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This seems like a big deal, though all CNN focused on was the lack of masks, lol:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54168120

US President Donald Trump has hailed the "dawn of a new Middle East", amid Israel's landmark deals with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain.

Mr Trump spoke as the two Gulf states signed agreements fully normalising their relations with Israel.

The three countries hailed the deals as historic, as did Mr Trump, whose administration helped broker them.

The Gulf states are just the third and fourth Arab countries to recognise Israel since its founding in 1948.

Mr Trump hopes other countries will follow suit, but the Palestinians have urged them not to while their conflict remains unsolved.

For decades, most Arab states have boycotted Israel, insisting they would only establish ties after Israel's dispute with the Palestinian was settled.

Why Israel's peace deals with Gulf states matter
Israel opens tentative new chapter with Gulf Arabs
What does Trump's Mid-East plan say on key issues?
"After decades of division and conflict we mark the dawn of a new Middle East," Mr Trump told a crowd of hundreds gathered at the White House on Tuesday.
"We're here this afternoon to change the course of history," he added.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed the deals, saying, "This day is a pivot of history; it heralds a new dawn of peace."

But Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas said only an Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories could bring peace to the Middle East.

"Peace, security and stability will not be achieved in the region until the Israeli occupation ends," he said in a statement
after the signing of the deals, AFP news agency reports.
The Israeli army said that two rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel while the ceremony was under way.
Why are these agreements being hailed as 'historic'?
Before the UAE and Bahrain, the only other Arab countries in the Middle East to recognise Israel officially were Egypt and Jordan, who signed peace treaties in 1978 and 1994 respectively.

Mauritania, a member of the Arab League in north-west Africa, established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1999 but severed ties in 2010.

All eyes will be on whether other countries in the region follow suit, above all Saudi Arabia. So far, the Saudis have signalled that they are not ready.

The agreements are also likely to usher in new security ties in a region where many of the Gulf Arab states share with the Israelis a common adversary in Iran.

These agreements represent the most significant diplomatic achievement of the Trump administration.

Persuading two Arab states to engage in this kind of rapprochement with Israel - without a solution to the Palestinian question - marks a significant move for pan-Arab unity.

The specific details of the agreements are not yet public, but there will be embassies, commercial deals and the opening of travel links between the countries. Mr Trump even suggested five other Arab states were "far down the road" towards finalising similar arrangements.

But the agreements have been condemned by the Palestinian leadership as a "black day" for the region. Developments on the ground in the occupied West Bank and Gaza could still derail these new relationships.

Presentational grey line
Why have Palestinians condemned the deals?
The Palestinians have said the agreements are dangerous betrayals.

They believe the moves by the Gulf countries renege on a promise by Arab states not to embrace ties with Israel until Palestinian statehood is achieved.

The UAE has said progress on Palestinian statehood is central, and that their agreement included a promise from Israel to "suspend" its controversial plan to annex key parts of the occupied West Bank that were allocated to it by President Trump under the Middle East peace plan he unveiled in January.
The Palestinians rejected Mr Trump's proposals as biased towards Israel and warned that annexation would destroy their hopes of a viable future independent state and violate international law - a stance supported by much of the international community.

The UAE's minister of state for foreign affairs told the BBC that it had sensed an "opportunity" when Mr Netanyahu signalled he would press ahead with annexation earlier this year.

"Everybody was worried about the annexation of Palestinian lands, which was really a threat to the viability of the two-state solution," Anwar Gargash said.

"And I think this sort of brought our plans forward and gave us a reason, a clear reason and clear rationale, why a decision that we would have taken in 2021 or 2022 should be taken now."

Mr Gargash said he did not believe Mr Netanyahu or another Israeli leader would be likely to renege on the promise to suspend the annexation plans.

The UAE has called on the Palestinian leadership to use this moment to reorganise its approach and prepare to re-engage in productive discussions with Israel.

In a statement issued after he attended the ceremony at the White House, former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair said the deals were "a massive and welcome opportunity to recast the politics of the region".

He said he understood Palestinian objections but that "in time, the Palestinian people will understand that it is only by radically changing strategy that the legitimate aspirations for a viable Palestinian state can be realised".
What's the background?

There is a backdrop of the regional rivalry between Saudi Arabia and Iran in these diplomatic moves.

The decades-old feud between them is exacerbated by religious differences. They each follow one of the two main branches of Islam - Iran is largely Shia Muslim, while Saudi Arabia sees itself as the leading Sunni Muslim power.

Why Saudi Arabia and Iran are bitter rivals
The UAE and Bahrain are both Saudi allies.

Saudi Arabia's response will be watched closely. There is no indication yet it is ready to follow Bahrain and the UAE.
Prior to the announcement of the UAE agreement in August - which included the suspension of Israel's controversial plans to annex parts of the occupied West Bank - Israel had had no diplomatic relations with Gulf Arab countries.

Last month saw the first official flight from Israel to the UAE, which was seen as a major step in normalising relations.
President Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner, who was on the plane, described the UAE deal as having "the ability to change the whole course of the Middle East".

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There should be policies and procedures to end the apartheid state that Israel has created.

Israel can and should exist. This shouldn’t come at the expense of displacing the Palestinian people.

We also shouldn’t allow international law to be built off of dogmatic religious texts.

We also shouldn’t allow individuals to try and force the hand of prophecy.

We also shouldn’t allow American foreign policy to be determined by those who believe these deals with Israel will bring about the rapture.

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BDS


What does this mean?



Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions

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(BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity.

Israel is occupying and colonising Palestinian land, discriminating against Palestinian citizens of Israel and denying Palestinian refugees the right to return to their homes. Inspired by the South African anti-apartheid movement, the BDS call urges action to pressure Israel to comply with international law.

BDS is now a vibrant global movement made up of unions, academic associations, churches and grassroots movements across the world. Since its launch in 2005, BDS is having a major impact and is effectively challenging international support for Israeli apartheid and settler-colonialism.


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BDS


What does this mean?


Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions
bdsmovement.net
The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is a Palestinian-led movement promoting boycotts, divestments and sanctions against Israel.Wikipedia
Abbreviation:BDS
Founder:Omar Barghouti, Ramy Shaat
Type:Non-profit organization

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This is a big deal for Middle East peace. thumbsup

Oh and you can tell CNN to shut up as they never cried one tear over BLM marching through the streets during the pandemic.

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I hope things are ok for him. He seems to have lost it.

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Wish Palenstine was involved but overall this is a positive sign i feel...


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
There should be policies and procedures to end the apartheid state that Israel has created.

Israel can and should exist. This shouldn’t come at the expense of displacing the Palestinian people.

We also shouldn’t allow international law to be built off of dogmatic religious texts.

We also shouldn’t allow individuals to try and force the hand of prophecy.

We also shouldn’t allow American foreign policy to be determined by those who believe these deals with Israel will bring about the rapture.


Are you for real? Stop with your pseudo-altruistic babbling. We have 2 Arab states sitting down with Israel negotiating a deal. Only a blind person can't see anything postive with that.


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
There should be policies and procedures to end the apartheid state that Israel has created.

Israel can and should exist. This shouldn’t come at the expense of displacing the Palestinian people.

We also shouldn’t allow international law to be built off of dogmatic religious texts.

We also shouldn’t allow individuals to try and force the hand of prophecy.

We also shouldn’t allow American foreign policy to be determined by those who believe these deals with Israel will bring about the rapture.


Are you for real? Stop with your pseudo-altruistic babbling. We have 2 Arab states sitting down with Israel negotiating a deal. Only a blind person can't see anything postive with that.


Agreed. This is some very positive news and I applaud Trump and the administration for their part in it. It's a shame that CNN only had it up for one day. I'm actually pretty surprised it's not gaining more traction on here too. I figured this would be something the left and right could agree on.


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its not gaining traction for the vast majority of of the country cause we don't give a damn about it right now.

it would be easy to praise under normal circumstances.

but as a veteran....i don't particular give two craps about this.

first off, we have a relationship with both these countries anyway. for god sakes, we got US military units "Deployed" to bahrain. but if anybody knew anything about our relationship with bahrain, they'd know us soldiers treat bahrain like a vacation. we're freaking allowed to drink (slightly) in that country and everything.

so them finally linking up is fine, but people are acting like they were dropping bombs on each other or something up until just now.

no.

y'all trashing CNN for what? they brought it up, but we got more pressing matters right now. ya know, like a 190k + people dead due to an ONGOING pandemic, rampant protest and riots across the country, environmental disasters happening all over the country, close to 20 mill unemployed, and countless other crap.

sorry if i don't give two craps about two countries that don't even exist in the same continent with the US normalizing relations. thats cool and all, but you know what would be better?

Trump punishing russia for bounties on our soldiers heads. instead, he tried to reward them by fighting to get them back into the G7.

could give a damn about israel or bahrain.


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hell, fox news barely covered it longer than CNN did, and they are already talking about other crap.

but yea, single out CNN.


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Wish Palenstine was involved but overall this is a positive sign i feel...


This is my concern. I mean any time you can get a peace deal done it's a step forward. The two nations involved have never really been "warring nations" with Israel however. I'm not sure you can describe something as a peace deal when the two nations were never at war with Israel. From my understanding to this point it's more of a trade deal than a peace deal.

But progress in such a volatile region is never a bad thing. Had it been a deal between Israel and Palestine it would be huge.


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