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Posted By: eotab What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:29 PM
bed ridden at home so not on here...What I saw was we finally got the right QB playing and Joe Thomas goes down. Wasnt long that they just attacked our left side...Kessler did not have a chance n our win slipped out of our hands.

Defense played great. Love B B C Kindred n Schobert had excellent games.
The kid Gonzalez came through with a 54 yarder at regulation end.

Hue why didnt you take the facemask penalty?

What happened to our big WR Williams#82...was he out cause Britt was in. Crowd cheered when he got hurt. Not classy but my wife was saying GOOD!

This game hurt the most cause if Joe Thomas' injury and the costly effect it had...and cause it was Joe Thomas...torn Tricep...was hoping an elbow hyperextension...sad

Sorry back to bed for me.
Posted By: OhioStateBrowns Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:35 PM
I saw the same thing as every other game. But I'm only posting here to wish you a speedy recovery. God Bless.
Posted By: lampdogg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:41 PM
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?
Posted By: nordawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:42 PM
Get well soon eo. When Joe went down the pressure really came from the left side.
Posted By: jfanent Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:45 PM
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


If the penalty were accepted, Tennessee would have had a 3rd and 16 way out of FG range. Declining the penalty gave them a 4th and 1, which they converted and put themselves into FG range.
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 09:52 PM
It was 3rd and 1 at our 32 yard line and Mariota threw an incomplete pass to make it a 4th and 1. If Hue takes the penalty it makes it 3rd down again but it takes the Titans out of FG range (would have been 3rd and 16 from our 47yd line). Hue had to know that even though it was 4th down that being that close to our end zone that Tennessee would either go for it or kick the FG because a punt did nothing for them so the smart thing to due was take the penalty and hope you can stop them on 3rd and 16
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:10 PM
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?
Posted By: DogNDC Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:25 PM
Well what I see is that the Browns are a young team that plays hard but make mistakes. Also, we have QB problems and no real WRs. And once JT went out, Tennessee put so much pressure on our left side, it changed the structure of the rest of the game.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:35 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.
Posted By: bbrowns32 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:39 PM
I'm split on his decision. I can see it both ways...
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.



You have to back up in that situation. The ball was at our 32yd line so Tennessee was either going to kick a 49yd FG or go for it. By taking the penalty if you stop them on 3rd down it would have been either a 60+ yd FG or Tennessee would probably have punted being just over mid field.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 10:46 PM
the declining of the facemask penalty was perhaps the dumbest decision he's ever made
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 11:01 PM
I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 11:05 PM
I also saw a hell of a lot of empty seats ...
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/22/17 11:51 PM
Is this a What I Saw thread or another Bash Hue thread?

I want to post on what I saw, but I did last week and didn't get one response. Just a lot of bitching and moaning.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about the entire game and not just the same old crap about playing the blame game w/Hue.
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:02 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Is this a What I Saw thread or another Bash Hue thread?

I want to post on what I saw, but I did last week and didn't get one response. Just a lot of bitching and moaning.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about the entire game and not just the same old crap about playing the blame game w/Hue.


DID U MISS THIS ... or doesn’t it qualify?

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:05 AM
I did.

Yes, that was a good post.
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:17 AM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I did.

Yes, that was a good post.


Well .. please share ...

I seriously saw a lot of positives today ...

I forgot to mention Treggs ... he seems to be our one WR that can actually catch ... thats not fair to Higgins ... i think he only has one drop this year ..

Anyhow .. please share ...
Posted By: lionchamp29 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:18 AM
i saw alot of dropped balls. funny the other team doesnt drop our qbs balls..
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:37 AM
Alright Diam:

--I saw a lot more screens and quick pass plays to the middle of the field today.

--I thought we used Crow and Duke well. Mix and matching them.

--The D did a great job of shutting down the Titan's run game.

--Our coverage looked better w/out Peppers in there.

--Myles struggled against a few double teams, but Lewan gave Myles all he wanted and more.

--Kirksey was pretty active and did good in coverage.

--Kindred is good going downhill and against the run. Has no clue in pass defense.

--BBC is a flasher/slasher type who is fearless throwing his body around. I like his potential.

--S. Coleman struggled.

--We don't have a back up LT and that is why I thought it was a mistake to trade Cam for a 5th. I also wish we would have kept Greco.

--I thought Kize looked pretty good, but air mailed the second pick. I would not have benched him.

--Kessler looked pretty good. Similar to when Hogan replaced Kize earlier in the year.

--I am not seeing Zeitler as all that.

--Jamie Collins is a physical freak, but he isn't doing much.

--Louis dropped another pass. I've seen him drop at least 6 this year and I don't care what the stats say.

--Britt was hurt every time he didn't catch a pass. LOL

--DeValve has some skills.

--Gonzalez had the ugliest best kick ever. LOL

--Guys played hard. Losing Joe really, really hurt. I think we would have won if he was in there. I hate speculating like that, but man, it changed things big time.

--I saw..............Progress.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 01:10 AM
I noticed Britt was hurt after every drop as well.

I think from an establishing culture standpoint, I would cut him. Especially adding the missed curfew on top of that.
Posted By: AlwaysABrownsFan Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 01:24 AM
I saw a team thats going nowhere for a long friggen time. We all knew it would be slow but this is not even progressing. I saw our number 1 overall pick get shut down by a real left tackle. I saw Garrett loose contain on a QB with a bad hammy. I saw STUPID offsides on critical plays by guys standing over the ball. Teams know all they have to do on 4th and less than five is come out and pretend like they are actually going to hike the ball so we can give them a first down. I saw zero progress in our search for a QB to at least look like hes played football in the past. With Joe gone we will probably see all 3 scrub QBs come and go the rest of the year in between getting crushed everytime they take a 3 step drop. Management made their bed with the picks they had and I for one dont trust them to pick again next year.
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 01:31 AM
Thanks for sharing .... appreciatte it ....
Posted By: lampdogg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 02:27 AM
Did Britt drop one in OT?
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.

The only way declining the penalty makes sense is if you don't trust your defense to prevent them from picking up a 3rd and 16... either that or Hue was confused on what the actual game situation was.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:52 AM
Good post Vers...

I saw Kizer air mail the first INT when the WR was pretty open.. the second one, on the roll out, he stared down the second level receiver so bad that the defender covering the guy in the flat left him there and got in the throwing lane. Overall though, I thought he looked better and I really didn't it coming for him to get benched. Felt like a panic move on Hue's part.

Kessler also looked pretty good until he overthrew for an INT as well. It's obvious he doesn't have the arm strength but he anticipates well and he's more accurate. he did make a couple touch throws that Kizer just can't make yet. His drive off our own 1 yard line for a FG was huge...

One thing that I saw was Kessler finding guys downfield that Kizer never seems to find. I'm assuming they are there when Kizer is in too... Hopefully he is learning...

Other than a couple really stupid off-sides penalties that gave the Titans first downs, I thought the defense played pretty darn well. I mean, we gave up 9 points in regulation and forced a turnover for points... you can't ask much more of your defense than that.

I think Crow and Duke are fine.. not elite but certainly not a big part of the problem... too many negative plays..

Our WRs are just subpar, especially with Coleman out...
Posted By: lionchamp29 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:10 AM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.

The only way declining the penalty makes sense is if you don't trust your defense to prevent them from picking up a 3rd and 16... either that or Hue was confused on what the actual game situation was.


thats what i thought. they would probebly get it, lol
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 10:09 AM
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.


You recall correctly. As soon as we declined I knew they were going to go for it.

My thinking is why concede 3 points. Get them out of FG range and hold them.

If you are worried they might make a 1st down from 16 yards. why in the hell would you not be worried about them being able to go for it and make 1 yard?
Posted By: kwhip Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 10:46 AM
Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..





Loved the rhythm we had early offensively. Kizer looked alot more comfortable getting the ball out quicker. Duke is a STUD. So too will be Njoku.

I saw what I wanted to see out of this Defense this year. WE AGAIN CONTROLLED A RUNNING GAME. This is HUGE going forward.

It's OBVIOUS what we need going into next year.

QB
WR and Gordon. Or 2 WRs.

2 CBs
FS
LB depth
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 11:56 AM
Hope you bounce back soon Tab.

- Gut wrench moment to see Thomas get hurt and have his amazing record of plays snapped. Just sickening. He's simply an awesome player and a Browns Legend forever.

- I saw a better O scheme early that helped out a rookie QB. And I saw a QB able to do well in that fairly limited capacity/role.

- Better commitment to the run and some success there too. Crow had a better game than recently but I still think Duke is the more explosive play maker

- I saw more drops from Louis. Sorry, he's not dynamic or great enough to let those drive killing drops go .... Edwards dropped plenty but then he'd light it up on another 3 or 4 plays most games so you put up with the drops. I just don't see the upside with Louis.

- Treggs, Devalve and Njoku all flashed a little, I'd say they form a small core to build on.

- Saw Kessler come in and play make some excellent throws and move the ball well.

- OL and pressure went to hell once Thomas was out of the game. I truly find it mind-boggling that once Thomas was out of the game and the left side of the line collapsed that posters want to crucify Kessler for his play at that point. Dude had no chance and neither would any other QB in the NFL past or present.

- Defense shut down one of the NFL's best running back duo's ... I think this was a game where I finally want to buy into the teams ability to stop the run as being legitimate.

- Pass coverage looked a little better too - and part of me thinks that's because the Titans aren't all that good. But considering McCourty was out - still there is a little encouragement to be taken.

- Biggest negatives and the issues I have with the coaching for this game: [1] Penalties. Absolutely embarrassing and it's on the coaching staff. Every other regime we've had and the penalties were chronic I blamed the HC and I am not stopping now .... it's on Hue and his staff to coach the team better. Most teams aren't good enough to keep giving away 3 or 4 free 3rd downs a game and we are most definitely not. [2] Another questionable decision when Hue declined the the penalty giving the Titans a 4th and 1 and an easy decision to go for it based on field position. . . . I do understand that the call is sort of 50-50. I would have taken the penalty and said so at the time before they even knew they were going for the 4th down conversion .... the point is - Hue continually makes 'questionable' calls in these types of situations and he has not once called it right. It seems like every post game - we're talking about the 50-50 call he made and he got it wrong AGAIN. Once instance isn't damning but anyone denying there isn't a pattern of making the wrong call in these situations is in denial.

- it hurt to lose but there was more positives than negatives for the most part. Losing Thomas might totally destroy any chance of winning a game this year though.


Posted By: Damanshot Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 12:57 PM
I think I saw that Kizer isnt' the answer... at least not yet. I'm not sure ever.

Hope Joe is going to be OK

I did think that Kessler showed more arm... Was that just my imagination?
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 01:25 PM
New York state is making it impossible to get pain pills...according to them I am a drug addict. Finally got some so downstairs on my computer. Thanks for the well wishes.

Looked like we gave Kizer one read and then check down. He looked ok in those early series. Then he seemed to slip into his old self...Made the costly INTs. After the 2nd one in the 3rd qtr, I'm like we got to make the switch and I didn't really think Hue would do it...was proud of him for his decision...lets win this.

Kessler made 2 excellent deep throws to Njoku...perfectly placed with touch.

Kizer throws fastball after fastball absolutely no touch at all. I saw we were near the goal line and I'm like who is that on the right looks like he has one on one...it was Njoku...I'm like GREAT come on just throw an ally oop this kid has gops and will out grab anyone for this ball. Kizer throws the Corner fade with too much velocity and out of the endzone as Njoku dives for the ball rather than JUMPS for the snatch.

Saw Devalve make a great YAC to get an important first down.

Hue on the not taking the penalty in his presser said he thought they were going to kick the FG. I don't know I thought it was quite obvious...just confused about it more than it being such a negative. Cause it was a 15 yard penalty not 10.

Mariota...sucks if you ask me...almost as inaccurate as Kizer.

I said Kindred above I meant Kirksey...thought he had an excellent game.

How can we have so many Defensive offsides with obvious hard count situation and from the guys who are right over the BALL!
I know we discipline them by taking them out after each one but that didn't stop it. Got to make those guys run gassers that will stop it.

Once Joe went down...Kessler had to start running to the right almost immediately. Was hoping for a Screen to the left to maybe slow the rush down as they were sending two on that side.

Talk about Shark smelling blood.

Lewan was a beast...one of the best jobs I have seen. And he sucked his first year - goes to show you how you cannot over judge these young players.

Classy of Lewan to run up to Joe Thomas and tap him on his back as Joe was walking off the field. Joe didn't realize it until later and tweeted Lewan to thank him.

For those who would say why have JOE as we lose with him...hope you realize how important he is to our Run and Pass game.
Now everyone is just going to attack that side relentlessly. Hope this kid Banner has some game...

Good flow by the O this week...such a difference when you go 3 n out a lot this time we were moving the ball. Taking a lot of short stuff. Using our RBs in the pass game was key. Even Vitale made a good catch and run.

WRs were open like they have been all year.

Louis got a fast ball right in his chest from Kizer...got to catch those although it is indicative of a chatchable ball.

Garrett I thought played the run real well as did the entire team...Titans were supposedly the best running team in the NFL. Good job Williams.

Thanks for the What I saw guys. Sorry I didn't see the Bash Hue posts that you did. Just some discussion on the Not take the penalty situation and one or two that were emotional which always happens after a loss.

Stadiums were empty all over the NFL as they continue to protest and it will definitely effect the cap allotment in the long run. Hope the Player association realizes this...they strike next year...NFL football as our national pastime will be over.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 01:37 PM
Here is what I saw and some thoughts

1. Our defense had its best game of the season. They really played well, especially banged up. I will say one thing, no matter what you say about Hue, this team does seem to play for him, we just lack talent.

? Why is the world is BBC not starting over Taylor? IMO he is our best corner and lays wood.

2. We do not have a starting caliber NFL qb on this roster. Kizer started out well (due to Hues playcalling actually) you have QBs who are struggling, so they tried to simplify and go with check downs. It seemed like he was getting in rhythm - well until the pick in the redzone. I saw that coming a mile away - it frightens me he did not. Kessler came in and played really well to start out, hit some nice touch passes down field too. You can see he is accurate, but you can see as well he just doesn't have the physical tools. And of course he throws a pick in the redzone as well. . . . .

3. I am not one to complain about the refs, - really am not. But this was just a horrible called game and seemed one sided to me. Don't get me wrong, our offsides were blatent, but the pick penalty on higgens was garbage, I saw multiple times MG facemask was being pulled, grabbed etc, no call. He was also being help multiple times. They went the entire without a penalty called - not for a lack of committing penalties IMO.
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 02:15 PM
J\C

Didn't see the game but from what I understand is;

The god awful FO. that drafted a god awful QB .that chose a god awful coach, on a god awful team. that has no chance to compete at an NFL level. IMHO

Should've had TRIBISKY and Watt
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 02:18 PM
Originally Posted By: Riley01
J\C

Didn't see the game but from what I understand is;

The god awful FO. that drafted a god awful QB .that chose a god awful coach, on a god awful team. that has no chance to compete at an NFL level. IMHO

Should've had TRIBISKY and Watt
ummm Myles Garett is a beast.....

and I rather Watson over tribisky
Posted By: KashDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I'm pretty sure it was a 5 yard "illegal hands to the face" penalty, not a 15 yard face mask. Thats why I agreed with the decision.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:26 PM
Originally Posted By: KashDawg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I'm pretty sure it was a 5 yard "illegal hands to the face" penalty, not a 15 yard face mask. Thats why I agreed with the decision.


It was a 15 yard personal foul penalty.

Hue figured they had a kicker who has made 51 straight (at that time) FG and they would kick the ball there. They decided to go for it which surprised me as well.

one of those situations your damned if you do and if you don't. If we don't give them the first down, and stuff them, its a great call to not accept the penalty.

however the fact remains, regardless of the call that was made they only got three, which was what they would have had either way. so it really wasn't a big deal IMO.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:30 PM
I think it makes a difference - because it was another play call and game situation that Hue misread, and I think it's a trend. I am not for firing Hue - but he needs to own his errors. Or - he needs to own his history of 50-50 calls that seem to have always turned out wrong.... I also think it makes a difference because the penalty puts them out of FG range and you have a good opportunity to stop them on a 3rd and 16... come out of it with no points given up. jmo.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:34 PM
Hope the meds help !

I forgot to mention Kirksey and even more so Schobert .... I thought Schobert had his best game as a Brown. He surprised a lot of us when he moved to MLB - and he flaashed but he also missed some plays with poor coverage ... vs the Titans I thought he played a great game in all aspects of the position.

It's probably too soon to say I am a disappointed with Collins - the guy has so much physical ability and I thought in GW's defense he would stud out but we really haven't seen much of him making big plays .... he missed 2 (or more?) games and I will wait to see how the secondary levels out, but man you think that Collins should really be flashing some big plays a lot more.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:34 PM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
I think it makes a difference - because it was another play call and game situation that Hue misread, and I think it's a trend. I am not for firing Hue - but he needs to own his errors. Or - he needs to own his history of 50-50 calls that seem to have always turned out wrong.... I also think it makes a difference because the penalty puts them out of FG range and you have a good opportunity to stop them on a 3rd and 16... come out of it with no points given up. jmo.
So you want him to read minds then? Everyone figured they would kick the fg. it was more a shock they didn't than him declining the penalty. Seems to me you just don't like hue and are looking for ways to criticize, trust me, there is plenty to criticize, but this really isn't one. I don't believe it would have put them out of FG range, especially if they picked up a first down on that 3rd down play - see, we can assume all sorts of things, but the fact remains he played the percentages (of them not going for it). It wasn't a gamble. I think its one of those things if you took the penalty it wasn't bad and if you didn't take it wasn't bad call.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:39 PM
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Originally Posted By: mgh888
I think it makes a difference - because it was another play call and game situation that Hue misread, and I think it's a trend. I am not for firing Hue - but he needs to own his errors. Or - he needs to own his history of 50-50 calls that seem to have always turned out wrong.... I also think it makes a difference because the penalty puts them out of FG range and you have a good opportunity to stop them on a 3rd and 16... come out of it with no points given up. jmo.
So you want him to read minds then? Everyone figured they would kick the fg. it was more a shock they didn't than him declining the penalty. Seems to me you just don't like hue and are looking for ways to criticize, trust me, there is plenty to criticize, but this really isn't one. I don't believe it would have put them out of FG range, especially if they picked up a first down on that 3rd down play - see, we can assume all sorts of things, but the fact remains he played the percentages (of them not going for it). It wasn't a gamble. I think its one of those things if you took the penalty it wasn't bad and if you didn't take it wasn't bad call.


No - I like Hue. I want to keep him. I've said since preseason I want him to get an OC so 100% of his time is as a HC.

The choices were - 4th and 1 with a 41 yard FG - or 3rd and 16 at the 40. I don't want Hue to read minds - I think I'll take the 3rd and 16 at the 40. against the JETS Hue put faith in the struggling offense to get two yards on a 4th and 2. . . . Why wouldn't he put his faith in a much better performing defensive unit on 3rd and 16? . . . any play that gave up less than 15 yards made the FG attempt more difficult and if you cause an incomplete pass you give up no points. I said what I meant ...
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 03:46 PM
Quote:
against the JETS Hue put faith in the struggling offense to get two yards on a 4th and 2. . . .
Or you can say that he put faith in his def to stop a team on 4th.......see how that works?

and any play over 15 yards was a first. When its 4th down your a decent yardage away from endzone, and have a stellar FG kicker, you 99.9% of the time assume they are kicking the FG. You can blame his decision on what happened after that fact. and the final verdict was a FG anyway.

It really is not really that big a play a decision, honestly to keep bringing it up. I point out people keep bringing it up because of AFTER the FACTS and simply because they just dislike hue. 9/10 coaches would have declined it as well.
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 04:10 PM

It was 4th and 1 from our 32yd line, which means Tennessee's options were to go for it or kick a 49yd FG because punting did nothing for them. If Hue takes the penalty its 3rd and 16 from our 47yd line meaning if we stop them on 3rd down Tennessee's options are to punt or to try a 64 yd FG. The smart play would have been to take the penalty.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 04:12 PM
Heal up, Eo. Speedy recovery!

I saw game plans for losses one through six gift us another loss. Kizer's rah-rah meeting was worthless apparently. He just is not improving. He is a turnover engine. Watching Kizer is painful. Hogan stunk up his chance, and Kessler gave us a chance. Horrible to watch our WR's trotting routes. Might as well leave the country.

Hope something positive happens during bye week!
Posted By: TONY Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 04:32 PM
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?
Hue listens to Dave Giuliani who is upstairs communicating with Hue on the field. I don't know who made the call but it was the wrong one! I was livid as usual. It is really stupid to complain about the Hue bashing!
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 05:17 PM
Good God!
Posted By: drobs Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 05:59 PM
I thought the run defense proved it was not a mirage. Taylor had a decent game outside and I really like Calhoun. He covers well and lays a hit. The defense has an attitude and is much improved from last season. Garrett met a very good OT. He played decently - he’s a rook and will grow.

Offense looked balanced until JT went out. I think that upset me more than the loss.

Kessler - man he’s a conundrum. He made some excellent throws. Why has he been inactive as he arguably looks like our best best? Kizer needs to sit. His first INT was to the 15 foot tall invisible guy between Higgins and Louis. He got fooled on the 2nd. I fear for his psyche getting yanked again but I actually think Hue will make it work. 0-6 and the players were fired up.

We need a go to receiver in the worst way. I also thought Crow had a good game. I think we win a game or 2 on the back on the defense. We are a couple of DBs away there IMHO.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:04 PM
Good post. I have been reluctant to praise the run defense, but they shut down a pretty damn good running team yesterday. I was impressed.

I actually thought the team played well yesterday. I saw progress.
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:08 PM


You want to expand on that comment?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:10 PM
Nope.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:10 PM
Originally Posted By: dawg66

It was 4th and 1 from our 32yd line, which means Tennessee's options were to go for it or kick a 49yd FG because punting did nothing for them. If Hue takes the penalty its 3rd and 16 from our 47yd line meaning if we stop them on 3rd down Tennessee's options are to punt or to try a 64 yd FG. The smart play would have been to take the penalty.

The smart play would have been for TEN to kick the 49FG, you know, with the guy that has made like 60 consecutive from within that range....
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:13 PM
That may have been but we're talking about Hue not Tennessee.
Posted By: drobs Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Good post. I have been reluctant to praise the run defense, but they shut down a pretty damn good running team yesterday. I was impressed.

I actually thought the team played well yesterday. I saw progress.


I think the defense is close to being good. We got pressure some of the time but we absolutely stuffed a potent running attack. I think we probably still need a sideline to sideline hybrid backer - Peppers maybe? I can’t fault the defense. They went toe to toe with a physical offense and won on points. JT avoids injury and we win I believe.

I want to see continuing progress and more if this smack ‘em in the mouth mentality on D. I think we’re still fragile to quick passing teams but it is what it is.

I’m optimistic next draft and maybe even a FA or 2 gets us to a corner.

Edit: I read a few posts being critical of Garrett and his lack of big plays. He made lots of good plays. He was a key part of a great run defense. Sacks are great but he didn’t get run at all day or lose contain for the most. He’s really very good.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:35 PM
I think we need a FS in the worst way. I also think we need to upgrade our corners.

We're improving and that is an encouraging sign.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:37 PM
Originally Posted By: dawg66
That may have been but we're talking about Hue not Tennessee.


Actually, the thread title is What I saw, not Critique Hue.

I get mentioning it, but man, some of you are harping on it over and over and over and ignoring everything else that went on.

Aren't there enough threads where you guys can criticize Hue?
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:41 PM
Quote:
Edit: I read a few posts being critical of Garrett and his lack of big plays. He made lots of good plays. He was a key part of a great run defense. Sacks are great but he didn’t get run at all day or lose contain for the most. He’s really very good.
I think unless he gets 2-3 sacks a game you will see that. Most people don't understand / watch the actual game, and realize that there is much more to pass rushing than just sack numbers. How many penalties does he draw, how many double teams does he draw, how many hurries does he have, how many qb knockdowns etc.

Bet your bum the offense is aware of where he is on EVERY....SINGLE....Play
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I think we need a FS in the worst way. I also think we need to upgrade our corners.

We're improving and that is an encouraging sign.
I agree, but I also would suggest that if we had a better OFFENSE our defense would be better in those places as well. Less time on the field, etc.

I don't want a DEF player picked anywhere near the first two rounds this next year IMO. All Offense.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 06:54 PM
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
against the JETS Hue put faith in the struggling offense to get two yards on a 4th and 2. . . .
Or you can say that he put faith in his def to stop a team on 4th.......see how that works?


No - because Hue stated (as I have read) that he thought they would KICK the FG. So that was his mindset. He was not trusting his D to stop a 4th and 1. And if that was the case ... would anyone rather choose to face 2 downs to get 16 yards or a single down to get 1 yard..... I think the smart choice would be to face 2 downs and 16 yards.

It wasn't that big of a decision you are right. It happened early in the game and there was plenty of opportunity to win the game and change momentum of the game throughout the rest of the plays. As I pointed out though - there seems to be a repeating pattern of such calls many games and we don't seem to come out on top of any of them. To me that's worth looking at and discussing.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:00 PM
Quote:
because Hue stated (as I have read) that he thought they would KICK the FG
AS DID ANYONE WHO WAS WATCHING THE GAME! lol.

It was not a bad call. If they would have kicked the FG, which they should have - it would not even be a discussion. sheesh, and as Vers pointed out, this is not the thread to voice your complaints about hue....there are plenty others. But you seem to not be able to NOT have the last word in - even when you have stated your point over and over and over again.....so ill will digress as the bigger poster, you are right the rest of the world is wrong, Hue is the worst coach to ever coach football because of this decision that did not effect a single thing.....
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:24 PM
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
because Hue stated (as I have read) that he thought they would KICK the FG
AS DID ANYONE WHO WAS WATCHING THE GAME! lol.

It was not a bad call. If they would have kicked the FG, which they should have - it would not even be a discussion. sheesh, and as Vers pointed out, this is not the thread to voice your complaints about hue....there are plenty others. But you seem to not be able to NOT have the last word in - even when you have stated your point over and over and over again.....so ill will digress as the bigger poster, you are right the rest of the world is wrong, Hue is the worst coach to ever coach football because of this decision that did not effect a single thing.....


Thats your idea of being the bigger poster? ... rofl ...

Aye aye aye ...

And just curious there menZa ...

U brought up the zillion in a row made UNDER 50 ... and i gotta say ... when your talking about 1 49 yarder ... that is a BS STAT AT BEST ... this is exactly the reason that STATS ARE FOR .....

I’d be curious to know how many he made between 45 - 50 out of that streak .... why u may ask ...

THATS RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT SITUATION ...

How many he made from 25, 30, 35 and 40 MEAN NOTHING when your talking about a 49 YARDER
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:24 PM
Originally Posted By: mgh888
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
against the JETS Hue put faith in the struggling offense to get two yards on a 4th and 2. . . .
Or you can say that he put faith in his def to stop a team on 4th.......see how that works?


No - because Hue stated (as I have read) that he thought they would KICK the FG. So that was his mindset. He was not trusting his D to stop a 4th and 1. And if that was the case ... would anyone rather choose to face 2 downs to get 16 yards or a single down to get 1 yard..... I think the smart choice would be to face 2 downs and 16 yards.

It wasn't that big of a decision you are right. It happened early in the game and there was plenty of opportunity to win the game and change momentum of the game throughout the rest of the plays. As I pointed out though - there seems to be a repeating pattern of such calls many games and we don't seem to come out on top of any of them. To me that's worth looking at and discussing.


What you saw is absolutely worth discussing. We see the game-day decisions that Hue keeps bungling. Then...when you think you've seen it all...he tops it off with declining that penalty. What you saw and what I saw was a HC that continues to be as irresponsible in his decision-making as is our rookie QB with throwing the football.

I saw a legit 3 point game - not like the other games that had a 3 point differential but truly legit - and I saw a HC concede 3 points...THEN saw the opposing team pass on the 3 point favor for a first down inside their opponents 30 yard line. That decision to decline the penalty is not defense-able. It's not. It was stupid and cute like a lot of others I've seen from Hue this year.

I saw a coach who needs to get better. I still don't want him fired...but he needs to admit his mistake and stop hurting his team with these stupid decisions.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:35 PM
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
But you seem to not be able to NOT have the last word in - even when you have stated your point over and over and over again.....


Ummmm .... how can I have the last word if you keep posting in response to and on the same topic?

And when you keep making points that I disagree with or are just plain wrong -- you expect me not to address those points?Sorry - I thought I was having a discussion on a talk board ... I thought the point was to interact and discuss.

And ... no-one (well not me) said Hue is the worst HC in the world or even close. But go ahead and post that stuff if it helps you .
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:40 PM
Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
because Hue stated (as I have read) that he thought they would KICK the FG
AS DID ANYONE WHO WAS WATCHING THE GAME! lol.

It was not a bad call. If they would have kicked the FG, which they should have - it would not even be a discussion. sheesh, and as Vers pointed out, this is not the thread to voice your complaints about hue....there are plenty others. But you seem to not be able to NOT have the last word in - even when you have stated your point over and over and over again.....so ill will digress as the bigger poster, you are right the rest of the world is wrong, Hue is the worst coach to ever coach football because of this decision that did not effect a single thing.....


Thats your idea of being the bigger poster? ... rofl ...

Aye aye aye ...

And just curious there menZa ...

U brought up the zillion in a row made UNDER 50 ... and i gotta say ... when your talking about 1 49 yarder ... that is a BS STAT AT BEST ... this is exactly the reason that STATS ARE FOR .....

I’d be curious to know how many he made between 45 - 50 out of that streak .... why u may ask ...

THATS RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT SITUATION ...

How many he made from 25, 30, 35 and 40 MEAN NOTHING when your talking about a 49 YARDER



this year from 40-49 he is 10-10 (he did a 46 yarder against us in the game too smile

actually from 40-49 in the last 3 years he is perfect as well and for his career he is 81%

they don't break those stats down any further than that.....but those stats are hard to argue with.
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:50 PM
Damm ... hes had 10 from over 40 all ready this year .. that seems like a boatload ...

much more RELEVANT stat ...

Wonder what he is from over 50 ...
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 07:55 PM
mgh...thought it would have been a 50+ attempt which Succup is not good at. Not a deal breaker but when I found out it was a 15 yard penalty thought odds were much better stopping 3rd n 16 than 4th n 1 also assuming it would be a tought decision on 4th n 7 if they made some yards. Result was a punt...even even on 4th n 1 punt was the decision not taken.
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:09 PM
j/c

I saw MG getting held (or hands to face) regularly with no call.

I didn't see Duke on the field in OT...after being a total stud on the game-tying 4th Qtr field goal drive.

I saw an OPI call in the 4th Qtr that was complete BS and that severely harmed a drive...on the play before an interception.

I saw Britt drop a terrific pass in OT that would have - at the very least - changed field position...if not lead to a win or tie.

I saw 4 penalties by our ST...and one came before one second came off the clock.

I saw one offensive delay of game penalty and saw one burned T.O. to avoid another delay of game penalty...in the seventh game of the year no less.

I saw receivers getting open. I saw receivers running long yardage routes when a stop, drop and turn around would result in easy chunk yardage...but the defense seemed to know where they were going.

I saw Crow commit a blocking penalty on a nice gainer for the second week in a row.

I saw another Browns backup QB make me wonder how he'd look with a week of 1st team reps.

I saw my team lose yet another game on a last second field goal while I was in the stadium.
Posted By: DaveyD Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:11 PM
Maybe Hue thought they still had the 5 yard facemask penalty rofl
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:11 PM
Succup over 50 is not good

I might have mistaken the yard on the field. If it was 32 yard line then I think Hue was 100% correct in his assumption they would attempt FG.

Vers dont get so worked up over it...just go with what you saw as that should give more to discuss. Usually no politics in what we see.

Did I see us utilize 2 TE to stop Orakpo n Drango one on one with DE as they overloaded that leftside.

This something we havent had to deal with in 10 freaking years...how will we handle this...time for the OL coach to earn some of that money.

Outside of that one sack near end of game Coleman was not that bad.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:12 PM
Question to anyone that will answer...

What happened on the field goal that occurred near/after the 2 minute warning? Did we call a timeout to ice the kicker, or no?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:16 PM
My understanding is the 2 minute warning came into effect.
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:19 PM
sorry dont remember but I thought we had made good usages of our timeouts throughout the game.
Just a general memory of timeouts.

Overall I thought the game was well coached and really obvious we lost this with the loss of Joe T and I cannotblame us for not being prepared for it...I guess Drango has taken the Joe T reps during the week??? Or was it the Banner kid who was inactive???
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 08:46 PM
arch and eo...

It was very very confusing to follow over internet radio. I had a couple strategically placed connection cutouts that made it seems like we tried to call a timeout to ice the kicker, but then it was determined that we didn't call a timeout, and it was the 2-minute warning that gave the Titans another chance to kick the field goal.
Posted By: jfanent Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 09:08 PM
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Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 09:15 PM
It was the 2 minute warning oooob ...

Idiots on tv screwed it up too ...

I was wondering myself ... rewound it ... it was the 2 minute warning ...

HE MISSED IT from 47 ... would have broke his streak ...

And it shows just HOW BAD OUR LUCK IS .....
Posted By: dawg66 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 09:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Originally Posted By: dawg66
That may have been but we're talking about Hue not Tennessee.


Actually, the thread title is What I saw, not Critique Hue.

I get mentioning it, but man, some of you are harping on it over and over and over and ignoring everything else that went on.

Aren't there enough threads where you guys can criticize Hue?



That's rich coming from you.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 09:26 PM
Confused us, too. Then we figured it was the warning. He missed and we thought Hue had iced it; then it was good. Hats off to some of the D.

Are we over the Kizer experiment for awhile? They all stink pretty regular. Kessler the Scorned might need to carry us for the remainder. Might as well use an Ouija board to pick the next one. Physically painful to watch. Maybe The Curse can't reach us in London.

Order a ton of Cheerio's or red meat for Drango, whatever JT eats, because he is no Joe Thomas.
Posted By: jfanent Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 09:38 PM
It looked to me like he knew the whistle blew and he just gave a Britt type half-arsed effort to check the wind or something.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 10:43 PM
Originally Posted By: KashDawg
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I'm pretty sure it was a 5 yard "illegal hands to the face" penalty, not a 15 yard face mask. Thats why I agreed with the decision.




Nope. It was 15 yarder we declined.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 11:43 PM
Oh, I see. They snapped the ball just after it hit the 2-minute...


That makes much more sense.
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 11:48 PM
Originally Posted By: jfanent
It looked to me like he knew the whistle blew and he just gave a Britt type half-arsed effort to check the wind or something.


That could be correct ... im gonna go rewatch and see what his reaction was ...

It hit 3/4’s of the way up the upright ... looked to me like he just hit it wrong ...

But who knows ...
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/23/17 11:50 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Oh, I see. They snapped the ball just after it hit the 2-minute...


That makes much more sense.


Ya .... exactly ... it was really really close ... but evident the ref blew it dead ...
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 12:15 AM
Originally Posted By: dawg66
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Originally Posted By: dawg66
That may have been but we're talking about Hue not Tennessee.


Actually, the thread title is What I saw, not Critique Hue.

I get mentioning it, but man, some of you are harping on it over and over and over and ignoring everything else that went on.

Aren't there enough threads where you guys can criticize Hue?



That's rich coming from you.


Good comeback.
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 01:34 PM
Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
It was the 2 minute warning oooob ...

Idiots on tv screwed it up too ...

I was wondering myself ... rewound it ... it was the 2 minute warning ...

HE MISSED IT from 47 ... would have broke his streak ...

And it shows just HOW BAD OUR LUCK IS .....



Ok now I remember...for the record I don't think he would have missed...Whistle blew all stopped he just stepped up anyway and took a warm up kick. Not a moment missed.
He nailed it right down the middle. I didn't think for a moment that it was a missed opportunity.

One other thing...Kessler's INT. for some reason I have stored in my memory as a Oh, ok so he threw a PUNT. Were we in the Red Zone odd I would come away with it as a punt if we were in Red Zone.

???
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 01:51 PM
J\C
The BROWNS did NOT score a touchdown ,did NOT win the game. they lost everygame this year and some say that they are making progress......how can anyone that claims that they know football say or think that .......what am I missing
Posted By: DiamDawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 01:56 PM
I’m re-watching the rest by tomorrow .. i’ll Let u know ...
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 02:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I think we need a FS in the worst way. I also think we need to upgrade our corners.

We're improving and that is an encouraging sign.

Derwin James, Florida State..
Posted By: rockyhilldawg Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 02:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Riley01
J\C
The BROWNS did NOT score a touchdown ,did NOT win the game. they lost everygame this year and some say that they are making progress......how can anyone that claims that they know football say or think that .......what am I missing


A question mark?
Posted By: bonefish Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 05:22 PM

I went to game. Only the second game I have seen in this stadium. Came from Reno with the intent of watching the Tribe in the ALCS.

Proud of the the people of Cleveland. Turning out to support their team. Not easy to support the product that has been on the field for way to many years.

That was my last game that I will attend live.

Observations: NFL football for me is no longer the game that I have loved. TV football is unwatchable live. Has to be recorded in order to watch because of the constant stop of play. Live there is more standing around than playing. There is more action at a high school game.

The Browns have descended into depths that are far from what the league has designed.

Kizer played ok till the picks. Hue was right to bench him. The message has to be you cant't turn the ball over.

Joe. The crowd showed their appreciation for a truly great player.

Hard to understand how the first pick of the draft is a situational player?

The offense appears incapable of a touchdown drive.

Football is supposed to be exciting. You pay a lot of money for entertainment. You go to cheer your team. All you need is something to cheer about. Not many plays, let alone wins to get excited about or cheer about from the Haslam product.

I want to cheer for the Browns. I have been a fan for sixty years. But the time has come for me to back off. I will no longer order the Direct TV package. Maybe go to game at a sports bar now and then.

I like the draft process and will follow that. Hopefully the Browns will add talent.

If the Browns become a competitive team again and entertaining to watch I will watch.

Until then I will just check the scores and hope for the best.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/24/17 10:59 PM
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I think we need a FS in the worst way. I also think we need to upgrade our corners.

We're improving and that is an encouraging sign.

Derwin James, Florida State..



I can't think of his name at the moment...the rook corner who got hurt in camp.

We have him back next year.

Last year was a really good corner class. I wish we had gone one pick deeper in to the pool. To me, when corners are there, you need to take them.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 12:42 AM
Thanks for the post. I feel ya, bro!
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 01:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Riley01
J\C
The BROWNS did NOT score a touchdown ,did NOT win the game. they lost everygame this year and some say that they are making progress......how can anyone that claims that they know football say or think that .......what am I missing


What you are missing is the progress with our Defense. We all know we are still searching for a QB and without one our O will be limited. But the D is giving positive hope for the future. It is still proven that Defenses win CHAMPIONSHIPS. That is where the progress is...btw what football do you know...and are you a Troll???
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 02:11 PM
So ,you think the BROWNS are progressing and I I think they are a major laughing stock of the NFL as millions of fans and most pretty good major sp0rts analysts think. Yet GOFF,TRIBISKY, WATSON, AND WENTZ were available for the taking and your progressing team took a forth round QB at best as their future QB. and they are still searching for a QB .

I'm sorry that I don't agree with your take on a 1 and 22 team is progressing, but if being called a troll is the price one has to pay for a
dissenting opinion so be it.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 02:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Riley01
So ,you think the BROWNS are progressing and I I think they are a major laughing stock of the NFL as millions of fans and most pretty good major sp0rts analysts think. Yet GOFF,TRIBISKY, WATSON, AND WENTZ were available for the taking and your progressing team took a forth round QB at best as their future QB. and they are still searching for a QB .

I'm sorry that I don't agree with your take on a 1 and 22 team is progressing, but if being called a troll is the price one has to pay for a
dissenting opinion so be it.
+1 for tabs troll comment, the def is head above heals better from two years ago under pettine/farmer.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 03:09 PM
Our D is better. We still need maybe 2 or 3 more pieces but it is improving. The D would be even better than it is if we had an O that could move the ball better and score.
Posted By: willitevachange Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 03:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Homewood Dog
Our D is better. We still need maybe 2 or 3 more pieces but it is improving. The D would be even better than it is if we had an O that could move the ball better and score.
our team was stripped down to the studs - which was needed - but you cant fix two sides of the ball in two drafts.

with the improvement in the Def I have seen, I am willing to see how this coming off season bodes for the offense.
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 05:16 PM
This is an opinion board and if giving my opinion as much as you and others disagree is trolling so be it.
Posted By: PastorMarc Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 05:22 PM
You will learn the ones that think they are smarter than the rest of us soon enough, but most of this board is pretty good, yes there are disagreements, but mostly things are good here ... thumbsup
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 07:31 PM
Man...I hope you are not referring to me cause I learned more about football than I could imagine from guys on this board like TAB,VERS and many others I couldn't hold a candle to them and their astute knowledge of the game but as a fan the disappointment that I endured with the BROWNS and just venting my frustration
Sorry to offend anyone
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 09:38 PM
Nah the troll bit is because of the way you post as if you well are a troll.

The fact is you lack the Browns knowledge like most here posess...ergo I think you are a Troll...example Kessler was a 3rd round pick not 4th. It was Kizer who there is most banking on for the future not Kessler.

I told you why I think they are progressing and you did not wish to discuss that at all instead a pissing contest...ergo you are a troll.

I cannot help what the NFL nation feels about my Browns as they are MY BROWNS the only football team I have ever loved and rooted for. I could care less who laughs as long as we do progress.

We never stripped the team to the bone before and build through the draft. It is One and a half years in their plan and I do like the progress. It is a shame that we have not been able to solve the QB position. I have expressed my dismay over the Wentz decision who I had liked and wanted on our team.

Its you presentation and not your opinion that makes you A TROLL...no price to pay. You are who you are!
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/25/17 11:12 PM
I may come across that way but not intentionally sorry.
Actually I was talking about KIZER being a fourth round pick at best but that's my opinion.
Also your right the DEE is progressing but long way to go
Were all passionate about the BROWNS maybe too much at times.

respect
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/26/17 01:15 AM
He's not a troll, tab. He's been posting in the Political forum for quite some time.

He has a unique writing style that might lead you to think he is a troll, but he isn't. His style is just different.
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/26/17 12:21 PM
j/c

I was re-watching the game yesterday and was shocked at what I saw from the game & play clock right before the game-losing field goal.

The game clock was at 2:43 when the play clock started from :40. At approx :36 left on the play clock, the play clock stopped counting down...for about 3 seconds. The play and game clocks were then close to being in synch (on the countdown to the two minute warning) but the play clock was a half tick ahead of the game clock...meaning they STILL had to run a play before the two minute warning. Then around the :11 mark, the play clock flipped to a second or so behind the game clock...meaning they could run down the clock(s) down to the two minute warning without running a play.

Now...that is the game & play clocks that we see on the TV screen and not necessarily the actual clocks in the stadium. I was at the game and do not specifically remember looking at the clocks...BUT...the reaction in the stadium was such that the play should be run before the two minute warning and there was an odd reaction when the ref blew the whistle. FWIW. What I mean here is that a large part of the crowd was confused that the whistle was blown seemingly because some people DID see the play clock (:40) start at 2:43.

At a minimum, there should/could have been a delay of game penalty...at the maximum, the missed FG should/could have stood.

If you have the game taped, watch that part. It's another one of those "only Browns" things.
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/26/17 01:21 PM
apologies Riley...I'm cautious of posters from other teams coming here to kick us while we are down.

Frustration doesn't always bring out the best of us and we are all frustrated right now.

Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/26/17 01:25 PM
Wow! 5 yard penalty would have been big cause he is almost perfect in under 50 yards and then not so good over 50 yards.

I don't understand the continuous screwing us by the refs almost every game there is something? How long can the Bottle throwing at the refs in the reviewing a play after we ran a play. Back in the day!
Posted By: Riley01 Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/26/17 06:19 PM
N.P.
I bleed orange and brown also just a little fed up with em lately
Posted By: eotab Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/27/17 01:04 PM
I'll never be FED UP per say with them. I hate losing I see us building through the draft, I like the foundation. I hate the fact we have not secured the Franchise prospect (yes, Kizer still has a shot) but other than that I like what we are building its such a shame the W's have not come to give some boost to moral and assurance that we are on the right track...sometimes that baffles me but then we come to that QB thingy.
jmho all good and thanks for posting.
Posted By: ddubia Re: What I saw game 7 - 10/28/17 06:33 AM
Originally Posted By: eotab
We never stripped the team to the bone before and build through the draft. It is One and a half years in their plan and I do like the progress.


This is the part most overlook. This is not like a typical "rebuild" in the manner that we and most every other team who has rebuilt has done. This is more like a restoration. Like taking daddy's old family car and stripping it down to bare metal and restoring it to what it used to be, Shinny and Fast.

It's not going to be done in 21 days. Counting only game days that's how long it's been. It's likely to take 32 days to make it look Shinny and Fast, at least enough to be competitive. Good enough to make it hard to predict the outcome of most games. That would be at the end of the 4th season. Shinny and Fast.

Of course, that will call for keeping the coaching regime and FO as they are now. There is room for some tweaking but too big of a change can wreck the whole thing, making it more like one of our past "rebuilds" that stutter mid-step.

Haslem's Browns took a huge gamble in tearing it down so far in order to start from scratch and build toward competitive. Of course they need more time. It's hard to believe that this early in the process so many fans are crying out for major changes in either the coaching or FO. It's not surprising. Vers called it way early on. Some argued with him. But it's the Browns fans way.

They've been fed, starting with Modell, a new coach bringing high hopes every two years that they become uncomfortable if the results aren't sudden. The high hopes never materialize because before they can it is stopped and restarted. The fans have been raised to not give a coach time to finish what he started.

They quickly yearn for the high hopes again. They're used to getting that every two years. They feel so much more comfortable living in high hopes than in watching the pain of work pay off.
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