NFL Draft Discussion Day 2 - DawgTalkers.net

Well we both know that is not saying much but for the Browns to finally address that right side of the line is huge!

j/c
I thought schwartz was rated the 5th or 6th best tackle in the draft?

was there a run on OT's?

Obviously it's subjective but NFL.com had 7 currently undrafted, rated higher.

he's played both right and left so thats useful, plus looks like he's pretty good in pass protection and not just a road grader

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Obviously it's subjective but NFL.com had 7 currently undrafted, rated higher.

that's a lot of people.. it looked like he is wearing knee braces. does he have bad knees or something?

This draft just went from a "B" in my book to an "A+". Three solid starters, including one at quarterback. Awesome, Awesome, job by our front office. Hoping we get a big time receive now. May turn to free agency for that..

nevermind... he had a back injury that required surgery

Jets going Hill with this pick.

I wish there was some how we could move up, get one of those WRs. That would make this draft special.

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Yes he is.

exhale!

Only way to do that is trade next year's 2nd round pick.

Jets take Hill

J/C

I plead ignorance about Schwartz. I don't know enough about him and Olinemen to say he should or shouldn't be taken over others.

I am starting to feel weary about our WRs (as most are) and also that we won't have any major upgrades to our defense. I realize we can't draft everyone and our offense is pitiful; it is what it is.

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j/c
I thought schwartz was rated the 5th or 6th best tackle in the draft?

was there a run on OT's?

He's a smart football player and he might not have rated as high as some others, I think we drafted a starter at RT here.

I knew he was out of our range and would be reaching for him a bit at 37, but I liked the pick before the Combine and I like the player too.

thanks for the info because I knew nothing about him.

Reach? This is a 5 year old on a chair trying to get to the cookie jar kind of reach.

You have access to the Browns board?

Nope, just an opinion, like everyone else on this site.

I'll be really intersted to read why they went with Schwartz instead of some of the other tackles out there.

I was listening to the radio and they said this is one of the deepest WR draft classes in quite awhile. I bet we could snag Posey in the 3rd.

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I was listening to the radio and they said this is one of the deepest WR draft classes in quite awhile. I bet we could snag Posey in the 3rd.

I've heard the same thing which is why i'm not surprised we went tackle in the second...

however, I REALLY hope the next time we pick we're taking a WR...

Edit: and if we're picking a Big Ten WR I think I'd rather have Toon if he's tere.

Chicago is a superbowl contender next year

They were a Super Bowl contender last year before Cutler went down.

These are the same things that were said about taking guys like TJ Ward in the 2nd.

The two drafts before that this front office has had has given us ...

Joe Haden
TJ Ward
Colt McCoy (who, say what you want, started 1 1/2 years for us)
Shawn Luauvo
Phil Taylor
Jabaal Sheard
Greg Little

And now Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden and Mitchell Schwartz

Have you guys ever stopped to think that MAYBE this front office knows what they're doing?

And I bet we'd be laughed at for it. There are probably 7 or 8 WRs that should go before him. He'll be available in 4 for sure, maybe even 5.

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I was listening to the radio and they said this is one of the deepest WR draft classes in quite awhile. I bet we could snag Posey in the 3rd.

I like Posey in the 4th or 5th.

I actually think Posey could be a steal in this draft.

But, if we're going WR in the 3rd, I hope it's Nick Toon.

Man it would be great if Sanu made it to the 3rd round.

Heck, Randle might be around by the looks of it.

I'm a Greg Childs man myself

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They were a Super Bowl contender last year before Cutler went down.

Agreed, and they only got better this off season.

I remember reading awhile back that it was expected that we'd draft 3-4 starters in this draft...

it looks like we have 3 for sure starters and as long as we get a pretty decent WR that should make for a 4th starter... which would make everything else just gravy....

Green Bay moves up...

Seems like a linebacker will fall to us in the third too. That could be the fourth starter.

St Louis Pead......................................rb Cincy

Phenomenal pick by Green Bay

Yep great pick

Where does he play in 3-4?

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Where does he play in 3-4?

Seems like he would be better off in a 4-3. But the Packers know what they are doing.

there went my LB to the Tampons

Really happy for Jerel Worthy. He went to my high school

We could be picking between LaVonte David, Sanu, and Randle in the 3rd round. My Lord what a steal any of those three would be.

I'm expecting a couple WRs to go off the board in the next 8-10 picks.... hopefully only 1 or 2 leave the board.

Another interesting guy who could have been in play if we hadn't signed Rucker would be Vinny Curry. However we probably don't go there with the signing of Rucker and Parker.

Seems like a good pick for the Bungles. Pretty solid DLman

Yep....David is the guy I want, because IMO he is a day 1 starter who makes an immediate impact on D.......don't sleep on a DB

David in the 3rd might be OK.

I think that we could grab a guy like McNutt at WR maybe even in the 4th, and then start going pure best available.

Broyles off the board before Randle...

WOW!

Wonder if Detroit even worries about defense....

Wow, didn't expect that.

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Broyles off the board before Randle...

WOW!

If he's still there Randle will be a Texan...

smallish rcvr too..didnt know he had a acl injury

I could care less if they draft a WR (would love a speedy slot guy if possible later though). In rounds 3 and 4 get the guys who have a chance to contribute immediately, and everything else BPA. I don't think your getting anything close to an impact WR at this point, but you could get impact players at a lot of other positions.

WRs take time to develop and if we are going with 2 first rounders who have 5-7 good years in them than I want guys who help us win now not 3 years from now.

Yeah so...apparently Mike Adams to the Steelers may be a done deal...

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Yeah so...apparently Mike Adams to the Steelers may be a done deal...

or maybe Massie?

Its officially Mike Adams. AWESOME!

nope - it was adams... potential to be a great tackle... but i was never sold on him in the next level... hope he busts.

I'd target Philly for a trade into the 2nd to get Randle.

Wow .... the Broncos go QB in the 2nd.

Interesting.

Osweiler is an average pick, waste of a 2nd rounder.

And you'd think this will be David, right?

So much for David.

There went my guy. Damn.

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Osweiler is an average pick, waste of a 2nd rounder.

And you'd think this will be David, right?

It is ... official

Poop.

Well, this next pick is likely to be WR then, IMO.

Could be.

Man, Curry is still out there and I think that he'll be a nice DE for someone in a 4-3.

Curry to Philly.

hmm... seems not only a few people from this board dislike Randle.

I still won't be shocked if we go DB here. If they think one of these guys can be a starter next year they just about have to grab them.......regardless of position. That could be a WR/LB/DB

Wow ..... the Eagles sure do have a ton of DL talent.

They need help elsewhere ..... but they have a ton of DL.

there he goes

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Osweiler is an average pick, waste of a 2nd rounder.

And you'd think this will be David, right?

I was a bit surprised... but with Manning they need a future QB... guess they liked the big guy...

if Philly needs a few more seconds on a pick will Westbrook sit down a yard from the podium

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To fill that right side was a need move... no one can be mad at that!!.. Due to that move at 22, we had to do that.

I like Schwartz and I hope he becomes a 10 year veteran for the Browns but this whole draft is one that is based on need and nothing about BPA.....which is very disappointing for someone that prescribes to that line of thought.

To me, the Browns brass is going all in on this draft because they know they won't last much longer going 4-12 so might as well try overswinging and hoping they make contact for homeruns instead of a consistent level swing that may produce a double here, home there, and a few singles.

hope it works!!

James to San Fran... good pick for them... solid RB IMO...

JC

Nice pick for SF

There goes James.

Man, posters are slitting their wrists left and right ......

lol

I'm feeling pretty good about some WR prospects dropping to us... though I agree with your earlier post that it could be LB.

thing NYGs go OL??

I'm thinking that we almost have to go receiver or LB here.

I don't think that there's a CB who's a clear upgrade over the guys we already have.

Gotta think vikes are looking at wr.

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I'm thinking that we almost have to go receiver or LB here.

I'm gonna be TICKED if we don't..... LBer is the only position I'm ok with if it's not WR.... but I really think it has to be WR.

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There goes James.

Man, posters are slitting their wrists left and right ...... lol

He will be their #3 behind Gore and Hunter. Man now there is a loaded backfield. I guess a team with few needs can do this pick.

I'm targeting Sanu.

Dang... great pick by the Giants... was praying he'd fall to us....

Give me Nick Toon!

There goes Randle.

I'd be thrilled with Sanu when we pick.

anyone here what they just said....

Reece doesn't care about position, he drafts value....wonder if that has anything to do with their last 2 SB's?

There goes Randle

Giants go BPA. that's how its done.

ok -I want Sanu, Toon, or the kid from Zona....

Browns have been on the clock for quite a while while everyone ahead of them had picked.

Trade?

Give me Nick Toon....

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Giants go BPA. that's how its done.

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact they don't need a lot, right?

Drafting for the Giants, Texans, Packers, etc is the easiest job in the country.

Sign me up.

Trade?

Now they show the Browns with their pick in.

Man, I kinda hate this new format on the draft. 4 picks sitting, waiting to be called, while TV is in commercial.

trade with Denver... for what?

I wouldn't mind Chase Minnefield either.

Browns traded back? Houston now in their spot

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Giants go BPA. that's how its done.

well they had a need there as well... he could be there 2nd best WR behind cruz if he beats out Nicks.

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ok -I want Sanu, Toon, or the kid from Zona....

well according to the Draft Tracker we traded our 67th pick to Denver

HUH thought indy was picking?

Who at LB?

Lewis or Spence?

I'm going to guess Jayron Hosley or Mohammed Sanu. Ladarius Green being a darkhorse.

Nicks is better than Cruz, IMO.

The draft tracker shows the players picked ..... but they also show the teams with their picks in.,

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Browns traded back? Houston now in their spot

Houston is behind them - they traded with the broncos.... maybe they were waiting to see if Randle fell to them and when he was gone they traded.

Yeah, I just saw that.

Im lost sorry

When's our next pick!?

I wonder what we got back?

Denvedr has our 67 pick we have their 87

i was wondering the same thing - we better still get a decent WR in this round...

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I wonder what we got back?

Brady Quinn and a ham sandwich?

Marvin McNutt?

Got their 4th as well the 120

Pick 87 and 120 (# 25 of round 4)

Their #87 and their #120

I love the trade! Got pick 120!

Woohoo! Ron Brooks, Greg Childs, and Damario Davis?

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When's our next pick!?

#87 so we droped 20 picks and picked up pick #120 in the 4th round.

dammit, what did we get for our 67 to move to Denvers 87???

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When's our next pick!?

Definitly the wrong guy to ask

That was dumb!!.. Heckert screwed up!.. Too much like right today. We need to draft players now!!

so we got 87 and 120?

I think that I would have wanted more than just 120 to drop that far.

That's just me though.

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That was dumb!!.. Heckert screwed up!.. Too much like right today. We need to draft players now!!

There are so many WRs that are on the same level I'm fine with the trade back.... if Randle was there we wouldn't have done the trade...as soon as he was gone we made the trade..... we'll still get a good WR and picked up an extra 4th

Looks like it.

sounds like.. so no more picks til tomorrow? Unles we package and move back up

I'm ok with it. We get back in the 4th, just about where we were before the MN trade. WR heavy draft

No. 87 is in the 3rd round.

Agreed, not very close on the draft value chart.

255 vs 209

Hopefully we got a 2013 selection.

Posey is a Texan!!! I'm actually excited about that! May have to try to get his auto this year.

Wow, I hope they weren't targeting Posey...

Sanu, Toon, McNutt, Streeter, Criner, or Childs all of them are 6'2" or taller. Hope we get one of them. How about Eric Page, or do we already have him on our roster with Norwood?

I don't mind it because all of these WRs now are developmental type guys who won't contribute much anyway. We have a ton of needs, and now we have another pick in the top 120....I like it.

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And I bet we'd be laughed at for it. There are probably 7 or 8 WRs that should go before him. He'll be available in 4 for sure, maybe even 5.

I stand corrected

96 is the last pick sry im between the Tribe and the draft

Well those Wrs are leaving the board right now. I do not think we have the luxury to move down and not take talent in the upper third round.

We have our first Punter drafted.

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We have our first Punter drafted.

In the third!?!?!?! WOW!

I would have been ticked if a David or Randle would have been on the board, but I don't see much difference in these players at this point. To me we just got a free 4th rounder and still get a comparable player to what we would have had.

Jags needed a punter with Blaine Gabbert as their QB

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Jags needed a punter with Blaine Gabbert as their QB

Yeah i don't think that gives your offense much confidence.

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Jags needed a punter with Blaine Gabbert as their QB

Stone, meet glass house

Sanu is still out there.

SO we move 20 spots down to get a pick at a spot that we gave away??...Oops, I mean traded away. I think when you move that far down, the quality of player you get drops, when you go that far down. And since we NEED talent that can contribute ASAP, I question that move.

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SO we move 20 spots down to get a pick at a spot that we gave away??...Oops, I mean traded away. I think when you move that far down, the quality of player you get drops, when you go that far down. And since we NEED talent that can contribute ASAP, I question that move.

i'm going to wait to see what we get at those two picks before I quetsion it.

wow... massie is still on the board an another OT was taken?

what is up with that?

Its a crap shoot in the first and second round....even more-so later....

2 lottery tickets are better than one. At least you have 2 chances at hitting

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wow... massie is still on the board an another OT was taken?

what is up with that?

I was wondering the same thing - maybe they found something concerning on his physical or something.

someting has bit this kid in the arse..dont recall any major negatives from workouts or the combine

dont get it

my board of who I'd like:

Brandon Boykin
Mohammed Sanu
Dwight Bentley
TY Hilton
George Iloka
Antonio Allen
Mike Martin
Brandon Brooks
Brandon Washington
Lamar Miller

Not surprised Wilson goes to Seatle.

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Its a crap shoot in the first and second round....even more-so later....

2 lottery tickets are better than one. At least you have 2 chances at hitting

That's my point. If a 2nd round talent like David/Randle had of fallen I wouldn't have done it, but at this point the level of talent between these players begin to narrow.....get another 4th rounder and have another shot at getting a contributor

damn...i really like Davis...his tape is unreal...thought he might be there in round 4

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Not surprised Wilson goes to Seatle.

I thought it odd, tjack and flynn. Seems like could have gotten project qb later on...

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damn...i really like Davis...his tape is unreal...thought he might be there in round 4

Steve's got to be fuming losing Davis and Brooks back to back

tjack only has 1 year left on his contract...

that being said, I think they were better off in picking up a DE, OL, or CB

I'd take Crick in the 4th.

j/c

I think our pick at 87 will be WR McNutt from Iowa.

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j/c

I think our pick at 87 will be WR McNutt from Iowa.

there are better WRs out ther.e

How long will Minnifield last?? UDFA maybe

I'm thinking Sanu/Streeter/Defensive player

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j/c

I think our pick at 87 will be WR McNutt from Iowa.

i like him but i think we need some speed...i'd rather gamble on speed

I don't know....I kind of have him, Child's, Manu, all grouped together. They all could work out or they all could bust. Again, my opinion but I kind of think their all complementary types

There goes Sanu.

Bring me McNutt!

Dang... Sanu goes to Bungles... that sucks.

Crap.

Get Streeter.

Not the Bungles. Noooo

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Dang... Sanu goes to Bungles... that sucks.

I had a suspicion they might go that direction.

I bet Brooks and Boykin go to Baltimore and Detroit

I don't think it will be McNutt today - maybe tomorrow.

I'd bet Jayron Hosley, maybe Alfonso Dennard.

Round 4, I'll guess Ladarius Green with our pick, and Toon, McNutt, Childs, or Criner with Denver's 4th rounder.

I guess I draft for speed at wr at this point.
Or here's an idea- BPA. No wr is going to be impact player now...

I truly think that McNutt is going to be a massive sleeper in this draft. Big, strong, great hands, knows how to run routes and get open .......

I just hope that the Steelers don't grab him.

BPA is probably Dennard

I want some combo of Brooks or Boykin and Childs with our next two, then Rainey at 120?

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BPA is probably Dennard

isn't he facing jailtime?

he's not too good from jail. he'd be long gone.

The one guy out there under the radar is WR Lavon Brazill.

Repairing a torn meniscus kept him from running at the combine but he's a speedier guy who will be there in the 4th.

EDIT: Looks like he did run and posted a 4.48?

Almost time!!!!

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I bet Brooks and Boykin go to Baltimore and Detroit

where you been buddy Brooks is off the board

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my board of who I'd like:

Brandon Boykin
Mohammed Sanu
Dwight Bentley
TY Hilton
George Iloka
Antonio Allen
Mike Martin
Brandon Brooks
Brandon Washington
Lamar Miller

Still have a few of my guys left...

I forgot about him being arrested...still probably BPA, but best to hold off for a few rounds

Well Mcnutt still there

The Browns will take a DT from Connecticut.

Steelers are having a really good draft...

Whoa theres a suprise

John who?!?!

WTF

Close. From Cincinnati.

Big kid, but man ...... seems way early for him.

Close DT from Cinci.....we are officially in BPA mode

Did we really just take a guy that most people thought would be an UDFA?!??!?!

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Close DT from Cinci.....we are officially in BPA mode

um... are we?

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Close DT from Cinci.....we are officially in BPA mode

BPA mode? He was rated as the 250th prospect.

I officially need to quit wasting my time on this.

John Hughes?

Sure, lets take a DT that would have been there in round 7. I am completely confused about H&H - do they understand we need WR, CB depth, OLB, DE, etc... before reaching for a 7th round prospect in the 3rd round?

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John who?!?!

Hughes ... big reach here.

the wheels are falling off of the cart

so... at what point am i allowed to be angry without it being overreacting?

Not my or your board I imagine, but their sure enough

except he's a 7th rounder...

A lot of places didn't have him in the top 300.

What the hell are we doing?

Overview
Hughes is a fifth-year senior from Cincinnati who started for two years at defensive tackle. He has the size to compete inside at the next level, but he lacks athletic ability and has been rather unproductive to this point in his career. He could get selected in a later round by a team that falls in love with him, but he is more likely to get a shot as a free agent. The pre-draft process will be of extra importance for Hughes, as he needs to prove he has the skills to match his frame.

Analysis
StrengthsHughes is a big man who until his senior year had mostly been a gap-filler. He uses his hands well to stay off blocks and displays good technique. He can defeat single blocks fairly easily and plays with good instincts. It's obvious that he is diagnosing plays early after recognizing blocking schemes.
WeaknessesHughes has numerous issues in his play that, if not fixed early, could severely limit his NFL prospects. He seems lazy at times and rarely chases plays down on the perimeter. As a run defender, he is capable of getting through blocks but often looks shell-shocked once he gets in the backfield. He needs to finish with more force; at times Hughes would be neutralized by offensive linemen because of his poor effort and pad placement

I have officially gotten to the point that i realize that no matter how much I want to believe otherwise, our FO sucks....and this draft with the exception of TR has been an exercise in futility. pathetic

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John who?!?!

Hughes ... big reach here.

the wheels are falling off of the cart

The only reasonable explanation I can think of for this draft is that Holmgren and Heckert want to get fired so they can sit on the beach the next two years counting Lerner's money

This is my "WTF" moment.

Heckert does seem to know DT though. We do have a need at depth there. I still don't get the pick though.

I think that Heckert did mean it though when he said that he likes our receivers.

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so... at what point am i allowed to be angry without it being overreacting?

That is just a head scratcher.

They just took a guy rated as a late 7th rounder / undrafted with a 3rd round pick.

I think you can be angry at that one.

H&H are officially Trolling the Browns...

This pick is flat out unacceptable and undefendable. This is a Mangini pick.

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This is my "WTF" moment.

Heckert does seem to know DT though. We do have a need at depth there. I still don't get the pick though.

I think that Heckert did mean it though when he said that he likes our receivers.

problem is noone else with a brain and a set of eyes likes our receivers

I'm starting to become convinced Heckert doesn't know what he's doing

I honestly don't mind picking DT as we have no depth and I think adding depth there is great but how do you pick this guy over Mike Martin??? I hate Michigan but that guy is going to be one of those late round steals

at this point Im starting to worry they think we're ok at wr..wth

this draft WAS deep at wr but its thinning quickly

The Saints just took a guy from Canada or something.

Wait till he's on the field to make judgments.

damn.

I think lerner should call H&H and tell them not even to come back to berea

I don't understand how 99% of people who spend 30 minutes thinking about the draft can make better moves than this.

Really, it doesn't make any sense. Why does the NFL hate the Browns?

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This is my "WTF" moment.

Heckert does seem to know DT though. We do have a need at depth there. I still don't get the pick though.

I think that Heckert did mean it though when he said that he likes our receivers.

I think Heckert got held hostage because there is no way anyone with a brain would keep taking these reaches 2-5 rounds early.

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I honestly don't mind picking DT as we have no depth and I think adding depth there is great but how do you pick this guy over Mike Martin??? I hate Michigan but that guy is going to be one of those late round steals

martin is gone

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Overview
Hughes is a fifth-year senior from Cincinnati who started for two years at defensive tackle. He has the size to compete inside at the next level, but he lacks athletic ability and has been rather unproductive to this point in his career. He could get selected in a later round by a team that falls in love with him, but he is more likely to get a shot as a free agent. The pre-draft process will be of extra importance for Hughes, as he needs to prove he has the skills to match his frame.

Analysis
StrengthsHughes is a big man who until his senior year had mostly been a gap-filler. He uses his hands well to stay off blocks and displays good technique. He can defeat single blocks fairly easily and plays with good instincts. It's obvious that he is diagnosing plays early after recognizing blocking schemes.
WeaknessesHughes has numerous issues in his play that, if not fixed early, could severely limit his NFL prospects. He seems lazy at times and rarely chases plays down on the perimeter. As a run defender, he is capable of getting through blocks but often looks shell-shocked once he gets in the backfield. He needs to finish with more force; at times Hughes would be neutralized by offensive linemen because of his poor effort and pad placement

Wow! he doesn't seem to fit our PA

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The Saints just took a guy from Canada or something.

Akiem Hicks is sweet. I'm not surprised he went in the third.

I would have been ok with him as our pick, but wouldn't be my first choice.

Do we even have scouts?

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I honestly don't mind picking DT as we have no depth and I think adding depth there is great but how do you pick this guy over Mike Martin??? I hate Michigan but that guy is going to be one of those late round steals

Martin went to Tennessee at #82.

If we wanted a DT, we should have just taken Martin at the top of the 3rd.

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at this point Im starting to worry they think we're ok at wr..wth this draft WAQS deep at wr but its thinning quickly

I have no other explaination for this. HH MUST think we are okay at WR. Either that or they think that Colt made all the receivers lead the NFL in drops.

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The Saints just took a guy from Canada or something.

Akiem Hicks is sweet. I'm not surprised he went in the third.

I'm surprised he got drafted after whoever the heck we just drafted that isn't even ranked in the top 250

He reaches more than I like...falls in love with a guy and doesn't properly assess his value.

i missed that...thanks...i feel slightly better but still WTF WTF WTF WTF

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Wait till he's on the field to make judgments.

Bingo, I dunno who the guy is. But I feel like around these later rounds, a lot of names are just the same names being thrown around.

Some scout saw this guy, we must have watched him on tape, we must have talked to his coaches, etc. And we had to like something about the guy. He is a third round pick.........

Obviously the WR didn't impress and this guy shows potential. I'd like to get a WLB and WR tomorrow

Check out Hicks' picture on his profile.

"Uh .... dude ..........."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1679965/akiem-hicks

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Wait till he's on the field to make judgments.

Bingo, I dunno who the guy is. But I feel like around these later rounds, a lot of names are just the same names being thrown around.

Later rounds??!! This was in the top 90 picks.

We just took a guy who was projected to possibly go undrafted (250+) with a top 90 pick.

It makes no sense, regardless of how much we liked him. He would have easily been there at 120 and even then it would have been a reach.

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He reaches more than I like...falls in love with a guy and doesn't properly assess his value.

BINGO...that's what separates a Ted Thompson, Ozzie Newsome, Kevin Colbert and Belicheck from the rest

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I think lerner should call H&H and tell them not even to come back to berea

They are in berea...

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The only reasonable explanation I can think of for this draft is that Holmgren and Heckert want to get fired so they can sit on the beach the next two years counting Lerner's money

H&H simply do not understand how the draft works. Just look at how the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens are having people fall to them to meet their needs. They do it so effortless.

Moving 67 to 87 was significant and logically (verified by the draft trade chart), we got screwed. I was expecting next year's 2 with a move up 20 picks in the top 100.

I would have been ok with the best corner, safety, LB, or OG, realizing we got jipped on the second tier WRs, which we would have had munition to move up for had we played the board better (like moving back for Weeden).

I am beyond disgusted at this team. This draft is an embarrassment of mismanagement that may get masked by a good first year by Richardson.

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Check out Hicks' picture on his profile.

"Uh .... dude ..........."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1679965/akiem-hicks

that is funny!!! made my day.

because I just read this on Cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/cleveland_brownsnfl_draft_2012_1.html

From NFL.com: "Hughes is a fifth-year senior from Cincinnati who started for two years at defensive tackle. He has the size to compete inside at the next level, but he lacks athletic ability and has been rather unproductive to this point in his career.

He could get selected in a later round by a team that falls in love with him, but he is more likely to get a shot as a free agent. The pre-draft process will be of extra importance for Hughes, as he needs to prove he has the skills to match his frame."

Wow.

maybe H&H are Molly Ringwald fans

My favorite non Trent Richardson related moment of this NFL Draft...

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I liked our first pick day and day 2......Weeden and the Hughes guy were picks that were so off value and were based on need/love and not analysis of the players true value.

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Wow.

yeah, that's our 3rd round pick an undrafted FA

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I liked our first pick day and day 2......Weeden and the Hughes guy were picks that were so off value and were based on need/love and not analysis of the players true value.

agreed....

this.
scares.
me.

I don't think Heckert has ever done this before? maybe he had a nervous breakdown in the draft room and an intern is making the picks? wait.. they wouldn't pick that bad. maybe it was Randy?

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I don't think Heckert has ever done this before?

Is there a school or class we can have him sign up for? A good draft involves knowing value. I want to hear the stupid story as to what made the Browns feel like they needed to get him, versus say, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or more likely, an UFA.

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Wow.

yeah, that's our 3rd round pick an undrafted FA

meh! DT depth was a big concern and this Hughes had a pretty productive year last season with 51 tckls, 12.5 tfl and 5 sacks, with good size at 6' 2" and 309 lbs, so there might be something to work with, but it sounds like he needs motivating and probably wont help us much as a rookie.

I'm ready to let DMIC make the rest of our picks.

The Browns had a golden opportunity to get significantly better with this draft and we blew it in epic fashion (as only the Browns can). We got off to a good start with TR, but the wheels came off starting with Weeden and it just got worse from there. Wow...

Richardson
Weeden
Schwartz
Hughes

I think I'm gonna be sick...

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I'm ready to let DMIC make the rest of our picks.

You mean he hasn't been?

Can we do an IP check on DMIC and Heckert's computer?

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The Browns had a golden opportunity to get significantly better with this draft and we blew it in epic fashion

Totally disagree.

They vastly improved the running game, the QB, and RT position.

We lost, what, 4 games by 7 or less points? Those guys alone will give us an extra TD per game, IMO.

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I don't think Heckert has ever done this before?

Is there a school or class we can have him sign up for? A good draft involves knowing value. I want to hear the stupid story as to what made the Browns feel like they needed to get him, versus say, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or more likely, an UFA.

llike i said... I think he had a nervous breakdown. this is crazy. I hope he knows something that everyone else doesn't.

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The Browns had a golden opportunity to get significantly better with this draft and we blew it in epic fashion

Totally disagree.

I think we're better, but we could have done SO MUCH better. This could have been the draft we have been hoping 13 years for.

We'll see... Right now, I don't see it beyond TR. We could have done MUCH better, IMO. I think we'll be picking top 5 again next season.

Its like Al Davis raided our war-room. He's the only one i know that would make reach after reach and make everyone scratch their head, and then snicker....

Knew it was a stupid pick when Billick turned to Mayock and said- don't know a thing about him- you're going to have to bail us out.......

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The Browns had a golden opportunity to get significantly better with this draft and we blew it in epic fashion

Totally disagree.

They vastly improved the running game, the QB, and RT position.

We lost, what, 4 games by 7 or less points? Those guys alone will give us an extra TD per game, IMO.

I agree with you 100%.

We have 3 day 1 starters who will immediately upgrade their positions ... RB, QB, and RT. That's a pretty good way to start turning around a moribund offense. We may be planning on looking for a WR in trade, or when cuts happen. One name that was thrown around during the draft as a guy who might be available is Jacoby Jones from the Texans. I do think that experience is going to be valuable at the WR position this year as we will have a rookie QB and a rookie RB. We need some experience somewhere.

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Knew it was a stupid pick when Billick turned to Mayock and said- don't know a thing about him- you're going to have to bail us out.......

I was watching ESPN and missed that. ESPN glossed over it. Don't think they had anything to say, including Kiper.

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One name that was thrown around during the draft as a guy who might be available is Jacoby Jones from the Texans.

I wondered if anyone else caught that..lets hope