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All it means to me is he is as likely to end up like Russel or Couch as he Manning. Jerome Harrison led the nation in yards and TD's (1,900 yards and 16 touchdowns) coming out of college in the 2006 Draft yet only managed to get a 4th round payday. Apples to Oranges.....

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All it means to me is he is as likely to end up like Russel or Couch as he Manning

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What? is there a word or two missing there?

I just keep thinking,,, what if?

Then again Jerome Harrison is third All-time in rushing for a single game.

(also he's actually 5th round choice)

I'm pretty confused about Tebow. If he put up such monster numbers and has the intangibles... Why are people so bummed about his innaccuracy and mechanics? (also innacurate? that doesn't make sense statistically)...

Perhaps a better question would be... Why did everyone get high on Couch and Russell? Why aren't they tagged as non first rounders? Why are Clausen and McCoy assumed to be more likely to succeed?

Sooo.... You're saying you think Tebow is pretty good?

I have to say, that is one of the worst articles I have read this draft season. It just screams "I want attention!" to me. This guy probably wrote this because he knows he will get some site hits if he writes an article stating the greatness of Tim Tebow.

I like how he passes off Tebow's mechanics as no big deal. If they weren't a problem then why is Tebow changing his mechanics on his own.

Also, the writer fails to mention that Tebow played in the spread offense in college. And took most of his snaps in the shotgun (not that big of a deal). Tebow never playing in a pro style offense is one of the biggest arguments against him.

Overall, it was just a horrible article that was probably written to get attention. Well done, guy whose name I don't know. You accomplished your goal.

Yeah, people think Tebow won't be good because he's too good to be true. That makes a lot of sense.

If Tebow was a guaranteed slam dunk like you say he is GM's would be taking him #1 overall with no reservations.

GM's don't avoid guys because they are too good to be true. They want to keep their jobs.

Worst argument ever.

No worries man....I know you have softened the stance.....now I am just coaching you along so you arrive at the correct conclusion.

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So college accomplishments don't mean much when it comes to projecting a player to the next level.

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I don't buy that.


If so, why aren't more basketball and track guys drafted?? Many of those guy project to a NFL player.

I am not saying that as a joke. If projectability has such a large lead...or even a little over what a player has done against a top level of competition, why worry if you are so sure your ability to project is solid??

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You still fail to ignore accomplishment

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I thought he succeeded in ignoring accomplishments rather well !

Just yanking your chain a little Peen...


I'm probably never going to understand this whole hating on Tebow thing. I mean if you listen to all the stuff being said about his delivery, mobility, accuracy etc etc.. you'd think the guy was a total loser... yet, statistically, he's damn solid.

Somebody is going to take a chance on Tebow.. and my hunch is, they are going to be glad they did.. The kid is just too driven not to find a way to succeed..

Maybe it will be an ugly success.. but then, who would care?

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Hey Uncle Todd, and Uncle Daman dont forget me along on this trip hehehe...Todd that had me rolling when I read it

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Ok Tubbster,, we'll take you out for Ice Cream too,, would that be ok

Dude, it's Toad, not Todd.

You think that someone as messed up as Toad could have such a normal name?

Toad what about the article where Jon Gruden is studying the spread?

If he ever coaches in the nfl again he might try to bring it with him.

Oh and here is the old article if you' re interested.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-08/sports/gruden08_1_spread-offense-tim-tebow-gruden/3

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rocky road?

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Winner winner, Chicken Dinner

Tebow's dad thinks son will go in top 15 picks

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 26, 2010 10:53 AM ET

The consensus now surrounding Tim Tebow's draft stock is that he won't make it out of the second round. His father, Bob Tebow, thinks he'll go a lot higher than that.

"If the Jaguars don't take him at 10, he'll be gone by 15," Bob Tebow told Sam Kouvaris of 1010XL in Jacksonville last week. (Click column "Is Tim coming here?" for full story.)

Don't assume these are simply the words of a biased father. I have heard similar rumors that members of Tebow's camp are convinced, right or wrong, he will go in the top half of the first round.

Yes, this could easily be predraft scuttlebutt aimed at getting a team to jump on Tebow. But Bob Tebow's matter of fact confidence comes from somewhere.

I've heard enough information from a separate source that makes me believe Tebow has a better chance of getting taken in the first round than the Mock Draft Mafia believes.

At the very least, clearly Tebow thinks he will be drafted that high.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/tebows-dad-thinks-son-will-go-in-top-15-picks/




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Too bad his Dad isn't a NFL GM. Top 15 ? Ummm Maybe we should take him at 7 before someone else grabs him... TOAD will LOVE this

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That's all fine and well, but having a non-employed coach talking about it is a totally different thing than actually doing it.

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I don't know if the spread is a good idea or a bad idea in the pros.. don't care really.,.,,

Buy why diss a pretty good coach because he's not in the league at the current time.. why does that make his opinion any less valid?

Just asking.. cause it sounds like you don't want to hear that so you disrepect the guy saying it... wierd and not at all like you..... I'm in SHOCK

not to insert myself but the point is that there is so support that the NFL, as an organization, is headed in that direction as someone else claimed just becuase a former nfl coach says he's studying it. even if he says he has every intention of using it, as of right now, because he's an ex-coach that's out of the league, it holds no real weight. it doesn't mean he won't do it, just that it's not support for league trends right now.

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Too bad his Dad isn't a NFL GM. Top 15 ? Ummm Maybe we should take him at 7 before someone else grabs him... TOAD will LOVE this

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I think the media is so much to blame for this kinda thinking. The general consensus is even after his pro day that most observers were not any more impressed with Tebow's QB skills than they were before he showcased his "new delivery". Yet his father is going to go out on a limb and make this kinda statement. The hype will just not settle no matter what he does or doesn't do. The same can be said about Bradford as well,until he unveiled his new physique,he was only considered one of the better QB's in a weak QB draft class. Now people are not only talking about him going #1 but mentioning the Browns TRADING UP to grab him.

Don't drink the kool-aide folks. The media is trying to make the draft more like a circus event every year.

Dong, I get that.. and I don't care. that's not at all what I was speaking of.. go back and read my post again... you will see that I could care less if the spread ever made it to the NFL.....

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d...mp;confirm=true

Large market exists for Tebow despite questions about mechanics
By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com
Senior Analyst



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Normally, a 6-foot-3, 236-pound quarterback who started 41 major college games, winning all but five of those games, led his team to a national championship (and was a contributor to another), and won a Heisman Trophy is a rock solid first-round NFL draft pick.

Not to mention along the way, this guy threw for 9,285 yards, 88 touchdowns and just 16 interceptions, which is 28 more touchdowns and 11 fewer interceptions than Jimmy Clausen, who's expected to go higher than him, and the exact number of touchdowns and interceptions as the top-rated quarterback in the draft, Sam Bradford, in his career.

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Of course, I'm talking about Tim Tebow.

As we begin to close in on the 2010 NFL Draft, the debate rages on about Tebow's ability to play in the NFL and where he should be selected. As one prominent NFL head coach told me today of his elongated throwing motion, which seems to be his biggest red flag, "Tim will not make his throwing an issue. He fixed it, and it has changed the evaluation of him." Another head coach: "He is not typical, and the regular evaluation rules don't apply to this guy."

So how much credence goes into comments made by Tebow's former Florida teammate, wide receiver Deonte Thompson, who, in a roundabout way, said last week that Tebow isn't a "real quarterback"? According to one well respected general manager, none at all.

And when Bengals wide receiver Andre Caldwell says Tebow won't be an elite passer, he didn't say he couldn't be an elite quarterback. There are plenty of guys with average throwing skills who can lead a team and win in the NFL (By the way, there are a few teams that believe Tebow can win games -- lots of games in the NFL).

So what is the ideal situation for Tebow that gives him the best chance to be successful when he enters the league?

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In my opinion not being a first-round pick would help his cause and keep early expectations down. Wherever he goes, a media circus will follow. And one GM at the NFL Annual Meeting last week told me he wants no part of it.

All three quarterbacks drafted in the first round last year -- Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman -- were on the field early. Tebow needs time to develop his craft, and being selected in the second or third round by a team with an established quarterback would be ideal. Going to a team with an unstable quarterback situation means fans and media will be calling for Tebow the second the starter begins to fall apart.

A team pressured by the need to sell tickets is not a good place for Tebow, who shouldn't be viewed as a marketing tool but rather a developmental player requiring time for grooming. One front office executive who watched his performance at the Senior Bowl and his pro day said, "Tebow willed his throwing issue fixed." I followed up that statement by asking if he could know for sure that Tebow won't revert back to his old throwing habits when there is a pass rush in his face. The executive's answer: "No one knows for sure, but I would bet on Tebow before a lot of guys with the same problem."

It's clear there is a market for Tebow, whose stock is on the rise. In January, people at the Senior Bowl thought they were looking at a fourth-round pick. At the NFL Scouting Combine, when he had a 38½-inch vertical, ran a 4.72-second 40-yard dash, 4.17 short shuttle, and a 9-7 broad jump, the talk turned to him being a late third rounder. Now Tebow's pro day and personal visits with a few teams have left many thinking second round, and there is even some talk about the first round with three weeks left to go until draft day.


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Here are the teams that have Tebow on their radars:

New England
The Patriots may be the ideal spot for Tebow with future Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady on the field for the foreseeable future. No pressure on Tebow to play right away and years to learn the pro game from coach Bill Belichick and Brady. Belichick is friends with Florida coach Urban Meyer and will gain more insight into the player than anyone else. The Patriots have three picks in the second round and have the flexibility to pull the trigger on this deal. Tebow has already visited with New England, which really needs another quarterback on its roster with second-year undrafted Brian Hoyer as the backup. Tebow has already expressed a desire to play any position, and the creative mind of Belichick could find plenty for him to do for the next few years.

Washington
The Redskins are probably going to miss out on Bradford with the Rams looking poised to take him at No. 1 overall. Washington will most likely target a left tackle (Russell Okung) with the No. 4 pick and give Tebow strong consideration in the second round if they don't fall in love with Clausen in the next few weeks. Coach Mike Shanahan also has insight into the Florida program, which is a positive for Tebow. Bringing Tebow in for one of the team's allotted 30 visits and having general manager Bruce Allen and Shanahan make a visit to Gainesville for a private workout was not a smoke screen as some would suggest. I had a head coach tell me Shanahan is very intrigued with Tebow.

Buffalo
Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly took Tebow out for dinner when he visited the Bills. I remember when Kelly was coming out of high school and Penn State recruited him to be a linebacker, not a quarterback. I think Kelly has always carried the attitude that he could do anything he set his mind to and sees a lot of his younger self in Tebow. The Bills need a leader and a face of the organization, and Tebow certainly brings that to the table. But here's a situation in which he probably hits the field before he's ready, and that could be a recipe for disaster. If the Bills could select him in the third round (No. 72) it would be okay, but they may have to use No. 41 in the second round, which would add more pressure to the situation. With Buffalo's issues along the offensive line, Tebow's running skills would come in handy while new head coach Chan Gailey works with him.

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Jacksonville
The Jaguars are a natural fit for Tebow as the hometown guy. And with David Garrard starting for the time being, Tebow wouldn't get under center right away. Tebow is not ready to beat out the underrated Garrard, but a year from now he might be. The Jags don't have a second-round pick and are probably not sacrificing No. 10 in the first round to get him. I did speak with someone in Jacksonville at the Senior Bowl who said, "I like a lot about Tim and not worried about his struggles throwing the ball this week in Mobile." It sure sounded to me like there was genuine interest at a time when Tebow was being heavily criticized.

Cleveland
The Browns have built the perfect situation to draft Tebow. Mike Holmgren is the team president and well known for developing quarterbacks. He eliminated Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson from the equation and replaced them with an older quarterback in Jake Delhomme, who may have a year or two left in him, and former Seahawks backup Seneca Wallace, who could help in the development of Tebow. Holmgren has the same questions I have about the "new" Tebow mechanics holding up when the pass rush and coverages are part of the performance. Holmgren knows he bought some time to work on it with Tebow, and I go back to Holmgren's days in Green Bay when he developed Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Ty Detmer, and Matt Hasselbeck, as well as the great Brett Favre.

Seattle
New coach Pete Carroll has been public about his respect and excitement for Tebow as a pro. Trading for Charlie Whitehurst may eliminate the Seahawks from the equation, but Whitehurst only signed a two-year deal and there's no guarantee there will even be a franchise tag in the next CBA. I don't believe the Seahawks would use one of their two first-round picks on Tebow, and they moved down far enough in the second round that they should miss out on him as well. But never underestimate the Seahawks making a move in the draft if he's within reach.

And now here are some dark horse candidates that may very well have more interest in Tebow than they've let on to this point. I played golf one day with a former NFL head coach who said, "Parcells loves Tebow.":

Miami
Bill Parcells loves football players, and Tebow fits the bill. The Dolphins are not swayed by things like how the public feels about Pat White. If Parcells is intrigued enough, then they will consider him.

Pittsburgh
Tebow has old school Steeler traits. He loves the game, has high character and toughness. Ben Roethlisberger hasn't exactly been the perfect Steeler, and the truth is there is a backup QB situation in Pittsburgh that Charlie Batch can't answer. Pittsburgh has a long history of taking the time to develop their own players and taking Tebow at No. 52 in the second round is not out of the realm of possibility.


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San Francisco
Alex Smith hasn't locked down the quarterback spot for the Niners, although I think he can this year. The Niners have two picks in the first round to address needs in the secondary and at offensive tackle. If they don't get in the mix for Donovan McNabb, then Tebow in the second round comes into play. David Carr, who the 49ers acquired in free agency, is not the answer if Smith doesn't come through this season.

Carolina
The Panthers just don't have the draft picks to address all their needs and think about Tebow. But coach John Fox has had plenty of positive things to say about him, especially at his pro day. This one is a long shot.

Oakland
Tebow is better than JaMarcus Russell right now and is the total opposite and just what this team needs going forward. The Raider Nation deserves some hope, and Tebow could deliver it.

Kansas City
The Chiefs have two second-round picks, and general manager Scott Pioli loves high character guys.


how many Gm's were at the NFL meetings last week?

Wow, that's funny. They just compared Tebow's 4 years of playing, or at least 3 years of starting and playing part of his freshman year, and having 88 TDs, to Bradford's 2 years and a game and 88 TDs.

don't forget about the 40 some rushing td's he had too