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#1707678 - 12/16/19 03:26 PM Re: Post game. [Re: FATE]
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Originally Posted By: FATE
JC

Right now we have one player that goes out and plays "inspired football" - Nick Chubb. There are certain cliches that always hold true in this game... if you don't have a group of players that go out and face their individual opponent like they "stole their lunch money", you don't win football games.

Yesterday, for the first time, I actually watched players going through the motions. They are beaten. They don't have confidence in their coaches, they don't have confidence in their QB, there are no real "team leaders" and there is no "will to win". It's sad - and it's hard to watch.


I think you can put Hunt and Landry on that list. Baker is trying
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#1707681 - 12/16/19 03:29 PM Re: Post game. [Re: BADdog]
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#1707685 - 12/16/19 03:31 PM Re: Post game. [Re: MemphisBrownie]
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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
From our good friend, Mike Silver.



It should have never been allowed to come to this. Freddie has butchered this team.

Higgins again receives no snaps.

I was reluctant to jump on the fire Freddie bandwagon, but the damage that he has done to this roster is inexcusable.
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#1707699 - 12/16/19 04:06 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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Freddie's weekly fireable play call...




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#1707722 - 12/16/19 05:37 PM Re: Post game. [Re: MemphisBrownie]
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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
From our good friend, Mike Silver.



I hope this isn't true. Does it make much sense? Why would anyone want to go the Cardinals?

Stuff like this makes me think Baker has been emasculated. He may never recover. He's gone from being an alpha male and revered to no one wanting to play with him anymore.

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#1707726 - 12/16/19 05:42 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
From our good friend, Mike Silver.



I hope this isn't true. Does it make much sense? Why would anyone want to go the Cardinals?

Stuff like this makes me think Baker has been emasculated. He may never recover. He's gone from being an alpha male and revered to no one wanting to play with him anymore.


I see it as an indictment against Freddie ... not Baker.
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#1707734 - 12/16/19 06:21 PM Re: Post game. [Re: FL_Dawg]
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Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
From our good friend, Mike Silver.



I hope this isn't true. Does it make much sense? Why would anyone want to go the Cardinals?

Stuff like this makes me think Baker has been emasculated. He may never recover. He's gone from being an alpha male and revered to no one wanting to play with him anymore.


I see it as an indictment against Freddie ... not Baker.

Nope. It's Baker. Read it again, it's obvious no one wants to play with Baker.
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#1707737 - 12/16/19 06:36 PM Re: Post game. [Re: FL_Dawg]
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Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
[quote=MemphisBrownie]From our good friend, Mike Silver.



Its Mike Silver guys, he is a joke superconfused
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#1707745 - 12/16/19 07:42 PM Re: Post game. [Re: SuperBrown]
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Iíve watched this over and over. I donít think, at least in this GIF, that the pass back to Baker was a called play . I watched the line and it looks like it was just a shovel pass where Landry follows Bitonio as a running back would. The Cards just blew up the play. I think the toss back to Baker was just a desperation attempt to get anything from a broken play.

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#1707753 - 12/16/19 08:56 PM Re: Post game. [Re: SuperBrown]
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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
I am ok with this loss.

Because it helps get us a new EXPERIENCED coaching staff.

That and I met a new guy at the bar. Well not so new, he is part of our regulars crew.

But super nice and sweet.
And football fanatic.
And lives nearby.
And a good job.
And he likes me.
And he is my age.

So fingers crossed.





Turns out he's separated. If one more separated man hits on me I swear I will lose my [censored] and commit a murder. flamingmad I despise separated men so much. flamingmad
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#1707755 - 12/16/19 09:07 PM Re: Post game. [Re: PastorMarc]
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Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
[quote=MemphisBrownie]From our good friend, Mike Silver.



Its Mike Silver guys, he is a joke superconfused


Exactly. Silver is the same clown that earlier this year reported that Baker refused to shake hands with Richard Sherman.

I saw it was Silver and immediately dismissed it. The Cardinals? Really?

Silver went fishing for clicks and got them.

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#1707756 - 12/16/19 09:09 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Hamfist]
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Oh, there's no way I think it was a designed play.

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#1707761 - 12/16/19 09:28 PM Re: Post game. [Re: EveDawg]
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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Turns out he's separated. If one more separated man hits on me I swear I will lose my [censored] and commit a murder. flamingmad I despise separated men so much. flamingmad


At least you found out early.

I'm available and not separated by the way... rofl

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#1707767 - 12/16/19 09:48 PM Re: Post game. [Re: FATE]
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Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
From our good friend, Mike Silver.



I hope this isn't true. Does it make much sense? Why would anyone want to go the Cardinals?

Stuff like this makes me think Baker has been emasculated. He may never recover. He's gone from being an alpha male and revered to no one wanting to play with him anymore.


I see it as an indictment against Freddie ... not Baker.

Nope. It's Baker. Read it again, it's obvious no one wants to play with Baker.



Your inference from this quote is ridiculous, LOL.

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#1707768 - 12/16/19 09:52 PM Re: Post game. [Re: SuperBrown]
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Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Turns out he's separated. If one more separated man hits on me I swear I will lose my [censored] and commit a murder. flamingmad I despise separated men so much. flamingmad


At least you found out early.

I'm available and not separated by the way... rofl


Men are like buses.
If you miss one, another one will be along shortly.

Men are like buses.
They are always trying to pick everybody up.

lol. There's more men at the bar. I'm already over it. wink
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#1707789 - 12/16/19 11:10 PM Re: Post game. [Re: EveDawg]
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Originally Posted By: EveDawg


Men are like buses.
If you miss one, another one will be along shortly.

Men are like buses.
They are always trying to pick everybody up.

lol. There's more men at the bar. I'm already over it. wink


That is hilarious Eve rofl

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#1707829 - 12/17/19 08:50 AM Re: Post game. [Re: Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Dave
Besides the poor clock management, there are consistent head scratchers in play calling. Two plays yesterday put my blood pressure to the ceiling: the obligatory/weekly shovel pass on 3rd and 2, and the play that schemed for Demetrius Harris to block the Cardinals' sack leader, Chandler Jones, one-on-one. Mayfield got obliterated on that play. I was actually surprised he got up after that hit. Greg Robinson and Demetrius Harris together *might* have a chance against Chandler Jones. Harris alone had no chance. Just like last week against the Bengals when "somebody" thought it was a good idea to isolate TE Stephen Carlson in pass protection against Carlos Dunlap. Carlson whiffed, much like Harris did yesterday, and Baker took a huge hit then too.

The point is there comes a time when you say "this isn't working" and you stop doing it. But Freddie never seems to reach that point. He is either stubborn to a fault, or just stupid, and I don't think he's stupid. But we're entering the week of the 15th game, and I don't see any improvement or growth.


I enjoy your reading your posts and normally agree with your take on things,but this time you are putting the blame on the wrong person.
The Cards did a d-line shift before the snap putting Jones one on one with the TE.the QB,Mr.Numbnuts,either didn't see it or didn't realize what it meant,so he did nothing.
When he got blasted,I said "good maybe that will knock some sense into you".
After recognizing who I was talking to,I then said "too bad he didn't break your F'n neck"
When the QB is football illiterate,and lacks the necessary tools to get the team out of bad plays,the play calling will look horrendous.
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#1707834 - 12/17/19 08:53 AM Re: Post game. [Re: BCbrownie]
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Quote:
After recognizing who I was talking to,I then said "too bad he didn't break your F'n neck"
wow, your a disgusting human being, huh?

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#1707837 - 12/17/19 08:55 AM Re: Post game. [Re: BCbrownie]
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If you watch, Harris did a quick block and release and was looking for the ball as baker was getting sacked. I believe either there was a breakdown on Harris part as he thought he was supposed to release get a dump off (as baker wasn't even looking his way) or baker didn't know the play.

I would say that Harris was in the wrong, as baker is the one who called the play in the huddle. Just my .02

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#1707844 - 12/17/19 09:03 AM Re: Post game. [Re: willitevachange]
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No,I'm a well rounded individual that lacks the patience to handle stupid people,especially QB's.
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#1707848 - 12/17/19 09:06 AM Re: Post game. [Re: BCbrownie]
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No,I'm a well rounded individual that lacks the patience to handle stupid people,especially QB's.
I would stay away from a mirror then.

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#1707857 - 12/17/19 09:26 AM Re: Post game. [Re: willitevachange]
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Oh my,I must have struck a nerve.
It would seem that neither you nor your hero,QB Numbnuts,can handle criticism.
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#1707860 - 12/17/19 09:30 AM Re: Post game. [Re: BCbrownie]
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Oh my,I must have struck a nerve.
It would seem that neither you nor your hero,QB Numbnuts,can handle criticism.
Yeah, saying you hope someone breaks their neck is criticism. . . . . notallthere

Bash his play all you want, hoping someone risk being paralyzed or death over a damn game is disgusting, and frankly pathetic.

Your not worth any more responses.

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#1707862 - 12/17/19 09:30 AM Re: Post game. [Re: SuperBrown]
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And Hunt was wide open after Baker got the ball. He had time to get it to him but never even looked. I saw it live and the video confirms. He just ran into tacklers.
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#1707863 - 12/17/19 09:35 AM Re: Post game. [Re: AlwaysABrownsFan]
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And Hunt was wide open after Baker got the ball. He had time to get it to him but never even looked. I saw it live and the video confirms. He just ran into tacklers.

Would not have mattered if every eligible receiver was wide open - can't make two forward passes on one play.
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#1707898 - 12/17/19 10:42 AM Re: Post game. [Re: BCbrownie]
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If you watch the video below, you see a DT lined up in the gap between Bitonio and Robinson, while Chandler Jones was in a stand up position out wide over TE Harris. The guy over Bitonio and Robinson did not need to be double teamed, especially when their best pass rusher was isolated on a TE. Whether Mayfield or Robinson or somebody should have recognized it wasn't really my point. My point was that the same thing happened the week before with TE Stephen Carlson getting the dubious assignment to "block" Carlos Dunlap, which resulted in Mayfield taking a big hit just as he was releasing the ball. Someone (HC? OC?) needed to make a note of that and see to it that we didn't scheme ourselves into that same situation without a plan to mitigate it.

https://www.azcardinals.com/video/chandler-jones-soars-to-take-down-baker-mayfield-cardinals-browns

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#1707947 - 12/17/19 12:11 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Dave]
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If you watch the video below, you see a DT lined up in the gap between Bitonio and Robinson, while Chandler Jones was in a stand up position out wide over TE Harris. The guy over Bitonio and Robinson did not need to be double teamed, especially when their best pass rusher was isolated on a TE. Whether Mayfield or Robinson or somebody should have recognized it wasn't really my point. My point was that the same thing happened the week before with TE Stephen Carlson getting the dubious assignment to "block" Carlos Dunlap, which resulted in Mayfield taking a big hit just as he was releasing the ball. Someone (HC? OC?) needed to make a note of that and see to it that we didn't scheme ourselves into that same situation without a plan to mitigate it.

https://www.azcardinals.com/video/chandler-jones-soars-to-take-down-baker-mayfield-cardinals-browns


The plan to mitigate it is to get the ball out quick. Landry is the only pass catcher on the field that Baker really trusts. Landry tried to do a stupid spin move and fell over. When your intended target is on the ground and you have to get the ball out quick, bad things happen.

I'm pretty sure Landry eating turf wasn't in the play design.

It's stupid stuff like that all the time that's practically impossible to predict. I don't know if it is players trying to do too much or what.

Maybe Gregg Williams limiting Myles to 2 moves makes sense in that context. Trying to do too much and ending up on his rump wasn't really a concern.
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#1707951 - 12/17/19 12:15 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Dave]
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The lack of the play caller and the line coach being on the same page goes way back into the Hue Administration . The lack of quality will effect your TE play over and over again.
Trying to get them out in a pass pattern when you need the extra blocker is how you rune a QB.

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