM
Idaho is a beautiful state that’s sadly filled with a lot of fringe element, right wing nut job, neo Nazi, white nationalist, gun toting ‘playtriot’ gravy-seal types. A bunch of COVID denying idiots that then have to ship their sick over state lines as their hospital systems are overrun. It’s the Florida of the PacNW.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 03:16 PM
Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
"..... have to quickly come up with a solution on a tight deadline before the country defaults on its debt for the first time in history."

Don't they say this every couple years anymore?


They do. However, let's look at the latest examples. During Trump's presidency the debt ceiling was raised three times. I never recall either party actually willing to use the filibuster to block raising the debt ceiling before.

Sadly, and many voters do not know, that the debt ceiling would actually have to be raised to cover the spending that the GOP themselves approved when Trump was president.

So we'll see. But as of now they're willing to use a pretty shady tactic to block a measure to pay for the very spending they themselves approved. So it's a little different this time around.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 06:00 PM
Here is my issue with the debt: I don't know WHEN it will happen, but it will. I don't know which party will have the presidency or congress, but it WILL happen.

What is the 'it'?

This country will fall apart due to the debt.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 06:36 PM
I actually do not disagree with you. The problem being is that when you have made the debt already, you have an obligation to pay the bills. And yes, I understand it doesn't actually "pay the debt". But you have to at least pay the interest on the debt so as not to default.

You may find the thread on the Democrats trying to pass the "build back better" bill for my feelings about it. My take on it is that Democrats told us it will be paid for by increasing taxes on the rich and corporations so they pay the same tax rate as the average American worker. While we may disagree on that part, the discussion was between myself and OCD. His take was pass the bill now and later they would fix the tax code to pay for it.

My take was to fix the tax code first before you spend the money. I've never been in favor of politicians spending money with no way to pay for it. Sometimes it's such an emergency that they must. But if politicians sit there and tell me they have a way to pay for something, come up with the money first before you spend it.

The money spent to pay the current debt was created under Trump with the republicans voting to spend it. Now they don't want to vote to pay the bill they actually helped create themselves. That's the point where we're at now.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 06:44 PM
And, if you want to get hung up on which party did what, we're done. I'm not blaming party/parties. Both equally at fault, regardless of your opinion.

I just know it WILL happen.

I don't believe you will ever see me saying the growing debt is NOT a problem, regardless of who was in charge.

A deficit, as you said, might be necessary at certain times due to issues beyond anyone's control. I get that.

But the debt grows, yearly, under who ever is in 'charge' Has for a long time.

We can't tax our way out of it. Again, I don't know WHEN the collapse will happen, I just know it will.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 07:02 PM
Both parties are guilty of increasing the debt. There's no doubt about it. I've also done my best to explain it to you that I too have a problem with an ever increasing debt load. I actually pointed out the latest example by pointing at my desire to have the democrats pay for the build back better bill before they ever spend the money. That isn't what they are doing. But I guess you missed that part?

What I did was give you information about what is happening "this time".

So let's recap. I blame the Democrats for spending money they have not passed the tax code to pay for. I pointed out that raising the debt ceiling on debt they created is what the republicans are doing now.

But somehow you think I'm taking a side and only blaming one party?

This is why we can never have productive discussions.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 07:17 PM
YOU are why no productive discussion comes about. If I don't post for several days, you get giddy about 'running me off', and you also get into it with others.

You are an argument looking for any excuse.

Carry on.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/06/21 07:20 PM
Can you explain what any of that has to do with the topic we were discussing? No, you can't. At least I was trying. Your responses make it obvious you are not.

You're sad bud.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 01:56 PM
Southlake school leader tells teachers to balance Holocaust books with 'opposing' views

Teachers in the Carroll school district say they fear being punished for stocking classrooms with books dealing with racism, slavery and now the Holocaust.

SOUTHLAKE, Texas � A top administrator with the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake advised teachers last week that if they have a book about the Holocaust in their classroom, they should also offer students access to a book from an �opposing� perspective, according to an audio recording obtained by NBC News.

Gina Peddy, the Carroll school district�s executive director of curriculum and instruction, made the comment Friday afternoon during a training session on which books teachers can have in classroom libraries. The training came four days after the Carroll school board, responding to a parent�s complaint, voted to reprimand a fourth grade teacher who had kept an anti-racism book in her classroom.

A Carroll staff member secretly recorded the Friday training and shared the audio with NBC News.

�Just try to remember the concepts of [House Bill] 3979,� Peddy said in the recording, referring to a new Texas law that requires teachers to present multiple perspectives when discussing �widely debated and currently controversial� issues. �And make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust,� Peddy continued, �that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives.�

�How do you oppose the Holocaust?� one teacher said in response.

�Believe me,� Peddy said. �That�s come up.�

***VIDEOS/SOUND CLIPS/ENTIRE ARTICLE*** @ link.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southlake-texas-holocaust-books-schools-rcna2965
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 03:49 PM


https://twitter.com/politicususa/status/1448793669012762625?s=20
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 03:52 PM


https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1449012886114902017?s=20
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 03:54 PM
The Jon Gruden of FOX News.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 04:20 PM

He tried it once while abroad and didn't like it apparently !
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 06:57 PM




White House: Pete Buttigieg a �Role Model� for Taking Two Months Paid Paternity Leave During Crisis


"As cargo ships congested at U.S. ports, creating an unprecedented
supply-chain crisis, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg was on paid
leave to spend time with his husband, Chasten, and their two newborn
babies."

Wow! When I was employed by the government, you weren't offered two months' leave and only 'Mothers' were eligible.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 07:08 PM
This is what progress looks like.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/15/21 08:03 PM
Yes, while the nation is suffering in the transportation aspect, the sec. of transportation should take 2 months of paid leave, while his husband, a teacher, and writer, still works? Or did Chasten take 2 months off also. He did when buttigieg was running.

The Sec. of transportation, who had no relevancy to transportation other than "I like transportation" and yeah, me and my bike were hauled close to where I work in an SUV, so I could unload my bike and then act like I rode it to work"........show's one of 2 things: The sec. of transportation is a useless job, or, Pete doesn't care about his job. Take your pick.
Posted By: fishtheice Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
This is what progress looks like.


This is what your idea of progress looks like...not a good look!





Log Cabin Republicans Blast Pete Buttigieg: Transportation Secretary �Went MIA� During Supply Chain Crisis

Jacob Bliss

15 Oct 2021


The largest organization of LGBT conservatives in the United States blasted Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg for being on paid leave to spend time with his husband and their two newborn babies during a supply chain crisis.

�Buttigieg is the second openly-gay cabinet secretary, but he is the first to fail at his job. Amid an unprecedented supply-chain crisis that is ripping apart America�s economy, Buttigieg went MIA from the Department of Transportation for nearly two months,� the Log Cabin Republicans said in a statement.


Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

�It�s clear he doesn�t respect the gravity of his job, but even if he had showed up for work, it wouldn�t have made a difference,� the organization continued. �Buttigieg was and remains completely unqualified to lead the Department of Transportation and was clearly hired by Joe Biden because he was gay and the Left prioritizes identity politics and wokeism.�

Buttigieg has been absent during a months-long cargo ship crisis, contributing to empty store shelves. The cost of moving goods around the country has soared recently, adding to inflation and setting consumer prices skyrocketing, according to data from the Labor Department.

The secretary, in July, held a roundtable on the issue. Still, the traffic jam due to various factors, rising import demand, insufficient trucking, and workers� reluctance to do night shifts has since grown worse.

�If the DC media wasn�t so in the tank for Joe Biden and the Left, this story would have been reported weeks ago,� the Log Cabin Republicans added. �Instead, it�s alarming that a cabinet secretary in Joe Biden�s Washington can leave work for weeks and no one in the Washington press corps notices.�

This week, after Buttigieg�s whereabouts have been questioned during the ongoing crisis, Politico�s West Wing Playbook confirmed that Buttigieg was �lying low.�

�They didn�t previously announce it, but Buttigieg�s office told West Wing Playbook that the secretary has actually been on paid leave since mid-August to spend time with his husband, Chasten, and their two newborn babies,� Playbook reported.

�For the first four weeks, he was mostly offline except for major agency decisions and matters that could not be delegated,� a spokesperson for the Department of Transportation said to Playbook. �He has been ramping up activities since then.� As he does that, Buttigieg will �continue to take some time over the coming weeks to support his husband and take care of his new children.�

Richard Grenell, the first openly-gay cabinet-level official � serving as acting director of national intelligence under former President Donald Trump � as well as former ambassador to Germany, said, �It�s clear Pete Buttigieg was hired because he�s gay. After 6 months on the job he takes 2 months off?! This is what we get when Cabinet hires are made according to the woke rules of identity politics.�

�If the Secretary of Transportation had been focused on solving the supply chain problem back in July then we wouldn�t be in this deep of a crisis,� Grenell added.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ary-went-mia-during-supply-chain-crisis/
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 02:31 AM
He had twins and has that benefit. It's not like there isn't a full-time employee that's been there for years running the place anyway... If your jobs gave you this time off when your kids were born, you would have used it. Don't even try to deny it.

But I must be honest fish, it all kind of irks me too. Imagine where we would be if there was never a Trump presidency! SMDH.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 02:47 PM
It is sad you think he can hire truck drivers. I find it hilarious that when government interferes in business you say they should not interfere. When they don't interfere or lack the ability to hire truck drivers for private business you then point your finger. But having selective opinions to suit your purpose doesn't surprise me. I guess you think had he have been in Washington he could have clicked his heels together and suddenly tens of thousands of truck drivers would have appeared.

Next thing you know you'll be slamming Biden for making ports stay open 24 hours to try and help alleviate the problem. The two faces of arch.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 02:48 PM
Breitbart posts a Republican slamming a Democrat. News at 11:00. rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 06:13 PM
Capitol rioter admits to two new felonies while representing himself in bond hearing

Brandon Fellows sought to have his bond status revoked, only to make the legal case against him stronger.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/.../65-a40af9c2-9809-4adb-aaec-7e36ad12b308

Dee dee dee!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 06:10 PM
Capitol rioter admits to two new felonies while representing himself in bond hearing

Brandon Fellows sought to have his bond status revoked, only to make the legal case against him stronger.

WASHINGTON � Before his bond hearing began Tuesday, a federal judge warned Brandon Fellows he could be opening himself up to perjury � or even obstruction of justice � charges if he testified on his own behalf, and that he would likely be going back to jail, regardless. Two hours later, the judge�s warning turned out to be prescient.

�Most people do not do this,� U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden told Fellows. �Obviously your attorney has discouraged this. I do not think this is a good idea� but I�m going to allow you to take the stand, if you wish.�

Fellows is an Albany, New York, resident under indictment on a felony charge of obstruction of an official proceeding in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. In charging documents, prosecutors say Fellows entered the Capitol through a broken window and wound up smoking marijuana in Sen. Jeff Merkley�s (D-OR) office.

Fellows was initially granted pretrial release, but was ordered back into custody in June after repeated violations, including missing a court-ordered mental health evaluation and allegedly calling a probation officer�s mother. The Justice Department also said when a clerk of the court attempted to contact Fellows about another violation � allegations that he was harassing a former girlfriend � it was discovered he had apparently put the number for the judge�s wife�s office instead of his own.

Last month, Fellows asked McFadden to allow him to represent himself pro se in his case � saying he had spent the previous two weeks in the D.C. Jail�s law library and determined that was what he wanted. Despite warning him, repeatedly, of the possible consequences of going it alone with no formal law training, McFadden ultimately granted Fellows� request.

On Tuesday, Fellows appeared before the judge for his first full hearing as his own counsel to argue his bond status should be reconsidered. When McFadden denied his request to call his former public defender, Cara Halverson, as a witness, Fellows instead described a conversation he said he recorded with her about a �loophole� he�d found that could get McFadden removed from the case.

Fellows said he asked Halverson if he should contact McFadden�s family as a means of disqualifying him from presiding over his case. He also said he had told Halverson � to her horror � about a previous occasion in which he�d intentionally put the phone number of another judge�s wife as his emergency contact in order to get a new judge. In that case, the judge was replaced with another.

Fellows said Halverson told him that was illegal, and if that he tried to do that with McFadden he would wind up in jail on even more serious charges.

�When I�m worried, I don�t make the most understandable decisions,� Fellows told McFadden later in explanation.

Over the course of the nearly 2-hour hearing, Fellows rambled across a difficult-to-follow litany of complaints about his incarceration, stopping to touch on subjects as widely varied as the Taliban, Guantanamo Bay, a woman who�d left her child in a dumpster and a �constitutional lawyer� who had allegedly advised him to wrap his cell phone in tin foil to avoid capture.

In her much shorter cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Furst got Fellows to admit � under oath � that he had climbed into the Capitol through a broken window without police permission, that he had used the previous judge�s wife�s contact information to try to get him removed from the case and that he had missed court-ordered mental health and drug testing appointments.

McFadden, having listened to him talk for nearly two hours, then brought Fellows back down to Earth.

�You are charged with a federal felony,� McFadden said. �This is not a community college where you get pats on the back.�

�You�ve admitted to incredible lapses of judgment here on the stand, not least of which was seeking to disqualify a New York state judge,� the judge continued. �You�ve admitted to obstruction of justice in that case, and you�ve admitted to what was probably obstruction in this case in trying to have me disqualified, and only Ms. Halverson�s advice stopped you from doing so. You�ve engaged in a pattern of behaviors that shows contempt for the criminal justice system, and I just have no confidence that you will follow my orders if I release you.�

McFadden then denied Fellows� request to reopen his detention status and ordered him back into the custody of the D.C. Jail.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/.../65-a40af9c2-9809-4adb-aaec-7e36ad12b308
Posted By: RememberMuni Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 06:48 PM
The Honorable Donald Trump:

62,984, 828 votes in 2016

74,222,958 votes in 2020

And growing exponentially. Given Biden's performance over the last year, I'd say it's a certainty that if Trump has any interest at all in running, he wins in a landslide in 2024. - Winning the election is one thing, defeating fraud is another. I'd say the Republicans are doing a good job in ensuring a more legitimate outcome given all of the reform with the election laws in places like Texas and Georgia.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 06:58 PM
That's the same thing they were saying in 2020. As a matter of fact the majority of Republicans and their politicians are still spreading that lie. At least come up with some new material.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/16/21 06:54 PM
Winning by a landslide is what they said in 2020. As a matter of fact, the majority of Republicans and their politicians are still spreading that lie.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/17/21 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by RememberMuni
The Honorable Donald Trump:

62,984, 828 votes in 2016

74,222,958 votes in 2020

And growing exponentially. Given Biden's performance over the last year, I'd say it's a certainty that if Trump has any interest at all in running, he wins in a landslide in 2024. - Winning the election is one thing, defeating fraud is another. I'd say the Republicans are doing a good job in ensuring a more legitimate outcome given all of the reform with the election laws in places like Texas and Georgia.

rofl You're a riot! I haven't seen such a delusional Trumpian in here since... well, since diam started posting again. But before that it had to be either that dude that thought he was a genius (forgetting his name since he was banned constantly), or maybe even the first bigot/troll/Trumpian meme poster that got banned way back in 2016 or 17. What was his name? Their names... Help me out here guys, brain cramps. Smh, anyway, your political and world views are so far off rationality, truth, and normal that one can't help but look at you as an oddity of human evolution. And I find that terribly sad because I don't think all the shrinks in the world will ever be able to fix you lot. Trump, fox news, and the far-right fascist bigoted agenda has permanently rewired your brains to a state of hate and mistrust. You will cling to proven lies over verified facts like a child denying being bad when caught in the actual bad act! Rational people don't know what to make of the idiocy that has become the republican party. Seriously, what do you do in a two-party system when one party goes completely off the rails? And of course, you will try to say that it's dems off the rails, BUT THE WHOLE WORLD DISAGREES. Like I said, you're a riot.

Nelson? Was that the "genius"?
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/17/21 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by RememberMuni
The Honorable Donald Trump:

62,984, 828 votes in 2016

74,222,958 votes in 2020

And growing exponentially. Given Biden's performance over the last year, I'd say it's a certainty that if Trump has any interest at all in running, he wins in a landslide in 2024. - Winning the election is one thing, defeating fraud is another. I'd say the Republicans are doing a good job in ensuring a more legitimate outcome given all of the reform with the election laws in places like Texas and Georgia.
Originally Posted by RememberMuni
The Honorable Donald Trump:

62,984, 828 votes in 2016

74,222,958 votes in 2020

And growing exponentially. Given Biden's performance over the last year, I'd say it's a certainty that if Trump has any interest at all in running, he wins in a landslide in 2024. - Winning the election is one thing, defeating fraud is another. I'd say the Republicans are doing a good job in ensuring a more legitimate outcome given all of the reform with the election laws in places like Texas and Georgia.


That is all nice and fine until you realize that Trump motivated 15-16 more to vote against him. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, and Biden wound up with 81 million.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/18/21 02:50 PM
Yeah, it was Nelson. The whole thing went off the rails with ice cream cone euphemisms in a back-and-forth he had with PDR/PDF, who I really miss by the way. I feel like he would be good to have back on the board in the current climate. Not even that I agree with him all the time - and he did troll A LOT - but I appreciated his perspective when he was substantive.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/23/21 08:35 PM






Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/23/21 10:14 PM
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/24/21 01:16 PM
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The Honorable Donald Trump:

Pretty much stopped reading right there... Trump is anything but honorable.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/24/21 08:59 PM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/24/21 11:33 PM
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Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 02:38 AM


From a Qanon religious political meeting...
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 02:59 AM
jc

Its kind of hilarious how libtards crap themselves on a daily basis about that bogeyman Trump.

I just have to laugh.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 12:52 PM
It’s not so hilarious how some ‘conservtards’ act like donny isn’t going to be nominated by their party to run again in a couple years. And how you all act like he holds no power over you… yet you’ll gladly pull the handle for his stupid arse.

Hey Eve remember when we told you over an over and over and over that you could be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic of COVID and you got it and ended up ranting that no one told you?
Well we’re telling you donny is a dangerous idiot and your party is going to put him in power again. Don’t act like you weren’t warned this time. Though you’ll likely vote for him because the conservtard runs deep in you.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 01:51 PM
Man, what the hell is happening to people? Everyone is going crazy.

There seem to be all these great crusades. Everyone is seeking to destroy and disparage. So much manufactured fear and desperation.

I think his tweet captured it accurately. For whatever reason, the dynamic changed from "Hey, let's be friends, despite our differences" to "I will smite thee!"

It's the same dynamic that is tearing my family apart (birth family, not wife and kids).

In thinking about the nature and topic of this thread, I came to the realization that I have been more upset about what Republicans have become for two reasons: 1) Because they - the partisan politicians as a whole - have definitely gone off the deep end. The growing breed of people like MTG, Gaetz, Cruz, Hawley, Cawthorne, etc. has moved from fringe to front-and-center, and 2) Because I was a part of the Republicans in the past. I have often spoken about being conservative in its original sense, where working hard is what gets you rewarded, but you also don't rig the system for billionaires. Where you don't necessarily care about what other people are doing, as long as it doesn't impinge on other people's rights. Those ideals are long-gone in modern Republicans. Seeing what they have become has upset me because of my previous affiliation to them. It's like when you see your kid misbehaving vs other kids. You act out more harshly.

This mob mentality has taken over, and it's both sickening and extremely alarming. Liz Cheney was ousted from her spot because she voted her conscience, against her career ambitions. The former president has made it his personal vendetta to go after all the people of his same party who voted in a manner in which they saw fit. Anthony Gonzalez - who I knew as a really good dude in high school - is going to leave his post because of the mob mentality. "You're with us or against us." Is that really how our voting system should be designed to work. Should we have a party who is beholden to one man? Is that what our founding fathers strove for?

You see nomenclature like RINO - Republican in Name Only. How stupid is that? It's not a gang. It's not a club. It was founded as a collective grouping of people to collaboratively forge a conservative model of governing. Now, it's a corrupted organism where its members must fall in line or they will be buried.

I bet many people have forgotten, but after Trump was elected in 2016, OCD started a "Credit Given Where It's Due" thread that actually talked about all the policies Trump pushed for and signed off that OCD and other liberally-affiliated people on the board actually praised him for what he was doing, even though they were criticizing him in other threads.

So, what do we have now from the other side? We have a "Thanks Y'all!" thread which is so mind-numbingly childish. Pejoratives like "JoKe" from the same person that brought all of us "ObumA" where discourse with any opposing view is refused. Just wants to dish it out, but can't take it. Others joined in and the frenzy is on. But you know what, that's where that side has gotten. Nobody wants to hear something that might lead them to believe they are wrong. We all just want to be in our echo chambers and hear what we want and rile each other up who think like we do.

Oh well...carry on, Republicans.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
It’s not so hilarious how some ‘conservtards’ act like donny isn’t going to be nominated by their party to run again in a couple years. And how you all act like he holds no power over you… yet you’ll gladly pull the handle for his stupid arse.

Hey Eve remember when we told you over an over and over and over that you could be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic of COVID and you got it and ended up ranting that no one told you?
Well we’re telling you donny is a dangerous idiot and your party is going to put him in power again. Don’t act like you weren’t warned this time. Though you’ll likely vote for him because the conservtard runs deep in you.

I have news for you. Trump isn't going to be re-elected. Stop shaking in your boots. The sky isn't falling. You don't need to curl up in the fetal position.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 06:48 PM
He never said a damn thing about Trump being re-elected. HE SAID Trump will be the GOPer nominee... and all signs say he will.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
He never said a damn thing about Trump being re-elected. HE SAID Trump will be the GOPer nominee... and all signs say he will.

I see you need a news flash also. Conservative moderates don't like him, so it's not likely he will be the nominee. Stop shaking in your boots. It's like you give yourself a heart attack every five minutes. Sing Soft Kitty to yourself or something.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 07:37 PM
Conservative moderates didn't like him the first time. Your party keep catering to him. They keep promoting the big lie. He leads by a wide margin in every Republican poll to be your next nominee. Trying to claim that isn't what's happening is denying every form of evidence available. If you want to talk about who is really shaking in their boots, you need look no further than every Republican politician who doesn't have the stand to step up to him.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/26/21 08:01 PM
Trump was - is and will remain the firm favorite to be the GOP nominee in the next election.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/republican-party-presidential-nominee-odds/

He is very relevant in any discussion regards politics.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/28/21 08:15 AM
Book banning... smh. Republicans are killing themselves.

Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/28/21 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Book banning... smh. Republicans are killing themselves.


I know someone that would call it Communism if that was the Dems !

Unbelievable. Orwellian. Dictator State.

And the Trumpian supporters will cry and lay a narrative about the "left" having a cancel culture.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/31/21 03:45 PM

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1454490827116449800?s=20
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 10/31/21 09:21 PM
BIGOTED GOP Rep - Society PLAGUED By Gay Marriage

Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/02/21 05:26 AM
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/02/21 01:16 PM
Sounds like they want to hide anything that makes them unconfortable..
What Republicans have become? In Virginia, we have become winners!
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/06/21 03:29 AM
Cenk is a grifter
Won’t you ever learn this dude?
Find a better voice
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/09/21 03:57 PM
This is deplorable, guys... not to mention just insanely corny.

Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/09/21 06:07 PM
You would have to be mentally retarded and out of touch with reality to think that was a reasonable or good post. smh. Sickening.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/10/21 05:52 PM
Ted Cruz Criticizes Big Bird Over COVID-19 Vaccine

Nov. 8, 2021 -- After Sesame Street’s Big Bird tweeted that he received the COVID-19 vaccine, Sen. Ted Cruz and other right-wing media figures criticized the character for promoting “propaganda” to children.

Sesame Street launched a promotional campaign during the past week after the COVID-19 vaccine was authorized for ages 5-11, according to Insider.

“I got the COVID-19 vaccine today! My wing is feeling a little sore, but it’ll give my body an extra protective boost that keeps me and others healthy,” Big Bird account posted on Saturday.



“Ms. @EricaRHill even said I’ve been getting vaccines since I was a little bird. I had no idea!” Big Bird wrote, referring to CNN journalist Erica Hill.

Several Sesame Street characters, including Big Bird, participated in a town hall event on CNN to answer questions from kids and families about the COVID-19 vaccine.

Big Bird’s post drew more than 258,000 likes and more than 16,000 comments by Monday morning. A response from Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was among them.

Cruz responded to the tweet, accusing Big Bird of promoting “propaganda.”

“Government propaganda ... for your 5 year old!” he wrote on Twitter.

Newsmax host Steve Cortes also responded, calling the Big Bird’s post “evil.”

“This kind of propaganda is actually evil,” he wrote in a tweet. “Your children are not statistically at risk, and should not be pressured into a brand new treatment. Do Not Comply!”

Other right-wing figures, including Fox News contributor Lisa Boothe and political commentator Michael Cernovich, also posted criticism about Big Bird’s comment. Several people, including Cruz, continued to post new comments about Big Bird throughout the weekend.

Although Sesame Street and Big Bird have faced criticism for promoting the COVID-19 vaccine, the show and character have long been involved in public health campaigns, Insider reported. In 1972, for instance, Big Bird participated in a segment telling children to “don’t wait -- vaccinate.”

Throughout the weekend, Twitter users also commented in support of Big Bird’s post about getting the COVID-19 vaccine. The account now has more than 247,000 followers, gaining more than 30,000 followers during the weekend.

President Joe Biden also replied on Sunday night.

“Good on ya, @BigBird,” his tweet said. “Getting vaccinated is the best way to keep your whole neighborhood safe.”

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211108/ted-cruz-big-bird-covid-vaccine
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/10/21 05:57 PM
Anything for attention, I suppose.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/10/21 06:06 PM
Bird brains ragging on a fictitious bird.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/10/21 06:07 PM
Republicans have become:

Oh my! Let me clutch my pearls and fake some outrage and victimhood, then maybe I can get back to ushering in a fascist regime.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/11/21 12:05 AM
ONly a complete jackass like Cruz would respond to a fake character in a kids TV show... Most intelligent politicians and other grown ups would just STFU....MORONS
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/11/21 12:50 AM
So, this guy they call Brandon not only whooped Trump's ass in the election, he also got us out of Afghanistan and got infrastructure done, which also happen to be two other things Trump failed to accomplish. This is reality.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/15/21 06:31 PM
i can tell you exactly what republicans have become:



i dont ever want to hear the term "woke" coming from conservatives ever again. trump went so hard in the paint, i dont think an AOC could sound any more woke and cancelling than him.
Originally Posted by Swish
i can tell you exactly what republicans have become:



i dont ever want to hear the term "woke" coming from conservatives ever again. trump went so hard in the paint, i dont think an AOC could sound any more woke and cancelling than him.


most people that are republican or "conservative" don't follow trump like trumpers do. That only represents about 5-10% of conservatives. It's the same way with dem's there are the 5-10% of people that follow pelosi, bernie, or AOC.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 12:34 AM
I'd say the number of Republicans that bow to the Alter of Trump is much higher than 5-10%.
I'd say the number that 'follow' Pelosi or think she's good for the party/country ... might be 5-10%.
I'd say the number of Democrats who 'follow' / Support Bernie/AOC is much higher than 5-10%. But not as many as Trump supporters in the GOP.
I'd say the number of 'true' conservatives that support Trump is below 5%.
I'd say Trump brought an extremely large group of loyal Blue Collar voters to the Republican Party that never would have come otherwise.
Many Conservative Republicans resented the new folks in town and resented Trump for bringing them.
If the Conservatives play their cards right by accepting them and welcoming them, they will rarely lose another election.
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I'd say Trump brought an extremely large group of loyal Blue Collar voters to the Republican Party that never would have come otherwise.
Many Conservative Republicans resented the new folks in town and resented Trump for bringing them.
If the Conservatives play their cards right by accepting them and welcoming them, they will rarely lose another election.

you are hilarious. trump pissed off more people than anything because he couldn't stay off Twitter. If Twitter didn't exist, he would have gotten reelected.
Originally Posted by mgh888
Trump was - is and will remain the firm favorite to be the GOP nominee in the next election.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/republican-party-presidential-nominee-odds/

He is very relevant in any discussion regards politics.

there is 0 chance that will happen. Dems just keep hoping it so they can win another election
Originally Posted by mgh888
I'd say the number of Republicans that bow to the Alter of Trump is much higher than 5-10%.
I'd say the number that 'follow' Pelosi or think she's good for the party/country ... might be 5-10%.
I'd say the number of Democrats who 'follow' / Support Bernie/AOC is much higher than 5-10%. But not as many as Trump supporters in the GOP.
I'd say the number of 'true' conservatives that support Trump is below 5%.


ok. the point was more that there a ton of lunatics out there on either the left or the right. everyone else is somewhere in the middle.
Originally Posted by mgh888
I'd say the number of Republicans that bow to the Alter of Trump is much higher than 5-10%.
I'd say the number that 'follow' Pelosi or think she's good for the party/country ... might be 5-10%.
I'd say the number of Democrats who 'follow' / Support Bernie/AOC is much higher than 5-10%. But not as many as Trump supporters in the GOP.
I'd say the number of 'true' conservatives that support Trump is below 5%.


ok. the point I was trying to make is that there are a ton of fanatics out there on either the left or the right who give either side a bad political party name. everyone else is somewhere in the middle.


we need another party called the centralists.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
It's the same way with dem's there are the 5-10% of people that follow pelosi, bernie, or AOC.



I like that you think that.
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I'd say Trump brought an extremely large group of loyal Blue Collar voters to the Republican Party that never would have come otherwise.
Many Conservative Republicans resented the new folks in town and resented Trump for bringing them.
If the Conservatives play their cards right by accepting them and welcoming them, they will rarely lose another election.

you are hilarious. trump pissed off more people than anything because he couldn't stay off Twitter. If Twitter didn't exist, he would have gotten reelected.

You are foolish to ignore the 74.2 million Trump votes from people who were not ticked off.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I'd say Trump brought an extremely large group of loyal Blue Collar voters to the Republican Party that never would have come otherwise.
Many Conservative Republicans resented the new folks in town and resented Trump for bringing them.
If the Conservatives play their cards right by accepting them and welcoming them, they will rarely lose another election.

Translation: Just like Bannon said today, we are taking the minor offices so we don't lose elections anymore... fascists.
Can't take anything in this Country without the votes.

We are still a Democracy.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by mgh888
Trump was - is and will remain the firm favorite to be the GOP nominee in the next election.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/republican-party-presidential-nominee-odds/

He is very relevant in any discussion regards politics.

there is 0 chance that will happen. Dems just keep hoping it so they can win another election

Nah man, this is fascism. You always have to be ready to stand against that kind of evil. Used to be what it meant to be American. What passes for that on the right today is an absolute mockery of America, her history, her values, and her people.

EDIT: not being conservative, the Trumpism and Trump way is 100% fascist.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Can't take anything in this Country without the votes.

Kudos to those who tried to, though...
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I'd say Trump brought an extremely large group of loyal Blue Collar voters to the Republican Party that never would have come otherwise.
Many Conservative Republicans resented the new folks in town and resented Trump for bringing them.
If the Conservatives play their cards right by accepting them and welcoming them, they will rarely lose another election.

you are hilarious. trump pissed off more people than anything because he couldn't stay off Twitter. If Twitter didn't exist, he would have gotten reelected.

You are foolish to ignore the 74.2 million Trump votes from people who were not ticked off.

Biden had over 80 Million,,, You'd be foolish to ignore that.. Unless you are crazy enough to think that Trump actually won.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 03:30 PM
Come now - there is no "thinking" there is only "trolling".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Can't take anything in this Country without the votes.

We are still a Democracy.

Not if you just stop counting votes while you're ahead. This is what fascism looks like.

Trump and Republicans have asked states to stop counting votes

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-republicans-asked-states-stop-counting-votes/story?id=74043767



You tried to help elect a man who didn't want to count the votes. Who tried to stop democracy in its tracks. This is who you are. Own it.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/16/21 05:10 PM
Traitorous fascists attacking democracy to avoid becoming obsolete... This is the new right wing in America post Trump. How pathetic is that? smh.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 10:07 AM
Kid Rock - Don't Tell Me How To Live rofl rofl rofl
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 11:42 AM
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 01:11 PM
Sounds reasonable - what's your point in posting this?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 01:23 PM
We call that Thursday in the dawglover household.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 02:16 PM
LOL Does anyone actually believe this BS... Yikes
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 02:46 PM
LOL! I'm beginning to question that meet-up idea.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 05:46 PM
Haha! Just need to make sure it’s not on a Thursday!
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg

This belongs in the immortal humor thread lol
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 07:18 PM
Sometimes the truth can be hilarious.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/24/21 08:51 PM
agreed.


Goofy, AF
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/25/21 12:36 AM
This is insulting to those who actually earned and deserved the Congressional medal of honor


Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces bill to award Congressional Gold Medal to Rittenhouse


Wed, November 24, 2021, 5:31 PM·2 min read


Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) introduced a bill on Tuesday to award Kyle Rittenhouse the Congressional Gold Medal for "protecting the community of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a Black Lives Matter (BLM) riot on August 25, 2020."

The Congressional Gold Medal is the highest honor Congress can award an individual or institution. It is highly unlikely the bill will go anywhere in the Democratic-controlled House and Senate, and it has no co-sponsors.

Rittenhouse, who fatally shot two protesters in Kenosha and wounded a third, was acquitted last week by a jury of all charges, including intentional homicide.

Conservatives have praised the jury's not guilty verdict in a trial that has divided the nation along partisan lines, embracing the argument that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense and intended to protect local businesses.

A spokesperson for Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who has offered Rittenhouse an internship with his office, told The Washington Post in response to Greene's bill, "We are concerned that awarding Kyle with a Congressional Gold Medal will give him a big head during the internship with our office."

Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) also offered Rittenhouse an internship following the verdict. And former President Trump said on Tuesday that Rittenhouse visited him at his resort in Florida shortly after being found not guilty.

The reaction has been different among Democrats, many of whom have expressed shock that Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time of the shootings, could be found not guilty after patrolling Kenosha armed with a rifle. Civil rights activists have warned the verdict will encourage similar vigilante actions.

Greene's office did not immediately respond to The Hill's request for comment.

Congressional Gold Medals were recently awarded to United States Capitol Police officers and other law enforcement personnel who protected the U.S. Capitol during the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection as well as U.S. troops who died in a bombing at Kabul's airport amid the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-introduces-bill-223138187.html
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/25/21 01:59 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ganised-attempts-to-ban-books-in-schools

Conservative cancel culture at it's finest here!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/25/21 03:52 PM
M.T.G. is a disgusting person.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/26/21 01:50 PM
Awarding Rittenhouse the CMH is cheapening it's worth to those that have received it already.

I don't have the option to vote against her in her next election, but if I did, I would. I'd encourage anyone that could vote against her to do so.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/26/21 04:39 PM
But he killed BLM protestors. You know that makes him a hero in the eyes of MTG and her ilk.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/27/21 04:47 PM
Rep. Lauren Boebert suggested Rep. Ilhan Omar was terrorist in anti-Muslim remarks at event

"So the other night on the House floor was not my first jihad squad moment," Boebert told a crowd. "I was getting into an elevator with one of my staffers and he and I were leaving the Capitol, we're going back to my office and we get in the elevator and I see a Capitol Police officer running hurriedly to the elevator. I see fret all over his face. And he's reaching. The door is shutting. I can't open it."

"What's happening? I look to my left and there she is, Ilhan Omar, and I said, 'Well she doesn't have a backpack, we should be fine,' " Boebert continued. "So we only had one floor to go and I say, do I say it or do I not? And I look over and I say, 'Look, the jihad squad decided to show up for work today.' Don't worry, it's just her staffers on Twitter that talk for her. She's not tough in person."

Omar said the "whole story" was made up and condemned Boebert for her comments.
"Fact, this buffoon looks down when she sees me at the Capitol, this whole story is made up. Sad she thinks bigotry gets her clout," Omar tweeted on Thursday. "Anti-Muslim bigotry isn't funny & shouldn't be normalized. Congress can't be a place where hateful and dangerous Muslims tropes get no condemnation."

On Friday, Omar called on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to take action against Boebert.
"Normalizing this bigotry not only endangers my life but the lives of all Muslims," Omar said in a Friday tweet. "Anti-Muslim bigotry has no place in Congress."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/politics/lauren-boebert-ilhan-omar-anti-muslim-comments/index.html

And the deplorables remain silent.

The rest of the article is posted at the link.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/27/21 05:18 PM
Boebert likes to stir things up,, If she needs to lie about it, so be it.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 11/27/21 06:07 PM
Horrific. With all the BS she spouts, you know it’s bad if she actually apologizes for something. Glad Kinzinger said something. Still a shame that the spineless minority leader won’t.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/01/21 07:12 PM
Boebert doubles down because she is saying what her supporters want to hear....

WASHINGTON, Nov 29 (Reuters) - A phone call between Republican U.S. Representative Lauren Boebert and Democratic counterpart Ilhan Omar ended in rancor on Monday after Boebert refused to publicly apologize for suggesting she viewed her colleague as a threat, the two said.

Boebert, a first-term lawmaker who has courted controversy by vowing to ignore Washington gun laws and criticizing fellow Republicans, placed the call after a video emerged showing her calling Omar, who is Muslim, a member of a "jihad squad."

Boebert in a statement Friday apologized "to anyone in the Muslim community I offended with my comment."

But on Monday, Boebert showed no sign of remorse, posting a video that described her call with Omar and doubled down on her comments.

"Make no mistake. I will continue to fearlessly put America first, never sympathizing with terrorists. Unfortunately, Ilhan can't say the same thing and our country is worse off for it," Boebert said.

In a statement, Omar said she had hoped for an apology.

"Instead of apologizing for her Islamophobic comments and fabricated lies, Rep. Boebert refused to publicly acknowledge her hurtful and dangerous comments. She instead doubled down on her rhetoric and I decided to end the unproductive call," Omar said.

The House twice this year has disciplined Republicans in largely party-line votes. This month it censured Representative Paul Gosar for a cartoon video depicting him killing Democratic colleague Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and in February it stripped first-term lawmaker Marjorie Taylor Greene of committee assignments for past remarks supporting violence against democrats.

Top House Republican Kevin McCarthy later said that both Gosar and Greene could be restored to their committee assignments if Republicans recapture a majority in the 2022 midterm elections.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...down-feud-with-democrat-omar-2021-11-29/

And the disgusting Kevin McCarthy just seems as though he can't wait to restore more power back to a deplorable person like Boebert.

And as January 6th has proven, when you say disgusting things and make up lies to incite your most avid followers, it has consequences. But don't hold your breath expecting any of them to step up to the plate and take responsibility for it.

Here is one of the consequences that came quickly. I can't post the actual video because it's too vulgar to post here...............


Ilhan Omar reveals death threat in wake of Islamophobic comments

Omar urges Republican leaders to fight ‘anti-Muslim hatred’ after legislator refused to publicly apologise for comments.

United States Representative Ilhan Omar has played a racist, death-threat laden voicemail left for her after fellow legislator Lauren Boebert refused to publicly apologise for a video in which she called Omar a member of the “jihad squad” and likened her to a suicide bomber.

In a news conference on Tuesday, Omar called on Republican leadership, who have so far declined to punish Boebert over the comments, to stand up to “anti-Muslim hate” and to “hold those who perpetuate it accountable”.

“We see you, you Muslim sand n***** b****,” began the voicemail.

“Don’t worry, there are plenty who would love the opportunity to take you off the face of this f****** earth,” the caller continued. “You will not live much longer b****, I can almost guarantee you that.”

Omar said she received the call on Monday, hours after Boebert, in a phone call, refused to apologise publicly for her comments, which were captured on a video that emerged last week.

In the footage, Boebert described encountering Omar at the US Capitol and being relieved she “doesn’t have a backpack”, in an apparent reference to Omar possibly carrying a bomb.

Boebert last week apologised “to anyone in the Muslim community I offended”, but did not directly refer to Omar.

Omar, who became the first Somali American and naturalised citizen of African birth to serve in the US House of Representatives when she was elected in 2018, said the voicemail came through shortly after Boebert posted another video on social media on Monday.

In it, she said she would “fearlessly continue to put America first, never sympathising with terrorists”.

“Unfortunately Ilhan can’t say the same thing and our country is worse off for it,” she said.

Omar, a Democrat and one of a handful of Muslims in the US Congress, has said threatening calls have become a regular occurrence as she continues to face personal attacks from conservative pundits and some legislators.

“When a sitting member of Congress calls a colleague a member of the ‘jihad squad’ and falsifies a story to suggest I will blow up the Capitol, it is not just an attack on me but on millions of American Muslims across the country,” Omar said on Tuesday.

“We cannot pretend this hate speech from leading politicians doesn’t have real consequences,” she added.

While Representative Andre Carson, who is also Muslim, has said he is working with Democratic leadership on a House resolution that would address the issue, Republican brass appeared largely unmoved by Omar’s comments.

On Tuesday, House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy said Boebert’s initial apology to the Muslim community should suffice.

When asked if he would respond to any effort to censure Boebert, he responded: “After she apologised personally and publicly? I’d vote against it.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/1/ilhan-omar-plays-death-threat-after-islamophobic-comments

This is why normal Republicans have left the party in droves. Who can blame them?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/01/21 08:52 PM
I left far before it got this crazy (rise of TEA Party in 2013). It's only gotten worse since that time.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/02/21 01:24 PM
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Cival rights activists have warned the verdict will encourage similar vigilante actions.

TOO LATE! It already did, it was called the Wakuesha parade, Christmas parade terrorist attack by an SUV.

And it wasn't encouraged by the verdict, a right verdict by a jury.
It was encouraged by the hate filled society that starts at the top.
And they turned their propaganda machine into a racist hate rally seen every day on the establishment news media.

But since they hate whitey, and regular, I guess what do you call a "dancing granny's" portion of a Christmas Parade, is that "regular America" or is that too biased by the systemic bull~~ meter.

then they can keep spreading their hate filled message without bearing responsibility for that it's hateful.
America is not big enough for all this hate that comes from the establishment media. (Government controlled narrative media)

I bet if they burned crosses on white peoples lawns... a majority of the media wouldn't have any problem with it, and not see any parallels to history.

The only message from the Kyle Rittenhouse situation is a dumb white idiot is not safe on any street in America even if he is holding an ar15 riffle. They still tried to kill him, for standing up for society.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/02/21 05:23 PM
You're always safe when you're packing a loaded AR-15.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/02/21 08:12 PM
Trumpian Gone wild!!!! Although there will be no frontal nudity included in this.

Man sentenced for threatening to hang 6 members of Congress if they didn't 'get behind Trump'

A New Hampshire man who threatened to hang six members of Congress if they did not "get behind Donald Trump" will spend 33 months in federal prison, according to officials.

Ryder Winegar, 34, of Amherst, was sentenced for six counts of threatening members of Congress and one count of transmitting interstate threatening communications, acting U.S. Attorney John J. Farley for the District of New Hampshire announced Wednesday in a news release.

Winegar left voicemails at the offices of three U.S. senators and three representatives in the early morning hours of Dec. 16, 2020, according to court documents and court statements.

That was two days after the electoral college confirmed President Joe Biden won the election.

He identified himself by name or by his telephone number in some of the messages, according to the news release. Prosecutors said Winegar threatened to hang the officials and included specific threats of violence.

"I got some advice for you," he said in one voicemail, according to prosecutors. "Here’s the advice: 'Donald Trump is your president. If you don’t get behind him, we’re going to hang you until you die.'"

In another, Winegar said: “It really, really, it boils down to two camps. You either support our president, support liberty ... or you’re not." The messages included profane language that threatened to kill the lawmaker and criticized vaccinations.

Winegar refused to speak with U.S. Capitol Police officers who attempted to interview him on Dec. 20. 2020, according to the release.

The next day, before investigators could to return to Winegar with search and arrest warrants, he flew to Brazil, prosecutors said.

He was finally taken into custody when he returned to the U.S. on Jan. 11.

After he was arrested, investigators learned he sent a separate threat via e-mail to a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives on Dec. 14, 2020. In that message he threatened to “pull the representative from his bed and hang him,” the news release on the sentencing stated.

Officials did not name the lawmakers Winegar threatened.

Winegar pleaded guilty on Aug. 6. In addition to jail time, he was ordered to pay a $15,000 fine.

He’s been in custody since his January arrest. A lawyer for Winegar did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

Farley said the sentencing "sends a clear message that threats of violence have no place in our political discourse" and "those who threaten to commit acts of violence against duly-elected legislators will be held accountable for their unlawful conduct."

Winegar's threats came weeks before the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, where a pro-Trump mob sought to stop the certification of Biden’s presidential win. So far, hundreds have been charged for their role in the chaos.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/man-sentenced-threatening-hang-6-165915909.html
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 12:42 AM
[Linked Image from pbs.twimg.com]
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 03:36 PM
U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 05:46 PM
j/c

Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 06:06 PM
He’s so stupid it’s painful.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
j/c


It doesn't say what Trump thought he was saying. . . but for once it was unvarnished truth that was stated.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 09:33 PM
Let's Go Brandon store opens in North Attleborough

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https://turnto10.com/news/local/lets-go-brandon-store-now-open-in-north-attleboro

You just can't make this crap up! How stupid is this? I'd give it a 50 on a scale from one to ten.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 09:58 PM
FRAUD! Florida Woman Busted For Casting Multiple Ballots In 2020

Trump-supporting Florida Villages resident Joan Halstead was booked into jail for "casting more than one ballot at any election."

Whole story here:

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/12/fraud-florida-woman-busted-casting
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 10:59 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Let's Go Brandon store opens in North Attleborough

[Linked Image from 3gz8cg829c.execute-api.us-west-2.amazonaws.com]

https://turnto10.com/news/local/lets-go-brandon-store-now-open-in-north-attleboro

You just can't make this crap up! How stupid is this? I'd give it a 50 on a scale from one to ten.

I wonder how many that follow trump understand that this "Brandon" thing is nothing more than the 2021 version of "Joe The Plumber"
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
FRAUD! Florida Woman Busted For Casting Multiple Ballots In 2020

Trump-supporting Florida Villages resident Joan Halstead was booked into jail for "casting more than one ballot at any election."

Whole story here:

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/12/fraud-florida-woman-busted-casting

Maybe we should call for an audit of he Florida results...
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/05/21 11:03 PM
You Do, don't you, where it came from, and what it means?
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/06/21 02:40 AM
Perdue to challenge Kemp in Georgia governor primary: report

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...unce-gop-primary-bid-in-georgia-governor

I swear the funniest thing ever would be a GOP civil war in Georgia turning the state blue with a Stacy Abrams victory.

I can’t watch to watch this particular gop primary and debate. Should be entertaining, and for all the wrong reasons.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/06/21 04:05 AM
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Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/07/21 03:24 AM
Nunes to resign from Congress, become CEO of Trump media firm

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/584575-nunes-to-resign-from-congress-at-end-of-month

Lmao I can’t with conservatives. It’s like they read all the onion articles and went “ya know what, those are actually good ideas”
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/07/21 03:00 PM
Win-win.
Trump could run for US. Congress in Florida.
If he wins and Republicans take the house in 2022, he could run for Speaker of the House.
His first act could be to impeach Biden and Harris, making him President to finish Biden's term.
Then he could run for President in 2024.
Ahh, the future looks so bright!
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/08/21 04:01 PM
Aye if you Republicans really want to take back congress in 2022, might wanna get on the same page first.

Cause it looks like the gop civil war is getting even more real. They out here sniping each other left and right. Soon it will be full on battle in an open field.

Oh yea, you guys might want to have a platform as well. Didn’t have a platform in 2020, and looks like you won’t in 2022.

Not exactly a good recipe. If the Dems are indeed giving you guys a slam dunk, you guys seem hellbent on getting hung at the rim instead.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/08/21 04:35 PM
I see you had another wet dream.
It is nice to see Democrats coming to their senses...

Hispanic Voters Now Evenly Split Between Parties, WSJ Poll Finds
Republicans have made rapid gains among a crucial voting demographic that has long favored Democrats

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hispan...oesx&reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/08/21 05:51 PM
When and if the majority of them become Republicans you will have Border Patrol escorting them across the border and giving them welcome bags.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/08/21 10:54 PM
Oh, they have a platform. It’s to obstruct the Democrats by talking about how much their plans will cost. Then they will take office and run up the deficit in a different way.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 04:31 AM
Their platform is to ignore, frustrate, and block the governing left majority, while they destroy democracy to insure they remain in power. Fascism is the goal, don't lie to yourself. They want their own New Gilead.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 06:43 PM
Graham warns GOP about Trump's wrath on debt vote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/graham-warns-gop-trumps-wrath-110038320.html

reading grahams comments....i mean damn republicans, so trump is a king or dictator? how does one dude have this much fear being generated within the republican party? not respect, fear.

they really gonna choose him over anything else? thats some cult like behavior right there.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 06:54 PM
They’re under the thrall of a demagogue. The forked-tongued piped piper of basal brained sycophants.
Portland sets new record for homicides in a year with 72 after double murder in Old Town
A man was arrested for fatally shooting another man and a woman Sunday morning; police say that makes 72 homicides, breaking a Portland record set in 1987.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/lo...283-ac105d26-292c-4a9a-95ac-3fa7ad84c299
King County murder rates break records as Seattle prepares for even fewer officers

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/ki...wer-officers/ZN2KBKHD3VAN5MILLNJTBM47EM/
I could go on and on...
Good job guys if your job is to destroy America.

'It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 08:20 PM
Well, at least one trump republican has become a DT Big Yellow Font SPAMMER.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I could go on and on...
Good job guys if your job is to destroy America.

'It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453


I realize this is the wrong thread for this comment. But I'd like to know how many of those homicides were committed using a gun? And how many of those guns were obtained legally vs illegally
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Jester
[quote=40YEARSWAITING]I could go on and on...
Good job guys if your job is to destroy America.

'It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453


I realize this is the wrong thread for this comment. But I'd like to know how many of those homicides were committed using a gun? [/qote] Probably most.
Quote
And how many of those guns were obtained legally vs illegally
Probably most.

What's your point? Take away legally owned guns, not used in crimes, from the legal owners?
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 11:20 PM
Put words in people's mouths much?

This is important information to have for any discussion about guns.

If most are not gun related then no need to do much to current gun laws. If most are illegally obtained then we need to do a better job enforcing current laws, if miat are legally obtained then we need to change laws on how guns are legally obtained .

And for the record, I am not a gun fan but I have never said anything related to taking legal guns away from people or outlawing all guns. I do feel that to own a gun you should have to take and pass a gun safety course along with appropriate background testing (whatever appropriate is I leave up to the experts).

My other though is that there currently a line for what weapons are and are not legal. I cannot own a tank or a nuclear bomb. I think wherever that line is drawn needs to make the AR 15 illegal - jmo
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/09/21 11:35 PM
I'm fairly certain I didn't put words in anyone's mouth.

I simply said I think most are gun related - homicides. And that most are probably illegally owned. How is that putting words in anyone's mouth???

You are asking questions no one can answer, other than police reports. And if you do the math, the homicides - most of them - are gang, and drug related. Period.

School shootings get the media attention, and rightfully so.......but no where is some 700+ homicides in Chicago, this year, discussed. Philadelphia, some 500 homicides?

Hey, let this be a lesson to you: legal gun owners don't go out shooting people in bad neighborhoods. Bad people, with illegal guns do that, and they do that over drugs, for the most part.

Next, you'll want links. Link to this: Common sense.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 02:41 AM
You said:
"What's your point? Take away legally owned guns, not used in crimes, from the legal owners?"

I take that as trying to put words in my mouth.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 01:14 PM
Matt Gaetz and Steve Bannon said an 'army of patriots' and 'shock troops' should take over the government if Trump runs and wins in 2024
Cheryl Teh
Thu, December 9, 2021, 10:36 PM·3 min read



Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida and the former White House advisor Steve Bannon on Thursday floated the idea that an organized "army of patriots" could take over the government if Donald Trump were to win in 2024.Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
Rep. Matt Gaetz and Steve Bannon mused about the chance of a 2024 presidential win by Donald Trump.

Gaetz said an "army of patriots" should get ready now to "fight" for the US.

Bannon said "shock troops" divided into teams could take over some 4,000 government positions.

Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida and the former White House advisor Steve Bannon floated an idea that an "army of patriots" and "shock troops" should be prepared to take over the government if former President Donald Trump were to run and win in 2024.

During Thursday's episode of Bannon's "War Room" podcast, he and Gaetz outlined their plan if Trump should win.

Trump has not yet publicly announced he is running in 2024.

"People didn't like that Donald Trump raised his voice, but sometimes you gotta raise your voice to raise a ruckus and to raise an army of patriots who love this country and will fight for her," Gaetz said.

"We're going to operationalize the performance to go right after the people who are imposing the vaccine mandates, who are enriching themselves, and who are selling out the country," Gaetz added.

Bannon then went on to suggest to a nodding Gaetz that there should be a "theory of governing" before elaborating on what his plan would be if Trump were to be president again.

"It's fresh and it's new. This is Trumpism in power. That's when we went to the 4,000 shock troops we have to have that's going to man the government. Get them ready now. Right?" Bannon said. "We're going to hit the beach with the landing teams and the beachhead teams and all that nomenclature they use when President Trump wins in 2024 — or before."

Bannon went on to suggest that these 4,000 shock troops would then become "political appointees."

"On Capitol Hill, you're going to have Gaetz, and others," Bannon said. "No more powderpuff derby. This is going to be hardcore accountability at every committee."

"And we're going to go after this administrative state and we're going to start at the Department of Justice and the FBI. That's the job I want. You know, send me over to the Judiciary Committee and their sphincters will tighten because they have been doing a lot of corrupt things over there," Gaetz said in response to Bannon's suggestion.

It is unclear what Gaetz and Bannon meant, specifically, with references to an "army of patriots" and "shock troops." Representatives for Gaetz and Bannon did not immediately respond to requests for comment from Insider.

In October, Bannon made a similar, albeit less detailed suggestion when calling into NBC News.

"If you're going to take over the administrative state and deconstruct it, then you have to have shock troops prepared to take it over immediately," Bannon said. "I gave 'em fire and brimstone."

In November, Bannon appeared in court to face criminal contempt charges for defying a subpoena to sit for a deposition and produce documents related to the January 6 Capitol riot. The former White House chief strategist faces two criminal contempt-of-Congress charges, and his trial date is set for July 18.




https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-gaetz-steve-bannon-said-033633318.html
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 02:06 PM
That’s a sitting member of Congress sitting with one of Trumps former hires saying this nonsense.

Reading the article, I have to ask: why shouldn’t I consider this plot domestic terrorism?

Cause this sounds like domestic terrorism.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 02:31 PM
Trump accuses former ally Netanyahu of disloyalty: 'F--- him'

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...7-trump-accuses-former-ally-netanyahu-of

Remember folks. When trump accuses others of disloyalty, it’s not disloyalty to America, it’s disloyalty to HIM.

This is some sad stuff
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 02:36 PM
It wasn't Gaetz, but it was the governor in the same state and on the same 'team' that wants to basically raise a standing army answerable only to him (governor's own national guard).
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 02:39 PM
Sounds like the plans of a future military coup.

For those who don’t think anything in the Middle East or Eastern Europe can possibly happen here, they might want to rethink that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 03:23 PM
That's the way this has worked for decades now. If you mention any form of common sense gun laws, the next thing that comes out of their mouth is, "You're trying to take guns away from legal gun owners".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 03:26 PM
Republican extremists promote civil war. Details at 11:00.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 03:32 PM
Perdue says he wouldn't have certified Biden's Georgia win as Republican effort to bypass future election results intensifies

David Perdue, the former U.S. senator and Trump-endorsed candidate for governor in Georgia, said Wednesday that he would not have certified Joe Biden’s win in the 2020 presidential election in his home state, the latest move from state-level Republicans casting doubt on the integrity of future races.

Perdue, who served one term representing Georgia in the Senate before losing in a January runoff to Democrat Jon Ossoff, announced his intention to primary sitting Republican Gov. Brian Kemp this week. Kemp is among the Georgia Republicans who affirmed the election results, which were counted three times and showed a close win by Biden.

In an interview with Axios, Perdue said he wouldn’t have done the same.

In the weeks following his loss to Biden, Trump called for a special session of Georgia’s Legislature to challenge the results, which Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said at the time would amount to “nullifying the will of the people.” Trump is also backing state Rep. Jody Hice, who has regularly promoted election conspiracy theories, in a Republican primary challenge against Raffensperger.

GOP officials and pundits across the country have been calling the 2020 results into question despite being unable to provide credible evidence of fraud. A Yahoo News/YouGov poll released in August found that a majority of Republican voters believe Biden did not legitimately win the election. A number of states with Republican-majority legislatures have passed laws making it more difficult to vote, while others are taking steps to allow the party to have more direct control over election results. The proliferation of election conspiracy theories also helped inspire the deadly Jan. 6 siege on the U.S. Capitol, the main purpose of which was to try to stop Biden from becoming president.

Earlier this year, Kemp signed a bill passed by Georgia’s Republican-controlled Legislature that limited voting while also transferring powers away from the secretary of state and instead giving them to a State Election Board controlled by the same partisan Legislature. Under the law, the board can also suspend local election officials with whom it disagrees.

The Perdue comments came hours before Biden kicked off a virtual Summit for Democracy on Thursday. Protect Democracy, a left-leaning legal advocacy organization, has been sounding alarms about state-level maneuvering all year.

“It raises the specter of much more post-election litigation, much more chaos, and in a chaotic post-election period it creates many more opportunities for state legislatures to unlawfully step in and try to change the results, like we saw some legislators clamoring to do last year,” Jess Marsden, counsel for the group, told Yahoo News in June.

Republicans in Wisconsin, where Biden won by 20,000 votes, are looking to dismantle the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission and take direct control of voting in the state. Last month the Trump-aligned sheriff in Racine County recommended charges against five election administrators for election fraud and misconduct in office stemming from the 2020 presidential election. Ron Johnson, the Republican Wisconsin senator who has promoted conspiracy theories about the election, COVID-19 and the Jan. 6 violence at the Capitol, said last month that state Republicans should fully take over federal elections.

"I think the state Legislature needs to reassert its authority [and] make sure that, in the federal elections, our election clerks follow state law, not guidances that are contrary to state law," Johnson told Wisconsin Public Radio. The push to overhaul the system came after a nonpartisan report from the Wisconsin Elections Commission found no evidence of fraud in the 2020 results.

“The outrageous statements and ideas Wisconsin Republicans have embraced aren’t about making our elections stronger, they’re about making it more difficult for people to participate in the democratic process,” the state's Democratic governor, Tony Evers, said last month.

Few states’ 2020 results have seen more scrutiny than Arizona’s, where Republicans in the state Senate have backed a months-long partisan investigation into voting in populous Maricopa County, alienating GOP leadership there. Republican Gov. Doug Ducey signed off on the 2020 results despite Trump’s objections, but term limits mean he will not be able to seek reelection in 2022. The current frontrunner to replace him on the Republican ticket, former local news anchor Kari Lake, has made a host of baseless claims about the 2020 election. She has been endorsed by Trump, and is aligned with Perdue on how she would have handled last year’s close race if she had been governor.

"Considering how much already at the time information we had about serious irregularities and problems with the election, I would not have certified it right then," Lake said in an October interview with the far-right One America News Network, which helped fundraise for the Maricopa investigation.

https://news.yahoo.com/perdue-georgia-election-results-trump-biden-wisconsin-arizona-175122694.html

If you can't fairly win an election, use a government takeover to steal it. Or use violence with "shock troops". Whatever it takes to pull off a coup.

Murica!
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 03:58 PM
Un-ber-freaking-leavable.

No wonder there is a large group of posters on the "right" who want to move on, not talk about Trump and Jan 6th.

Anyone want to tell me how not certifying a valid election is American or benefits the people? Pfft. It is getting to the point these people need to be called traitors. How many court cases .. how much time? How much evidence? Pffft.
rofl

Look at all the Libs crying out emotionally about something that exists in 22 other States.

Nearly every state has laws authorizing state defense forces, and twenty-two states, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, have active forces with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State defense forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 05:16 PM
You see, these same people claimed Trump won the election in 2020. So no matter if Humpty Dumpty lost in 2024 what they claim should happen is...
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'shock troops' should take over the government if Trump runs and wins in 2024.

You're promoting a government takeover via a violent coup and pretend to be a patriot.
So you want New York and California plus 20 other States to drop their Militia's? Their public armies?

Thought not.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 05:35 PM
I just don't want democrats to propose they use force to overthrow the country if they lose an election. You shouldn't want republicans to do that either. But f course you say nothing about that.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I just don't want democrats to propose they use force to overthrow the country if they lose an election. You shouldn't want republicans to do that either. But f course you say nothing about that.

I don't want to see anyone overthrow this Country, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Antifa, BLM, Klan, or Nazis.
We settle things with a vote 'round here! If the majority of folks believe in something, they will vote for it. Done deal.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 06:00 PM
Yet as we've seen from the 2020 election results, many do not believe the vote counts. And those are the very same people that promote "taking over if Trump wins". They claimed he won in 2020 too. Either you don't get that or you don't want to get that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yet as we've seen from the 2020 election results, many do not believe the vote counts. And those are the very same people that promote "taking over if Trump wins". They claimed he won in 2020 too. Either you don't get that or you don't want to get that.

Personally I think there were a lot of shenanigans in that Presidential election but not enough to put Trump over the top.
I do wonder why there was such a concerted effort to stop any Federal investigation and I am suspicious of the efforts made to put down anyone who questioned the results in Congress.

If it smells like a fish, its probably a fish. Not enough to change the results in my opinion.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/10/21 06:36 PM
Because so many Republican officials certified their elections. Some had recounts and audits. 66 court cases were found to have no grounds or were quickly dismissed. There has to be actual grounds for an investigation. There were none.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
rofl

Look at all the Libs crying out emotionally about something that exists in 22 other States.

Nearly every state has laws authorizing state defense forces, and twenty-two states, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, have active forces with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State defense forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force

Somebody loves him some FASCISM! Can't wait to get his nifty NAZI boots.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I just don't want democrats to propose they use force to overthrow the country if they lose an election. You shouldn't want republicans to do that either. But f course you say nothing about that.

I don't want to see anyone overthrow this Country, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Antifa, BLM, Klan, or Nazis.
We settle things with a vote 'round here! If the majority of folks believe in something, they will vote for it. Done deal.

Then why do you still back the INSURRECTIONIST GOVERNMENT?
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 03:58 AM
What Democrats have become part 666 - Communist China.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 10:10 AM
Ok then. lmao@u.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 02:03 PM
I’m getting to the point where I think he might actually be a progressive pulling a Stephen Colbert.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 04:27 PM
Without the wit and imagination?
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m getting to the point where I think he might actually be a progressive pulling a Stephen Colbert.

One major difference: Colbert was actually funny and clever.
Posted By: FATE Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Clemdawg
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m getting to the point where I think he might actually be a progressive pulling a Stephen Colbert.

One major difference: Colbert was actually funny and clever.
And sadly, "was" seems to be the operative word... at least true of the last few times I've tuned in.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 05:24 PM
We were talking about the pundit character he played on Comedy Central.
That show was ground-breaking.
Posted By: FATE Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 05:35 PM
Ahh, my bad.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 05:49 PM
I think he was referring to when he had the show "The Colbert Report" on Comedy Central. He played a satirical character pretending to be a Republican pundit. Here he is doing that character on The Late Show......



Here he is staying in character at a congressional hearing......



I certainly found him much funnier in his satirical role than he is now.
Posted By: FATE Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/11/21 06:06 PM
LMAO. Thanks for posting that... I couldn't remember it so searched and couldn't find it. Ironically, I did find the second video at the congressional hearing and it was hilarious!
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/17/21 01:36 PM
[Linked Image from cdn.creators.com]
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/17/21 04:58 PM
Oh, you've got memes. I'm sure they're stolen from somewhere because you lack the creativity or ability for it to be anything otherwise.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/17/21 05:20 PM
You’ve got to be kidding me. That’s insane.
Too bad you have never heard the phrase...

A Picture is Worth 1000 Words.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/17/21 07:12 PM
Only when the picture makes any sense.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/18/21 03:34 AM
Trump evokes antisemetic tropes, says Jewish Americans 'don't like Israel'

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...c-tropes-says-jewish-americans-dont-like

When in doubt, blame the Jews!!!
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 12/28/21 05:26 AM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/02/22 05:18 PM


Somebody should step in and get him the help he so desperately needs. I don't want to hate on him, either, because he's clearly brain-damaged.
Funny but many of us feel the same way about Biden.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/02/22 11:26 PM
That's okay 40. You can feel whatever you want about Biden. Your opinion doesn't matter. Insurrectionists don't get a say in things.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/03/22 04:23 PM
Supporters of insurrectionists and the leaders of an insurrection somehow think we should consider their "feelings". We saw exactly what their "feelings" lead to on January 6th.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/03/22 06:07 PM


At least he's out of Government. What a fool. He got away with his traitorous acts during the Trump impeachments. Now he ties himself to a ship that is sinking. lmao.

GOP Rep. Devin Nunes resigns from Congress to become CEO of Trump’s media company

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/06/gop...-become-ceo-of-trumps-media-company.html

A parody account Devin Nunes' Cow was his kryptonite, what a thin-skinned spineless snake in the grass.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/03/22 06:53 PM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/06/22 02:12 AM


Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/06/22 01:30 PM
Aye whatever happened to the Jewish space lasers? I’m low key mad that the Jewish community haven’t invented those yet.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/06/22 04:18 PM
They just weaponized them via Hasbro Star Wars Division, manufactured them in Chinese plastic, and put them up for sale to their enemies.

[Linked Image from i.redd.it]
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/07/22 04:10 PM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/09/22 03:35 AM




Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/09/22 02:22 PM
Cruz is a weak chicken
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/09/22 05:51 PM
Honestly, he’s just a self-serving opportunist. Hell do whatever benefits Ted Cruz in that particular moment, and he has absolutely no pride or principles about it. Graham is the same way. This is just the most recent proof of that. People like him denominating themselves as Republicans are another reason I took myself out of the party.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/09/22 06:00 PM
I'm surprised he didn't fly himself and his family to Cancun to avoid the whole thing.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/09/22 06:12 PM
Don’t be ridiculous.

The weather in Cancun is horrible right now. wink
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05

this right here is just....

what a spineless coward. this is absolutely pathetic. if this is an example of what a texas conservative man is supposed to be, than it is now establish that we ABSOLUTELY mess with texas. we can be all up in their crap.

trump talked trash about his wife. trump talked trash about his dad and accused him of having something to do with the assassination of JFK.

and all cruz did was lick trump's boots for 4 years. and now he tucks his tail between his legs for TUCKER CARLSON?


TUCKER?!!!!! what in the world is happening to these republicans and modern conservatives. man what a bunch of cuck boy beta males.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 12:54 PM
no wonder why we have a growing number of incels on the right. these red pill males clinging on to guys like trump and such.

why would women touch or even look their way? you can say whatever you want to these dudes and they will do NOTHING but be mad. bunch of spineless losers. and these are the guys they look to for masculinity? what a man should be?

somebody talks trash about your family and you do nothing? you correctly make a statement about jan 6th, only to get on tucker and practically beg for forgiveness?

im not talking about Oob and 05 here cause i now yall are the few traditional conservatives left.

but for the rest of you....really? guys. like ted cruz, steve bannon (lmfao) ben shapiro (hahaha) jordan petterson (rofl) and josh hawley are the kind of men you look to as examples of what a real man is supposed to act and behave?

no wonder we have more and more right wing males shooting up places cause they cant get dates or women to have sex with them.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 01:11 PM
All those people you just named are the new Rush Limbaugh. They are more articulate, they appear to make more intelligent arguments, but essentially they skew the facts, they cherry pick topics and ignore any inconvenient evidence that proves they are full of chit. . . . they poison the political landscape and those that listen to them. They all remind me of the character 'Grima WormTongue' from LoTR.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 02:14 PM
Ben Shapiro can talk his way out of anything and make it sound persuasive, but he generally seems to like arguing just for arguing's sake. I watched his conversation (can't really call it a debate) with Russell Brand and he actually sounded like a human being.

Like you, I just don't understand how anyone can align with a side that puts someone like Cruz, Graham, on 'their team'. I mean, you can at least say that McConnel is good at playing the game. Everything considered, he's done a decent job of herding cats in his party and consolidating power/influence. What good things can you say about Cruz?
When you're consistently falling on the same side of a Ted Cruz, that's when you start to question if you're on the right side. At least that's how it happened for me.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 04:15 PM
Exact same here. People like him were the nail in the coffin for me. He wasn’t a one-off either. He and Graham were the vanguard to types such as Hawley, Jordan, Greene, Gaetz, etc.

Add to that the fact they have not only become entangled by - but actually submissive to - media outlets and personalities when they’re supposed to run the freaking country.

I happily left and show even more disdain now than I did at the time I left.
It also didn't hurt when you switched to supporting murder through abortion, letting criminals out of jail and onto our streets, and opening our borders to traveling disease.

Not to mention your distain for low gas prices.

Now, back to chasing those nasty terrorist parents who complain about the indoctrination your folks are dealing to their children in schools.

I for one am glad you are no longer the enemy within the Republican Party.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 09:44 PM
Hypothetical here.

If Cruz knocked up a mistress and didn't want word to get out, do you think he'd hesitate to push her to have an abortion done?
If Biden ever had a thought that made any sense would people stop calling him Brandon?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 11:12 PM
Excellent dodge there. Living up to your reputation.

Of course none of what you said is true, but I’m glad you and I are not grouped together as well. You need a party to tell you how to think. I think for myself.

Godspeed.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 11:15 PM
FYI - that’s actually happened before - just not to someone at Cruz’s focal point level:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...red-mistress-to-get-abortion?context=amp
But as an anti Republican poster you surely must support those Democrat ideals. Yes?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 11:18 PM
Why?

The is one of the most simple-minded assumptions I’ve seen on this board. You’re not simple minded either.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/10/22 11:23 PM
Also, anti-Republican is your perception of me. I happen to deride a lot of people who consider themselves Republican, just as I deride a lot of people who are Democrats. I deride republicans more because they’ve gone so far off the rails of what they were meant to be and what I used to identify with, and have allowed their own opportunism to make them subjugates of a demagogue.

That’s not to be said for all of them, though. Kinzinger seems like a guy I could get behind. I knew Anthony Gonzalez personally in high school. Another great guy. What are your thoughts on them?
So are you saying you do not support abortion, letting criminals out of jail and onto our streets, and opening our borders to traveling disease or

chasing those nasty terrorist parents who complain about the indoctrination your folks are dealing to their children in schools?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:18 AM
You think you’re being clever.

You’re not.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Why?

The is one of the most simple-minded assumptions I’ve seen on this board. You’re not simple minded either.

Yes he is.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:35 AM
Quote
Like you, I just don't understand how anyone can align with a side that puts someone like Cruz, Graham, on 'their team'.


It's like My Pops used to say: "Water seeks its own level. "
Originally Posted by dawglover05
You think you’re being clever.

You’re not.


I don't think I am clever enough to be clever. Just trying to understand your thinking is all.

You post and often spout but there is no depth to it so I asked.

I will leave you alone now but we were of the same race once, so I am interested.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:45 AM


Oh yeah, we gotta be sure we don't offend the Nazis. SMH, how much more of this are we supposed to put up with. I say load em all up and send them to live on snake island.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:52 AM
Ha, okay. Do whatever you see fit.

I have engaged and disagreed with many on here who I think have provided depth, including Pit, FATE, mgh, OCD, Peen, Arch, etc. I would hope they consider the same.

For what it’s worth, you criticize my lack of depth, but you yourself just dodged and/or deflected a couple questions on this thread and post political cartoons constantly. I get it. It’s a troll thing and that’s fine. You do you.

I’d be willing to bet that, on the issues, there are several places where we intersect in our ideologies. I’d also be willing to bet that we differ mostly in areas concerning how we actually view parties and the authenticity of what politicians say vs what they actually do or believe, or alternatively what their true motivations are.

That’s where I had my awakening and why I left “the club.” I had a very long conversation with DC about it, who I found out - along with Jfan - had very similar realizations to my own.

It’s all well and good now though. You can enjoy your fiesta without us enemies within. I watch two very large, corrupt machines constantly vie with each other to see who can be more self-interested. I’m glad to no longer be a part of the machination, but it sucks waiting for the bottom to constantly fall out.
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Also, anti-Republican is your perception of me. I happen to deride a lot of people who consider themselves Republican, just as I deride a lot of people who are Democrats. I deride republicans more because they’ve gone so far off the rails of what they were meant to be and what I used to identify with, and have allowed their own opportunism to make them subjugates of a demagogue.

That’s not to be said for all of them, though. Kinzinger seems like a guy I could get behind. I knew Anthony Gonzalez personally in high school. Another great guy. What are your thoughts on them?


Oh, I missed this post...

Henry was wise and intelligent and Gonzalez was a good politician but an emotional turncoat who failed to represent his constituents. Kind of like Romney.
Originally Posted by dawglover05
For what it’s worth, you criticize my lack of depth, but you yourself just dodged and/or deflected a couple questions on this thread and post political cartoons constantly. I get it. It’s a troll .

You have misunderstood the cartoons. A picture is worth 1000 words.

You have misunderstood when I say something and don't come back for the twists and insults, as trolling.

I often say what I have to say and then leave the room. I know the libs aren't gonna like what I said but that is their problem, living in their uninformed bubbles as they do.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 01:23 AM
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but we were of the same race once,


I can't think of a more telling statement.
Your Freudian slip is showing.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 01:25 AM
Yes, you stir crap then run. Like a troll.
And here they come, right on que.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 01:55 AM
"cue."


"que" is Spanish for "Whuuut?"
Like he said before, you ain't clever.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 01:59 AM
Oh no, don't get stuck in the queue… 40 was talkin' barbecue… But your cue shtick was right on cue.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as the sound of a trap snapping shut.

Thanks for the tears, they are delicious.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Also, anti-Republican is your perception of me. I happen to deride a lot of people who consider themselves Republican, just as I deride a lot of people who are Democrats. I deride republicans more because they’ve gone so far off the rails of what they were meant to be and what I used to identify with, and have allowed their own opportunism to make them subjugates of a demagogue.

That’s not to be said for all of them, though. Kinzinger seems like a guy I could get behind. I knew Anthony Gonzalez personally in high school. Another great guy. What are your thoughts on them?


Oh, I missed this post...

Henry was wise and intelligent and Gonzalez was a good politician but an emotional turncoat who failed to represent his constituents. Kind of like Romney.

Adam, not Henry Kissinger. How did Gonzo fail to represent his constituents?
My bad on Henry. He was awesome.

Adam will be looking for a new job soon.

Gonzo voted to impeach at the second impeachment charade. His constituents are still mad.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 03:20 AM
Again....not clever.
not smart.
not even up on the difference between Kinsinger and Kissinger (though they be separated by 40+ years, and one is now 98 years old-)

and yet, you think you're the one setting traps...
Even the bears who ride the slow bus to the berry bushes and shallow salmon streams be LTAO @ you.

Mitch, please.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:52 AM
His constituents are all the people in his district, Republican and Democrat. Since you made the assertion that he acted against the will of his constituents, what do you have to back that up?

I have this:

Overall, 60 percent of Americans say Trump bears either a “great deal” or a “good amount” of responsibility for the insurrection, but 72 percent of Republicans and 83 percent of Trump voters say he bears “just some” responsibility or “none at all.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/post-poll-january-6/

So the majority of Americans believe that he bears at least a good amount of responsibility. Hell, Kevin McCarthy said as much before he bent the knee. If Gonzo actions coincide with the majority, how did he ignore his constituents?

Furthermore, this was his response, ver batim:

“I like to think that no matter who is the perpetrator, whether it’s a foreign actor or domestic actor, if somebody is attacking the United States Congress, the President of the United States will step up and do everything to stop it and stop it immediately,” Gonzalez said after his impeachment vote. “Instead, we saw what amounted to escalation, indifference for a period of time and then a sort of ham-handed attempt at calming the situation that didn’t happen until hours into the insurrection.”


After his decision to retire, Gonzalez said he still believes his impeachment vote was “the right decision for the country” and its correctness will “become increasingly obvious” in future years. He also decried the increasingly shrill nature of both political parties, and said he believes “fewer and fewer people” are identifying with the loudest voices in each one. He has continued to vote in favor of efforts to hold Trump and his associates accountable for the insurrection, supporting the creation of a bipartisan commission to probe the riot, and voting to hold former Trump advisor Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena to testify before the January 6 committee.

“You cannot build a political movement around a person or a personality,” Gonzalez said of Republican allegiance to Trump. “People are fleeting and they’re flawed. The Republican Party needs to build itself on timeless conservative ideals, the ideals of of Abraham Lincoln of Ronald Reagan, that put the family at the center of society, that reduce the size of government, and promote freedom throughout society. That’s ultimately what I hope the Republican party gets back to, but this obsession over one individual, and blind loyalty to that one individual, it’s a dead end politically, but it’s also horribly toxic for the country.”

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021...congress-members-say.html?outputType=amp

Not one thing he said was wrong.

He acted against his own career self-interests, not his constituents. Unfortunately, that’s what makes him stand apart from the Jim Jordans of the world and all the other people who have come to infect and corrupt the Republican Party. Doing the right thing is what caused his party - not his constituents - to oust him. Is that the democracy we want? Where someone doesn’t fall in line with a party - again, nothing to do with constituents - and they get censured and blacklisted. He didn’t fail his voters. He ticked off one man, who he was willing to stand up to against his own personal interests to preserve what this country was built for.

And that gives me a glimmer of hope.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg


Oh yeah, we gotta be sure we don't offend the Nazis. SMH, how much more of this are we supposed to put up with. I say load em all up and send them to live on snake island.

Again, I think crazy talk like this has a correlation to some of the crazy talk we hear out of the left.

One thing leads to another.

And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on...
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 01:17 PM
I don’t think it’s correlated, but even in the event it was, each person is responsible for his own actions. Sometimes it’s harder to accept that someone we want to be right isn’t solely to blame for something, but the facts are the facts.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
But as an anti Republican poster you surely must support those Democrat ideals. Yes?

Only someone that has completely shut off both their ears and their brains could ask an Independent this question. The answer to the crux of your question is 'no'. Being 3rd party allows you to accept/criticize any and every portion of any party's platform.

For me, I'll also add that I used to consider myself Republican and when the Tea Party hilarity started up was when I couldn't stomach it any more. I was never a Democrat... so for me, they are simply a party that I largely disagree with. Not a disappointment like Republicans.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 02:40 PM
Insanity - if you post anti Trump ... or anti Republicans Under Trump opinions you must support Democrat ideals? I mean that's someone right there that's lost touch with reality and anything that might be considered original thought or principals.

Honestly I would think my natural position on the political spectrum is Libertarian. I have strong Conservative fiscal opinions about most things. I also think health care is a right. I also believe in many proactive environmental programs and place the value of a healthy world/environment over profits. . . . But no Trump supporter would believe that, because Trump is a cancer and I've been vocal about him.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
But as an anti Republican poster you surely must support those Democrat ideals. Yes?

Every Trumpian like yourself is anti-Republican. You forgot what a Republican is to bow at the feet of trump.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
You post and often spout but there is no depth to it so I asked.

rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Again, I think crazy talk like this has a correlation to some of the crazy talk we hear out of the left.

One thing leads to another.

And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on...

Yes, the crazy left thinks we should actually tell all of history the way it actually happened instead of whitewashing it. So the GOP answer is to be "impartial to Nazi's".

Dear Lord man.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:49 PM
Echo both what you and oober said. If someone’s politics perfectly line up with any single party’s platform or advocacy, then either 1) that’s one hell of a coincidence or 2) that person is compromised their own independent thought process and ideals.

I have no problem with people who say, “yeah I voted for X politician even though I disagree with him on X, Y and Z because issues A, B and C are more important to me.” I think that’s most people.

The ones where I have the real problem - the ones who scare the hell out of me - are the ones who have basically come to follow a person or group with such fervor that it harkens back to all the horrible memories of the early to mid 20th century. That should not be something that happens in this form of government, which was essentially founded on distrust of individuals and the need to hold them in check.

The discrepancies are astounding at times. I’m betting a lot of people who are ardent Trump supporters were also ardent McCain supporters in 2008. Nothing really changed about McCain’s politics after that, except that he was at odds with Trump, which was enough to flip those people to despising McCain.

We’ve flipped to it being about the person and not the policies. That’s an extremely dangerous shift.

Edit - that was a reply to mgh
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:54 PM
It's not easy. I thought Hillary was so bad I couldn't bring myself to vote for her or trump in 2016. After 4 years of trump I would have voted for damned near anyone to replace him in 2020. It is a sad state of affairs when those were the only two choices that had a chance to win the presidency.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
After 4 years of trump I would have voted for damned near anyone to replace him in 2020.

Biden thanks you for your support. LOL
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 04:59 PM
It's sad that I actually earned that moniker. But after four years of Trump I was also sad I didn't vote for hillary in 2016. Sometimes in life we face situations that either choice is somewhat of a no win situation. This was one of those times.
Posted By: Jester Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/11/22 07:27 PM
Unfortunately, when voting for President, it feels as if that is the norm rather than the exception.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/12/22 02:48 AM
McConnell: Rounds 'told the truth' about 2020 election

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday expressed his support for GOP Sen. Mike Rounds (S.D.), who earlier this week was attacked by former President Trump after saying the 2020 presidential election was fair.

"I think Sen. Rounds told the truth about what happened in the 2020 election," McConnell told CNN. "And I agree with him."

While appearing on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, Rounds shot down Trump's claims that the presidential election was affected by voter fraud, saying President Biden's victory was legitimate.

"While there were some irregularities, there were none of the irregularities which would have risen to the point where they would have changed the vote outcome in a single state," said Rounds. "We simply did not win the election as Republicans for the presidency."

Shortly after Rounds made his remarks, Trump released a statement attacking the South Dakota senator and repeating his baseless claims that the election was fraudulent. Trump called Rounds "a weak and ineffective leader," adding, "I hereby firmly pledge that he will never receive my Endorsement again!"

Rounds responded to Trump on Monday, saying he was "disappointed but not surprised" by the former president's reaction.

“As a Republican Party, our focus should be on what lies ahead, not what’s in the past. Elections are about growing support for your party, not further dividing it,” he said.

Other Republicans have come to Rounds's defense, including Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, who said Rounds spoke the "truth knowing that our Republic depends upon it." Other Republican lawmakers similarly echoed what Rounds said and argued that it was time for the party to move on.

"I don't think re-litigating or rehashing the past is a winning strategy," fellow South Dakota Sen. John Thune (R) said. "If we want to be a majority in 2023, we've got to get out and articulate what we're going to do with respect to the future the American people are going to live and the things they're going to care about when it comes to economic issues, national security issues."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/589309-mcconnell-rounds-told-the-truth-about-2020-election

Y'all still struggling with the truth. Booting Trump harshly would go a long way toward healing the divides.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/12/22 12:13 PM
jc

im still trying to figure out what the GOP is gonna do with their far right problem. democrats are once again handing the GOP an alley oop, but they're about to get hung at the rim with the cawthorn and greene types.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/12/22 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Again, I think crazy talk like this has a correlation to some of the crazy talk we hear out of the left.

One thing leads to another.

And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on...

Yes, the crazy left thinks we should actually tell all of history the way it actually happened instead of whitewashing it. So the GOP answer is to be "impartial to Nazi's".

Dear Lord man.

The left thinks more than that.

I think the notion of "copycat' is well established. I don't think that phenomenon is strictly limited to murders.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/12/22 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
The left thinks more than that.

Please elaborate.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/12/22 01:48 PM
You're not making any sense. Since when is telling "all of history" a bad thing? I know, since forever considering how ugly it is.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/13/22 02:10 AM
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/13/22 02:15 AM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/13/22 11:42 AM
As for Mathis, it does seem somewhat rinky dink, but your posted tweet is somewhat redacted.

His right to drive was revoked 3 times and had several failure to appear citations which resulted in the revocations. He also continued to drive while revoked.

I admit this might not rise to the level one might think about when it is said to have a rap sheet, but in politics. and for bench positions, it is at minimum a red flag that should at least be considered.

This wouldn't be an issue of record had he dealt with the citations and paid the fines as you and I are expected.

It is what it is.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/13/22 12:02 PM
It’s driving violations. And it ain’t even DUI’s or reckless driving.

Stop it.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/13/22 02:59 PM
It's not the driving violations at all. It's what he did (or didn't do) afterwards that's a potential problem. Failure to appear, failure to pay a fine is at least a red flag and something that needs to be addressed for the job he's going for.
Originally Posted by dawglover05
His constituents are all the people in his district, Republican and Democrat. Since you made the assertion that he acted against the will of his constituents, what do you have to back that up?

I have this:

Overall, 60 percent of Americans say Trump bears either a “great deal” or a “good amount” of responsibility for the insurrection, but 72 percent of Republicans and 83 percent of Trump voters say he bears “just some” responsibility or “none at all.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/post-poll-january-6/

So the majority of Americans believe that he bears at least a good amount of responsibility. Hell, Kevin McCarthy said as much before he bent the knee. If Gonzo actions coincide with the majority, how did he ignore his constituents?

Furthermore, this was his response, ver batim:

“I like to think that no matter who is the perpetrator, whether it’s a foreign actor or domestic actor, if somebody is attacking the United States Congress, the President of the United States will step up and do everything to stop it and stop it immediately,” Gonzalez said after his impeachment vote. “Instead, we saw what amounted to escalation, indifference for a period of time and then a sort of ham-handed attempt at calming the situation that didn’t happen until hours into the insurrection.”


After his decision to retire, Gonzalez said he still believes his impeachment vote was “the right decision for the country” and its correctness will “become increasingly obvious” in future years. He also decried the increasingly shrill nature of both political parties, and said he believes “fewer and fewer people” are identifying with the loudest voices in each one. He has continued to vote in favor of efforts to hold Trump and his associates accountable for the insurrection, supporting the creation of a bipartisan commission to probe the riot, and voting to hold former Trump advisor Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena to testify before the January 6 committee.

“You cannot build a political movement around a person or a personality,” Gonzalez said of Republican allegiance to Trump. “People are fleeting and they’re flawed. The Republican Party needs to build itself on timeless conservative ideals, the ideals of of Abraham Lincoln of Ronald Reagan, that put the family at the center of society, that reduce the size of government, and promote freedom throughout society. That’s ultimately what I hope the Republican party gets back to, but this obsession over one individual, and blind loyalty to that one individual, it’s a dead end politically, but it’s also horribly toxic for the country.”

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021...congress-members-say.html?outputType=amp

Not one thing he said was wrong.

He acted against his own career self-interests, not his constituents. Unfortunately, that’s what makes him stand apart from the Jim Jordans of the world and all the other people who have come to infect and corrupt the Republican Party. Doing the right thing is what caused his party - not his constituents - to oust him. Is that the democracy we want? Where someone doesn’t fall in line with a party - again, nothing to do with constituents - and they get censured and blacklisted. He didn’t fail his voters. He ticked off one man, who he was willing to stand up to against his own personal interests to preserve what this country was built for.

And that gives me a glimmer of hope.

Well I have this...

Republican Rep. John Katko, who voted to impeach Trump, not running for reelection
Katko becomes the third of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump last year not to run for reelection in November

Bye Bye, good luck in your new carrier.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 07:46 PM
You say bye bye to somebody who was willing to put principle over power. Just another who is ousted by the machine that has decided to flaunt our founding principles and create a king. Just another degradation of a party I was once a part of.

Please go ahead and cheer on your Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, and McCarthys.

The most successful form of radicalization throughout history are the forms where the radicalized don’t realize it.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 07:47 PM
Thanks for pointing out just how blind Republicans are to what happened on Jan. 6th and how the party of personal responsibility now refuses to take any responsibility. Sometimes doing and saying the right thing isn't always the popular thing. As you have also pointed out, furthering Trump's lies and refusing to hold him accountable is the wrong thing but the popular thing among Republicans.
,
Originally Posted by dawglover05
You say bye bye to somebody who was willing to put principle over power. Just another who is ousted by the machine that has decided to flaunt our founding principles and create a king. Just another degradation of a party I was once a part of.

Please go ahead and cheer on your Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, and McCarthys.

The most successful form of radicalization throughout history are the forms where the radicalized don’t realize it.

I say bye bye to someone who blew a very prestigious job by putting feelings before thinking.

And who decided it was more important to represent himself instead of those who voted him in for that job.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I say bye bye to someone who blew a very prestigious job by putting feelings before thinking.

I'm sorry to hear you lost your job.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
,


The most intelligent post you've made since your return.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted by dawglover05
You say bye bye to somebody who was willing to put principle over power. Just another who is ousted by the machine that has decided to flaunt our founding principles and create a king. Just another degradation of a party I was once a part of.

Please go ahead and cheer on your Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, and McCarthys.

The most successful form of radicalization throughout history are the forms where the radicalized don’t realize it.

I say bye bye to someone who blew a very prestigious job by putting feelings before thinking.

And who decided it was more important to represent himself instead of those who voted him in for that job.

That’s laughable. I put Gonzalez’ quote before you and you had nothing. I put my objective methodology before you and you had nothing. Please tell me how he put feelings before thinking.

Or is it just more nothing that you have?
It would fall on deaf ears as you have moved to far into the Leftist Bubble.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:10 PM
dl05, you shouldn't waste your time on debating insurrectionists, bro. Their opinions don't matter. They just want to muddy the waters on every topic. They never shoot straight.

Looking forward to the hangings for sedition. It will be one Trumpian event worth watching.
Do I smell smoke?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:13 PM
That's probably your soul burning.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Do I smell smoke?

It's coming from your ears.
grin
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
It would fall on deaf ears as you have moved to far into the Leftist Bubble.

Well to you if you aren't a soldier for Trump's lies, you're too far left.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
You say bye bye to somebody who was willing to put principle over power. Just another who is ousted by the machine that has decided to flaunt our founding principles and create a king. Just another degradation of a party I was once a part of.

Please go ahead and cheer on your Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, and McCarthys.

The most successful form of radicalization throughout history are the forms where the radicalized don’t realize it.

I don't think 40 actually understands just how crazy he sounds.. Bidding farewell to a man that stood his ground...... Held the line.. Didn't fold and kiss the rump of Trump.....
You forgot to mention he didn't represent his constituents as he was elected to do.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
You forgot to mention he didn't represent his constituents as he was elected to do.


DEFLECTING AGAIN... answer the damn question..
I reread your post and can still find no question. Perhaps you are deflecting?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
You forgot to mention he didn't represent his constituents as he was elected to do.

Again, you have nothing to back this up.

Apparently I’ve moved to the leftist bubble. I’m not sure which one of my beliefs is leftist. I guess if facts make me leftist, then call me Bernie Sanders.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/14/22 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
You forgot to mention he didn't represent his constituents as he was elected to do.

Again, you have nothing to back this up.

Apparently I’ve moved to the leftist bubble. I’m not sure which one of my beliefs is leftist. I guess if facts make me leftist, then call me Bernie Sanders.

Clearly you aren't really paying attention...The question was on a different thread..

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION... WAS THE 2020 ELECTION A FRAUD? NOW ANSWER
I already answered that question in a different thread. No.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/15/22 01:06 AM
Why were you relying to me?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/15/22 01:44 AM
Because in his rage, he was yelling and cursing and messed up?
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/19/22 09:45 PM
Tucker Carlson's Heartless Solution For The Homeless Enrages Twitter

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlsons-heartless-solution-homeless-144240485.html

Imagine being raised as rich kid and having the audacity to say something like this. Never worked hard a day in his life. Guys like him commit suicide when they lose their money, go bankrupt, whatever because of finances. Homeless people still wake up everyday with the will to live, to survive. Regardless of how they got in that position.

I can’t stand tucker or the millions that follow this clown. Imagine the sense of entitlement they must have to make statements like this.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/19/22 09:47 PM
What's your solution for fixing the homeless problem?
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/19/22 09:57 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
What's your solution for fixing the homeless problem?

Not tuckers.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/19/22 10:08 PM
I'll tell you what the solution is. There needs to be govt run institutions that rehab them. Get them off the drugs and treat their mental health and put them to work. It needs to be mandatory. If you're homeless you get picked up and put in a program. Some people will be success stories, some won't. But all of them will think twice about being homeless because they won't want to get picked up by the govt for treatment.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I'll tell you what the solution is. There needs to be govt run institutions that rehab them. Get them off the drugs and treat their mental health and put them to work. It needs to be mandatory. If you're homeless you get picked up and put in a program. Some people will be success stories, some won't. But all of them will think twice about being homeless because they won't want to get picked up by the govt for treatment.

Do you realize everything you just said is the complete opposite of what tucker said?

That’s a good start. We have to remember that a lot of homeless people are their because of addictions, mental health, domestic violence, and abandonment.

Society either forgets or likes to ignore that here in America, anywhere between 20-25% of homeless people are children. I’m trying to figure out how tucker expects kids to do what he stated.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 12:22 AM
Who said I agree with Tucker on this?

I saw his speech about it. His solution is to make your problem someone else's problem. That's not gonna work.

Neither is giving them free housing and expecting nothing in return.

The only people currently treating this problem effectively are missions (typically religious) and other rehab type charities. They are too small to help everybody. The govt needs to do it on a bigger scale.
Posted By: Swish Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 12:44 AM
I agree. But affordable housing is a good way to get people off the street. Statistically, section 8 housing is a 2 year wait list. That’s already tough. Then when even private businesses try to build affordable housing, city councils block them for zoning regulations AKA, we don’t want the poor in our area.

Imagine how many people we can get off the street simply by building barracks like apartments, where people can pay very low rent, have utilities in their name, and actually attach it to credit building.

The primary issue always getting in the way is the fact that the elites don’t want to fix the homeless/housing crisis. They don’t want a fix to the homelessness. They just want it out of their eye sight. They don’t care that people are homeless, only that it’s getting in the way of their daily routine. So we once again end up having government at every level spending tax payer money to hide the problem instead of fixing it.

It’s quite pathetic.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 12:55 AM
These people dont have jobs. They are drug addicts and or mentally ill. They need to go to rehab before they can be expected to maintain some sort of job. They need to learn life skills. After that then they can have some sort of govt housing and job.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I already answered that question in a different thread. No.

NO,,, I want to hear you clearly articulate if Trump won or lost...
Posted By: Damanshot Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
I already answered that question in a different thread. No.

NO,,, I want to hear you clearly articulate if Trump won or lost...
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I'll tell you what the solution is. There needs to be govt run institutions that rehab them. Get them off the drugs and treat their mental health and put them to work. It needs to be mandatory. If you're homeless you get picked up and put in a program. Some people will be success stories, some won't. But all of them will think twice about being homeless because they won't want to get picked up by the govt for treatment.

Just like reeducation centers, right, comrade? Or we could score for team decency, and make housing a guaranteed basic human right. Sure, it would be a financial blow to profiteering landlords and property hoarding corporations, but making sure everyone has acceptable shelter trumps that in my book.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 02:44 AM
I had a long statement on this in another thread. You have to balance the costs essentially. There will always be a “cost” so to speak. Tucker is just stirring his ignorant base and trolling, which is his MO, but let’s just hypothetically say you flat out cut off all benefits and resources. You’re going to have a lot more homeless people out there and a lot more people fall into homelessness. You’re going to have rising crime rates, damage and other “costs” that come with that. If the solution there is to throw them in jail, you’re actually increasing the costs because that requires a whole lot more infrastructure and expenses than people think. I suppose people like Mr. Carlson might just propose shooting them instead, but hopefully we as a society haven’t gotten to his level of detachment and demagoguery.

On the other extreme, you do take into account the human element, but it’s very possible and often so happens that blindly pumping cash into homeless and impoverished benefits leads to a poorer situation. It’s a cost to the legit tax payers and often times gets abused and mismanaged. It’s very legitimate for people to be concerned that they work hard for their money and don’t want to hand out free-be’s.

So to me, it’s balancing the cost and the human element. My wife actually has been part of a pretty innovative homeless outreach effort with a nonprofit she works for down here in Cincy. It’s not a perfect model, but it’s improving. They work closely with police so that they can deal with crises in areas where people are being housed. The overwhelming amount of homelessness involves mental health issues that often ties into narcotics usage and other problems. They are trained to be on the frontline, and it goes really well because the police don’t have to use as many of their resources and they know that when they get called in that “poop” must have gone south already. They don’t have to try to put on another hat where they haven’t been trained well.

Overall it’s a pretty decent construct. Trying to use effective resources to confront things like severe schitzophrenia, which is far more common than many think. Once that is dealt with, they try to line the people up with job resources and act as a liaison with multiple employers, so that people get back to the point where they are recontributing to society. Another thing they have set up is a payee program where the agency ends up receiving all of the government benefits on behalf of the client. They then pay for the essentials (rent, utilities, food, medication, debts, etc) before the person actually receives any leftover funds.

Like I said, it’s still evolving and improving but it’s goal is to achieve what I consider to be finding the sweet spot in cost management looking at things from the two lenses I described.

Tucker is just rabble rousing and has to keep up with his “let them eat cake” mantra, which is to be expected. Rarely does he ever say anything that has any substance to it, that actually goes beyond instilling fear, anger or obtuse doubt.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 03:19 AM
Your wife's outreach sounds well grounded. Get them rehabbed and medicated and some of them might have a chance in life. If we can build prisons for the criminals, then we can build rehabs so people can get a chance at a normal life.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I'll tell you what the solution is. There needs to be govt run institutions that rehab them. Get them off the drugs and treat their mental health and put them to work. It needs to be mandatory. If you're homeless you get picked up and put in a program. Some people will be success stories, some won't. But all of them will think twice about being homeless because they won't want to get picked up by the govt for treatment.

Just like reeducation centers, right, comrade? Or we could score for team decency, and make housing a guaranteed basic human right. Sure, it would be a financial blow to profiteering landlords and property hoarding corporations, but making sure everyone has acceptable shelter trumps that in my book.

I'll book you as patient #1 at the new bipartisan rehab center, because all you ever post is delussional hyperbole. I think you need to get back on your meds.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: What Republicans have become part 2 - 01/20/22 04:23 AM
Okay then, comrade.
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