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I thought N95's made a seal around your face, which is how they give the benefit of protecting the wearer. I've never worn one, so I'm just parroting a couple 'N95-for-dummies' type articles that are out there (so FWIW).

While wearing one isn't rocket science, the fact we still see a a whole lot of surgical masks with exposed noses tells me that putting a bunch of N95's out there probably wouldn't help much.


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100% of coaching staff is vaccinated


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Good for the Browns, nice to see the majority being responsible.

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Peer pressure in the old days. JMHO, if the NFL league statement that teams not playing games because of covid breakouts- team loses game AND MORE IMPORTANTLY- million dollar a game players not getting PAID for BOTH teams- WOW, that sure puts pressure on every player. These guys aren't bagging groceries, they make more money in couple of game than I've ever made. Money talks, they are really dumb NOT to be vaccinated. Go Browns!!!!


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Over 610,000 Americans have died of Covid-19 and that number is going up every day. Being vaccinated while continuing to take precautions is the smart thing to do. I was glad to hear 90% of the Browns players are vaccinated, but I wonder what the other 10% are waiting on? If just one of them brings the Delta variant into the facility it could cost the team dearly.


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Oh great... I just heard a covid specialist doctor say the 10 day period was for the original strain and that the delta variant requires 18 days. Eventtually the NFL will pick that up I bet.

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JMHO, people expect the docs to know everything and do the exact right thing ever time....duh!!! They are human and make mistakes, this virus and its variants are still teaching everyone new things daily. Did you see the NC hospital workers refusing the shot....stupidity rules, we are just human. Hope for best, plan for the worst. Thank God we have Ski as coach, imagine Kitchens running the show- not. Pray for good things, Go Browns!!!


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The NFL is doing a great job compared to the general population.
9/10 is an A in today's grading. A use to require a 94 percentage. Wish the general population was smarter about everything, especially covid....GO Browns!!!


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Amid Delta variant and with almost 50% of NFL positive COVID-19 tests among vaccinated players and staff, union calls for daily testing for all

Updated Aug 04, 2021; Posted Aug 04, 2021
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

BEREA, Ohio — In light of the surging Delta variant and the fact that almost 50% of positive COVID-19 tests in the NFL occurred among vaccinated players and staff in the first week of training camp, the NFLPA will recommend to the NFL daily testing of vaccinated players and staff, same as for the unvaccinated, according to a memo obtained by cleveland.com.

Currently, vaccinated players and staff only have to be covid tested every two weeks.

In addition, the NFLPA is recommending reducing the number of tiered staff allowed into the locker room.

The memo states that although vaccines have shown a greater than 80% effectiveness against all variants, “vaccinated people can both contract and spread the Delta variant.’’

The union emphasizes that “based on the guidance of our medical experts and what we know about this new variant, this is the best defense we have to prevent infections and protect you and your families, while also executing a full season. We will recommend BRL PCR testing for vaccinated staff and players each day you/they enter the facility, the goal of which is to detect positive cases quickly and prevent the spread of the virus.

“You will not have to wait for a test result and we will NOT recommend testing on your off days or bye week.’’

It states that “based on our experience from last year, the number of positive tests in the first week of training camp (data below) is cause for concern.’’

The memo says that “we have tested 2,528 players and 4,549 staff since training camps began (July 25th-August 1st) and have had more than 65 positive cases. 32 of these cases are among vaccinated individuals (again, while vaccines lower the risk of infection, they do not prevent infection; they are proven to prevent serious illness and death).’'

Browns linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is one of the unvaccinated players who tested positive and was activated off COVID-19 reserve on Tuesday. He said he remained asymptomatic throughout his 10-day quarantine.

“These ‘breakthrough’ cases are consistent with what our COVID Taskforce and the CDC have learned about the Delta variant in recent weeks, This Delta variant is NEW and is 50% more contagious than the original strain of the coronavirus.

“Individuals infected with Delta can also spread the virus to more people, spreading it to 5-9 people as opposed to the 2-3 with the original virus.’’

The memo adds that “we have had two outbreaks inside club facilities (Atlanta and Miami) in the first week of training camp this year when we had no team facility transmission until week 3 last year. We have consistently stated that football will go the way of our communities, and multiple cities and states are experiencing record surges in infections and hospitalizations due to the Delta variant.’’

The union makes it clear that it had to pivot throughout last season to adjust to the changing COVID-19 landscape.

“Last year, our NFLPA COVID Taskforce, staff and player leadership worked together to recommend a game plan for how we would play a full season while also keeping everyone as safe as possible,’’ it read. “We had to adjust that plan throughout the year given what we learned about the virus, and we achieved our goals thanks to your flexibility, understanding and dedication to the protocols.’’


https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/08...ng-for-all.html


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As nice a guy JOK is...and talented, I hope the Browns isolate him if he isn't vaccinated. Life is a team sport, I don't want him infecting other Browns, we need daily testing and keep players as safe as possible.


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If he's already had Covid and is no longer contagious, he's safer to be around than anyone else, including those who have been vaccinated.


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Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/...-infection.html


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I think common sense prevails in the case of JOK. He just had Covid, he's no longer contagious. It's just sheer fear that would lead someone to assume that he's more of a danger to get Covid again (this quickly) and pass it on to others at a higher rate than any other player... particularly considering that 32 of the 64 recent infections are among players that are fully vaccinated.

And let's be honest, even "science" has become a lot of "he said, she said" lately. Is my source better than your source? Nobody really knows... This is a very recent article on Reuters talking about the possibilities and efficacy of "booster shots".

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Among fully vaccinated people who never had COVID-19, getting a third dose of an mRNA vaccine from Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech or Moderna (MRNA.O) would likely increase levels of antibodies, but not antibodies that are better able to neutralize new virus variants, Rockefeller University researchers reported on Thursday on bioRxiv ahead of peer review. They note that in COVID-19 survivors, the immune system's antibodies evolve during the first year, becoming more potent and better able to resist new variants. In 32 volunteers who never had COVID-19, they found that antibodies induced by mRNA vaccines did evolve between the first and second shots. But five months later, vaccine-induced antibodies were "equivalent" to those seen after the second dose, with "little measurable improvement" in the antibodies' ability to neutralize a broad variety of new variants, said coauthor Michel Nussenzweig. Therefore, he said, giving those individuals a third dose of the same vaccine would likely result in higher levels of antibodies that remain less effective against variants. "At the moment, the vaccine remains protective against serious infection," Nussenzweig said. "Should we learn that efficacy is indeed waning for serious infection, which is not really the case to date," then a booster dose of "whatever is available" might become appropriate, he added. Should an updated vaccine become available that protects against specific variants, "then that would be the choice."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...ine-2021-08-02/


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If I already had Covid-19 and recovered do I still need to get vaccinated with a Covid-19 vaccine?

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected.

If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A.

Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

You go with the authors of a report based on 32 people, I'll go with the CDC.

I do certainly agree with you that it's an odd thing to think JOK would become infected again this soon after having Covid.


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So, in other words, "yes, because we don't know why".

Science is largely based on hypothesis, that's why 95% of these stories are based on a scientists or health officials "best guess".

You know what doesn't lie? MATH.

There have been 201M Covid cases worldwide. Do you know how many documented reinfections there have been? 169. It would be foolish to even extrapolate the percentage there. Even if you take worldwide suspected reinfections, the percentage is .0004. And that percentage has been going down while cases continue to go up. The most extensive study in the world has been going on since last August in the Netherlands. 8278 participants, 1.4% reinfection rate... among healthcare workers... individuals who are around Covid every day of their lives and tested every two weeks.

Furthermore, most reinfections are in nursing homes, among healthcare workers, or among people with compromised immunity.

I guess you can take the "well, what harm could it do" approach. That's fine... and that's also why most health officials are saying to go ahead and get the vaccine even if you've had Covid... because the vaccine has shown to be relatively safe.

Bottom line: The odds of getting reinfected with Covid are much, much lower than Covid penetrating the vaccine wall. FACT.


https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84


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Which basically reinforces everything I said and even points to the same site I posted a link for. That website also documents all suspected cases... which, again, points to a reinfection rate of .0004 (that's assuming ALL suspected cases are actual reinfections).

So, while there are reasons why all theses cases can't be documented as "confirmed", even the inflated suspected cases are very rare. Basically, no matter how you want to extrapolate numbers, even basing them on "guessing"... reinfection is very rare.

Meanwhile, 50% of the recent cases in the NFL are among players that were fully vaccinated.

We can't keep pushing data that vilifies a certain set of people with numbers that do absolutely nothing to support a case for it (oh, wait, we CAN... we can and we will).


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Data is only as good as what is being reported. If you had recovered from Covid and got it again, yet were A syptomatic, would you be going in for a Covid test? No, you wouldn't even know you had it again. What about mild symptoms? Probably not. You certainly wouldn't think it was Covid related.

So there is absolutely no way to gauge, even close to how many people have been reinfected. Without a second test it will never be recorded. And as the article I posted shows, even then many states aren't able to actually gauge it among those who have been tested twice.

It's also why actual cases of Covid are undereported. Many weren't sick enough to even get tested. So despite your assertion based on what you call "facts", it's obvious they have no idea.


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One thing that article does not tell us. When were the players vaccinated? A lot of NFL players have been gotten their shots recently so I wonder how many got covid within two weeks of receiving their second dose?


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JMHO, I'm living in a retirement community in FL. We had dance at clubhouse- large number of breakouts of covid with vaccinated. we aren't having anymore dances. Your 169 is from WHEN and who's counting. Math does lie. Better safe than sorry.
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LMAO. Which points directly back to my second link. Healthcare workers that are around Covid everyday and tested every two weeks regardless of symptoms... The largest organized and longest running Covid study on the planet. They were reinfected at a rate of 1.4%.

Never mind though, it's easier to just say you're right and move on, this is an NFL thread anyway.


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JMHO, I'm living in a retirement community in FL. We had dance at clubhouse- large number of breakouts of covid with vaccinated. we aren't having anymore dances. Your 169 is from WHEN and who's counting. Math does lie. Better safe than sorry.
Sure hope we have a football season....GO Browns!!!

The "169" is from the defecto site for tracking reinfection... even Pitt's post pointed directly to it.

It's updated every week. And yes, "better safe than sorry" is the best definition for the "science" being used to tell the previously infected they need to be vaccinated. wink


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LMAO. Which points directly back to my second link. Healthcare workers that are around Covid everyday and tested every two weeks regardless of symptoms... The largest organized and longest running Covid study on the planet. They were reinfected at a rate of 1.4%.

Never mind though, it's easier to just say you're right and move on, this is an NFL thread anyway.



As a healthcare worker I’m curious about that number. I’ve had peers catch COVID. Primarily their vectors were those within their home. A spouse or child. At work we’re all required to wear KN95 or N95 masks. Lessening both my likelihood of work related initial, and subsequent reinfection. So while there’s a 1.4% reinfection rate I wonder how that extrapolates out to say a grocery store worker that doesn’t wear as good of protection in their work place.?

Like legitimately I’ve been around COVID hundreds of times at work since this all started. Always with proper PPE. If I were a grocery clerk I’d have gotten sick for sure with similar exposure numbers.

Just thinking out loud.


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LMAO. Which points directly back to my second link. Healthcare workers that are around Covid everyday and tested every two weeks regardless of symptoms... The largest organized and longest running Covid study on the planet. They were reinfected at a rate of 1.4%.

Never mind though, it's easier to just say you're right and move on, this is an NFL thread anyway.




As a healthcare worker I’m curious about that number. I’ve had peers catch COVID. Primarily their vectors were those within their home. A spouse or child. At work we’re all required to wear KN95 or N95 masks. Lessening both my likelihood of work related initial, and subsequent reinfection. So while there’s a 1.4% reinfection rate I wonder how that extrapolates out to say a grocery store worker that doesn’t wear as good of protection in their work place.?

Like legitimately I’ve been around COVID hundreds of times at work since this all started. Always with proper PPE. If I were a grocery clerk I’d have gotten sick for sure with similar exposure numbers.

Just thinking out loud.

Man. Tough to compare the two situations. Me? I'd rather be in the grocery store and responsible for my own protection in a situation with way less chance for infection. You guys brought new meaning to the word "hero" for good reason.

As far as that study goes, there were 17,383 participants that were uninfected and 9.8% became infected over a seven month period from June 2020 to January 2021. Pretty interesting study... So many factors make all of these scenarios hard to compare. These were healthcare workers in another part of the world during the height of contamination... with everyone in the world learning "on the fly".

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84


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A lot of NFL players have been gotten their shots recently so I wonder how many got covid within two weeks of receiving their second dose?


That would be more concerning because the first few months after getting your second dose is when the vaccine is supposed to work the best.


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You need two weeks after your second shot before you get the full effect of the vaccine.


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Well you know how it works. 80% of players are vaccinated. So according to fate, only 20% of the players getting half of the covid cases makes a point. Only one fifth of the players had 50% of the cases.

Then there's the crazy accusation that somehow society is "vilifying" those who already had covid that haven't gotten the vaccine.

The fact is over 90% of all people hospitalized and dying of covid are unvaccinated and we still have people acting like telling those facts means your "vilifying" people.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/covid-vaccines-second-doses.html

From Way back in April 2021.

From the Article Millions of Americans are not getting the 2nd dose. 5 million.

top 3 reasons.
Fear of the side effects
Feeling one shot is protection enough
The 2nd shot is not available of the correct brand at their 2nd appointment.


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This is underreported in the American Media vs the other aspects of the pandemic.
The US big Media in bed with the government and big corporations doesn't want corporations to look bad, the Wal-marts and the vaccine companies.

In Law, In disaster and in economics, big business comes before people, like it or not.

Why I would recommend the single shot no chance to miss the 2nd one.

:last line of the article, But the trend is nonetheless troubling to some state officials.

Underreported I say.

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Numbers matter. Tell the numbers and let people figure it out for the themselves.

I can tell you and you know that millions of lives have been saved by vaccines it's a fact we all should know, or at least I thinks so.

This is a vaccine designed to help protect your life it's really that simple or at least I think it is. It's not that a very small percentage of people will have a violent reaction to it, but beyond that I never ever thought I would see the silliness surrounding the reasoning behind why so many people are saying no to the vaccine.

There are people that believe the government is injecting tracking devices in them thru the Covid-19 vaccine. Of all the silliness I have ever heard this takes the cake it really does. That means the vaccine makers are actively involved, it means that their 100's of thousands of employees are actively involved in a conspiracy to spy on you. For what reason would the government want to spy on you? It's not that they don't already have the ability to spy on you, without injecting it into you via the vaccine. They have ways to spy on you, they simply do. If you have a cell phone you can be tracked. I just don't understand how anyone could ever be convinced that something so silly is so true.

But put the numbers out show the science behind the vaccine and let people decide for themselves, it's all IMO that can be done. I sure do hate seeing people engage in so much silliness but hey they get too.


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This from July 2nd.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/02/missed-second-dose-covid19-vaccine/

15 million by June of 2021, had missed their 2nd shots, and this delved into other issues as why.

Including some earlier speculation on the need of 2 shots effectiveness leading some to falsely believe it's not necessary and
others (from the article) falsely believing that covid recovered people would only need one shot for immunity.

And again folks worried about the side effects, it does say people with severe or allergic reactions to the first shot shouldn't get the 2nd. Duh!

but delved into the portion that were just delayed in the time window, (4 weeks after Modernas' or 3 weeks after Pfizers') and had been counted as not getting the
2nd shot
if 42 days had passed, adding that there just wasn't yet data on the effectiveness of those who received their 2nd shots after more time had passed.

IMO the underreported part of the pandemic currently.

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Originally Posted By: FATE
If he's already had Covid and is no longer contagious, he's safer to be around than anyone else, including those who have been vaccinated.



Says Who!

(We know Lamar Jackson had Covid twice, in Nov. of 2020 and July of 2021, was he safer to be around himself.. I don't know his vaccination status.)

edit: ! The First! widely reported drop in transmiss-abillity, iirc. was circa February of 2021, when, The nation of Israel, reached near 50% of their population vaccinated,
which is a large case study into the effectiveness of vaccination, vs. contagiousness imo.

(and millions across the world had died or recovered after testing positive, in the months prior, with no widespread report of reduction of virus spread in any large area of recovered people.

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"One of the best-known outbreaks among vaccinated people occurred in the small beach town of Provincetown, Massachusetts, as thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated alike gathered on dance floors and at house parties over the Fourth of July weekend to celebrate the holiday -- and what seemed like a turning point in the pandemic. About three-fourths of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people."


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-va...dhp&pc=U531

"One of the best-known outbreaks among vaccinated people occurred in the small beach town of Provincetown, Massachusetts, as thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated alike gathered on dance floors and at house parties over the Fourth of July weekend to celebrate the holiday -- and what seemed like a turning point in the pandemic. About three-fourths of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people."


I was up there with the family a couple weeks later. Did a week in Cape Cod (Chatham area) and spent a day in P-Town after climbing the dunes in Truro.

We dodged Covid, but saw some humpback whales and ate some great lobster!



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JMHO, we, Americans, have been spoiled for decades- no big health issues- Aids, small numbers, but polio, small pox- society, kids in 50s had gov. shots ALL THE TIME.
Now we have those who think gov is injecting micro dots/tracking devices--the information age has given us too much info and lots of it stuff on your shoe.
My big concern for population and football season- those who have shot think they are bullet proof. Wrong again, the real experts are now talking booster shots. Lastly, thank God our QB isn't like Cousins of Vikings, who's doing his "own research"....dan, millions have had the shots and what have been the results- those with shots mostly live/ don't get hurt as much.....come on people, use your brains.


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I don’t see how teams wouldn’t privately discuss vaccination status. Stating it publicly might be another issue lol


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