the most likely way to get Eric Berry in Cleveland

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in a division where we have Polamalu and Ed Reed...I think the chance to draft an Eric Berry is the move that could do like the Jets did...make a move and get a player that immediately legitimaizes the teams unit (in this case the defense)

Yea mays, haden, and such players could make the defense better...i think Berry would make it elite.

How can we get him.

is it too much to give up a 3rd to move to 5?
a 2nd to move to 3?
what if Seattle wants him and we decide to make a move? what do we give up?

Im asking what would we have to give up to get him....not what else can we do.

I think that if we dont make a move to get Eric Berry we're making a mistake.

Big mistake?

I don't understand this premise with drafting Cb, S, WR, and LB in the top 10..its not smart

your most likely picking in the top 10 because your OL and DL are utter garbage....BOTH are true for the Browns

The Browns right side of our Ol is a turnstile

our DL outside of Rogers is old and garbage

our short list at #7 should be DL Suh, DL McCoy, OT Okung

one of those 3 above will be there, and all three of them address a NEED this team has BIG TIME

with a Solid Front 7 and a Solid OL you can win with later round picks at CB and S....

I personally think Okung has the best chance of being there for us at #7 and will be a great pick and a great player...you can't go wrong with OL

Go Okung #7 Move Pashos to RG

in the 2nd draft your McCoy, Tebow, <insert QB name here>

then your got an OL

LT:Thomas
LG:Steinbach
C:Mack
RG:Pashos
RT:Okung

now you got a good OL to run behind and protect your young QB and you can have a chance to actually win some games for a change,

Pit - Per http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/OT.php Bulaga and Williams ard 314# and 315# respectively.

B&B - I think most of us feel Okung is better suited for LT. I also think most feel he will be long gone. LT is a top 2 need for Det, Wash, KC and Sea. I see no way the consensus top LT falls to us. So the point is moot.

cfrs15 - A lot of people on here question the fit for Suh in a 3-4. And I am not sure but I think Nebraska played a lot of 3-4. Even if they didn't they had their d-line play with those principals. Suh wasn't asked to be a penetrator. His job was to read and react. And still he made all those plays behind the line of scrimmage. Suh can play in ANY defensive scheme and thrive.

Some other random thoughts:

Trading for Brown does not preclude drafting Haden. Brown is no spring chicken. We still need a young Cb. In my mind what the acquisition of Brown does to our draft plans is make the decision between Berry and Haden much simpler. And it makes the thought of trading down and missing on Haden (and Kyle Wilson) much more palatable.

As for Clausen, I am not really interested in drafting him. I am not an ND hater and I have no football "facts" to support this opinion. Just a gut feeling.

I dont think big mistake...

but look at Pittsburgh defense without Troy Polamalu, its mediocre at best. With him its an elite unit. Id say the same for Ed Reed and Baltimore. I just think that Eric Berry would do the same for our defense.

I think Okung and McClain would also be great picks for us. but not as Elite as Eric Berry. I think he would give us the Mark Sanchez wow factor. With Sheldon and Wright, and Elam (who would look better because of it) and Berry our secondary matches NYJ.

Our OL i think is ok with Prok Chop and Pashos. Also we can draft a later guy like Mike Johnson for our OL. Look at our biggest needs and where we can address them.

Berry in the first...also Earl Thomas if we can move down...our secondary is still not very good. Its improving and Berry makes it elite. Thomas makes it better but not elite.

We can get OL in the 2nd - 4th...
We can find DL in the 3rd - 5th (see Ahtyba Rubin)

Eric Berry is a game CHANGER...the other guys make us better, but they arent game changers. Thats why I say him. and we have enough late round picks to give up to make a move for him.

Or what if we gave up DQ and a late pick to say TB or KC...and i think we become an elite D.

I still do

The Steelers are good because of that very good 3-4 Front 7..it MAKES Polamalu....

The Steelers collapse last year wasn't justbecause of Troy...Aaron Smith (Their Best DL) was hurt most of the year, this effected Harrison and woodley who had trouble getting the pressure they normally get.

Troy Benefits from a very very good Steelers pass rush...the Steelers Front 7 harrasses QB the entire game...this allows Troy to do what he does.

our Defensive Front 7 is trash outside of Rogers....Rubun is an above average DL but other then that...we have no other game changing Front 7 players.....

This team needs a Julius Peppers, a Reggie White, and Greg Lloyd type of impact front 7 player...that wreck havoc in the backfield...we don't have that...

Berry is not going to help with that..when the Qb has 7 seconds to throw the ball forget about it....Berry's college team the Volunteers has a pretty god defensive front 7 down there...he doesn't do it all alone...

if the Browns even had an average front 7 i wouldn't mind taking Berry, but the Browns front 7 is awful.....

If McCoy or Suh is there...takem em...if not you go Okung and finish fixing the OL then next year you can focus very heavy on Defensive help.....

You have to have a good OL and D Front 7 to win consistently in this league...the Browns have neither.....

an OL of:

LT- Thomas
LG- Steinbach
C-Mack
RG- Pashos
RT- Okung

means we will be able to protect our QB and run the darn ball with hillis...this alone will help our defense alot in itself...

if we can get Suh or McCoy imagine

DE- Rogers
NT- Rubin
DE Suh/McCoy

with Coleman and others as depth...then DQ, Okung, and Fajita can actually roam around and cause some real havoc on D......we need help on both of our lines desperately..it doesn't make sense to take a safety....

Eric Berry is not going to help our run D which is garbage, and you can't play Berry in the box the whole game...

I got mine here................

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

...........But it was updated and reflects exactly the numbers you have now.

I honestly believe that the top half of the first round is kind of high for a RT unless we drop down though. RT's don't require quite the same skill set as your LT does with a right handed QB. A LT for a left handed QB is much more like your RT.

(see Kevin Shaffer for a refrance) lmao

So I'm of the opinion that if we drop down we'll get "their 1st" (whoever they turn out to be) lol and another high pick with which we could draft a RT.

I mean even if Berry is gone at #7 we could drop down to pick up Taylor Mays if Berry is gone at #7.

Seems to me in our situation trading down and getting another high pick would make more sense than moving up to get Berry. And IMO Mays is one monster of a S.

jmho

I disagree KOB. I think Polamalu is what makes that front 7 that much better.

I certainly see your point. But, when he was out, they didn't have a S back there who could take away so much field. So, they had to drop guys back, maybe not be as aggressive with the rush.

With Troy back there, they can send everything and the kitchen sink, knowing he is fast enough and good enough to clean things up.

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I disagree KOB. I think Polamalu is what makes that front 7 that much better.

I certainly see your point. But, when he was out, they didn't have a S back there who could take away so much field. So, they had to drop guys back, maybe not be as aggressive with the rush.

With Troy back there, they can send everything and the kitchen sink, knowing he is fast enough and good enough to clean things up.

Bingo. I resisted it for a long time ... made excuse after excuse because I didn't want to admit it ... but Polamalu is one of the best football players I have ever seen. This past season was nothing but a season long confirmation of that.

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I disagree KOB. I think Polamalu is what makes that front 7 that much better.

I certainly see your point. But, when he was out, they didn't have a S back there who could take away so much field. So, they had to drop guys back, maybe not be as aggressive with the rush.

With Troy back there, they can send everything and the kitchen sink, knowing he is fast enough and good enough to clean things up.

I know it appears that way, but its not.

Aaron Smith is the BESt 3-4 Defensive End in football. He is where Richard Seymour was 4 or 5 year ago... the guy is bar none the best 3-4 DE in football right now... Casey Hampton clearly lost 2 steps last year..

when you lose a player the Caliber of smith on your Defensive Line coupled with a clearly run down Hampton..the Front 7 suffered badly...

The Steelers never got the pressure they did once Smith went down...Smith is every bit as vital to that Defense as Troy is...Smith helps them to control the LOS and penetrate into the backfield...this allows the OLB (Harrison and Woodley) to get the match ups the need to bring pressure....

Most of the Steelers sacks come from rushing only 5 guys...they can do this because of smith....losing Smith last year decimated them....

I am not saying Troy is not a good player, I think Troy is a Top 2 safety in this entire league...but in terms of 3-4 ends Aaron smith is probably the best...losing a guy like that is vital to the success of your 3-4 DL and that was a dagger in their heart...the guy can flat out play but never gets any recognition...

I know its not flashy, i know its not "sexy" but the Browns must fix their OL and their DL before they do anything else or its pointless.....

if Okung is there ya take him..your happy with joe Thomas aren't ya? well then whats the big deal...

I think Okung has the best chance of being there at #7 and its the smart pick to make....

this will allow us to "impose our will" on teams at the LOS in the running game and for once in the last 10 years we won't have to put 100% of the game on the back of our QB

The Okung pick will look real good come november and December when were cramming the ball down the Steelers throats on the Ground with Hillis and Harrison controling the game and keeping our D rested and fresh...

I can just see our OL and DL need help badly...i would prefer McCoy or Suh because they would have instant impact...both those guys can penetrate and are stout against the run and would allow DQ, Fajita, Roth, and Gokong to just run around with reckless abandon.....

I think we could get Taylor Mayes in the 2nd and I am really high on the kid...he will be great value and the kid can flat out play.....

I dont disagree with ya KOB...my wonderment upon these statements...

what if we make a move and grab berry (and give a up a 3rd or 4th) and in the 2nd round we grab a tackle, like an Iupati (to move to RT or play RG and let Pashos be RT)), or Anthony Davis...or another guy who has superb upside on the right side of a line.

I think...youre undervaluing Pork Chop and Pashos as a viable right side...will it be the best OL in history...no, but it will be very much good enough to become a very good OL in the AFCN

i think Berry and a 2nd rd Right side OL looks better to me than Earl Thomas, or Taylor Mays and an Okung...

you take our DL...and go Coleman, Rubin, and Rogers (providing he isnt suspended) and i think thats a very good DL...plus Mosley and were ok.

I know solidifying the lines is a high priority with you, and i agree...but i think theyre better off than it seems.

your entire idea hinges on pashos playing guard, something he is merely projected to do....since he's started at every level at right tackle. he's too slow to pull, which is his main knock....foot speed. a bruising run blocker though....

now, since okung will absolutely not be there...see the mcnabb trade, then we're certainly not reaching for bulaga if berry or haden are there. calloway could come in and start next year at RG, and we'll assess pashos then.

berry, haden, morgan are in play. mcclain is an afterthought as well, given we're now sitting on 12 linebackers on the roster. 1st pick is defense, as there's no offensive players that project the value that the defensive guys have at the top.

i wouldn't be completely against okung if he's there, but thats some expensive insurance. we'd have the best, and most expensive offensive line in the league.

If Berry is gone you hope to find a trade partner and trade down a few slots and draft Iupati. If you can't find a trade partner to trade down you take Iupati with the 7th pick. I think he's the best OL in the draft and for arguments sake the next best OL behind Okung. Iupati would fill an immediate need at RG and possibly move to RT if Pashos doesn't pan out or gets injured.

LT Thomas
LG Steinbach
C Mack
RG Iupati
RT Pashos

If we take Berry with the 7th pick I would still love to see the front office trade back up and select Iupati. Berry and Iupati are the two players that absolutely must be Cleveland Browns...

j/c

Not trying to change the subject, but in terms of drafting him I don't see him as a "must pick" for us if he doesn't fall. We still have another viable option that may be posted here but I just overlooked.

If Berry is gone, in all likelihood Hayden would still be there.

We all know Sheldon Brown isn't the long term solution at CB. He's one helluva hard hitter too. From everything I've been reading and have seen, Hayden has every shot there is to be our long term answer at the CB position.

I believe you could draft Hayden and slide Berry over to the FS position and do very well with that arrangement without moving up or doing anything as far as a "need" for Berry.

jmho

Hey Pit I think you meant to say slide Sheldon Brown over to Safety if we select Hayden. I agree with you completely.

That's it exactly!

I'm getting to the age I always know what I want to say, it just doesn't always come out that way.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't today the day the Berry is supposed to come in for his workout with the Browns?

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Per a league source, Berry is in Cleveland today to meet with the Browns and will follow that up with a trip to Tampa to talk with the Buccaneers on Sunday.

National Football Post

Here's another interesting quote from the article...

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Another interesting nugget to add to this story is that there’s a rumor floating around that the Browns have told Berry they don’t think he will be available when they pick at No. 7.

It really does seem that the lowest that Berry will go is #7.

This is purely hypothetical. But let's assume a good team with a surplus of draft picks like New England or Philadelphia wants Berry. 10+ rookies are not going to make a Patriots or Eagles squad. And the Browns now have a history of moving down in the draft. I wonder if a) the Browns would trade out of #7 if Berry was there and b) what it would take to do so.

I think the more likely scenario is for us to trade up with the Redskins to ensure we get Berry.

NE will more likely trade draft picks in this draft for draft picks in next years draft. They seem to do that every year, which is why they may have 10 draft picks, but only 6 rookies or so.

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Another interesting nugget to add to this story is that there’s a rumor floating around that the Browns have told Berry they don’t think he will be available when they pick at No. 7.

Boy, that's news!

I think it's telling the kid he is worth higher than the #7.

Cause I think he'll be there....................

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I think it's telling the kid he is worth higher than the #7.

Oh great. That'll really help during contract negotiations.

all we need to do is hope that Seattle and Kansas City both take the tackles instead of Berry (Bulaga and Williams) which I think is realistic but not certain at all of course. Cross your fingers that they do. If he's not there then we are either gonna have to trade down for less value than the pick is worth, or we're gonna reach for a guy like Earl Thomas, Jared Odrick, etc.

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Here's my question...

I feel like the general consensus is that Eric Berry would be the best pickup for the Browns...If not....its who i want more than anyone in the draft.

Chances are that he wont be there at #7, as Seattle, KC, and TB all have been linked to drafting Berry in mock drafts all over the place.

So...where are we going to have to trade up to?
and what will we have to give up to get there? Thoughts? Ideas?

We would probably have to trade up to the #2 spot in order to get Berry because, KC, & Seattle may both want him and Washington want's their own pick for their LT, another JT. That leaves the possibilty of Tampa, but I don't see them letting one of the two DT's getting by them, so that leaves the Lions.

To make that deal (according to the trade value chart) we would have to give up 7 picks; our second, 3 thirds and 3 fifths = 1100 points the difference between the value of our #7 (1500) to their #2 (2600), that's just way to steep for an unproven safety.

Just take the BPA, like MH said in his news conference with fans, whoever we have rated the highest of who's left on the board or make a trade down if possible. As long as it's not to one sided like last year.

I'm not sure, but that player could be Classuen, depending on his pro day workout, if he looks almost as good or just as good as Bradford, we would be stupid not to take him.

I am against trading up for a safety. I want Berry but I want him at 7 not #2. I also am in the minority that he falls. I think he falls to us at 7.

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I am against trading up for a safety. I want Berry but I want him at 7 not #2. I also am in the minority that he falls. I think he falls to us at 7.

if he does fall to us at 7...ill do cartwheels in the street

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I am against trading up for a safety. I want Berry but I want him at 7 not #2. I also am in the minority that he falls. I think he falls to us at 7.

it really depends on Seattle, I think.

St. Louis - shocking if they don't pick Bradford.
Detroit - shocking if they don't pick DT or LT (Suh or McCoy most likely)
TB - shocking if they don't pick other DT
Washington - shocking if they don't pick LT or trade down

KC - Pioli still goes by the Belicheck value of picks and they just didn't believe in drafting S's high. We'll see if Berry fits under their "special" player provision where he ignores his value chart (belicheck mentioned this is why they picked Mayo high despite him being an ILB).

They need a LT.

Seattle - this is the big question pick. Here are their most likely picks in no particular order (IMO)

Claussen - Whitehurst is probably not the answer though it would be strange to use that many draft picks on 2 QBs in the same draft. But, Claussen still should be on the board for them if they think that he can be a franchise QB.

LT - could be Okung, Trent Williams, Buluga or Anthony Davis. At least one will almost assuredly be gone and possibly up to 3 of them (if Detroit goes LT and let's one of the DTs slip). They really need a Walter Jones replacement as he is getting older and injury prone, so this should be their focus if they feel the talent is there.

McCoy - I don't see Suh slipping this far, but McCoy could if Detroit goes LT. KC probably doesn't pick a more suited 4-3 DT and one would think Washington is going to protect McNabb.

Berry - I think Carroll wants that offense to get better first despite that he is a defensive coach. Seattle has a decent base of talent on defense but really needs some talent infusion on offense (OL, RB, WR, and QB with Hasselbeck near the end). However, I also don't think he will ignore talent.

If McCoy is gone, he doesn't believe in Claussen, and one of his top2 choices at LT are not available, then Berry is his choice.

But, that's a lot of if's, which means Berry can slip to us.

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Berry - I think Carroll wants that offense to get better first despite that he is a defensive coach. Seattle has a decent base of talent on defense but really needs some talent infusion on offense (OL, RB, WR, and QB with Hasselbeck near the end). However, I also don't think he will ignore talent.

Just a suggestion here.......................

.......................Carroll CAN get a high caliber LT at #6 this year which is a very unusual and unique thing IMO

He can also come back at #14 and get "his guy from USC" in Taylor Mays at #14. Mays is a super freak with his combination of size and speed, not to mention he has already been coached by Carrol and would fit in seamlessly into Carroll's system from day one.

Just sayin.......

I hope you are right, but if USC fans were completely frustrated with Taylor this past season, I cannot even imagine the frustration Carroll had with him.

speaking of carroll...

Seatlle has been oft-linked to taking Berry one spot ahead of us...and that would be the ultimate bummer in my opinion...

if we offered one of our 5th or one of our 3rds...would it be worth it to move up the one spot it would take to grab him if Seattle is trying to take him? or do you think they would wait til their later pick and try to take Earl Thomas?

If we are going to trade for Berry we have to get in front of both Kansas City and Seattle. Meaning we'd have to trade with Washington, who would probably be a willing partner.

Hopefully Berry just falls to us and we don't have to worry about trading up.