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OldColdDawg #1879854 09/01/21 11:26 AM
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Ballsy move by Urban. I hope others follow suit.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I don’t see how teams wouldn’t privately discuss vaccination status. Stating it publicly might be another issue lol
Even the stating it out loud part... with how the NFL came in hot regarding COVID rules and punishments... and with guys already getting busted by the hall monitors... how anyone can get their pants in a wad over a coach making this part of their decision-making is fake, IMO.

If you have a problem with this, it's the NFL you should be whining at.


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Hopefully we don't have any COVID reserve players heading into the first game. Hope all the players are smart this long weekend.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio — Browns center JC Tretter, president of the NFLPA, issued a stern warning Tuesday that all NFL players should be tested for COVID-19 daily — either vaccinated or unvaccinated — or risk not getting through a full NFL season amid the ongoing pandemic and raging Delta variant.

Currently, unvaccinated players are tested every day, and vaccinated players are tested once every seven days — recently changed from once every two weeks at the start of the season.


The NFL is opposed to daily testing for vaccinated players and staff members who work closely with players, and has only agreed so far to the once-a-week cadence. But according to Tretter — and a few vaccinated players such as the Cardinals’ Justin Pugh who have tested positive — once a week isn’t good enough.

They don’t believe it’s safe or effective, and have the numbers to back up their claims. In fact, Tretter states unequivocally that the league is in “a worse spot” than last year because of the lack of daily for testing for all, and has been calling for it since at least Aug. 5.

“Clubs have been instructed to test fully vaccinated players and staff over the course of three days each week,’’ Tretter wrote on the NFLPA website. “This then leaves 4-6 days where we don’t know if a vaccinated individual is positive for COVID and shedding virus to those around him. If that happens -- as we have seen it happen repeatedly during training camp -- it could lead to these two bad scenarios:

“Scenario 1: For up to six days, the virus spreads throughout the facility with no one knowing. When it gets to the following Monday, the team resumes testing and 10+ players and staff test positive. Those 10+ people now are in doubt for the following game. Some may be able to get cleared before, but some won’t; and that team will be missing key players.


“Scenario 2: An individual becomes symptomatic on a Friday, which causes additional testing of high-risk close contacts (HRCCs). We find a cluster of positives, which wipes out multiple players a day before the game.’’

Tretter stressed that the league has seen significantly more incidents of transmission inside the building this year than last year, including an outbreak among the highly-vaccinated Titans.

“Transmission within our building is what kills us,’’ he wrote. “When we don’t have our finger on the pulse of what’s going on inside our buildings, we set ourselves up for failure,’’ Tretter wrote. “We’ve seen scenarios like these happen multiple times over the last month. Recently, Tennessee finished up with 14 positives – and the team was 97% vaccinated at that time. It’s not hard to realize how devastating that would be during a week of the regular season. Yet, incidents like this have flown under the radar because players missing training camp practices or preseason games isn’t big news. That will not be the case moving forward and a few teams are already without, or at risk of being without, key starters heading into this opening weekend.


“A weekly testing cadence doesn’t just increase the likelihood that the games suffer because players are missing from the field; it also increases the likelihood of a game being cancelled altogether. If a game gets cancelled, nobody gets paid – including the owners – for the revenues lost from that game. The players lose out, the fans lose out, and the owners lose out. It’s the worst-case scenario that we should all be actively working to avoid – and the fact that we aren’t continues to be a source of frustration for our union.

“We are all tired. No one likes that this is the world we are living in still this season. No one likes mitigation methods. But we cannot do what is easy over what is right. We cannot do what is cheaper over what is right. We have been warned by our experts that, because of our current testing cadence, we are at more risk of missed games this season than last season. If we continue to go down this path, I need everyone in the football community to be aware of what lies ahead.’’

Tretter and the union call for daily testing of vaccinated players, as well as the unvaccinated

Already this week, vaccinated players such as Cowboys starting left tackle Zack Martin could miss the opener against the Bucs after testing positive, and a fully vaccinated Chiefs safety Tyrann Mathieu hasn’t been activated for the Browns game after testing positive last week. Pugh, the Cardinals’ fully-vaccinated guard, called for daily testing for all last month after testing positive when they were still on the once-every-14-days cadence.


“Hey @NFL we need daily testing for vaccinated and non-vaccinated players,” he tweeted then. “I was vaccinated and still got covid. As of now vaccinated players test every 14 days. That’s not enough! Who knows how long I walked around the building with it or whoever I got it from! Fix this ASAP”

NFL Teams also had to sweat out COVID testing this week after players had a mandatory three-day break. Unvaccinated players had to remain in town and be tested every day, while vaccinated players were permitted to enjoy the long weekend. But teams feared they’ve have some positive tests heading into opening weekend. Unvaccinated players who test positive must quarantine for 10 days, while vaccinated players can return to the field after two negative tests in a 24-hour period.

The Browns have about 90% of their players vaccinated, and only second-round linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah has been placed on COVID-19 reserve since training camp began.


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I think based on what the Union is saying we are headed for trouble. I sure hope the coaches have had some long talks with the players along with Tretter and the Union.


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One of the things I was told last year when we were in the thick of things was that testing shouldn't be used as a crutch or an 'out' to cover for lax distancing, masking, etc. At this point, with NFL vaccination numbers being what they are and the NFL hall monitors doing their thing, I think they would get far more bang for their buck (in terms of safety) to hammer on other preventative measures and look to testing when it's impossible to stay out of someone else's un-masked face.


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I have to agree to an extent, you can't have two different testing protocols based on Vaccination status when its been proven that being vaccinated doesn't reduce your viral load or ability to transmit despite your resilience to have the virus affect you. So its simple, everyone in the buildings and sidelines should mask and they should test every day. Its the only way to build in an extra layer of safety that will cut down on missed games due to exposure or close contact.


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Daughter and Son-in-law just went to a concert over the weekend where they had to show proof of vaccination or a negative test from that day. They ARE NOT vaccinated so they did the tests. Kroger did the tests, they got the negative results, and entry to the concert went smooth for them, but they said many were turned away... Everybody better get used to this new normal.


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I’ve got an art/music festival gig in Vegas this weekend. I believe all attendees must show proof of vaccination or a negative test within 72 hours or something. For me and my crew to get into the crew/talent catering tents we have to be fully vaccinated. Period. Two on our crew are not... having had only their first jab. So the rest of us will have to schlep food out of the catering tents for them all week. I’ll be wearing a KN95 in those tents regardless. Eat outside.
I’m glad festivals are doing this. Large crowds need these safety measures.


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Here we go, it starts already. Saints are first victims. Honestly I agree with tretter. Tests should be done every day, it may not be as bad as last season but o fully expect that every nfl team will deal with multiple positive tests at least once


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Daughter and Son-in-law just went to a concert over the weekend where they had to show proof of vaccination or a negative test from that day. They ARE NOT vaccinated so they did the tests. Kroger did the tests, they got the negative results, and entry to the concert went smooth for them, but they said many were turned away... Everybody better get used to this new normal.


"Show me your papers" has never been normal in this country. I don't think telling people they better get used to it is as sure of a thing as you hope. Stuff like your example is going to catch up and then the question is going to be can these venues afford to be so discriminatory just as a matter sufficient customers. Maybe they can, maybe they won't. My wife and I will be in a similar situation here a few weeks as your daughter and son in law.

Last spring I bought concert tickets for an act she's been wanting to see for years up in D.C. They play in October, 2 weeks after her birthday so I looked like a hero hoping to surprise her. The show was sold out back then so I ended up paying 3x the ticket cost from a third party, got the hotel reserved.

A couple weeks ago I checked and found out the venue is going to start requiring proof of vaxx or neg test the week before the show. The board should know how I feel about this already lol. Anyway, I had to break the surprise to her and gave her the option as I'll already have to be getting a weekly test for my job. She said to go ahead and cancel it on the off chance one of us pops POS the week before and end up wasting the money.

So I go to sell the tickets... or try to. They're locked. The ticket insurance won't cover cancellations related to Covid either. On top of that, tickets for that show were available again through the primary vendor, AT their original price. However, if you bought those tickets they would not be eligible for a refund. Essentially they lock you in to the transaction.

I suspect what happened was they started to see an increase in people returning their tickets and had to slow the bleeding. We'll see how it goes. If for some reason we can't get in to the show, D.C. is still a place we like to visit.

The comedian Jim Bruer announce he's cancelling any of his shows where the venue is demanding proof from patrons. I guess that's half of his tour? My guess is that he probably won't be out much money if at all because I don't think he'll have a hard time replacing tour dates in the places that don't require proof.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in Buffalo for sure.

I'd also warn against being too cocksure when encouraging people to embrace a new normal. Its easy to say that when you are talking about entertainment. I don't think its as easy to be so glib when we see reports of hospitals losing 10-40% of its nursing and medical staff through resignation over vaxx mandates and being overworked because of all the unnecessary layoffs over the course of the pandemic. It looks like decreased access to medical care is going to be the new normal too.


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Get the vaccine and the issues end. smh. Or just keep being you and deal with whatever comes down the pike like it is a conspiracy against YOU instead of a viral pandemic.


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Assuming you paid with a credit card, you can pursue your refund via them. If you bought the tickets and then changed the terms of using said tickets, I imagine it shouldn't be hard to get your money back.


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You're telling others to get the vaccination while your daughter and son in law haven't.

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As Strother Martin said, "Some people you just can't reach."


Stand up for those less fortunate than yourself. That's what Jesus told us to do.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Daughter and Son-in-law just went to a concert over the weekend where they had to show proof of vaccination or a negative test from that day. They ARE NOT vaccinated so they did the tests. Kroger did the tests, they got the negative results, and entry to the concert went smooth for them, but they said many were turned away... Everybody better get used to this new normal.


NEW NORMAL??????????? Hell if I'm going to roll over to the Tyrannical Global Elite!


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Well there's always Covid. You could just roll over and not be playing dead.


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"Show me your papers" has never been normal in this country.


And even today it's unusual unless your in a pandemic, which we are. 650,000 Americans are DEAD from it... Can't be denied.

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The comedian Jim Bruer announce he's cancelling any of his shows where the venue is demanding proof from patrons.


What kind of performer wants to risk the lives of his/her fans. Who is dumb enough to do that. I don't know who Jim Bruer is and I don't care. If all he wants to do is be political instead of proactive, I don't want to know who he is.


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