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He covers himself?

Should fit in fine with everyone else then.

Actually, I just looked him up, and evidently he was a WR in college, then converted to DB, starting with his time with the Jets, under one coach Mike Pettine.

so could he be our versus of what Troy Brown was in NE?

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Little is 6'2, 220# and Chancellor is 6'3, 230#. What's wrong with that idea? What would be wrong with exploring that idea? See if Little is up for the move to the defensive side of the ball.

Physically there is nothing wrong with it..... But from what I can tell, Greg Little has no experience as a DB, not even in HS.. and Kam Chancellor has been playing safety from HS... and to expect Greg Little to develop the instincts and technique it takes to play safety at the highest level of the NFL in a season or two is highly optimistic... not impossible I guess, but highly optimistic...

If Little makes a position move, it will be to TE. He is such a talented blocker that he would be a natural, and he could run simpler, shorter routes where he could really excel. Imagine a LB trying to cover Little.

I like it ...... it makes sense ...... so it will never happen.

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Oh, you didn't know,, he plays both ways LOL

I thought that was that DE from Missouri

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Oh, you didn't know,, he plays both ways LOL

I thought that was that DE from Missouri

I knew it, I just knew it,, Someone had to say it

JC

It's interesting to see what people want to do with Greg and position changes... I'm content with just getting him off this team and outta here. He can go let the fans down of some other organization.

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Oh, you didn't know,, he plays both ways LOL

I thought that was that DE from Missouri

I knew it, I just knew it,, Someone had to say it

yeah it was staring me in the face... wait a minute.... nevermind

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If Little makes a position move, it will be to TE. He is such a talented blocker that he would be a natural, and he could run simpler, shorter routes where he could really excel. Imagine a LB trying to cover Little.

I like this idea, and have mentioned before. Using him as a TE/H-back IMO would make sense. He has size, and is not afraid to hit someone. They could use him in motion, and use him on dump-offs and middle screens. He knows how to run, so I think it would be to his advantage. Him against LBs would be nice. The only problem is his hands.

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Little is 6'2, 220# and Chancellor is 6'3, 230#. What's wrong with that idea? What would be wrong with exploring that idea? See if Little is up for the move to the defensive side of the ball.

Physically there is nothing wrong with it..... But from what I can tell, Greg Little has no experience as a DB, not even in HS.. and Kam Chancellor has been playing safety from HS... and to expect Greg Little to develop the instincts and technique it takes to play safety at the highest level of the NFL in a season or two is highly optimistic... not impossible I guess, but highly optimistic...

We don't really know. Maybe he can be taught how to do it. Who knows? If he can't, look to trade him or cut him loose.

Why bother teach him when we could draft someone who has a a defensive skillset if we want a safety? Let's not try to give too much to our new coaching staff and overload them by having them work with someone from the ground up, especially since Little likely doesn't want to play on the defensive side...

I agree d_lb, why waste the time of the coaches on trying to change little? If anything I'd want him to play FB/RB

Now Little at RB or even TE (he can block) is something I don't see as mega far-fetched.

I'll just speak for myself though, I've done given up on the kid. He's depleted my hope for him...

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The former Purdue cornerback

OK, which is he .... a WR or a CB?

Well, how about this thought? Since Greg Little has problems catching the ball, put him on the defensive side of the ball, as a strong safety (a la Kam Chancellor) and teach him how to hit.

Little is 6'2, 220# and Chancellor is 6'3, 230#. What's wrong with that idea? What would be wrong with exploring that idea? See if Little is up for the move to the defensive side of the ball.

There is nothing wrong with it if there was some evidence he could do it. Did he ever play on any kick cover teams? Maybe try him there and see. He was a running back for a while at N.Carolina or N. Carolina St....can't remember which.

I maintained for many years that IMO we wasted a great opportunity by not putting Josh Cribbs in to a safety slot. He wasn't shy of contact, could tackle, and had ball skills good enough to be a super safety, but we insisted on using him as a receiver where his ball skills weren't quite good enough. As a defensive player he would have been very special IMO.

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Why bother teach him when we could draft someone who has a a defensive skillset if we want a safety? Let's not try to give too much to our new coaching staff and overload them by having them work with someone from the ground up, especially since Little likely doesn't want to play on the defensive side...

Why? Because he's big and catches like a DB. And he has enough of a defensive skillset. With the QBs (excluding Hoyer) that we had last season, he's had plenty of practice going from WR to DB.

Well, it shouldn't matter what the hell Little wants. He either tries to make the change or he can get traded or cut outright.

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What's wrong with that idea? What would be wrong with exploring that idea? See if Little is up for the move to the defensive side of the ball.

Greg Little is an idiot is what's wrong with that idea.

By all accounts, he's an extremely hard worker, but he's weak between the ears, in general and in crunch time.

Unless our talent level bumps him off the depth chart, let him play out his contract. You can win win Little as a fourth or fifth option.

But take the time to try and convert that kid to defense?

You don't throw good money at bad.

I mostly agree.

I doubt Little gets bumped off the roster this year, but my feeling is the guy is a pansey. He wouldn't make it as a defensive player. You can't be a pansey on that side of the ball.

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What's wrong with that idea? What would be wrong with exploring that idea? See if Little is up for the move to the defensive side of the ball.

Greg Little is an idiot is what's wrong with that idea.

By all accounts, he's an extremely hard worker, but he's weak between the ears, in general and in crunch time.

Unless our talent level bumps him off the depth chart, let him play out his contract. You can win win Little as a fourth or fifth option.

But take the time to try and convert that kid to defense?

You don't throw good money at bad.

Personally, I'd like to see him as a Running back. He's at least done that before.

he was a RB at North Carolina for a while, would love to see him try that here.

I unfortunately have to agree with you. I love Little, I really want him to be successful here, but he just does not have attention span to catch the ball. But some games he can just really go off. I don't know, there's just something wrong with him.

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I unfortunately have to agree with you. I love Little, I really want him to be successful here, but he just does not have attention span to catch the ball. But some games he can just really go off. I don't know, there's just something wrong with him.

Watch the second Baltimore game. His ability is built on emotion, when he's feeling it, he's great, but then he's also SUPER emotional (penalties, relatiation, etc)

Edwards always had the problem of not catching the easy pass because it didn't require super duper concentration. I don't think Little is as bad, and again, people forget he's still LEARNING to play WR basically..

I think he can be a solid #2 going forward, and guy I'd love in the Slot actually, because when you do get him the ball in space he is good..

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I unfortunately have to agree with you. I love Little, I really want him to be successful here, but he just does not have attention span to catch the ball. But some games he can just really go off. I don't know, there's just something wrong with him.

Watch the second Baltimore game. His ability is built on emotion, when he's feeling it, he's great, but then he's also SUPER emotional (penalties, relatiation, etc)

Edwards always had the problem of not catching the easy pass because it didn't require super duper concentration. I don't think Little is as bad, and again, people forget he's still LEARNING to play WR basically..

I think he can be a solid #2 going forward, and guy I'd love in the Slot actually, because when you do get him the ball in space he is good..

Man am I glad you're not the GM.

Little is a bum, and has proven to be a bum since he's been here.

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I unfortunately have to agree with you. I love Little, I really want him to be successful here, but he just does not have attention span to catch the ball. But some games he can just really go off. I don't know, there's just something wrong with him.

Watch the second Baltimore game. His ability is built on emotion, when he's feeling it, he's great, but then he's also SUPER emotional (penalties, relatiation, etc)

Edwards always had the problem of not catching the easy pass because it didn't require super duper concentration. I don't think Little is as bad, and again, people forget he's still LEARNING to play WR basically..

I think he can be a solid #2 going forward, and guy I'd love in the Slot actually, because when you do get him the ball in space he is good..

Man am I glad you're not the GM.

Little is a bum, and has proven to be a bum since he's been here.

Yeah.. Because keeping the guy on the roster is such a stupid idea.. Good thing we cut him..

Oh wait.. He's still on the roster..

And he'll be a free agent next year, and either well keep him, or someone else will sign him..

But I guess that just means everyone else is a "bum" too..

he is a FA next year huh?

well, with a (hopefully) new QB coming in, the FO might keep this guy and see how he responds with another QB, hopefully a situation where we aren't a revolving door at that position this season coming up.

Agreed.

While he has disappointed he has also shown flashes and he is a beast to bring down.

Last year on contract, new QB and staff... we could cut him, create another hole and have some dead cap money or we could keep him for one more year and see if the light comes on.

I say one more shot, we have enough holes to fill , he is still servicable.

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Man am I glad you're not the GM.

I wish that stupid phrase would be disallowed on this board. It's a lame insult that does nothing to aide the conversation. You are basically calling someone stupid.

How about this? I disagree w/you on Little because [insert reasons here].

Wouldn't that be a more effective way to debate a particular topic?

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I say one more shot...

Agreed...at least until he exhausts his "potential".

How many shots you guys need to give someone whose played three seasons and still has the same resume? Inconsistent and stone handed?

Although I do know of the 'flashes' you speak of, it's no good if there isn't any balance or consistency. But a thought just popped up into my head. If coach is "going to hold players accountable" - then maybe we should keep Greg. I'd be most anxious to see how Pettine handles that situation. Mean of me to say perhaps, but I'd love to see Mike right in Greg's face after a drop, seeing the spit and slobber coming from just before he tells Greg he's going to be benched...

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How many shots you guys need to give someone whose played three seasons and still has the same resume? Inconsistent and stone handed?

Although I do know of the 'flashes' you speak of, it's no good if there isn't any balance or consistency. But a thought just popped up into my head. If coach is "going to hold players accountable" - then maybe we should keep Greg. I'd be most anxious to see how Pettine handles that situation. Mean of me to say perhaps, but I'd love to see Mike right in Greg's face after a drop, seeing the spit and slobber coming from just before he tells Greg he's going to be benched...

Oh I agree he time is running short and i really do not expect him to improve much, but I think releasing him, gives us another slot to fill, geates dead cap money and I just think we have more pressing needs.

My guess is Pettine will be the kind not to take mental errors very well.

And he has enough of a defensive skillset.

I'm confused just where did you see this skill set. All you got are his physical numbers and saying he can play. Its not that easy of a transition for a College Safety let alone a kid who has played WR. I mean you want him in some Prevent Defense packages? I guess so.

As for Little. He's got one year to prove his worth. He is confusing cause one game Norv Turner called him out and he looked like a Pro-Bowler.

I mean Greg what happened with the other 15 games???

Lucky for him we once again have another new OC who will want to decide on what he sees and Little has another chance to impress. Which for some reason he seemed to do so in training camp last year which those glowing reports had us all excited. Will Hoyer starting get him emotional in a positive way? Will drafting a legit Franchise QB at #4 get him excited???

Don't know...what I do know he has one more season to prove himself. I mean if we had an over load of talent at WR I would say sorry Little got to make room and cut you...But last I looked we did not. So he should be here - I would be pretty shocked if he was not.

What will happen? your guess is as good as mine. I know he has the skill set to actually be a great WR. Will he? He has shown us both ends of that spectrum.

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I'm confused just where did you see this skill set.

I explained that. You didn't care for it it so you sliced this tiny bit out. Typical out-of-context hatchet-work by many of the folks here.

He became a defender often enough with the QBs that he had throwing the ball.

Now, could you go back to being an misrepresenting ass.

You didn't care for it it so you sliced this tiny bit out.

So true...I didn't really slice it out cause I didn't care for it...I just didn't read into it cause I did pooh pooh the notion. But you called it on the head

I'll try to give it a better look over the weekend.

But guys like Cribbs a UDFA who was a QB in college looking for a position and had a history of great play in coverage on special teams. I can see somebody making a case for him having the skill set for a Safety. Little? Outside of a couple of returns I didn't see him with any skill set. So if you saw some and described it. I will be shocked if you had a good read on it. So my bad for the general assumption I made. I will check it out and if the point is even close. I will definitely give you props. Until then. I won't comment on it anymore

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Man am I glad you're not the GM.

I wish that stupid phrase would be disallowed on this board. It's a lame insult that does nothing to aide the conversation. You are basically calling someone stupid.

How about this? I disagree w/you on Little because [insert reasons here].

Wouldn't that be a more effective way to debate a particular topic?

Good grief, this board gets it's feelz hurt pretty easily. Pretty sad considering most of you are grown men.

How about this: I disagree with you on Little because he's played like a bum from the MOMENT he came to Cleveland. He's done nothing in his 3 yrs with the Browns to make me EVER think he'll be a good player. The first thing a WR must be able to do in the NFL is catch a pass, and little sucks at that.

That better?

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I unfortunately have to agree with you. I love Little, I really want him to be successful here, but he just does not have attention span to catch the ball. But some games he can just really go off. I don't know, there's just something wrong with him.

Watch the second Baltimore game. His ability is built on emotion, when he's feeling it, he's great, but then he's also SUPER emotional (penalties, relatiation, etc)

Edwards always had the problem of not catching the easy pass because it didn't require super duper concentration. I don't think Little is as bad, and again, people forget he's still LEARNING to play WR basically..

I think he can be a solid #2 going forward, and guy I'd love in the Slot actually, because when you do get him the ball in space he is good..

Man am I glad you're not the GM.

Little is a bum, and has proven to be a bum since he's been here.

Yeah.. Because keeping the guy on the roster is such a stupid idea.. Good thing we cut him..

Oh wait.. He's still on the roster..

And he'll be a free agent next year, and either well keep him, or someone else will sign him..

But I guess that just means everyone else is a "bum" too..

I think it's a dumb idea because he sucks. I'd rather get a player that can catch the football than waste a roster spot on a guy who has had 3 years to turn his game around and he hasn't be able to do so. Nothing personal against Little, but he plays like a bum.

I think that Little really lucked out with Bess losing his mind. I don't think we can cut two of our starting receivers from last year, given the other needs to have throughout the roster.

I'd like to hang onto Little, and make sure he gets pushed down to #3 WR with our offseason acquisitions. Once Little does get the ball in his hands, he's awesome. Also, the idea to make him into a TE would be a cool project. In my noob opinion, if Cameron can learn the position, so can Little. Also, Little has shown he can pack on the muscle (his first year), and really beef up, if he needs to.

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I think that Little really lucked out with Bess losing his mind. I don't think we can cut two of our starting receivers from last year, given the other needs to have throughout the roster.

I'd like to hang onto Little, and make sure he gets pushed down to #3 WR with our offseason acquisitions. Once Little does get the ball in his hands, he's awesome. Also, the idea to make him into a TE would be a cool project. In my noob opinion, if Cameron can learn the position, so can Little. Also, Little has shown he can pack on the muscle (his first year), and really beef up, if he needs to.

I don't think the issue with Little is "learing the position". Little made great strides in running routes imho. The problem is he can't catch the ball consistently. At some point it isn't something that can be taught. Either you have "it" or not and I don't think Little has it for whatever reason. Guy just drops balls.

I meant learning to play tight end.

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I meant learning to play tight end.

I hear ya.. but we'd still want him to catch the ball right? I'm sure there are much better blocking TEs out there that can catch as well as Little can (which isn't great).

Doesn't a TE run simpler routes? Also, he could have better matchups, and get the ball with a little more space to work.

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And he'll be a free agent next year, and either well keep him, or someone else will sign him..

I must say this thought, as "duh" as it may be, is not one that crossed my mind... making me think twice about my strong "just get him outta here" mindset as dead cap money and etc. Very valid point.

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And he'll be a free agent next year, and either well keep him, or someone else will sign him..

I must say this thought, as "duh" as it may be, is not one that crossed my mind... making me think twice about my strong "just get him outta here" mindset as dead cap money and etc. Very valid point.

Not to mention he's still our second best receiver...

Again Little is a 2nd round pick WR we are not looking for a position for him. Either he makes it as a WR this year or he is gone. That's the way it is.

UDFA guys like a Cribbs or guess what the kid on our team Marquis Gray? TE he was a college QB who was looking for a position to play...TE is the one he settled on.

But those are the ones you change...now if this kid Gray had explosion and hops and kicks but on coverage team I'm thinking wow what about a 250 lb SS...lol

But my point is he is a kid looking for a position much as was Cribbs.

Little, he's a WR or a bust one or the other. This is his last shot.

jmho

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Doesn't a TE run simpler routes? Also, he could have better matchups, and get the ball with a little more space to work.

I think that Little does batter catching the ball where he can see the QB and the ball in the whole way. He's not a guy who is comfortable with catching the ball over his shoulder, on out cuts where the ball gets up on him in a hurry, and so on. I also wonder if he might need a vision check up.

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Doesn't a TE run simpler routes? Also, he could have better matchups, and get the ball with a little more space to work.

It could work but I just don't think the routes are the issue or the matchups. I saw him drop passes that were right on the money with no one around! The guy is a drop machine and it's hard for our QB to have any confidence in someone like that. Just like Bess this last year... the drops really hurt.

Also, it's not like we have anything really invested in Little at this point. I think he's a FA, we are bringing in a new offensive scheme and it's very likely we'll have a new starting QB.

I think we should wait and take a look at the full pool of FA WRs and decide if there is anyone worth bringing in. If we do that I think Little will probably be someone we'd pass on. Guess we'll see what happens though... it's Farmer's decision now.

He's a FA next year.

I don't understand the rush to cut Little. We have plenty of cap space, so it's not like we have to cut him in order to get under the cap. He has also showed potential in his time with us, he is not Brian Robiskie.

Let the new coaches get a look at Little during the off-season. If he shows no improvement cut him after training camp.

i say keep greg little.

1) he tries, and tries hard. he will be a great example to any young WRs we bring in. i saw him at camp, hell i expected him to be our most improved player. maybe not, but hes a good attitude to have in the locker room when you are trying to install new coaching.

2) he isnt horrible horrible. i mean yeah, the drops are ridiculous, but he as a 3rd or 4th WR would certainly not be a bad thing.

3) oddly, i think little is better in the slot than wide. he seems to catch better when he has defenders nearby, which is pretty strange. maybe im wrong, it just seemed that way to me.

4) until you have some one better to replace him, you dont replace him

Keeping Little is a no brainer. He only makes 1mil and is still solid depth. No need to get trigger happy here

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I think it's a dumb idea because he sucks. I'd rather get a player that can catch the football than waste a roster spot on a guy who has had 3 years to turn his game around and he hasn't be able to do so. Nothing personal against Little, but he plays like a bum.

I tend to agree with you AD4MVP.

Had Little shown some defensive abilty beyond defensive skill on a pick play, like Cribbs did, I might agree, but I have seen nothing that would make me feel good about putting Little at safety.

My attitude could change if we actually did it and he showed something, but I doubt it happens.

I don't mind if the guy makes the team again. If he is one of the top 4-5 receivers, then he is, but I don't see going out of the way to find ways to keep him on the team.

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Keeping Little is a no brainer. He only makes 1mil and is still solid depth. No need to get trigger happy here

While my previous comment might seem contrary, I agree with that. I don't want to get rid of him just to get rid of him. Somebody has to be better than him.

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I have seen nothing that would make me feel good about putting Little at safety.

He does knock down a lot of passes, though.

I don't know about the guy. He has some talent. I would like to see him flourish, but wonder if he has the right temperament for the game. He is so damn emotional on the field...and not in a good way. He freaks out when the qb overthrows him. He hangs his head if he drops one. His body language says it all. I don't think he is wrapped too tight.

He is the polar opposite of Gordon. Gordon often displays an "I don't care" attitude or at least projects an aura of nonchalance. Little is the guy who is screaming......."OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!!! all the time.

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Keeping Little is a no brainer. He only makes 1mil and is still solid depth. No need to get trigger happy here

I think we should keep him...for now.

However, we are light years away from a 'no-brainer' in regards to keeping him.

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I want the change the subject slightly from a fairly inconsequential signing to anticipate what could be developing in free agency. Some other posters, who, I don't recall, mentioned Toby Gerhart as a possible target. I didn't know much about him at the time but after looking at him he would be a valuable addition to this offense. He's already NFL proven, not a lot of tread wear on the body. Physically punishing runner and good hands out of the RB position. If we could put him in rotation with some other capable backs, maybe get another guy in round 3-5 that would be great RB depth. Cleveland could be attractive to him. There's probably more money available here than NYG or SF;both reported to have and interest, could offer as well as more touches available as a Brown. Then if the team could just add a quality guard and resign Mack and Ward...FA done, move on to the draft.

With my limited fan knowledge, that's what I would do.

He means only 1mil for the last year left on his contract. If he fails, we don't have to burn any cap money and then he's 100% on the mercy of the market. I'm sure some team would snag him for something a LITTLE over league min, or equal to a league min contract.

Nevertheless, the point it's his last year, I say we keep him. Find someone another WR to truly compete opposite of Flash and make Little a #3. If by 1/4 of the way through the season, if he isn't producing, I say it's Cooper's time to come in permanently and it'll be the last time we see Greg barring an injury free season to the WR's....

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He means only 1mil for the last year left on his contract. If he fails, we don't have to burn any cap money and then he's 100% on the mercy of the market. I'm sure some team would snag him for something a LITTLE over league min, or equal to a league min contract.

Nevertheless, the point it's his last year, I say we keep him. Find someone another WR to truly compete opposite of Flash and make Little a #3. If by 1/4 of the way through the season, if he isn't producing, I say it's Cooper's time to come in permanently and it'll be the last time we see Greg barring an injury free season to the WR's....

I agree...I'd like to see him get yet-another chance.

I'm just saying it's not a no-brainer to keep the guy. If the new guys think he needs to go, it won't be a surprise or disappointment to see him out of chances here.

I'd still like to see him at TE before we give up on him altogether.