DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns can't draft or develop WRs.

The truth hurts - it's why no one wants to hear it. This crap has been going on for 3 years now. When are people going to finally see the writing on the wall. There's nothing wrong with making mistakes, happens each and every day. Closing your eyes to those mistakes doing the same thing over and over hoping for different results is the real problem. This is the same crap that we had to deal with in 2021 and 2022. So here we are in 2023 and it's here again - TY Stefanski and Berry. LOL, and we'll still have people defending them here.

J/C

The receivers haven't been the problem. (Excluding the dumb wrong direction reverse) It's been the OL and overwhelmed rookie QB. The OL was supposed to be good. It hasn't been. Now more guys are banged up (Bitonio, Pocic.) It's a game of attrition, and we got a giant bite taken out of us early. Hopefully we'll get some guys back healthy and be able to make a run. Unfortunately, Chubb (nor Conklin) won't be one of them.

They just haven't been playing well. Teams found out a way to attack what we do, we had not figured out how to stop it yet. Hopefully, now Callahan has. I think a lot of it was/is just needing the guys to communicate better/more.

Maybe the quality of the OLine personnel was better last year than it is this year.

Berry's record at judging OLine personnel is a matter of record, drafting Wills over Wirfs and drafting Centers Nick Harris and Dawson Deaton.

If you're going to preach at me to restrict my posts to developing WR's, maybe you should be following your own advice.

The Browns WRs have 1 total TD as a group this year.
DPJ is a underachieving like no other.
So overrated on this board

If TD's are the standard you're using, as the #1 WR Coopper has only caught 1 TD. If only QB play was a common denominator. Oh wait a minute, it is.

You can’t draft or develop WR’s when you trade picks at the top of the draft.

More of a bash against the FO, but that is what happens when you mortgage the future on a single player…

You can’t draft or develop WR’s when you have a QB that can’t throw a football..

That goes back to Bad shoulder Baker, Brisset, and Walker.

Brissett had a 64% completion percentage with 12 td's and 6 int's in his time with the Browns. I think that means he could throw the ball.

I just trusted Brissett's decision making and ability to NOT kill us ... not to mention, his short yardage impact

Well, I will be more precise with my comment.

He was a good QB as a backup, but plays downfield or outside the numbers were a bit limited. So WR's are not going to put up huge numbers.

His best pass was a ten yard inside the numbers bullet that he could nail on a dime.

There are reasons that he has been limited as a starter throughout his career. And yes, I would take that limited right now.

I guess that was also my point as well. There aren't starting material QB's available right now. As it pertains to back up QB's he is an efficient QB that makes few mistakes. A game manager type. Certainly an upgrade to the Browns current options without having to break the bank.

What I think a lot of people forget is this.......


Browns have a top 5 offense including top 10 in passing

Cleveland’s offensive DVOA is impressive in multiple ways

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/11/3/23439550/browns-dvoa-offense-nick-chubb-jacoby-brissett

If one looks back at how highly our passing attack was ranked with Brissett under center I think it helps to put things in perspective.

We've simply regressed continuously at QB.

The best sustained QB performances in this offense are:

1. Baker Mayfield
2. Jacoby Brissett

and then it's a pretty big drop off to #3, which is currently PJ Walker.

Agreed. It's just another bad break for us that DW got injured. We have a team that can play with anyone if we had a healthy DW. We are built to win now and this had to happen. Now that I stated what we all know I'll offer a solution or 2. Try and trade for Brissett if possible. I would offer a 3 and a 5. If Washington doesn't want to trade then see if Wentz or Matt Ryan would be interested. We have to try something. I'd hate to see another promising season, like 2021, go down the drain. With Enough reps PJ might be OK but we shouldn't stand pat. JMO

The solution should have been having a capable back up QB on the roster. Now the only solution is scrambling to try and find one. We had Dobbs and gave him up for a ham sandwich and a six pack.

Exactly. No argument here. Keeping Dobbs was just common sense.

If we only had a 230 million dollar elite franchise QB…

I can't believe, well, I don't understand how people may have forgotten just how BAD the Browns offense was in the red zone,
especially passing, or dropping back to pass, in the red zone under Brissett,
and, how that continued over a large game stretch, 4 or many more games
If I'd recall, Case Keenum, Baker, and Dobbs all did better than Brissett in the offense, pound for pound,
But none of that matters
because none of them are going to play better than P.J. Walker is going to play in this Browns offense this upcoming game because only P.J. Walker will be on the field.