I wouldn’t say i like our chances ... but i think we have a much better chance than most think and here’s why ...
- trap game .. they had the chiefs last week and the seahags next week .. could this be a letdown game for them ..
- they lost two of the best defensive players in the NFL just last week ..
- teams seem to always play above their heads in the first week with a new starting qb ... obviously that trend hasn’t worked here for the last 20 years ... WERE DUE ... *L* ...
- we get Collins back and hopefully MG can play more ...
Oddly I feel better about this game than i did last weeks .... and that is TOTTALY ILLOGICAL ... *L* ..
Me thinks we got a shot dawgs .. are the stars aligned? ..
Maybe.. I appreciate you admitting it's totally illogical.
My fear is that our defense is going to look ok most of the time.. then in critical situations we are going to have our safety 40 yards deep and Watson is going to scramble through the line and not see another Brown for 20 yards...
That is my prediction, Watson is going to kill us with his legs, maybe not for a ton of yardage but in critical situations, he's going to hurt us.
Maybe.. I appreciate you admitting it's totally illogical.
My fear is that our defense is going to look ok most of the time.. then in critical situations we are going to have our safety 40 yards deep and Watson is going to scramble through the line and not see another Brown for 20 yards...
That is my prediction, Watson is going to kill us with his legs, maybe not for a ton of yardage but in critical situations, he's going to hurt us.
Watson is going to have a chip on his shoulder for this game. I don't see it being a trap for him.
I think he is going to show the world we made another mistake.
We have to beat some team before I'm going to believe we can beat any team.
I don't think we have the attitude of a "trap team". To be one, you need to obvious weaker team, which we are, but also be the more focused and hungrier team than the other, which we aren't.
The Browns are my team, but we have no confidence (I don't think it's right to question a players heart). Our role in the league is to be rolled every week and we seem to know our role.
Is the current line 9 1/2?
Hold on.
9.5 * 3.333% = ~ 32%
32% + 50 % = 82%
100% - 82% = 18%
Browns have a ~ 18% chance of winning the game according to Vegas betting lines and assuming Browns are 9 1/2 dawgs.
About 1 out of 5 chance.
Pick a number from 1-to-5.
Sometimes you pick the right number.
Better than the roll of a die.
Trap game? The Jets did nothing except get dressed, go out on the field and we handed them a win. The Texans just need to take the field and they’ll win.
Our secondary is very likely to get torched.
I actually see this game as a blowout.
Houston - 38
Browns - 17
Enjoy your win Houston. I see me tuning off by the end of the first quarter to be real.
Bad passing D with a good mobile QB + Bad passing O and a good D
A lot has to change for this not to be a blowout.
Houston is the first good team we are facing.
I should have quit reading after DC’s response ... *L* ...
Guess i’m In the minority thinking that this may be a trap game for them ... actually ... it appears im on an island as opposed to being in the minority .... *LOL* ...
MILK MAN U said the texans just have to take the field and they’ll win ....
Thats the first step of the trap game proccess ...
Maybe.. I appreciate you admitting it's totally illogical.
My fear is that our defense is going to look ok most of the time.. then in critical situations we are going to have our safety 40 yards deep and Watson is going to scramble through the line and not see another Brown for 20 yards...
That is my prediction, Watson is going to kill us with his legs, maybe not for a ton of yardage but in critical situations, he's going to hurt us.
Hogan is very capable of doing the same thing...
I would like to see Peppers play spy on Watson whilst playing closer to the LOS as the 8th man in the box. We don't win if we allow Watson time of any magnitude but he is a rookie. Garrett playing, Collins back. This is a game where I just want us to run blitz the be-jesus and see where it stacks because we cannot give their receivers time to develop routes and plays. Stop the run, force Watson into making decisions before he is ready. Take the hit on big plays if need be but we need to be tighter in coverage to take away the huge windows of opportunity.
I've been thinking pretty much the same exact thoughts the last few days.
They've also only scored well (thus far) against bad defenses - Tenn, KC, and NE are all rated in the bottom 1/3. Against Jax (14th) and the Bengals (2nd), they scored 7 and 13 points. We're 5th, so I'm hoping their low point total rings true with us as well.
That strategy would seem like a no brainier ; at least until made adjustments at the Half.
It could be.
Hopefully, the self-proclaimed genius that is Gregg Williams can design something to throw Watson off of his game. I don't think Houston's OL is very good at all. And I think it is too early to anoint Watson as a very good qb. A lot of his positive stats last week were in garbage time. This is about the time of year DC's can start game-planning against young qbs.
You're right that the Texans also lost two great defensive players. Everyone knows Watt is, but Mercilus is one of the NFL's very best and might be it's most underrated player.
I think guys like Mercilus, Justin Houston in KC, and Cox in Philly don't get nearly enough credit.
Back to our game. I wonder how well Hogan will play? I have no idea, but he is going to have play much better than Kizer was for us to have a chance.
The numbers might not indicate it, but I think KC has a very good defense.
The numbers might not indicate it, but I think KC has a very good defense.
For sure - with only 5 games in the books, one bad game could highly skew ratings.
To be honest, the way they rate defenses is bad. It is based on yards. It should be a few things - yards given up, points given up (against the defense only), turnovers, sacks, etc... all combined and a formula to decide it - kind of like the QB rating, but logical
I've been thinking pretty much the same exact thoughts the last few days.
They've also only scored well (thus far) against bad defenses - Tenn, KC, and NE are all rated in the bottom 1/3. Against Jax (14th) and the Bengals (2nd), they scored 7 and 13 points. We're 5th, so I'm hoping their low point total rings true with us as well.
Scratch this, McManamon (sp?) picked the Browns
And even then, garbage time yards/scores would skew even that stat.
I don't like our defense vs Houston. Not even a little bit. Our secondary is super suspect... and I haven't seen our rush doing anything even close to mitigating that. Remember what Jacoby Brissett did to us? Watson has wheels, he's going to get at least 1 score with a keeper.
The hardest part for the Houston offense will be figuring out who is going to bring the ball into the endzone.
Deshaun Watson had 2 TDs in his first game, 4 in his second and 5 more in his third. There were articles pre-draft about us living to regret passing on him, and like last year against the Eagles, we will see the results of passing on yet another quality starting QB. My bet is at least another 5 TDs against us and maybe adding a 6th for good measure.
I predict that Travis Kelce will have a huge game.
I predict that Travis Kelce will have a huge game.
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If this is in response to what i think it is ...
BEST RESPONSE EVER If u just did what I think u did ... i’m Literally laughing so hard, im in tears ...
It doesn’t make what i said any less true ...
MILK MAN U said the texans just have to take the field and they’ll win ....
Thats the first step of the trap game proccess ...
Touche!
I haven't felt this confident about us getting a win since last Sunday morning lol.
They lost Watt and that other guy. Huge pieces to replace.
We got a shot. I agree with Vers about Greg Williams: we're facing a rookie QB who's looked good, but he is still a rook - get after him.
I have a feeling ogbah will have a great game because he's going back home....
Hogan needs to play well for us to have a chance.
My biggest concern is that the Browns struggle against power backs. Collins in Balt managed to be the only real guy to run on the defense. I hope Freeman doesn't kill us.
People are losing their minds over Watson right now. He was 10-21 before he got smoking hot vs KC. More importantly, he is a rookie and a rookie QB is prone to mistakes. I would make him try to beat the Browns with his arm. I dont think he is able to do that right now
MG could be part of the answer for Watson. Taylor could have a very bad day. Collins could help us a bunch. Hope Williams gets us after him. Peppers might be able to show something this week to disrupt Watson, although he hasn't shown much for us thus far.
We are playing defense with Hogan. Long drives and scores would help us limit Watson.
This game has some interesting matchups with Watt down IMO.
It's just our luck we are starting KH and 2 of our O-lineman are out the worst being Tretter the C. Even more for Kevin to overcome. It wouldn't be our Browns if there weren't a few extra problems.
Has something changed? Last I saw both Tretter and Coleman are expected to play. I don't think Rieiter is much of a drop off anyway.
I never saw the Texans as contenders for any game be a trap game.
Jmho we are winning this week!
This will be Hogans breakout game.
I never saw the Texans as contenders for any game be a trap game.
Jmho we are winning this week!
*L* ... good point ... guess i overlooked there 2 - 3 record ..
This could be a high scoring affair if the Browns had WRs that could actually catch and get up field.
Maybe Williams will get some targets
Njoku and Duke are the only 2 real threats for the Texans.
I don't see the Browns defense holding the Texans offense in check.
Fuller and Hopkins are match up problems.
Watson can expose a over zealous Williams
With his feet
Has it ever been easy? When was the last time we won a laugher?I need a win, but I could REALLY use a laugher after all the nonsense we have put out there. Hope Hogan sets the bar higher and moves us some. And I hope Hue has somebody explain how to call some so they leave the box less packed. If we can't do it all, decide our will be done on some things.
Go, Browns!
Forget about Houston and Trap game, forget that.
This is the Cleveland Browns! Now just what are the Browns going to do to win this game!
Forget about Houston and Trap game, forget that.
This is the Cleveland Browns! Now just what are the Browns going to do to win this game!
First thing ... MAINTAIN LANES WHEN RUSHING THE PASSER ... they need to keep Watson in the pocket ... if we don’t do that ... WERE IN TROUBLE!!!
`if we don’t do that ... WERE IN TROUBLE!!!`
if we do that we will still be in trouble
kenny britt says hogan throws a catchable ball..lets see how that works out for britt
at least this one is on tv.
Is this a sarcastic thread title?
thei 2-3 losing record just hitting their stride lol 
They are beatable. and we have our full defense on the field for the first time this year.
I saw a stat somewhere that shows we run the best up the middle.
so pound down their throats and let Hogan do his thing.
texans def front seven has taken a mighty blow. might mean Hogan has time int the pocket to shine baby shine.
we get our first win of the year...hopefully.
Deshaun Watson had 2 TDs in his first game, 4 in his second and 5 more in his third. There were articles pre-draft about us living to regret passing on him, and like last year against the Eagles, we will see the results of passing on yet another quality starting QB. My bet is at least another 5 TDs against us and maybe adding a 6th for good measure.
6 tds? LOL.
If our dbs can time their jumps then I think we can snag a few of those jump ball prayers Watson throws. He’s been getting away with those so far, but that will stop at some point. He had tds against kc that had to have driven the kc coaches nuts.
Hopkins will torch our secondary, Watson will prove again we blew another chance at a good QB.
Houston 31
Winlessness 10
Hopkins very well might be the best WR in the game.
But....
McCourty vs Hopkins interests me. Makes me think the guy that could scorch us is Fuller if McCourty continues his pro bowl play.
We'll have trouble stopping Lamar Miller catching balls ... and also Hopkins
OK going out on a line here.
Cleveland wins their first game of the season today.
Hogan out plays Watson.
Cleveland wins their first game of the season today.
Are the Cavs playing today?
Nope they will be at home watching the Browns win.
All this talk of Watson, like he is Tom Brady. He put up a lot of yardage in "garbage time", a favorite term of posters here for any good stats our QBs have.
That being said, I don't think Houston is that good. Without Watt and Mercilus, their defense will not be full power.
If fans think we will lose because of a rookie QB, that many are overinflating because the Browns passed on him, I think they are wrong.
Turnovers handed us at least three losses this year. If we turn that stat around, I believe we could beat Houston hands down.
OK going out on a line here.
Cleveland wins their first game of the season today.
Hogan out plays Watson.
I’m with u GM ... even on Hogan outplaying Watson ....
Lets hope MG can play more and not tweek it during the game ... excited to see our entire D on the field and would love to see MG closer to 100% ..
WE GOT THIS BOYS ...
WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!
Our role in the league is to be rolled every week and we seem to know our role.
OK going out on a line here.
Cleveland wins their first game of the season today.
Hogan out plays Watson.
Put the pipe down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK going out on a line here.
Cleveland wins their first game of the season today.
Hogan out plays Watson.
Put the pipe down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well that's it I'm done. I have to stop hanging out with Josh, and Johnny on Saturday nights. Does anybody know of any good rehab places I can attend so that when Purp suspends me from the board for one year I can apply for re-instatement?
I am waiting right now for Lebron's film crew to show up and let me do an interview.
I feel the need to comment, but I won't. lol
Turns out this was a trap game.. they trapped us, beat us, skinned us, and hung us in the barn.. damn trap games.
We are going to win sooner or later...might as well start here.
Its very simple our defense will determine whether we are in the game or not. O just has to eliminate the mistakes and we should have fun. Trap game? I don't like that analysis as I think every team prepares to win the game. If we win...we EARNED IT.
jmho
