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Well the last Kitchens thread was locked due to length. So just to see people's hair on fire, I decided to post a new one.

Report: Browns plan to retain Freddie Kitchens 'barring a horrific collapse'

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Cleveland Browns hope to keep Freddie Kitchens as their head coach for the long term.

CLEVELAND — With just three weeks remaining in the 2019 NFL season, attention around the league has already begun to shift toward the offseason's coaching carousel. Yet despite the uncertainty that has surrounded Freddie Kitchens for much of his first season as a head coach, it doesn't appear the Cleveland Browns plan on participating.

On Sunday morning, Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network published a report detailing the Browns' thoughts on Kitchens heading into the 2019 campaign's final three games. And while Cleveland's chances of breaking its 16-year playoff drought currently remain slim, Rapoport says that the Browns plan to retain Kitchens, "barring a horrific collapse or circumstance to end the season."

"Sources say Browns management continues to stand with Kitchens and wants him to continue to have the success necessary to remain in that position for a long time," Rapoport wrote. "The organization will evaluate everything, but that is the direction it's heading."

The Browns hired Kitchens as their head coach in January after an eight-game stint as the team's interim offensive coordinator following the midseason firings of head coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley in 2018. Through 13 games, he has amassed a 6-7 record, with Cleveland having won four of its last five games following a 2-6 start in its most highly anticipated season since the franchise returned in 1999.

Despite his recent success, Kitchens has routinely been criticized for his game day decision-making, his team's lack of discipline and inability to integrate star wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. into his offense after acquiring him in a blockbuster trade with the New York Giants. Two weeks ago, he caused a stir when he was pictured wearing a t-shirt that read "Pittsburgh started it" -- a clear reference to the Nov. 14 brawl between the Browns and Steelers that resulted in star defensive end Myles Garrett being suspended indefinitely -- two days prior to his team suffering a 20-13 rematch to Pittsburgh.

On Sunday, the Browns will face the franchise Kitchens spent 11 seasons as an assistant coach with, the Arizona Cardinals, at 4:05 p.m. ET.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...f3-092daa235217

so if we go 0-3 he wont be back basically

Pretty much as I expected.

WELL that's the Cliffnotes version.

Which was all that was needed!

Did someone from the Browns say the "barring a horrific collapse" part or just Rapoport?

And was it the dreaded unsolicited vote of confidence that started the whole "story"? Or was someone inside asked about the team's plans with regards to Freddie by the media?

If someone just said they plan on Freddie being here when asked about his future, it's a non-story that got sensationalized (negatively) by the media.

As rough as things have looked at times, I think the staff deserves more time. As much as things changed staff-wise, there were bound to be adjustments (or at least an adjustment period).

I'd really hate to see Kitchens fired at the end of the season.

Well is anything going to be done with play calling?

I like Freddy as a person but his coaching rally worries me. With Baker regressing another year with Freddy might ruin him like what happened to Couch and many many others. I don't think Freddy is a good game time Coach.

Maybe they'll let Monkin take over?

jc

I have been under the impression that this whole season has been a horrific collapse.

Frustrating to see this. HOWEVER... if the team plays hard and wins 2 out of the next 3 and they go 8-8, it says something. It would be 6-2 run for the second half of the season. I know the schedule is easier. But it IS the first year. If the team plays hard and with adequate discipline he’s made a case for himself. This year isn’t what any of us expected. However... if they go 8-8 the year after Hue is gone — good. My main concern is that he doesn’t have control of the team and that bleeds into next year. It might be harder to attract good coaches to see another HC fired after first year going 8-8.

It IS possible for Freddie to improve. Being in over his head doesn’t mean he will be the same way next year. I know from my own working experiences that I have grown with positions and the second year is always better than the first.

I'd really hate to see Kitchens NOT fired at the end of the season.

Let's stay on the firing treadmill.. it has worked so well in the past.

You don't like Kitchens, that's fine, we won't hire a better coach if we fire him, no one will want the job.

What a load of BS. I hate reporters about as much as politicians.. Im sure Dorsey let his plans known to this shumck. Who would he tell on his staff that would leak it either? I would tell every staff member something different and see who leaked what..

I dont care to keep firing coaches but IF Freddie was going to "get it" I'd think he would have "gotten it" this far in.

I've scratched my head so many times this season I've got a bald spot.

1. So what do you think about the play calling?
2. What do you think about the game management?
3. You have no idea on whether particular coaches want the job or not.
4. What do you think Kitchens needs to improve upon?

We tried stripping the HC of his play calling duties with Hue. It created even more dysfunction and infighting.

If you feel the need to step in and dictate how the HC is to run/manage his team, it's time to just move on.

1. I don't think the play calling has been as bad as some of the execution. At times Kitchens seems to be too clever, which doesn't help. This might be due to trying to manage an offense as well as manage a team.

2. He is stretched too thin learning too much at one time. This has caused some issues, I would hope he learns to get better at as time goes on. I think he is trending in the right direction.

3. I don't know what any individual thinks, but a revolving door at the head coach position has not trended upwards in coaching candidates.

4. I think Kitchens needs to adopt Nagy's motto "Be yourself" I think he did a better job last year doing that and needs to be better at what input he listens to.

I won’t be happy if we fire Freddie, and I won’t be happy if we keep him. Typical year for being a fan of the Browns.

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Just win games.

Wait! OOPS.

I'd really "LIKE" to see Kitchens fired at the end of the season.

Whew. fixed it, now I can like the post.

Can anyone name ONE time this excuse wasn't used for them not making the playoffs in the multitude of years they didn't make the playoffs.

Not Myles Garretts first year, it's not Odell Beckhams first year, it's not Jarvis Landrys first year, not Higgans, Chubbs, the Haslems' any of the DB's except Greedy's it's not ...

oh nevermind, let's just,

well just more of what we've seen since 1999, (stuck in that vortex at the bottom of Niagara falls)
At least the Red Sox won a championship... after 110 years! OIC, only in Cleveland


hahaha, 2 weeks ago... This if funny.

2 weeks ago the Chiefs shoulder pads and gear ended up in the wrong place and they almost had to forfeit a game,

which would have been a first, ... but ( I like to think)
Somebody spoke up and said, " hey this ain't Cleveland"
and someone else said, "you're right, we can't let this happen, for the first time ever, if it's not happening to Cleveland" and so the gear got a police escort to make it to the stadium in time for the Chiefs not to forfeit.

Yea, lets keep Kitchens. Great game plan today! Can’t wait til next year.

And Freddie strikes again

14-10

So we have 3rd and 2 and you take Chubb off the field???

I think I hear the beginnings of collapse...

I wonder how it is Kitchen's fault the refs blew a false start call...

There is so much going wrong that isn't coaching or play calling it is ridiculous.

Everyone needs to answer one very simple question:

Would Freddie kitchens been a highly sought after hire on ANY OTHER TEAM at the start of 2019?

Well, there goes the playoff hopes...next up humiliation at the hands of the Ravens next week...but Freddie is the man for 2020 I hear! LOL!

"barring a horrific collapse or circumstance to end the season."

Welp.

No and nor was he in 2018.

Here is the horrible catastrophe collapse....

I didn't think Freddie was the right guy for the job to start with but the only way I would fire him now that he's got the job is if a proven Head Coach lets it be known that he would like the job, otherwise stay the course and see if he improves next year.

The horrific collapse is here.

Bye Freddie. Bye Wilks. . . . No doubt someone will try to defend this. Maybe they'll blame Baker? Pfft. Hot garbage.

We gotta cross our fingers and hope Freddie can magically improve and the players suddenly begin to have even a shred of respect for him!

No doubt is right. There were people that felt we should give 1-31 Hue another chance.