Penalties and horrible defense.

Did I cover everything?

You forgot lack of nfl coaching and roster

terrible play calling.

Coaching

Cavs preseason starts soon. Once they get started I'll hop off this cluster $&@* show and watch a team that isn't trash.

Coaching kinda correlates with both...

I'm just, wow. This team is so STUPID.

Hey, Dwayne Bowe got a target though! That's 2 out of the last 3 games!

Once he stopped holding the ball too long, McCown looked pretty good.

Barnidge asks "Jordan who?"

Clearly no one has explained what is and is not a penalty to this team. Yellow flags do not indicate points.

Our special teams are leaps and bounds beyond last year. Just wish we didn't need to see Coons and Lee so very often.

I'm honestly numb

We talk consistency being important but I really don't want to see this consistently!

O'Neil goes tonight and by seasons end this entire FO will/should follow.

Two bad teams, the less stupid one won.

Gilbert, Mingo, Shelton and Orchard. Three 1st/one 2nd round picks....no impact and even sucking when on the field.

That's the reason why everyone will get fired at the end of the season. Not McCown/Manziel controvery everyone is talking about. The D stinks and everyone responsible has contributed to that mess.

The problem is that their not abjectly horrible. Their juuuust good enough to keep you guessing/hoping. Just tantalizingly mediocre enough to break your heart. I'm waiting for that 34-3 game when the last vestige of it gives out. You know it's coming. It's so hard to be a Browns fan.

On the old clevelandbrowns.com board I had the screen name AlwaysNextYear.... I am thinking it may be time to resurrect it. I truly am beginning to believe that this team plays this awful on purpose. They simply defy the law of averages.

yawn another loss

Thought flip called a great game on offense. McCown held the ball to long and didnt see the field very well but when he checked down the receivers and backs bailed him out. He did however have some amazing throws and he did enough to win the game today.

defense choked

Our D scheme is awful. This is terribly coached team on the D side in particular.

McCown 32/41 356, 2 TD, 0 INT

You got a hundred yards rushing.

Just unreal.

Look, the offsides was bad, and dumb, but we would have been lucky to get a professional kicker to miss that field goal. What angers me is you got that drive from the offense to tie the game, and San Diego was in field goal position in 4 plays. 4 plays.

This defense is garbage. They're overrated. If this continues they shouldn't be the highest paid defense next year. People should be shown the door.

Problem is there's no blue chip QB this year to suck for.

But, they still get paid their millions. Soooo, who cares????

Yeah, I don't care about draft position any more. There are some good quarterbacks, but none of these kids right now are going to be great out of the box.

The defense was so terrible. They gave up 30p and 450yds to an Offense that missed half their starters and was only left with two healthy WR for the game.

Danny Shelton was owned by backup UDFA OL today. The fat dude sucks

I wonder if the "fail for cardale group is still around" lol.

This was the Dwayne Rudd Incident 2.0

Jim O'Neil, other than being Pettine's drinking buddy and/or his old pal because he played for Pettine's old man, offers little and should be considered a liability to the organization.

Where was Danny Shelton and Starks on the last big run up the middle by Woodhead?

I know it seems that way, but the Browns had that game won.

Today it was tied, and they were in position to win. We would have been the luckiest team for him to miss that FG. It's a dumb play, but Rudd's gaffe happened when the clock showed 0:00 and the Browns ahead. It's not the same.

I wait all year to watch football and the season is done on October 4th. ARGH so freaking frustrated.

I was reading about that play THIS MORNING in the worst plays ever article on ESPN.com

The Cavs actually make it worse for me. I don't WANT a basketball team providing Cleveland its next title. I can't COUNT how many Bengal fan friends I have that type or post 'Believeland' on Facebook as they root for the Cavs during the playoffs. I'm developing an ulcer just thinking of this.

Yeah, I have issues.

Oh yeah, the Chargers game. What else is there to be said? Bad team, bad coaching, penalties, lack of preparedness, lack of adjustments, NO light at the end of the tunnel.

Bring on the Ravens. . . .

Browns and their pathetic defense got beat by 2nd stringers.

The only thing I can say is the O did enough to win this game. If the D wasn't a bunch of stiffs and got a few stops it would have been game over. D is supposed to be the strength of the team, and SD was playing without half their line and 2 WR. One sack, really? SAD.

oh if it don't happen with the Cavs, My guess we are 10-15 years from it every happening. I'd prefer to have it any way.

And what's the next game where we'll play a Defense that bad? Hmmm? The Brown and Orange scrimmage next year, maybe.

NRTU.. Williams and the rest of the defense takes a bus back to Cleveland and Haslem greets Pettine at the Plane with a 2nd pick slip of the day. Farmer got his the moment he came off his vacation. God this team.. The Nortcutt drop, the Winslow pushout non pushout and games like this make we wonder if they shouldnt move again. 12 penalties? 12? Gmafb

And I have the sick and foreboding feeling that this year's Cavs team is going to break our hearts in ways we haven't even imagined yet. I just have the worst feeling about it.

so disgusted i quit the post game crap.

Goff, Cook.

You think throwing the ball virtually every single down was calling a great game? Flip is as much a part of the problem as anyone. If we RUN the ball, perhaps we can keep our defense OFF THE FIELD. Keep Rivers off the field.... I'm supposed to buy in to having McCown throw the ball 45+ times every week? That's our best way to play? I don't think so.

Offense did their job today, with the exception of being held back by coaching and McCown a few times being McCown, they did enough to win, you score 27 points you should win. This season has been the kind of defensive effort that gets you an interim HC at the bye.. I woudn't even shed a tear. I almost don't even want to see Manziel, No way can anything this staff is teaching be helpful to him. We don't have any NFL coaches. The bad thing is, there is so much wrong with this defense, it would take a miracle to even sure up half of the things by seasons end. We don't have any leaders on defense, the rest are old, think they aren't the problem (haden, whiffner), or just are young and aren't being coached properly.

Invisible front 7...Shelton releasing off the snap too slow...Both DEs make zero plays...Kruger is super slow and stiff and doesn't contain...Mingo is a liability has no reason to be on the field and not an asset...Kirksey disappears...Dansby is declining fast due to age...Sums that up

We get neautrilized instantly anytime we blitz....that's not how blitzing is supposed to go, somethings seriously wrong

Maybe, maybe not, but don't let that get in the way of enjoying the ride. It's going to be fun. I mean if you really thought that way, how on earth are you a browns fan?

Radio says, we can't trade fg's for td's .

I wonder how Gabriels 2 pt conversion catch will be scored in the stats.

Dwayne Rudd in 2001 threw his helmut on a sack of a kc qb, with no time left from their own side of the field the browns d just avoiding the td played eons off the line of scrimmage and the result was a tackle in fg range, and the Chiefs kicked a fg to win with no time on the clock

Today you know, the offsides on a missed fg gave San diego a chance to, a SECOND chance to kick the fg to win the game.

And I ask myself, that's twice, why don't the Browns kick fg's against other teams to win with no time on the clock.

AND THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS. The Browns offense is not potent enough to put other teams in the situation that those teams put the Browns in.

If I were, Barnidge, Duke Johnson, Travis Benjamin, or Josh McCown, I'd be the most upset at this loss.(because they did well in crunch time on that drive)

Philip Rivers, has been the Charger Qb for how many years? 7, 8, 9, more? Around the league teams have starting qb's, I think maybe the Browns are a Qb away.

It is disheartening to see that there is no clear future at the Quarterback position for the Browns. They didn't even take a chance on a mid rounder this year. Are they going to rely on Austin Davis who they just extended? Do they plan to find a Quarterback the way they found Robert Turbin, or Josh Gordon?, because those guys don't come in supplemental drafts, or waiver wires.

You can't expect the offense to be as potent as the opponents when the average team in the NFL can have a quarterback who has been on that team for however long, but it's longer than 17 months or less.

Do the Browns keep a qb 17 months?

I only heard Dwayne Bowe's name one time on the radio, when they said Travis Benjamin had to come out because he was winded.

What O coordinator can't find a way to put Bowe on the field except as Benji's backup? HUH? Somebody should be explaining something.

That's the DEFINITION of being a Browns fan!

I said this in the gameday thread, but we are just 2 years removed from that awesome defense Ray Horton ran. Makes you miss that guy so much more. This is what a high turnover rate does to your team and why I cannot stand resets. I seriously believe we could have been closer had Chud not been replaced so haphazardly.

What is your point, I am saying this was a winnable game and the supposed "strength" of the team failed again.

Glenn Moore ‏@GlennMooreCLE 3h3 hours ago
Dwayne Bowe's tenure with the #Browns in one pic:

LMAO!

This defense sucks. I don't usually call for firing someone, but O'neil has to go. This defense is horrible.

McCown is horrible. I don't care how many yards he had, he costs us in sacks. Bowe should be gone tomorrow, and a decent LB signed. I really feel that is the weak spot on this defense. Kruger dropping in coverage? WTF. He has no impact on run plays, and the inside guys can't stop runs up the middle.

All you have to do to beat this team, is get into 3rd and long. You will automatically get 15+ yards or a score. Pathetic.

I thought Desir played good today. That TD was just an amazing throw. Whitner gives up another TD while in coverage, although he did play better today.

McCown tries for the home run way too often when things are open underneath. The guy looks antsy to me all most all the time. We will not win with him, IMO the switch needs to be made now.

Did I say how bad this defense is?

This is a great example of the bias on this board. Whit had excellent coverage on the TD, as well. Also, he did not have a holding penalty and made some good tackles. What did DeSir do again that was so good?

Well I just watched the Browns screw up another one. All I heard all off season and through the draft was how great the defense was going to be.

We can't stop the run or the pass. Wow, all those draft picks on the D. WHAT A WASTE!

Then in the post game I hear how we're learning and everybody is fighting so hard.

I'm now thinking of the movie The Rock. You know the line. When Sean Connery tells Nick Cage " Losers always whine about doing their best. Winners go home and ---- the prom queen."

Rant off.

We kill ourselves so many times, this team is the most undisciplined team ever. Constant holds, constant offsides, constant this and that and it's game after game now. It's pathetic.

This secondary is also pathetic. Finally the offense gets some points and the defense gets schooled and gives up huge chunk plays. Can't even blame them for getting gassed, they had rest time provided by the offense.

I'm shocked I watched this whole game, but that I did - I'm disappointed I wasted my time.

I thought he played well, and you can't say his coverage was bad on the TD. The ball was placed perfectly.

As for Whitner, to my eyes, he let the guy get behind him and didn't turn to play the ball. I actually thought it was Gilbert in coverage.

I don't have bias, Whitner has not played up to standard for me. Today he was playing quite well, but still gave up the TD.

You can spew your bias crap all you want, it don't bother me. I watch the games and give my opinin as I see it. I don't need your approval of my opinion, but save your BS comments for someone else.

I will comment to whomever I wish.

I can almost predict what you guys are going to say before I come on here. Same old crap that is biased, predictable, and wrong.

You are so full of.....

You come on here whining people are attacking you, and in reality, that is all you can do. I can't see where I am making excuses for anything this team is doing, but since I replied, I am your target. Go ahead fire away with your useless dribble. I honestly think you thrive on the misery of this team, I think you enjoy it.

What I can't fathom is how Gilbert can be so bad that he cannot sniff the field even with a depleted secondary.

Tackling and coverage. Oh, and pressure.

I spent 43$ to eat really bad food and drink really bad drinks at the bar so i could watch this game. Not worth it!!!!

Although I got a coupon for free wings because the Falcons won.

So next week I will wash rinse repeat. And not pay for wings. The drinks will still suck and the browns will still loose.

No lead safe with this secondary and their flag football mentality. Some of the defensive crap I saw was inexcusable today and cost us a game. Pettine has said "scheme" was part of the failure last week. Worse today.
We gave 'em fits first two series. Called us off for exotic crap or base D. And we did no more all day. How O'Neill can say THAT is what we are going for is beyond me.
Back to huge cushions, no jam, no press, just turn and chase.
This set sucks. It is called badly and run worse. The penalties are inexcusable. How do you justify repeated failures?
Crush this this week. Stop doing what is getting you beat; do some of the stuff that is beating you.

If it doesn't happen with the Cavs, you're going to be waiting a very, very, very, long time. A Cleveland team that can't win a title with a Lebron James will never win a title.

We need to keep Lebron in a padlocked room surrounded by white cushion walls.

+1,000, 000

Our Offensive and Defensive Coordinators flat out stink. Pett preached all off season and training camp that we would be a run first team yet we hardly ran the ball until late in the game. Last year even after Mack went down and we didn't have as much success running the ball we still tried to, why? because it helped set up our play action passes that we had quite a bit of success with. Defensively on that last TD drive by the Chargers I watched our defensive coordinator call for a corner blitz on a 3rd and 5 play that led to big gain by the Chargers, now why in the heck would you blitz the corner on play when the opposing team only needs 5 freakin yards and have another player cover the WR and that player is already a good 5 yards away from the WR? You do corner blitzes on long yardage plays cause it takes a while for the WRs to run the necessary yardage and also because it takes a while for the CB to get to the QB because he is lined up so far away. You don't do it on short yardage plays when the opposing team is mostly going to get rid of the ball quickly to try to get the first down.

Who were the homers that loved this defense in the preseason?
Where are they?

You took that way too literally, but thanks for the recap.

If we play defense against Cincy like we did today. They may drop a 70 spot on us easy. It will only be limited by the opportunities they get on offense.

Meanwhile, Atlanta's offense is tearing it up. Last year they had no running game. This year they are running up and down the field. They went from 6 and 8 and losing to us at home to now being 4 and 0.

But no, our genius leader didn't think Shanny could call plays. And our head coach would rather sing Kum-ba-yah than have an offensive genius.

Freaking Browns make me sick!

I was one....and I don't think all of our defensive problems are due to personnel. I think a lot of it is due to bad play calls at critical times.

I think the defense is lacking overall speed and guys that can finish.

While certainly not at the "genius" level, I believe Flip has passed his "probation" period and is proving to be competent. He has barely got his feet wet at this level; we don't know what his upper limit is...

I am really bitter that we lost Shanahan. Today I watched Atlanta run up the score and be totally unstoppable. Credit goes to the players, but also Shanny. I really wish we had someone like him. That guy is brilliant.

Keeps making more sense - I won't claim to understand much of how the FO all works together but I keep hearing things from the Browns' saying they are learning and maturing as a team. So what does that mean? If KS can get immediate results in ATL (and he does have talent but it would appear that he understands how to work with the talent on the team) why cannot ours? We have such an young staff in actual NFL years...how long does it take and how much time do they get? Will the fan base sit quietly for 2 more years while they 'figure it out?"

makes me wonder if we did draft a stud QB and key positions would the staff be able to make them work as a team and build a winning program? So far that answer would seem to be a NO...

Yep. I didn't like the hire when we got him because I believed all the garbage from RGIII at the time.

However, I was amazed by the run blocking schemes, the route trees, and how he set plays up. We didn't have the weapons that ATL has, but he gave us a chance.

I seriously doubt we get to 7 wins this year. This team is a mess. It's time to rethink where we are headed under Farmer's leadership.

I mean..........it's almost hard to comprehend how a GM can be so interfering, stupid, and arrogant to force one of the best OC's in the business to lobby his way out of town.

Another black eye for Cleveland.

Perhaps we do. Flip may just be that guy.

I think I figured out the offsides on the last field goal. We didn't have a timeout to ice the kicker, so we jumped offsides to get the same effect...

Just a heart breaker. How does a team with three starters out on the Oline not get a QB killed? Answer, apparently, play the browns.

quote above by Daman:

"How does a team with three starters out on the Oline not get a QB killed? Answer, apparently, play the browns."

No kiddin'!

They should have been on Rivers every snap.

C'est la Vie

It hurts to even type that.. We had one Oline guy go down last year (mack) and couldn't hold it together without him. These guys lose three and even with our so called improved Dline and LB corp, we can't get to RIvers.

Something has gone wrong here.

We really need to find a Ray Lewis type guy.. He led that team to two superbowl wins and a whole lot of victories along the way.

McCown did a decent job yesterday. In fact, the O was pretty decent to be honest. Our D killed us. Just murdered our chances of a win.

Penalties... Geesh.

Our Front 7, Lb's especially are bottom of the basement..they couldn't start for any other team

And the only good rushing linebacker, Paul, they're now sending him into pass coverage ALOT. I don't think this staff, both offense and defense, know what they're doing.

McCown played well yesterday so I'm not gonna trash him, but he has a slow released. That said, his QB play gave us a chance to win.

We got 12 penalties, they got six. Huge differential - I mean, it's hard to win that way.

Ran the ball better, which was good to see.
Something is wrong with our defence - I think we need LB help. Kruger shouldn't be in coverage, Mingo I don't think is even average, let alone worthy of a first round pick. We keep getting gashed.

Bowe is useless. We wil keep him purely for depth - in case we get banged up at WR. . Id rather have taken a flyer on Pryor. No rhyme intended.
Such a discouraging loss....

Does anyone have the snap/rep count for Bowe? I know he had one target, but I just didn't see him at all it seemed.

Agree pretty much with all your post, particularly the hi-lited part. I'm not so certain that it's not scheme-related though...

It very well might be. I dunno I'm just tired of this wretched run D and suspect tackling and penalty after penalty.

The game pretty much went how I thought it would (we lost). After watching the Browns for years and years and years, you pretty much know what's gonna happen.

On a positive note, that was a GREAT pass 'n' catch by Duke for a TD.

I must have gotten up to get a drink or food so I missed his appearance(s)

This is nonsense, but kind of funny..

Photo from the game yesterday.

That is kind of interesting.

LOL

The #13...pretty much follows the Browns everywhere.

13,the number of total wins we'll have in 13 seasons!

quote by 3rd and 20 above:

"After watching the Browns for years and years and years, you pretty much know what's gonna happen."

How true! It was amazing.

After the Browns tied it up with the two point conversion and the Chargers got the ball back with 2 minutes left, I could have scripted the last two minutes. (although, I'm suprised the Browns weren't up by 2 points when the Charges kicked the field goal as time expired)

I'm definitely in the upper echelon of "blindly optomistic Browns fans".

But I'm losin' the faith.

I can't even believe I'm sayin' that.

Yup.

It might get fun again if and when Johnny starts to play again.

McCown didn't really have a bad game yesterday, but we need a QB with a bit more speed, because our O line isn't all what it's cracked up to be and our QB's gotta be ready to scramble.

Even if we didn't get a penality with that missed field goal I have a feeling that the Browns STILL would have blown that game. That's just how it is with them. You know?

When your team puts 27 points on the board, you should win the game.

I remember when folks used to say we didnt take enough deep shots to keep the defense honest...

Man the first time we play a REAL team they will obliterate us. If we were heading to Atlanta I'd bet on them breaking 50. This defense is pathetic in all areas. Secondary is hurt and playing poorly, and we have the worst front 7 in football. All offseason they talked about stopping the run. We are GOING to stop the run. Stopping the run is ALL we care about. Blah blah woof woof. The result is we are dead last against the run. I know people hate this but that DESERVES a *snicker*
Sack counts have been 0 7 0 and 2 it's averaging out to be the 2 per game we got last year.... 2 sacks against a Charger team with only 2/5ths of their line? So basically we can't stop the run and we can't get pressure on the QB. With a banged up secondary we got nothing.... The Ravens game is must win as they are as bad off as we are. After that it gets rough....

and we have the worst front 7 in football

I've heard over the past month or so.

We have:
The worst OL
The worst RBs
The worst WRs
The worst TEs
The worst QBs
The worst ST coach

Its getting tiring. Don't get me wrong we haven't been close to Good in some of those units. But not the worst.

the problem is that we aren't GOOD ENOUGH in any areas to compensate for being poor in others. Almost every team has weaknesses, but they have strengths they can rely on... what are our strengths?

We have solid fashion sense with the new uniforms.
So, there's that...

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Tramon Williams says NFL told Browns 'I wasn't offside' on Chargers game winning FG attempt #browns

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quote above:

"We have:
The worst OL
The worst RBs
The worst WRs
The worst TEs
The worst QBs
The worst ST coach"

Go figure.

Because there is absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that we are the BEST fans!

That's what I thought when I watched it... but I never saw the sideline view so I figured it was my homer goggles.

My wife always has told me "someone makes a lot of money by the Browns losing." Last week, the Vegas line opened Monday giving the Browns 7 1/2, and moved all the way to 4 by Saturday. That means a whole LOT of bets were put on the Browns, probably a lot of them on the moneyline (+240) to pump that line down. There were a lot of really bad calls in the first half, then that call at the end of the game, well... I guess the ref and the NFL can quietly say "oops" and we're stuck with the loss.

Tramon Williams says NFL told Browns 'I wasn't offside' on Chargers' game-winning field goal attempt

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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on October 07, 2015 at 6:54 PM, updated October 07, 2015 at 8:21 PM
BEREA, Ohio -- Tramon Williams said Wednesday that the NFL told the Browns that he wasn't offside on the gamewinning field goal attempt by the Chargers in their 30-27 victory Sunday.

Williams told Northeast Ohio Media Group on Wednesday that Browns coaches asked the NFL office to review tape of the Chargers' game-winning field goal attempt as time expired -- and he got the answer he was expecting.

"It came back that I wasn't offside,'' Williams told NEOMG. "I moved when the ball was snapped.''

A source told NEOMG that the NFL has not reviewed the tape for the Browns, and even if it did, it would be inconclusive, because there's no straight shot down the line showing if Williams jumped.

Rookie kicker Josh Lambo pushed the initial 39-yard kick wide right possibly because he saw Williams charging. Lambo lined up 5 yards closer and nailed the 34-yarder to give the Chargers the 30-27 victory with no time on the clock.

It prevented the Browns from going to overtime and dropped them to 1-3 heading into Sunday's game against the 1-3 Ravens. The Chargers evened their record at 2-2.

"The coaches sent in the tape questioning it, because like I said, it was close and I thought I got a good jump,'' said Williams. "It was time to do or die at the end of the game. I had gathered all the information throughout the game, and I was like 'this is my time.'

"And sure enough, I got a good jump on it.''

The NFL generally doesn't comment on calls sent into the league office by teams for review, and the Browns declined to comment.

Williams said the call was close and he understands why he was penalized. Another source acknowledged that it would be difficult for the side judge to determine if he actually moved early.

"I just move so much faster than everybody else,'' he said. "I can see where the referees would miss that. It's explanatory. Guys make mistakes. At the end of the day you just hope that we can get judgment at the end of the game, maybe review or whatever it may be.''

Williams, who held his head high after the game and again on Monday in the locker room, said he takes no solace in the fact the league agreed with him.

"At this point it really don't matter,'' he said. "I've been through a lot of different situations where it came down to calls like that. I was one of the guys in the Fail Mary play (a victory by the Seahawks over Williams' Packers in 2012 when officials missed offensive pass interference on the gamewinning touchdown catch by Golden Tate).

"There's nothing you can really do about it. Only thing you can do is learn from it and keep going. You make no excuses about it at all. It's done.

"I'm just here to play and get better now,'' he said.

Williams said he agrees with Lions coach Jim Caldwell, whose team lost to the Seahawks Monday night when the official missed Seattle linebacker K.J. Wright illegally batting the ball out of the back of the end zone. The Lions should've had possession at the 1 after Kam Chancellor's strip of Calvin Johnson as he was on his way into the end zone.

"You can't cry about it,'' said Williams. "There's nothing you can do about it.''

Williams acknowledged that he believes Lambo missed the 39-yard kick because he felt the cornerback's presence.

"But that's the league, though,'' said Williams.

After the game, Williams indicated he was surprised that he was flagged.

"I thought I was real close,'' he said. "I gauged the snap count throughout the game. It's a chip shot and it's to win the game, so I'm trying to give all the effort I can. No room for error. If I was a little bit too fast, that's tough."

Coach Mike Pettine didn't blame Williams after the game.

"He battled and played his tail off for 60 minutes and at the end he tried to make a play,'' he said. "It was just a shade early. I'm not going to say anything to him other than, 'Thanks for the effort.' ''

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Wow.

That makes me sick.

I was wondering about that play. After the game was over I went back with the dvr and replayed the play and tried to stop it when i saw the center move and it looked close to me.

I was at the game and I just assumed that anyone that gets that good of a jump is probably offside.

My apologies to Tramon. I realized then that we was trying to make a play but I still thought some pretty unfriendly thoughts about him. I take them back.

Yeah, I'm in this boat too :(SO let me get this straight... with all the cameras in the stadium, they want us to believe that they couldn't find a reasonable angle to review? I'm not buying that.

I know it would suck for the Chargers, but if the NFL says he was not offsides, the game should officially be a tie. We're not talking a judgement call like holding. Offsides is either you are or you aren't.

offsides is not reviewable.

Watching the replay (on TV), I thought that he was offside. Man, he must have got the perfect jump...

Under his jersey he may have an S on his chest but the NFL made sure he's got a target on his back too.

It sure should be, since it can decide a game. I think that everything that changes the end of a game (in the final 2 minutes) should be reviewed. (including FG tries, offsides on a scoring play, and so on)