ha ha ha ..... delusional tirade for his minions.. the guy is pure scum

Another "I hate Trump" thread!

I bet this one gets it all done.

yes a I hate trump thread on a specific news event. please discuss

Maybe you should have actually watched that debacle.

Still promoting the stolen election conspiracy that led to Jan. 6th.



Still being nasty to the press when they try to get him to answer a direct question he doesn't like. And his supporters love it.



Yeah, Pence had to run in fear for his life. No big deal according to trump.

Just a few of the lowlights.

Naw, I'm not addicted to hate porn.

j/c:

CNN would obviously never admit it, but they NEED Trump to be in the mix in the presidential race for ratings. Why does anyone think they televised a town hall full of republicans? I think they hoped the debate would have gone differently, but putting Trump on an international platform was intentional and the the last thing they want is for him to go away.

Truth be told, CNN and Trump need each other.

That's a very odd way of looking at it. Because when they don't give GOP politicians air time most of your ilk say they're fake news and they are nothing more than a bias affirmation source. Then when they do give people like trump air time we have the tripe you posted. That basic damned of you do, damned if you don't scenario.

What you didn't address are the things trump said and that currently he is the front runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. That's why he's still news. That and the fact he's being criminally investigated in multiple state for crimes, just found liable in the E. Jean Carrol case and on and on and on. And all any of you have in response is that those who oppose you and state those facts that are obsessed by him. Try looking at those polls again. The only ones actually obsessed with him are those that have him leading the Republican party on the way to the 2024 presidential nomination. And as long as he's still a major player there, we're going to talk about it.

Don't blame us for the disease that exists within the Republican party.

My apologies to the board for not exhausting all of my opinions on Trump in my one post commenting on CNN.

And hey, you used "liable"! #progress

He is a disgrace to the human race and America.

A leopard cannot change its spots. Same with Trump.

I am glad it was broadcast, did not like the cheering squad. For something that was advertised as republican and independents, it was a partisan crowd.

If there is a next time I would hit him with the audio and video clips real time to counter the factually incorrect statements.

He is the front runner for the Republican nomination, and that is scary...

Can you, in your entire time on this planet, think of anything this bizarre?? lmao

Dude.. I have seen some pretty bizarre stuff. I don't think this is the venue for discussion of it though.

Considering how the trump brigade has turned back the clock to a pre industrial generation, doesn’t say much for having a few Amish supporters does it?

From the Telegraph:

America’s dream is dying. That is why Trump may still win
Opinion by Janet Daley

Among all the absurd delusional things that Donald Trump has said in his second incarnation as a prospective president, there is one statement which should – by all the standards of conventional wisdom – have put an end to his campaign. In his deposition for the civil case in which he was found guilty of sexually assaulting E Jean Carroll, he was asked to comment on the notorious Access Hollywood tape in which he is heard to say that powerful men were able to “grab women” in their genitals (he used another word) with impunity. He explained that this was simply a historical truth: for millions of years (which would be longer than Homo sapiens have existed) it had been the case that male “stars” could do whatever they wanted to women – and then he added “unfortunately [short pause] or fortunately”.

Have you got that? It might be “fortunate” that famous men could sexually assault women. Can you imagine any American politician (let alone a presidential candidate) or public figure – any celebrity in any sphere – saying that without his career being instantly vaporised? Quite a few men have famously expended enormous amounts of blood and treasure trying to disprove the notion that they would even think such a thing. But Trump’s prospects seem to have been not just undamaged but actually enhanced by this display of what should – in what is assumed to be the current political climate in the United States – have been fatal. So what is going on here? There is clearly a significant proportion of the American population that not only rejects the Liberal consensus but is so enraged by it that it will enthusiastically support views that are brazenly offensive.

What we are seeing is the evolution of something that has not been an acknowledged aspect of American life since the 1930s. Yes, this is class war – but not as we know it in Britain or anywhere in the old European nations. It has little to do with hereditary cultural assumptions, because American social prestige is almost entirely to do with money that has been made within one or two generations. What passes for a ruling elite in the US is an educated professional cohort who run the media and academic life. Most of them got where they are within their own lifetimes.

Making your own fortune is the American dream and you do that by taking advantage of the opportunities that your immigrant forebears braved the journey to the New World to give you. Until very recently the general assumption was that if you did not succeed in escaping from poverty, it was your own fault. Everybody had an equal chance – indeed a moral obligation – to do better than their parents. That was the whole purpose of life. (I was shocked when I arrived in Britain to hear the word “ambitious” used as a pejorative.) Social mobility was not an idealistic promise made by aspiring political leaders, as it is here. It was a given, an essential part of the national character.

This open access to personal success clearly did not apply to black Americans and so race became America’s substitute for class inequality. But any idea of inherent white disadvantage could not be compatible with this ethos. America recognised that it had its poor who had suffered misfortune (sometimes of their own making), but they were not a fixed stratum of society whose station was inevitable. Not until the industrial heartland collapsed and left a great mass of the blue-collar population unemployed and destitute.

People who had been seen as “middle class” (what used to be called “respectable working class” in Britain) – from the car and steel factories of what is now the Rust Belt – were abandoned, disinherited and, most pertinently, disenfranchised. Then along came Donald Trump who sold unapologetic protectionism with the old fascist slogan “America First” – and he became their man.

Along with that promise to bring jobs back home came a full-blown vendetta against the Left-liberal social philosophy which had come to dominate public discourse. This was going to be a revival not only of the American manufacturing industry and the livelihoods it provided but of the unabashed virility of redneck life. Trump would say what was supposed to be unsayable. And the forgotten people whose anger he channelled would cheer because at last somebody was speaking for (and like) them.

What the “... or fortunately” crack at the deposition makes clear is that he may be conducting a vendetta against foreign powers stealing American industries – and migrants taking jobs that might have gone to American voters – but he is also defying the Left intelligentsia whose “believe all women” credo is seen as a threat to just the sort of men who are inclined to support him and who regard all of this as part of the same conspiracy. It is really important to grasp that Trump is not gaining popularity in spite of his ugly rants. He is gaining popularity because of them.

But Joe Biden is an old-fashioned blue-collar Democrat. He is advocating solutions in the Franklin Roosevelt tradition: subsidies for new green energy industries (to create what he calls “good union jobs”), which he promises will revive the economy of middle America. But he combines this with an embrace of Liberal orthodoxy which keeps the elites on board. It’s an uncomfortable juxtaposition. But there is nothing clear-cut or predictable about the US political scene now. The most fundamental principles are collapsing. Ordinary people distrust the institutions that they were taught to revere. This country, which once thought itself unique, is falling into the old historical trap of turning to a demagogue out of confusion and despair.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...t-is-why-trump-may-still-win/ar-AA1b8Xas

Yet your comment made no sense. Since it's obvious you haven't kept up, CNN took more heat for giving him a platform both before and after this town hall than anything they could have possibly have gained from it.

And, like I said, which you also failed to address, if they give him a platform the other side such as yourself claims they need to do it for ratings. If they don't, people such as yourself claim they are nothing more than an echo chamber for the left only airing what their viewers want to hear. You would have slammed them either way.

I'm not surprised you wish to jump in and comment on something you didn't even watch. I'm not surprised many are doing the same thing.

At least I will admit I didn't watch it. Which of those legal decisions did you read again? You know the ones you are intimately knowledgeable about that well, you didn't read?

Again, I have no need for panic porn.

What are you talking about Frank Esquire?

He’s just here in support of everything trump. He just doesn’t realize it. Lol ..you know? denial.

The whatabout in his last post was strong.

Funny how it is "whaddabout" when one person does it and it is just politcal debate when someone else does it... speaking of hypocrisy....

Trying to divert a thread to something that has nothing to with the thread you're posting in is obvious. At least one can say that when you bring up a politician from a different party into a corruption thread, at least it's still pertaining to political corruption. But I'm sure you won't admit the difference.

"Taking heat" and ratings are not the same thing.

The town hall had 3.3M viewers.
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/11/cnn-trump-town-hall-tv-ratings
CNN's controversial town hall with former President Donald Trump drew 3.3 million viewers Wednesday night, making CNN the most-watched cable news network of the evening, according to final ratings from Nielsen.

Months after Trump left office CNN ratings dipped 36% in 2021 according to one publication citing Nielson data.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cnn...donald-trump-left-the-white-house-2021-3

CNN’s Ratings Woes Continue As Network Has Its Lowest-Rated Week In More Than 7 Years
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjo...ek-in-more-than-7-years/?sh=523fa11710a6

CNN needs Trump to boosting ratings and viewership. The town hall was an example of that. When Trump is in the news and CNN reports on him, they do better in ratings. It is that simple.

So speaking of "no sense", I'll return that sentiment back to you.

Still the same old, same old. Either way you would have lambasted them. It's what you do.

Analysis: CNN faces harsh criticism after Trump unleashed a firehose of lies during its live town hall

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/media/cnn-town-hall-donald-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

CNN’s own employees are disparaging the Trump town hall

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/11/trump-town-hall-cnn-employees-00096430

So you're theory is that a few hours of ratings is worth all of the fallout from it? Yeah, sure.

Oh, the irony.

I see you took your focus of the thread as well. But that's nothing new. When you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. You forgot the most important part of that post. No, actually I'm quite sure you didn't. You just didn't want to address it....

I'll defer you to my original comment on CNN needing Trump to be in the race to boost ratings and the numbers prove that. The town hall is the most recent example. Anything else you are adding on 'taking heat' is fluff means next to nothing if CNN has something to report on re: Trump. Ratings dictate sponsors. Sponsors give cash. Cash is king.

Thanks for playing.

Sure. All of the heat they're taking is fluff according to you. A few hours of ratings in your opinion means more than angering their viewers which has much longer term consequences. This is how things appear to people when they use a microscope to look at something that requires a telescope to see the full picture of.

You can think media is altruistic in that sense all you'd like, but that's not the case.

There's actually nothing altruistic about considering the long term costs of making a move your viewers have shown they were strongly opposed to even before you do it. This is a question of cost verses reward. In this case the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.

I will put this under the category of “Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant”

I get that it is in style to trash CNN for the town Hall. But should make everyone who is willing to think twice about going down that road again.

The whole abortion discussion about democrats want abortion up until birth was perhaps the most underplayed part of the town hall.

More of the things they will refuse to comment on, disavow and remain silent about............

Haven't seen the town hall. Pretty sure I won't. Looking a the back and forth on this thread I guess I'd say the following:

Trump as the front runner to be the Republican candidate is newsworthy.

Not talking about Trump and how bad trump is because the depths of his toxicity have been discussed before could be one course of action for the world.

Personally I think he's got at least a 50/50 shot at winning - and I think NOT talking about how bad he is or the lies he continues to spew moving forward only increases the chances he gets elected - so I'd say it's fair game and more than reasonable to highlight an discuss new events and milestones etc. Once he's eliminated from being a candidate I'd be happy never to talk about him ever again.

I really do not like politics or politicians.

trump has raised the bar because he is a danger to the country and unfit for office. It is a travesty that he is even a consideration.

It is depressing that he has any support. That in itself is cause for concern.

I would love to fade to black and never see his face or hear his voice again.

I did watch part of it, but when I realized it was more of a Trump Rally with his supporters rather than anything actually informative, I dumped out. Same ole crap.

I would love to see this same thing Joe Scarborough or Rachel Maddow or Ari Melber... I like watching Melber, but the other two I can live without.

But for sure, Maddow would crush him. Not sure about Joe,, he might crumble.. not sure.

Some people will defend the orange fascist rapey scum until their last breath. Cult.

You forgot traitorous...

And small-handed.

His hands do appear to be rather small. Just sayin'.

Trump’s recent comments complicate his legal team’s ability to contest charges, experts say

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump speaks about his legal woes in a way that would make most defense attorneys wince.

A recent sampling: In a March interview on Fox News Channel, the Republican former president said he had “the right to take” classified documents with him to his Florida resort and wouldn’t say he hadn’t looked at the records since leaving office. During a CNN town hall this month, he said he told a Georgia elections official “you owe me” votes in the 2020 election.

At the same town hall on May 10 he insulted a female writer as a “wack job” — only a day after that same woman, E. Jean Carroll, won a $5 million judgment against him in a civil suit alleging defamation and sexual assault. On Monday, Carroll amended a lawsuit to hold him liable for the town hall remarks.

Trump, the leading contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, has never hesitated to offer his opinion or joust with his antagonists. The problem, legal experts say, is that the former president is under intensifying scrutiny from state and federal prosecutors, and those same prosecutors can use the former president’s statements against him in a variety of ways.

“Any utterances by a defendant, whether they are confessions, denials, observations, nonsensical gibberish, or just plain goofy are nothing but pure gold for prosecutors,” said Julieanne Himelstein, a former assistant U.S. attorney in Washington.

Trump has found himself under investigation by prosecutors stretching from New York to Georgia.

He was indicted in March by a Manhattan grand jury on charges related to hush-money payments made on his behalf during the 2016 presidential campaign. On Tuesday, a New York judge set the trial to begin on March 25, in the midst of the primary contests. Trump, appearing via video conference, threw his hands up in frustration at the timing of the trial and glowered at the camera.

A local prosecutor in Georgia is investigating whether the former president and his allies broke the law in seeking to overturn his 2020 election loss. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis suggested last week that indictments could come in August. Meanwhile, a Justice Department special counsel is probing the former president’s role in the Jan. 6., 2021, insurrection and the discovery of classified documents at Mar-a-Largo, Trump’s Florida home and resort.

In recent media appearances and during rallies, Trump has made comments that could be seen as incriminating or, at the very least, complicate his legal team’s ability to beat back charges. He seemed to get into particular trouble during a May 10 town hall hosted by CNN.

The former president spent nearly an hour discussing a range of issues while also commenting on the investigations in ways that run counter to generally accepted legal advice. Not only did he re-insult Carroll and provide Fulton County’s prosecutor more fodder for her probe but he also gave the Justice Department an opening by claiming he couldn’t recall whether he had shown classified documents to anyone.

Joyce Vance, a law professor who served as a U.S. attorney in Alabama under President Barack Obama, opined on Twitter: “There were prosecutors and agents taking notes tonight.”

Trump also suggested that he was personally involved in taking records to Mar-a-Lago — “I was there and I took what I took and it gets declassified,” he said. That statement is at odds with arguments made by his own lawyers, who as recently as last month suggested in a letter to Congress that the document removal was the “result of haphazard records-keeping and packing” rather than an intentional decision by Trump.

The statements are being made as the documents investigation shows signs of winding down and as Justice Department Special Counsel Jack Smith zeroes in on the question of potential obstruction, drilling into the failure by Trump and his representatives to return the classified records in his possession despite being issued a subpoena to do so.

Trump’s penchant for public statements was on display in the last special counsel investigation he faced. He famously told an interviewer in 2017 that he was thinking of “this Russia thing” when he fired former FBI director James Comey. His lawyers sought to explain away that statement by noting that he had also said that he knew that firing Comey would prolong, rather than shorten, the Russia probe.

Legal scholars said that prosecutors might not be able to use some of Trump’s comments if they are not relevant to the charges or might be deemed prejudicial by a judge.

They also may not need to play them to jurors because other evidence is much stronger. While Trump said on CNN that he told Brad Raffensperger “you owe me” votes, he was also tape recorded asking the Georgia elections official to “find” him more votes. The call came in January 2021 as Trump was desperately trying to overturn Georgia’s election result.

“It’s not inculpatory any more than the fact that we already have a recorded phone call,” said Anthony Michael Kreis, a law professor at Georgia State University. “It might be more damning had we not had the actual recording of the phone call.”

Former prosecutors and defense attorneys say a client’s public comments can hamstring how they present their cases to a jury. It can reveal their strategy and lock them into certain lines of attacking the prosecution’s case. Such comments might also encourage them to do everything they can to keep their client from taking the witness stand.

For example, they said, Trump may have admitted to taking classified documents from the White House but his lawyers wrote, “The purpose of this letter is not to opine about whether these documents are actually classified or have been declassified.”

If Trump were to ever testify, prosecutors could use such contradictory statements to poke holes in his story, making it harder for his defense team to tell the jury a coherent narrative.

“It could well be that what Trump is doing is making it impossible for him to testify because he’d be so damaged were he to testify,” said Richard Klein, a criminal law professor at Touro University in New York.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...GPp4QNrw5p5jRazEcwRwM9ob01IsZutCKnVy6ImI

Can't wait for HIM, TRUMP- the billionaire, to start another fund me legal defense site, so the idiots supporting him can send THEIR hard earned money to him....dang, he's the best con artist ever.

Trump is going to get spanked by Desantis.


I'd bet Desantis get 70% of the Republican votes against Trump.

I also bet that if Desantis goes against Biden for pres... Desantis will get 65% of the votes

I highly doubt that. Not DeSantis winning but not by that margin.

DeStains and Trump are the same person, pure scum.

I can see a Trump / Scott ticket winning.

Normal voters aren’t falling for Scott. He’s a lying POS too. Just another MAGA deceitful liar that would ban abortions nationally. There is not a single decent person on the right to run. But they’ll throw some crap at the wall hope he sticks.

Biden is running this country into the ground. He's not electable. He is mindless flaccid puppet. Trump / Scott will win

And you think the answer is in the MAGA branch? LMAO@U

I know the answer isnt your extremist radical socialist morons on the left. Look at California collapsing to see how well libtard policies work.

I DON’T SUBSCRIBE TO LIE TO ME NEWS. So I know nothing about this fiction.

Your loony left lie to you news is avoiding telling you the truth OR your head is in the sand.

https://californiaglobe.com/article...ore-closures-lawlessness-drugs-homeless/

Theres plenty of news about it. Unplug your ears.

I can't see a Trump/Scott ticket ever even happening.


1. Ex-*45© would never share a ticket with someone who's actually likeable.

Look at the flavorless slice of Wonder Bread he chose as his first running mate. That was by design. He knows he can only look good when he's compared to nothing. Mike Pence was considered so worthless/expendable, everyday Trumpvotinfolk were ready to hang his pasty, expendable azz from a makeshift gallows on the steps of the US Capitol...

...and Spraytan45© was OK with it- for three freakking hours.

2. I don't see Tim Scott as the kind of career politician who would ever jeopardize/sacrifice/hitch his decades-won career in politics onto a sketchy public figure whose shelf-life is starting to resemble a shallow dish of mayonnaise, left out overnight.


This ticket would/will never happen, for 2 reasons:

1. Tim Scott is a helluvalot smarter than Mike Pence.
2. Donald Trump doesn't meet Tim Scott's standards.

...and I totally get it.

Can you be specific how he's running the country into the ground

They both should be in jail by Election Day.

It's funny when people were whining about "Lock her up" and then say stuff like this.

And there she is! That same Eve we've all come to know and love.

When it comes to DeSantis I agree. But then why would you be surprised about trump? I mean he is already facing criminal charges in one state and is currently being investigated for criminal acts in two other states. It's clearly different when you yell "lock her up" about someone facing no criminal charges verses claiming someone needs to be locked up who is facing criminal charges. At least to some people. According to your post, not so much for others.

I mean on one hand you have some grounds to say something like that about trump. On the other hand they didn't. I know, I know, it doesn't make any difference.

It’s funnier when people are whining about whatabouts in a thread then immediately throws out this in another. And Hillary? rofl:

Trump is currently facing criminal charges in one court district and is being investigated by the state of Georgia and a special prosecutor of the DOJ. None of that happened to Hillary. Trump was actually recorded telling georgia election officials he needed to find enough votes to win. He tried to intimidate them by claiming they broke laws and it wouldn't be stood for.

But you know, when they have to grasp for straws as excuses they try to make it sound like the same thing.

Have you SEEN the state of the country? Or do you live in an oblivious made up world?

The MAGA GOP and the trump brigade has put us in this state. But please continue the pathetic passive defense of trump.

Youre delusional.

Yes, again, can you be specific...

The border is a mess.

Inflation is high

The dollar is losing value around the world

Government agencies are being controlled as weapons

We are flirting with world war

Our morale value are being eroded by the queers(a politically correct term)

What the hell else do you need?

Border crossings have been cut in half.


This is nothing but GOP rhetoric because trump and his minions are being held accountable.


Over Ukraine? Seriously?





Much more than fear based rhetoric.

Why don't you tell us what he's doing well...

I guess shifting the conversation would get someone who made a statement they have thus far failed to clarify off the hook by switching the responsibility to someone else who never made the claim you are asking him to support.

Thanks for your input Lar.

No problem. Facts are not your friend. Not my monkey, not my circus Curly.

So trumps biggest campaign promise of a big bad wall is a failure? And this is somehow Bidens fault?

They're outraged that Biden's new border policy has cut border crossings in half after Trump's chapter 42 policy ended. They won't say anything about it and act like it didn't even happen.

Now Trump caused the border crisis.

350,000 per year crossed during Trump presidency.

2.4 million crossed last year.

"Border crossing have been cut in half after Biden ended Trump's Chapter 42."


That is literally the most mindless thing I've ever seen posted on here. Have you ever checked your house for leaded paint??

The border is a mess. It ain't perfect but it's better than it was under that fool you follow
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Inflation is high. Yes all over the world, are you suggesting Biden is at fault for the world's economic condition?
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The dollar is losing value around the world. I don't think that's the case.. But it makes a very good GOP talking point.
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Government agencies are being controlled as weapons. Pot meet kettle. What the hell do you think the GOP did to Hillary Clinton or the way they attacked Obama.. Now you think it's a weapon but when the GOP does it, it's not?
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We are flirting with world war. Actually we are far safer with Biden in Charge now than we were with the GOP in charge. As far as flirting with war, when aren't we. More important, all Biden is doing is responding to what Putin is doing. If you don't get that, then you aren't nearly as wise as I once thought you were.
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Our morale value are being eroded by the queers(a politically correct term). When was the last time you were attacked by a gay or queer or anyone that falls under the LGBTQ+ banner? when? We've had people that oppose Trump getting attacked by MAGA loving, white supremsists, antisemites, crazy's.. you know, like Qanon Shaman or perhaps the Trump/MAGA loving KKK. I'm guessing facts don't matter... I don't mind if you don't like Gay people. But don't stop them from living their best lives the way they want to. It's america.. Freedom for all. Not America, Freedom for those that think or believe as you do. That's freaking idiotic.

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What the hell else do you need? How about some real issues.. not these.. these are nothing more than GOP talking points... worthless.

Biden didn't "end title 42". It expired. You can't use the excuse of Covid after Covid is no longer a pandemic. It ended according to it's own timeline. Try actually using a quote rather than making one up to suit what you wish I would have stated. Here I'll help you with that and even bold it for you to make it easier....

"Biden's new border policy has cut border crossings in half after Trump's chapter 42 policy ended"

Let's see here. All a lot of you did was yell and scream about how many were crossing the border before chapter 42 ended. The right wing and even left wing media were reporting how much illegal immigration and border crossings would increase once chapter 42, trump's legislation ended. Instead it was cut in half at that point.

Now you want to go back and revise that by sighting something completely different in relationship to what is being discussed. Well alrighty then. Either it was cut in half after this policy change went into effect or it wasn't. In fact it was. Of course I knew, as I said in my previous post, "They won't say anything about it and act like it didn't even happen." You never disappoint.

I'm not the one that moved the goal post. But I do understand how projection is about the only tool you have left. Oh, and memes.

There you have it folks. Inflation isn't real and is nothing more than just a GOP talking point. Liberals really do live in their own reality.

LOL…And there you have it folks. The GOper trump brigade bringing up inflation while doing nothing about it, and continuing their war on minorities, women, and LBGTQ.

Illegal Border Crossings have been a problem for either party in power. It's not something the GOP have all figured out. As Pit has mentioned - Biden's recent changes and announcement on legal entry into the country has helped.

Inflation is high globally - it's a hangover from Covid and it's impacted by the War in Ukraine. It is definitely a problem but it is not a left or right thing - and the USA is doing better than many other countries and the trend is currently in the right direction.

I disagree with such a blanket statement that government agencies are being controlled - even if I think there are issues there. But I know the Durham report has been blown out proportion by some media. I'd be equally concerned ho the DOJ was weaponized under the last administration. Politics and extremes on both sides are causing issues and I do not see one side/party being better than the other.

I do not think we are in danger of a world war - and if there is a possibility it is because of the madman in Russia.

I do not believe our moral values are being eroded by queers - if anything I would say a much bigger problem is our politicians -or at least the ones at the fringes. And while you might point to Democrats on the far left I'd point to snake oil sales people on the right like MTG, Nunes, Gaetz. I'd blame the '2 party system' as failing and the main stream media trying to create divide and sensationalize any/every-thing. I think those things create more hostility, reduce compromise and compassion and do significant harm to our culture.

The UnWoke MAGAts can’t see they’ve lost the culture war. Regular Americans don’t hate companies for being inclusive. Regular Americans don’t support coups. Regular Americans don’t buy into the radical right-wing empty hate filled rhetoric they feed their fearful deluded base. Regular Americans don’t coddle dictators or would be dictators. This disqualifies ALL of their candidates. There is now shame in even being a republican voter. Voting for any of these republican human cockroach candidates is simply a shameful act of pure cowardice.