Every time I think of the browns, I feel dead inside.

Kizer gave us the death blow.

But make no mistake. This L is on the defense.

When GB tied it up I knew it would be another loss. It's happened so much in the past as a Browns fan you just know it. 0-16 here we come.

Hue is such a bad coach that it makes me question the idea of him getting another season. This team is Pettine bad.

SSDD who cares only thing i have to look forward to is hue jumping in the lake

Wait a minute Swish, That means everyone's favorite coach = Gregg Williams would have to held responsible. Naw, we can't do that. How about Gregg Blitzing every down and then wondering why the D is tired. Or how GB was hitting those 5 yard completions DOWN THE FIELD. Did Gregg adjust = NOPE!

1-28 You can spin it anyway you want it's still 1-28 !!!

My only post game thought is the same one I've had pretty much all year.

Wake me when one of our drafted guys makes a play to help the Browns win.

Garrett is so disappointing. He has no impact on the game unless it's on a stunt. He's consistently blocked one on one. Loafed quite a bit today.

This guy was the first OVERALL pick in the draft.

Just doesn't seem fair.

We need to fire Hue and bring back Martin Edward Schottenheimer.

Petting was 7-9 his first year.

This is completely something else.

This game made it painfully obvious that our coaches cannot put together a full game.

Our players made mistakes, but for the most part, it was in difficult situations that other teams just don't put their players in. Then we moan that the players suck, and the cycle continues.

Hue Jackson and Gregg Williams need to go. I can't watch them do this to another group of young players next year. It shouldn't be taking Haslam this long to figure out where the problem is.

Jackson is now 9-35 as a head coach.

Look on Hue's face as he was taking off his gloves looked like he knew he was taking off Brown's gloves for the last time.






















I hope, anyway.

Browns being the Browns. I blame the uniforms. LOL

Had Hue not hired Greg we would have won.

Garrett was only good when Ogbah was on the other side.

He’s fell off the cliff ever since ogbah got hurt.

The secondary playing 10 yards off was god awful annoying. They nickel and dimed us the entire game.

McCourty got handled by Adams all day.

Njoku’s drop was a back breaker. That would’ve kept the clock running with the ball on offense.

Oh...guys, we missed FOUR FREAKING SACKS.

How does a defense miss on four different potential sacks. I just don’t get it.

This was definitely a GPODAWUND game

the team battled hard....

Pettine had 9 pro bowlers on that team. The team constantly gave up, was exhausted by the 3rd quarter, gave up a bunch of dumb turnovers, and couldn't tackle. Pettine wouldn't even sniff a W on this team. Hue's got no one, but has a lot of the same systemic problems.

This is the path the front office chose and Hue signed on to. Hue picked his staff and right or wrong it reflects on him.

I don't know if he can right this ship or not but I've had enough about youth. It's a young man's game
and there's many a young men playing it well. Nobody feels bad for Cleveland because they chose this path. It's a tough league and it's tougher for incompetent boobs.

I tried to watch Hue's presser but after the second time he said he'd need to watch the tape I almost put my fist through my laptop.

J/c
BS
Blame it on the ST's,that guy doesn't get that big return,different game.
Blame it on the TE,that has trouble catching.
Blame it on youth,blame it on Keyser,but you can't blame the coaches for this one.

TABOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

( I like Pettine.)

The 2017 Browns: somebody help me out, how many times did we lose to a 2nd string quarterback?

I think it's 0-3 now.
I'm sure Indianapolis, and Green Bay today, ... Minnesota?

Browns , we can't beat teams with backup Qb's this year, couldn't beat teams with injured Db's last, or 2 years ago.

-3rd and 2... run the ball.. Crow may not be Gurley or Zeke, but the man had a 100+ yard game.. put your faith in him, and give him a FB to run behind!

- Gregg Williams vs. Brett Hundley. I would think I would take Gregg, but no. We are up 14! and Hundley wins with routes all less than 5 yards (hitches, screens, short outs, slants)... yet we still playing our cover LB 10 yards back, and our safeties 25 yards back... cmon man.. And then you send 5/6 every damn play on short routes!! wth.

- Special Teams... wtf... Louis. You are gone! Tabor.. Gone!

How does tabor maintain his job.

What photos does he have in his possession, and on who!

Its a bitter bitter pill.

I am not gonna over react.

As a whole they played much better.

I feel encouraged.

They still are too inexperienced to get the W.

That will come with time.

This team played fairly well for three quarters. Obviously, they don't realize they need to play for 60 minutes.

Kiser played well enough till the very end when he threw what was a backyard football "pass" resulting in a pick. Rookies don't even do that.

Garret is only collecting a paycheck. He's the Kenny Britt of the defense. I suspect he's more motivated about dinosaurs than football.

Crow has the worst footwork for a runningback but he played a heckuva game.

Williams has no safties to work with and then insists on playing them 30 yards off the line.

Speaking of safties, Nacua needs his head examined. Bonehead penalty...

Bron Bron live tweeted at the end of the Browns game....

It's sad because he's not even a Browns fan.

I like that he cares though. It's showing a commitment to the city. Think it bodes well for next year.

I love the Cleveland Browns but man I don't know how much more I can take and these guys on here that say were stupid or ignorant for wanting a new HC explain to us why if he is such a great coach how can he not find a way to win more than 1 game in nearly 2 years, no other NFL coach has ever lost at such a high rate?

Because he is a good coach.

Why don't people understand he's been a part of 3 or 4 rebuilds and when depth begins to grow, there is a new regime change. Don't blame him. Blame Jimmy.

Just when his ST is top 10, a new regime come ins to play.

Weren't you listening this week?

No one has given him the players he needs.

It's not Hue's fault!

While most of the blame goes to this pitiful defensive scheme, Kizer blew this game with the pick at the half, that could have been 3 points, and then that pee wee league attempt in OT.

Every team does the same thing in the 4th quarter, and Williams can't stop it. prevent defense prevents you from winning.

1-28 that says it all ...

Shashi din't give him the players to win.

Hue is just unlucky that' s all. Just unlucky

When you are 0-13, it's time to take a hard look at the Runningbacks!

Mathew Dayes played a Bunch in week 1 vs the Steelers.

And nary an offensive down since.

Yet! Does Hue Jackson have any control over this?

Over getting Matthew Dayes onto the field, when he's out there returning punts, kicks, so he's obviously healthy.

I'd Think HUE has Every opportunity to put Dayes in?

I mean, if it ain't working, for 8-9-10 games in a row?

You can't make a change and try it?

Is Hue Jackson doing everything he can to figure out something?


Trying different options, mixing things up?

Hue blamed players, ST and defense for the loss.

today was the biggest turtle tap I recieved all year...

I think he let ego override common sense! This FO setup should have triggered a "No thanks" reply to the offer.
Not take it and then try to subvert it via social media.

He lowered himself IMO. I don't find myself in his corner like I had been since all this.

why would he do that?

When we took a knee with 17 seconds left i thought " Do 1-28 teams take a knee and leave time on the field?" Probably not. I had a bad feeling, as soon as I saw that move, the Browns would lose. How do you expect players to play 60 minutes when the coaches don't.

i actually agree with not trying to score.

17 seconds left with a rookie QB who's been cold the entire 4th quarter.

pressure situation, Kizer has not gotten it done. he could've easily thrown a pick in those 17 seconds, had the packers in good field position, and we wouldn't even had made it to OT.

I couldn't disagree more. When you're 0-12 with nothing to lose you at least try.

No guts no glory.

This is Shurmur bad.

Shurmur had more wins!

and if Hue didn't kneel and it gets pick off, yall would be calling it yet another coaching blunder.

with that situation playing out the way it then, that was the smart move.

this is expansion team bad... oh wait... how would that happen?

Less pressure in OT ...Oh yeah got picked off anyway.

Sounds like a QB problem, not a coaching decision one. Hue didn’t tell Kizer to walk backwards and throw a pass that looked like a blocked punt.

I'm not sure who "yall" is but I have actually been pro Hue the entire time. This however was just gutless, sorry. Worried about a pick? Chuck it deep downfield so if it's picked it's more or less like a punt. I'm so sick and tired of the Browns always playing it safe on all fronts. More so with the trade downs in the draft (sorry I keep beating that dead horse) Take some chances for crying out loud.

With 17 seconds left we would have probably been chucking it down field and if it was intercepted way down field the chances of the Packers driving down the field in a few seconds are slim. I hate coaches who play not to lose. I never will agree with that play call in that situation, particularly when you are 1-27 as a coach.

That’s fine. I disagree with your take. All good.

Another week. Another loss.

- Unsurprisingly, the ill-fated Browns blew a 14 pt 3rd quarter lead.

- Gregg Williams. Not impressed. His defense gives up a lot of points.

- McCourty had a bad game.

- Corey Coleman had a nice game.

- The shovel pass to Duke was a great play.

- Josh Gordon had 0 catches and only two targets in the second half

- No excuse for Nacua getting that penalty. Poor discipline.

- Njoku only had two targets all game. Dropped a crucial one.

- Crowell had a big run then inexplicably dove head first into the ground instead of taking on the tackler.

- Kizer outdid Weeden's flipper INT for most idiotic play for an INT. Inexcusable.

- Kindred missed two sacks.

- The Browns tried really, really hard........again.

- If it weren't for all the Packer fans, that stadium would have been nearly empty.

- It will have been more than two full years since the Browns won a game on a Sunday when they face the Ravens next week.

1-28 and three more still to go.

Hue apparently didn't tell him not to either.

At least Hue coached good.

Kizer is either a back up next year or he won't be here.

Pettine
Shurmer
Hue

What a brain trust.
It's amazing that this team has ANY fans at all...

I don't know where we were on the field, but I think it was the prudent call. Take a knee, take your chances in OT.

My guess is it's been drilled into his head and apparently it's going out the other side. Throw it away or tuck it away and see what comes next. An easy lesson that I think should be ingrained this far in if no other lesson has. He is a fighter and sure he feels bad but it's the NFL. Can't do that son.

the problem with Williams is he cannot play cornerback. and neither can anyone else on this team. we are so concerned with receivers beating us deep we play 8 yds off every play. that does not work well on 3rd and 5. we need three new starters in the defensive backfield. not sure how many rushing yards their hot shot rb got but it might have been 60 or so. we can stop the run but a high school team could pass on us.
pass rush is disappointing without ogbah. nassib played well.

Don't know how you can say that.

This was Kizer's best game. He keeps improving.

Despite the mistakes.

Everyone wanting to blame GW, not sure what they want him to do with PS players in secondary, missing ogbah, missing collins, Shelton , boddy-Calhoun. Defense is top ten while offense is dead last, not hard to see where the issue is

You're kidding right?

Minus the idiotic pass at the end of the game he as a severe lack of accuracy, inability to anticipate throws, unable to check off from the primary receiver let alone look off a safety.

This guy CLEARLY doesn't have it.

If we pass on Rosen or Darnold for this guy? I'm gonna drink myself to death.

That's very true,he's come a long way this season.
His problem seems to be crunch time,he panics.
If the coaches can get that worked out,he might be worth something.

The only one who doesn't get it is you. He had a stellar game. There was nothing wrong with his accuracy today. He did well. Just some rookie mistakes.

He is definitely getting better. The guy will be legit someday. Maybe the Browns won't give him that chance, because they are dumb, but someone will.

Perhaps I'm the only one who isn't blind.

Another loss under Hue Jackson.

When is this going to end? 4-50?

I'm not sure I can give Hue a pass because the O lacks talent and then blame the D for not playing great all the time.

Team was really in it, till they weren’t. Thought they had the win but Kizer managed to throw it away (again) after that horrible special teams play set it up...

It was nice to see our kicker not create and blunders like missing an extra point. I always hold
my breath.

Nice to see the Gordon TD. Team is clearly better with Gordon and Coleman on the active, healthy roster. How would the last 2 years have looked if these two had played every game?

Enjoyed that Duke Johnson TD.

Defense clearly missing the presence of Ogbah and Collins. I suspect not having Peppers didn’t help either. Gotta wonder if things may have been better had Haden been on the team too but ... that ship has sailed.

I guess overall I’m glad we have a new GM. Gives some hope
for next year. The Sashi Brown process may have worked eventually but the question is how many years would it have taken? Too painful to watch what tearing down the team has done. I don’t really judge Hue on the record. The roster last year was really a complete and total joke. This year it was slightly better but the QB play was just terrible and then injuries have piled up. The guy has made some mistakes, sure, but had he been given a normal “bad” roster I think we would have seen at least 4 wins. I’m totally OK with bringing back Hue next year. First off, if they can the guy, who will want to coach here when the Browns have such a loser culture and Jimmy never gives coaches more than 1-2 years. Just end up getting a second tier coach, total new rebuild, new systems, etc. Hue might be able to build something here. If anything the Browns might be able to have some stability at least by having a coach for a while. If the guy has have been given a decent roster, and ample time to implement his system and produces a 0-3 win season, then I think it’s time to have the discussion, but that simply isn’t the case.

Overall, we played better. Including Kizer. Though Kizer continues to reconfirm that we need a Qb.

We should have won but we blew it. Plan and simple.

Terrible tackling, especially on special teams. A completely different game if we make that tackle on the fake punt.

Terrible special teams play. Besides the above missed tackle, that long return that led to the tying TD cost us the game. How do we kick that down the middle of the field to such a dangerous kick returner? I can't keep track of the number of times post game that I ask how does Tabor still have a job.

Bad Qb play at exactly the wrong times cost us. We need a decent veteran QB next year, even if we draft a Qb with the #1 overall pick.
We definitely should be running the ball more than we do.

Penalties called on us the negate big plays. Not saying bad call, just that we those calls never get missed for us.
We need to clean these penalties up.

Penalties not called on us that would have transformed the game - the PI right before the half.
Not blaming the refs for the loss. We earned this all by ourselves. Just saying that it would be nice to a key call our way. Or bad call

Maybe , just maybe if he didn't make the exact same mistakes over and over again you would have a point . You can want him to be good all you want but the simple fact is he makes the same mistakes over and over again . Not sure why you aren't seeing what everyone else who watches the game sees .

I agree. Throwing it away or tucking it and taking a sack shouldn't be a skill you lack 13 games in.

I don't think the kid is dumb, I don't think he is a no talent QB and I admire his guts and fire. I can't figure out why nothing seems to have cemented in his mind by now.

I still have some hope for him but we need to draft the guy we deem the best.

A poorly disciplined team is a direct result of coaching and that comes from the top . Hue doesn't deserve another game let alone another season . Continuity is one thing but the man has proven he doesn't have what it takes to be the man . I hate coaching turnover but my God this man is awful . The worst in the history of the game and that is facts. That is a fact not hyperbole

On one hand, I see what Eve is saying. Kizer does enough good at times that make you want to see more. It's moot, however, because the Browns will draft a QB this year. So it doesn't really matter.

Eve, you can't use the adjective "stellar" to describe Kizer's game today after that last pass. In addition to not consistently getting past his first or second read, that last pass wiped out most of his good today.

Some of his good was very good, though.

I can use stellar because the 3 TDs are a vast improvement for him. Especially since the red zone has been his boogey man. And a couple dumb rookie mistakes don't erase it. For the most part today he looked very competent. It was just that his inexperience caught up with him at times.

Of course you can use any adjective you like.

But you're the only one on the planet that would use that one.

It will end after the mess Sashi created is cleaned up.

I’m sure it helps Kizer that he actually has receivers who get open now thanks to return of Gordon and not the garbage we saw earlier in the year... Think that probably Kizer will continue to get better the more he plays but it may never be good enough. If he starts another 36-48 Games, sure he must get more experienced and better unless he just gets ruined, which also can happen.

There is NO way the Browns are passing on a QB at #1. You can put EVERYTHING you own on that. QB is priority #1. Even Jimmy Haslam FINALLY understands that.

You mean the 12 draft picks five in the first two rounds and $100,000.000 in cap space?

Alms, Alms for the poor.

so tired of seeing penalties extend/end drives

Hue racks up another loss.


What is it? 1 and 28 or 29?


His mother can't be proud.

j/c:

Thanks to guys like Swish, Jester, and bird who tried to talk about the game and be objective.

I figure this post will get lost in all of the agenda stuff, but I will try and talk about the game:

--Kizer really looked sharp for most of the game. He made some very good pre-snap reads and he was accurate on most of his throws. I was very encouraged.

--I didn't really have a problem w/his pick at the end of the first half. He took a shot and it wasn't harmful. It wasn't a good read, but again, he took a shot that wasn't costly.

--The last pick was inexcusable. I was so ready to sing his praises and then...............What? I am not going to trash him because he played pretty damn good, but man, that was Weeden-esque.

--I forget his name.......the FS who took Peppers place. Is it Nakua? He started slow and made one of the dumbest penalties ever, but afterwards, he actually made a lot of good plays. Better than Peppers.

--I hate when we drop Schobert 10 yards deep on running formations. Gregg does some good things, but man, sometimes he confounds me w/his calls.

--Gordon's catch in the end zone was sweet.

--Corey Coleman had a very nice game. I have not been his biggest fan, but he made some plays. Good job.

--DeValve made two really good catches.

--Njoku [who I wrongly predicted might have a big game] dropped a pass that would have won us the game. That is how close this team is and it is indicative of how we have to be perfect. He has to make that catch. It was a very good throw.

--Coleman w/another hold.

--Overall, the OL played well. Zeitler has really improved and the center is becoming a force.

--I thought Hue did a great job w/his playcalling. The TD to Duke was a great design. He was constantly putting GB in bad positions.

--I do think he should have run Crow more and Duke less.

--Speaking of Crow.......I thought he was awesome. Now that Sashi is gone, we might be able to retain him.

--Kirksey had some really nice tackles.

--Myles disappointed me. I was his biggest advocate before he draft, but man, he has to make some plays down the stretch in games like this. Disappointing.

--McCourty had a very poor game.

--Kindred did some good things. He also missed some tackles that were costly.

--Who was the dude who missed the tackle on the fake punt? That was brutal.

--M. Jordan showed some good closing speed on some plays.

--I don't like doing this, but it seems like we weren't getting many calls. Sheesh!

--I think this team has potential and I was desperately hoping we would hold on. We need some success. That was a heartbreaking defeat in my eyes.

This was the ole classic ...

We managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory ...

Thats not easy to do ..

There was definitely two PI calls missed.

One with Gordon right there in the end zone. It was blatant PI but he got the Lebron James treatment.

The other PI wasn’t as obvious, as I think the sideline judge didn’t have the angle to see it. Again, against Gordon, Kizer dropped a dime that Gordon probably wasn’t expecting, but his right arm was hooked by the defender on the inside.

That’s a technique DBs use often so while it was a PI, at actual game speed it’s a good play.

The defense had a hard time playing consistently. We had the packers stopped on 3 different drives, only for a stupid penalty by us to keep the drive going.

Coleman has had a penalty in every game. I dunno what’s going on with him but it’s always a hold or a false start, and far too often it’s been BOTH in multiple games.

However, the OL as a whole was blowing up people in the run game. But I agree, this definitely wasn’t a game for duke to be running in between the tackles. This was a crow kind of game, and he delivered.

I like Williams a lot, but he way he plays the secondary is frustrating. Hundley struggles throwing 10 + yards down the field, yet for whatever reason, Gregg put our secondary in soft coverages, allowing hundley to nickel and dime us. Their running back ate us alive, and Adams was putting on a clinic against McCourty.

We missed Shelton, Ogbah, and Collins today so much. Kindred and Nassib missing sacks that could’ve changed and/or ended their chance to make a run really hurt us.

Nice post. All football!

Same here, I do like what Williams has done with the D but I really couldn't understand the final 2 plays in the red zone at the end of regulation. 4 down lineman and the back 7 actually playing on the goaline just blew my mind. Especially since I love Gregg's aggressive style, I just found this totally hypocritical of him. It really pissed me off to be honest. Done venting, thanks for listening.

Kizer play well today, with a few exceptions of course. He needs to stop staring down receivers, and stop the bad throws. His arm did get hit by matthews on that final int, but it was still a panic throw.

Haven't defensive coaches in Cleveland ever learn? Didn't 'the drive' not teach them anything? What the hell!!!! Giving an opposing team 5 yards a play will only get them to the end zone slower. Play the defense that was working all game long, morons!!

Please start fining players that commit stupid penalties. Our safety headbutted an opposing player right in front of a ref after a play.

I'm starting to think the leagle is going to show some bias against Gordon. How could they not call that first PI? Other than that, it looks like the other WRS are following Gordon's lead, and are actually making the difficult cates now too. They seemed to give up easily before.

Just some remarks on random comments in the past few posts.

Regarding Shobert's deep drops. Is that what Williams wants him to do or is he mis-reading the play?
About the prevent defense. Was that Williams' decision or did Hue tell him to play prevent ? Like Butch purportedly told Foge Fazio

Not trying to defend Williams. Actually when I had this post in my head, I thought one was for and one against him, then typing them out I realized it looks like I am defending him as both are scenarios to save face for Williams. But that isn't my intent. Just pointing out that there are multiple possible explanations. And yes, Shobert could be playing as instructed by Williams and yes Williams may have been the one who made the decision to go prevent.

My guess? Shobert is dropping as instructed. Seems to fit what Williams is trying to do. I wouldn't be surprised if the prevent was Hue's decision. Seems out of character for Williams.

No when Njoko dropped that pass I knew then. Nothing else after that would have happened.

I didn't see that play. I was listening to the game on the radio. How was the throw? How difficult of a catch was it on a scale from my sister would have caught it to Jerry Rice would have struggled to catch it?

I was the one who brought that up, Jest. It wasn't a "drop." It was where he lined up before the snap. Even Spielman commented on it.

Btw............forgot to mention............those two announcers were awesome. The main dude was very frank and knew our history. Spielman knows the game better than almost anyone. He rubs some people the wrong way because he is too frank in today's soccer mom world.

I know the guy from coaching. I never saw a player who could diagnose a play before the snap from the LBer position like Chris could. Those of you who love Bernie for his calls, should listen closely to Chris. The dude knows offenses and defenses better than anyone in the business.

The catch was in traffic. Beautiful throw. The catch was contested. Njoku kinda caught it, but dropped it on the way to the ground. He's a first round pick. Should have made the play, Game over if he does.

Yea. That was a straight up inexcusable drop.

Yep, it was a drop, no excuses.

Looked like Njoku had a lot of fun on those TD celebrations though.

Wished he cared about winning as much as the theatrics.

Wished he would make a play that would actually, you know, help the team win.

He's a rookie. He has potential. I ain't ragging on him too much. It's just that it's little plays like that cost us wins. Because seriously, if he catches it like it was called on the field.............the game was effectively over.

And we wouldn't be having all these Hue and Kizer suck posts.

I was so hoping we would win this game. It would have been a great start w/Dorsey upstairs. So freaking frustrating.


One other post-game comment that I forgot earlier: Did anyone else notice Haslam's expressions during the game. Dorsey was talking to him and eating on the first shot, and Jimmy looked like he wanted to puke. Dude looks like such a miserable piece of s.....

It's those little plays that win every game in this league. It defies odds that the Browns never make them.

You probably won't agree with this statement, but the Browns are a group of losers. From Haslam to Hue to Kizer to Garrett to the water boy.

Biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen.

Guess since you root for them, that makes you a loser too.

A stellar loser.

Thanks for the input about the Njoku pass.

Vers - For clarity: who looks like a miserable piece?
I think you mean Haslam but I don't want to assume.

Whatever kind of loser floats your boat. Since you're the captain.

Yeah, it was Haslam. Dorsey was talking to him and eating something......maybe a hot dawg...LOL...........Haslam doesn't even look at him and has the most miserable look on his face. They showed them again and Haslam looks miserable.

He might have just been cold, but man, he looked mean and surly.

Pretty sure, mean and surly is a good look for the team's owner.

And not passive and whatever, type of attitude.

I'll take it!

You're mad because I commented on your "stellar" Kizer comment earlier. So you called me a loser. I decided to have a little fun with it and tie the two together. You could have just let it drop. You got your dig in. Now you're doubling down and trying to insult me again.

LOL. This place is a lot of things, including entertaining.

His HC is 1-28 how else should he look?

Trying to ruin yet another thread?

Come on dude. I'm just here for digs and laughs.

Everyone knows I'm a Kizer homer.

Everyone knows you are a pessimist on all Cleveland teams.

I'm just having fun.

I don't have anything against you. I just like what they did today up until the losing part lol.

Its all good.

You just strike me as one of those sensitive types.

Seems like I was wrong.

Eve isn't sensitive. She is tougher than most of the "men" on here.

There's things in life to be sensitive about.

Football is not one of them.

Otherwise I would run screaming from the bar from all the smack talk every single week.lol

You don't think having your HC having a 1-28 record would be the reason "he looked mean and surly." ?

Why must you pick a fight on every thread? How insecure are you?

How does a player push an official and not get a flag or thrown out? It was first quarter when we got unsportsmanlike called against us on 3rd down. The packers receiver pushed the official with both hands!

This explains the suspensions or lack of suspensions very well.

Kizer looked like a completely different QB at times. He made some beautiful throws. The throw in OT was one of the worst a Browns' QB has made since 1999. It's up there with the Weeden flipper throw.

What was Hue Jackson thinking on that challenge? It ended up being inconsequential, but what was the thought process? It's third and one even if the pass is incomplete.

Having Josh Gordon back is so nice. He is so talented.

Corey Coleman is a real player, we just haven't been able to see it because he's been hurt.

I thought the run defense played pretty well considering Danny Shelton was out.

We blitz more than any other team in the league and we never get pressure (I say this every week).

CHUCK IT TO GORDON AT END OF HALF!
For chrissakes, whats gonna happen?
Picked off and Pack drive down the field in 10 seconds?
Where is the logic in that?
FRICKING 0-13!!!

All bad QBs have made beautiful throws.

good start for a expansion team he made us into...

yep.. top three defense... in points allowed.

We're either young and inexperienced and lack talent or we're not. That'd be across the board for me, not just the offense or defense. Not for Kizer and not for Garrett. It's a fact but it seems it's just a giant excuse being used now. I won't give Hue a pass using that reasoning and in the next sentence say Williams sucks. Can't hold Hue or Williams totally responsible if you want to roll with the young excuse.

It was...little plays matter...even though that was a big play at the time.

I'll give Kize credit. For the most part he did a good job. He still has to learn that taking a sack isn't always the worst thing, as evidenced by our last offensive play.

I can't suspend him. He's one of the untouchables.

Albeit a pretty banged up Defense.

And young and lacking talent. The offense blows and Hue gets that free pass so the D and Williams can surely use the same excuse. Right?

My thoughts? Well, John Dorsey will have the Money and the Draft Picks to Change almost everything about this team in April..

I'm just riding out the year waiting for next year.

Hue does not play QB, or make the bone headed plays.

Right now Kizer is China Boy, cracks under pressure.

j/c...

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but did anyone else notice that Hogan was the back-up to Kizer yesterday and Kessler was inactive?

A minor move, but interesting timing.

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Yeah, before the game, I saw Kessler was inactive. The timing was interesting.

McCourty - Sleeping on the first TD
Nacua - Stupid
Garrett - offside, every game
Kindred - missed tackles x 2 on the blitz
Coleman - holding at key times
Jordan - hands to the face
Refs - PI on Gordon in the end zone
Gordon - False start
Hue - Stupid challenge
S Teams - Punt return
Kiser - in OT

This is a snapshot of every game.

Brian Spoon
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#Browns DC Gregg Williams dialed up the blitz on 62% of Packers QB Brett Hundley’s dropbacks (highest rate in the league) but pressured him on just 22 percent.

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That's my attitue as well. I didn't like the Sashi deal, but I do like Dorsey. In the end I think we will be better.

I don't really like Hue as coach, but I do have to admit he lacks talent on the field, or leadership, or some combination. It's not going to kill me or anyone else to wait it out with him in to next season with a few more players he can lean on. Then we will see where it goes. Blowing up the coaching staff is harder on a team then is replacing 1 in the FO. That doesn't really impact the players ability to perform on the field.

Wow a lot of common sense on these posts. I am not sure that is allowed on this board!

his arm was hit causing the flutterball. He was a relatively inexperienced rookie qb desperate to make a first down and he panicked. Not the first time a rook qb has done that and it will not be the last.
did we target any wideouts besides Cory and josh? I do not remember any others being passed to. overall I thought deshone had a decent. If we had corners that could cover anyone we would have won easily.

Dorsey now has a worse win percentage than Sashi Brown. Fire him!

This was about as a "Team Loss" as you can get. I don't know why everyone has to search out for their personal scapegoats and lay all the blame at their feet, but the truth of the matter is that we're an extremely young team that can't afford to make mistakes ... yet we always seem to do it in spades.

Kizer played alright yesterday. He had the one bad pick at the end where he was trying to do too much, but the dude is a 21 year old kid that's going to make mistakes.

Here's some stats for you:
205 Att - 54.6 Comp% - 1089 Yards - 5 tds - 7 ints - 5.3 Yds/att - 63.6 Rating
373 Att - 53.9 Comp % - 2252 Yards - 9 tds - 17 ints - 6.0 Yds/att - 61.2 Rating
575 Att - 56.7 Comp % - 3739 Yards - 26 tds - 28 ints - 6.5 Yds/att - 71.2 Rating

Player A is Jared Goff, Player B is Kizer and Player C is Manning. Yes, Kizer has marginally worse stats than the other two, but you also have to consider two things: Manning and Goff were 22 their rookie seasons, while Kizer is 21. And second, Manning and Goff had Marshall Faulk and Todd Gurley running behind them to help take the pressure off. Manning had Marvin Harrison to throw at and Goff had a Kenny Britt playing for a contract.

We are so quick to bury our own players if they aren't All-Pros on Day One. Had we drafted Goff in 2016, we probably would of wrote him off as a bust by now.

Because retaining Hue means that the next season is to throw away. Hue has no wiggle room, so most probably he will be fired on the start of the next season when we are 0-4 or 1-5.

Firing Sachi meant the end of this project, anything that delays it is a waste of time.

Hue is a mediocre coach, he is going down in history has the worst coach of the Browns and most probably of the NFL history.

Time to close this sad, sad story.

And by the way Sachi deserved to be fired also, he should had fired Hue last season..

https://twitter.com/mgbode_WFNY/status/940216877594435584

We gave the Packers' receivers a huge cushion most of the game despite the fact that they threw nearly no deep passes.

Is it possible for a defense to be ultra conservative and hyper aggressive at the same time?

We blitzed a lot, so I get why you would back your corners off.

What concerns me is how often we blitz and how seldom we get there. We need some guys to start making sacks.

I was looking for this..

Now the way teams adjust to Cody Kessler aka short ball shorty, why the heck could we not adjust to Hundley???!!

I saw that too. It should have at least been offsetting penalties.

This was how we decided to lose yesterday.

What's crazy is that Hundley only completed only 1 pass of more than 10 yards in the air and he completed 35 passes. At some point, you would think Gregg Williams may try something new than continually give the 6-10 yard cushions.

To answer your other question, it appears so.

I hate the NFL. I watched three games yesterday, and the officials turned the tides in all of them. I don't care what others think, but to me it is evident that teams that are considered elite get away with so much.

I watched the Rams game and an identical hit to the one Peppers was fined for didn't even draw a flag. They were actually saying what a great play it was.

Juju from the Steelers lays out Burfict. It was a cheap shot as he went high. Meanwhile Gronk runs three yards after the play and dives full body and plants a forearm in the back of a guys neck laying facedown. Same punishment for both. Gronk should have been suspended for the rest of the season. He was intentionally trying to hurt the guy who probably was relaxed thinking the play was over. Juju made a high hit in the middle of the action. No similarity at all.

Watching Garrett getting damn near strangled play after play with no call, and the same officials call Coleman instantly. They are both holds, but only we are called for them, this happens weekly.

It isn't just Browns games, I see it constantly in all games. IMO, it is time for the league to allow challenges on these bad calls. The technology is there, use it. Maybe some consistency will finally be achieved.

I could gameplan for this defense and be successful. Every team we have played has used the same tactics to beat us. If someone needs fired, I go with Williams.

He like Hue doesn't have the players to win with.

Here's another head scratcher.....

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so it's 4th & 1. Packers are not a big play offense with Hundley. Browns have a safety behind McCourty, too. unsure why he's playing almost 10 yards off Cobb. this is an automatic 1st down


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JC...

We play that safety so deep, then we left the deep portion wide open on GBs first TD...

Ricardo Louis...Man can't wait for him to be gone...Does not sustain his downfield blocks, we know how bad his hands are...And he had multiple chances to make that tackle on that late punt return...yet tries to two hand touch him....I'd keep Higgins over him.

Nassib disappears way too much...did have a nice batted ball though

Kizer...played a lot better, some sharp throws...then some really dumb ones as well...but seemed to be cutting down on error, minus that huge blunder in OT.

If Duke Johnson had a little more speed...he'd be really dangerous...But plays well week in and out.

Julius Peppers is near 38 years old...and is better than anyone on our DL.

Garrett...When Hundley scrambled away for a 1st down in the 3rd quarter...Garrett was out hustled by DT Coley...Shame man, got out hustled by a fatty...Even though neither of them made the play...It just stood out to me...two things scared me about Myles Garret (Iffy motor, and health) Both are showing true...Though I wanted him the whole way at #1 overall.

Crow ran downhill and tough...which is nice

Njoku...Use your hands please


As iffy as Jabrill Peppers was playing...he's clearly better than what we put out ther yesterday....Horrible safety play.

What are we even doing?





https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/940136321766514689

Allowing short passes to happen with ease, and causing a big void of defenders if a back breaks the line of scrimmage. Too much bend, is giving the opponent to much break.

Single SUPER high safety, man coverage playing soft.... We're telling their offensive coordinator that we'll allow them to have first downs all day as long as their receivers can catch the ball.

It probably works fantastic in practices ...

j/c:

I don't like Gregg Williams all that much, but will you guys please stop pretending you know more about schemes than he does.

last game I heard the commentator state how far our safety was playing from the LOS ... that was the first I'd heard that narrative in a while

Had we moved away from that philosophy and returned to it, or did people just stop talking about it?

All that matters is that the opponent's play-caller knew/knows more about how to exploit schemes than does GW. That has been evident all year long. The proof is in the results.

Our "imposing" defense is a fraud. When other teams want something, they take it.

We are a poorly coached team in all three phases...hence the W/L record.

https://twitter.com/PFF_JohnKosko/status/940804732871901185

I mean the 24 draft picks he made plus multiple free agents signed that can't win a single game this year.

I think what you are seeing is a reflection of Williams lack of confidence in our corners’ ability to cover receivers. give him a couple of young aggressive corners next year and you will see a totally different plan. you will also see him bring the free safety back into the same zip code as the rest of the team.

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/941065981752782848

This team is so bad.

I understand not every team has a guy who can punt the ball 50+ yrds with pin point accuracy.

I understand not every team has a phenom return man.

But everything in between???? I don't think there's any other aspect of a football game that is any simpler than special teams. It shouldn't matter if these guys were too good in college to play ST's. ST's is basic football skills.

We had that punt defended. Ricardo Louis made a half-hearted attempt at a tackle. He reached and tried to grab him up high. Guy broke that pathetic attempt and was off to the races.

We will be a better team when guys like Louis are no longer w/us.

Same w/the fake punt. We had a guy in perfect position, but our guy whiffed on the tackle. I couldn't see his number and have asked twice if anyone else knows who it was. Haven't read any answers. I'll ask again.....does anyone know who missed the tackle on the fake punt?

I just watched a YouTube video on the fake punt. It was #28, who I believe is Darius Hillary, a DB.

So hard to read numbers with these uniforms.
Looking forward to getting them changed again.
They are horrible - not just the number issue.

Agreed. The orange on Brown is really hard to read. I'm okay w/the orange on white.

Yes, it was Hillary. He got juked by the stutter-step and face planted by the stiff arm.

Okay, probably an apples to oranges comparison here ... but when our high school team used to practice punt coverage, we would throw together a random team of volunteers to play the role of the return team, and half the time I would be the return guy. For whatever reason, it just seemed easier to return punts when the blocking wasn't set up.

I think part of it is that you aren't forcing yourself to go one side or the other (whichever side the blocking is set-up for), so you have the entire field to work with. And a good portion of it is that you can see the opponents coming at you a lot better and can make better decisions on where the holes will be. But I think the biggest reason is that once you get past that initial tackler or two and start getting up-field, you run into a bunch of trailing teammates that can throw blocks for you.

I remember one time I took a punt, quickly side-stepped the first two tacklers and took it right up the middle for a would-be touchdown. The first two guys that missed left a gap in the middle, and once I hit that hole the guys coming back to block scraped off all the other cover guys trying to play catch-up. The coach blew the play dead before I could cross the 50 though and completely laid into the starters.

Returnus interruptus. Classic. "I coulda scored! Honest!"

Nice memory that.

Need to see the film on that one.