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Posted By: Milk Man Supreme Court Strikes Down LA Abortion Law - 06/29/20 02:47 PM


Supreme Court hands down major decision reaffirming abortion rights
The case, June Medical Services v. Russo, has major implications.
By
Alexandra Svokos
June 29, 2020, 10:40 AM


The Supreme Court announced a major ruling on abortion, deciding that the Louisiana law is unconstitutional and should not stand.

The opinion was written by Justice Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. Chief Justice John Roberts also filed an opinion concurring for the majority.

The case, June Medical Services v. Russo, was a challenge to a Louisiana law that required abortion providers have admitting privileges with a nearby hospital -- an agreement between a doctor and a hospital that allows a patient to go that hospital if they need urgent care.

Abortion providers argued this was an unnecessary requirement unrelated to health outcomes that only served to prevent them from being able to provide abortion care. Admitting privileges can be difficult for abortion providers to obtain as hospitals do not want to be associated with them due to the stigma and as abortion is a statistically safe procedure, requiring extremely limited numbers of patients to have to go to hospitals for care.

In fact, in 2016, the Supreme Court ruled, in Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt, that a nearly identical hospital admitting privileges law out of Texas caused an "undue burden" on patients seeking abortions after it caused roughly half of clinics in the state to shut down. In the 2020 opinion, Breyer called the Louisiana law "almost word-for-word identical to Texas’ admitting-privileges law."

"This case is similar to, nearly identical with, Whole Woman’s Health. And the law must consequently reach a similar conclusion. Act 620 is unconstitutional," Breyer wrote in conclusion on the June Medical opinion.

That 2016 case set what was supposed to be a precedent that laws like Texas' that "'do little or nothing for health, but rather strew impediments to abortion' cannot survive judicial inspection," Ginsburg wrote in a concurring opinion, referencing a lower court case.

Roberts had been on the dissenting side of the Texas Whole Woman's case. In his concurring opinion with the majority on June Medical, Roberts explained that he still believed his 2016 opinion that "the case was wrongly decided," but he joined the majority this time around because "the question today" is on "whether to adhere to [the Whole Woman's case] in deciding the present case." Essentially, Roberts based his decision not on his opinion on the law itself, but on the basic concept of precedent.

"The legal doctrine of stare decisis requires us, absent special circumstances, to treat like cases alike," he wrote. "The Louisiana law imposes a burden on access to abortion just as severe as that imposed by the Texas law, for the same reasons. Therefore Louisiana’s law cannot stand under our precedents."

However, in 2018, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals surprised court watchers by reversing a decision on the Louisiana law that struck it down based on the 2016 Supreme Court case. Instead, the Fifth Circuit ruled Louisiana's admitting privileges law could stand. It was that action that led the case, ultimately, to the Supreme Court.

Since 2016, the Supreme Court's makeup has changed. Justice Anthony Kennedy represented the swing vote on abortion in the 2016 case, then siding with the liberal-leaning justices. Following Kennedy's retirement in 2018 and the death of Justice Antonin Scalia in 2016, their replacements -- Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh -- are seen as more conservative.

In bringing the case to the Supreme Court, Louisiana added another challenge on, questioning what's called "third-party standing," which means that a third party -- like an abortion provider -- is allowed to argue on behalf of the person actually impacted -- a patient.

While Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 case that declared abortion a protected right, included an individual patient challenging the law, every major abortion case since then has been presented by providers and clinics like Whole Woman's Health, Planned Parenthood or June Medical Services.

In the majority opinion, the court also said that third-party standing applied to this case, as precedent had set in many other cases both on abortion and otherwise.

"In short, the State’s strategic waiver and a long line of well-established precedents foreclose its belated challenge to the plaintiffs’ standing," Breyer wrote.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-...al_twitter_abcn
I am not now, nor have I ever been a fan of abortion.

But I'm not going to tell a woman what to do with her own body.

I can't justify that invasion of privacy.
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.
Call it what you want bro. It's still a baby boy or girl. cool
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.


I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.


I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.



I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.


It's still stupid.
No it's not stupid at all.
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.



I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.


It's still stupid.


How about I call it an “unwanted cell mass in another person’s body that’s none of my business or anyone else’s so they should pipe down”? Seems like a long name though. Thoughts?
wink tongue
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Call it what you want bro. It's still a baby boy or girl. cool


I won’t go further in this thread. I’m only in PP due to lack of action in the threads I enjoy.

Totally agree on your abortion take.
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.


I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.

It's not absurd.. in the migratory bird act it is illegal to destroy a nest (the home), the young (baby birds), or the eggs (future birds)... because they recognize an egg for what it is, a future bird. Just as the "clump of cells" is a future person... I get that you don't like to think in terms of killing a baby because that's vulgar and harsh and nobody would condone that so you call it something less defined to make yourself feel better about it.. but that's all it is, semantics so you feel better about it.

With that said, since RvW in 1973, abortion peaked in about 1980 and has been declining on a per capita basis ever since.. it's now LOWER than it was when RvW was put into place. The focus here should be on preventing unwanted pregnancies..
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.


I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.

It's not absurd.. in the migratory bird act it is illegal to destroy a nest (the home), the young (baby birds), or the eggs (future birds)... because they recognize an egg for what it is, a future bird. Just as the "clump of cells" is a future person... I get that you don't like to think in terms of killing a baby because that's vulgar and harsh and nobody would condone that so you call it something less defined to make yourself feel better about it.. but that's all it is, semantics so you feel better about it.

With that said, since RvW in 1973, abortion peaked in about 1980 and has been declining on a per capita basis ever since.. it's now LOWER than it was when RvW was put into place. The focus here should be on preventing unwanted pregnancies..


Fine. Focus on that. I’m all for it. I don’t think abortion is a ‘good’ thing. I do think it needs to remain an option. Hopefully one not used but for only the most trying times. But an option none the less.
Did you ever see the irony in the self proclaimed "party of law and order" be so adamant against law? They only seem upset when the other side wants to change laws. What the SCOTUS has to say only makes them happy when it follows their agenda.
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


You mean unformed cell mass in her womb.
Carry on.


I'm pro choice and this continues to be one of the dumbest arguments out there.


GM calls it ‘killing a baby’. Which I find absurd. So my retort is a counter to that.

It's not absurd.. in the migratory bird act it is illegal to destroy a nest (the home), the young (baby birds), or the eggs (future birds)... because they recognize an egg for what it is, a future bird. Just as the "clump of cells" is a future person... I get that you don't like to think in terms of killing a baby because that's vulgar and harsh and nobody would condone that so you call it something less defined to make yourself feel better about it.. but that's all it is, semantics so you feel better about it.

With that said, since RvW in 1973, abortion peaked in about 1980 and has been declining on a per capita basis ever since.. it's now LOWER than it was when RvW was put into place. The focus here should be on preventing unwanted pregnancies..


Fine. Focus on that. I’m all for it. I don’t think abortion is a ‘good’ thing. I do think it needs to remain an option. Hopefully one not used but for only the most trying times. But an option none the less.



Most abortions are because the woman doesn't want the baby. If women can opt out of being a parent, so should a man. He has the same reasons as a woman to not being ready to be a parent.

One sex shouldn't be granted "rights" while not granting the same rights to the other sex.
So go have an abortion if you want one. tongue
Then maybe they shouldn't be able to just walk out when they feel like it either.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Then maybe they shouldn't be able to just walk out when they feel like it either.


Deadbeat dads should be imprisoned for 18 years and all their belongings sold. All profits given to the mother and child. Maybe if this started happening there’d be a change of attitude towards abortion?
Maybe. The only problem is if they're in jail they can't work and there are no wages to take child support from. It's why the court system hesitates to lock them up.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


I never ever told anyone what they can't and can do.. Where do you get this crap GM,, Don't put frickin words in my mouth
Well you know how it works. If you don't tell a woman what is or isn't okay it means you are telling her what is okay. Either that or you should be telling her what to do. Murica!

It's like being stuck in an episode of The Honeymooners.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Then maybe they shouldn't be able to just walk out when they feel like it either.


If a woman can walk away from having a child, so should a man. He needs to declare that from the beginning, that he is aborting his role in raising the child.
rofl
Put up smiley faces all you want.

It is a matter of equal rights.

If a woman can decide she doesn't want to be a mother because she doesn't have the means, or the mental maturity to take on the responsibility, she can have a abortion and not have to deal with it.

A man should have the same rights. He might not be ready to have a child for one reason or the other.

You are for equal rights for all aren't you?
Once you can get Republicans to pass the equal rights for women amendment get back to me on that. So far they are the only people who seem to stand in the way of rights for people.

I mean are you really the one to be pointing fingers about equal rights at this time in history?
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Then maybe they shouldn't be able to just walk out when they feel like it either.


If a woman can walk away from having a child, so should a man. He needs to declare that from the beginning, that he is aborting his role in raising the child.


Thats rich,, Men usually do walk away,,,,,
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Yet you tell a woman she can't kill her 3 day old. You tell her she can't use crack, heroin, or LSD. you tell her she can't drink and drive. You tell her she can't steal, commit murder, lie under oath, etc, etc, etc. You see you have no problem telling a woman what she can't do. You only have a problem telling her she can't kill her own child in her womb.


I never ever told anyone what they can't and can do.. Where do you get this crap GM,, Don't put frickin words in my mouth


Holy "I don't get figuratively speaking" batman! blush
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Once you can get Republicans to pass the equal rights for women amendment get back to me on that. So far they are the only people who seem to stand in the way of rights for people.

I mean are you really the one to be pointing fingers about equal rights at this time in history?


First, that isn't up to Republicans. That is an amendment issue that requires state passage. After this long, I couldn't tell you which state are for and which are against.

To both you and Daman, you didn't answer my question so I assume you aren't for equal rights. That's cool if that is how you think.

First, understand I am not in favor of abortion except in very limited situations, so we can wipe away obvious rape, incest, the mothers health.

Again, what I am saying is if a woman decides she doesn't want the baby, she can more or less flush it down the sink and be scott free of the child. A male is stuck with it for 18 years if she doesn't want a abortion, and that isn't equal protection under the law. Men can decide they don't want to be a parent for the same reasons women decide they don't.


Trust me, I am not arguing for abortion. It's murder IMO except in very narrow circumstances. Health of Mother, the baby is obviously deformed.


Sadly, in the old days, if a deformed baby came out the mid-wife might hand it to Mama for a moment, then she gave it to Daddy and it was his sorry job to take it down to the river.

I don't want abortion, but if a woman can have one for convenience, so should a man.


So, you can talk out one side of your mouth and fart out the other, but I know I am right.
Posted By: Swish Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down LA Abortion Law - 07/02/20 09:08 PM
Woman have the right to get an abortion.

Get over it. The issue is done and over with. All you’re doing is wasting air lol. There’s literally no point in arguing with conservatives on this issue anymore.
I strongly support the right of a woman to choose so I support this. No individual should tell another person what to do with themselves, especially the government.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Woman have the right to get an abortion.

Get over it. The issue is done and over with. All you’re doing is wasting air lol. There’s literally no point in arguing with conservatives on this issue anymore.





I understand that.

You fail to see the point. If women have the right to absolve their responsibility of being a parent by aborting a child, men should have the same rights as well. Obviously he can't make her have a abortion, but he should be able to abort his responsibility for the child. You want it, I don't, it's on you.

Are you for equal rights or not?

If not, cool, just say so.


I do realize this is a inconvenient argument that paints you and a few others in to a corner.

I raised my children. All went to private high schools because we could. One went to Louisville and graduated Law School, one went to Duke, and one went to the University of Alabama. All graduated. Thankfully all of them got some type of scholarship to help the Two of us out.

We had this thing, we'd pay for most, but they had to take loans for books. We felt it important to make them feel invested in to their education. The youngest got book scholarships playing baseball, so we made him cover the back end of his tuition with loans.

All graduated, and it wasn't cheap, but worth it, every minute of the day.

If you are going to conceive a child, it is your duty to raise them to the best of your ability and not flush them down some sewer.


JMO and that won't change.
peen, I never talk about abortion on this board, but men walk away from their children all the time. I have no idea what you are rambling about because men "abort" their responsibility to their children every freaking day of the year.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
peen, I never talk about abortion on this board, but men walk away from their children all the time. I have no idea what you are rambling about because men "abort" their responsibility to their children every freaking day of the year.



You have no idea? You aren't a simpleton.


If women can decide they don't want to be a parent, men should as well.

Again, my argument isn't in favor of abortion or leaving your girl high and dry.



Both of us raised our children.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I strongly support the right of a woman to choose so I support this. No individual should tell another person what to do with themselves, especially the government.


Yet they do it 24/7 365 and you don't say a word. You don't utter a peep, you don't say a word. So why is it you don't complain about a womans right to choose when it comes to

Driving while drunk,or high, or on coke or heroin?
Walking around naked in public?
Buying or using crack, heroin, or LSD?
Speeding, running red lights or stop signs?
Telling her she can't steal?
Telling her she can't lie under oath?
Telling her she can not commit murder outside of her womb?
Be intoxicated in Public.
Commit suicide?
etc, etc, etc.
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I know I am right.


You always do. When a man has to carry a baby for nine months, give birth and take the risk of raising that baby alone, get back to me. As of now none of those things exist.

Quote:
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Five Republican attorneys general are seeking to block an effort by three Democratic-led states to see the Equal Rights Amendment is adopted into the U.S. Constitution.

Legal chiefs in five states — Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Nebraska and South Dakota — filed a motion on Thursday to intervene in a lawsuit filed by Virginia, Nevada and Illinois. All five rescinded their approvals of the ERA amendment before a congressionally mandated ratification deadline more than 40 years ago, Tennessee Attorney General Herbert Slatery said Thursday.

“Tennessee has an interest in ensuring that its vote to reject the ERA is given effect,” Slatery said.

Virginia recently became the 38th state to ratify the measure designed to guarantee women the same legal rights men enjoy. “Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex,” it says.

Constitutional amendments must be ratified by three-quarters of the 50 states, or 38. But the ERA’s future is uncertain, in part because the ratification deadline set by Congress expired so long ago.

Enforcing that rule fell to the archivist of the United States, David Ferriero, who announced that he would “take no action to certify the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment.” The three Democratic attorneys general sued Ferriero, arguing that the deadline, first set for 1979 and later extended to 1982, is not binding

“The Equal Rights Amendment is valid as the 28th Amendment to the Constitution, and it is disappointing and frankly unfathomable that any state would take action to block equal rights for women," said Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring in a statement.

Herring added the Democratic states “will continue working with our partners to ensure that all women have the constitutional equality to which they are entitled.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/art...ights-amendment


Now you can't claim you don't know.
Bla, bla, bla.


Yawn.

When you have something important to say, let me know.


You are a friend, so I am not going to say don't waste my time, but it kind of feels like it.


All I am saying is if women can abort their responsibilities, men should as well.
Yet it's men who abandon their responsibilities and leave women raising children alone the vast majority of the time.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yet it's men who abandon their responsibilities and leave women raising children alone the vast majority of the time.



I don't think it is the vast majority of the time in my world.



Maybe yours? I already explained how I raised my kids. I don't think you abandoned yours, did you?


You aren't answering the question. Are you for equal rights or not? Just answer the question. I don't need your mumbo jumbo.




Geeee….geeeee….feeeeee.



It's a simple question my friend. Basically a yes or no....LOL. Are you for gender rights or not?


I know, I got you. Spin as you wish. Your best reply is nothing....act like you left the board for a few days.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I strongly support the right of a woman to choose so I support this. No individual should tell another person what to do with themselves, especially the government.


Yet they do it 24/7 365 and you don't say a word. You don't utter a peep, you don't say a word. So why is it you don't complain about a womans right to choose when it comes to

Driving while drunk,or high, or on coke or heroin?
Walking around naked in public?
Buying or using crack, heroin, or LSD?
Speeding, running red lights or stop signs?
Telling her she can't steal?
Telling her she can't lie under oath?
Telling her she can not commit murder outside of her womb?
Be intoxicated in Public.
Commit suicide?
etc, etc, etc.



What kind of half ass questions are these? I'm not sure what your mindset is exactly, but you seem overly emotional and irrational. Incapable of making sound decisions. If I didn't know you were a guy I'd ask if it was that time of the month.
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I know, I got you. Spin as you wish. Your best reply is nothing....act like you left the board for a few days.


You have got nothing. Let me slow it down for you. Maybe that will help.

The vast majority of the time when children are abandoned, be that in the physical sense or from a financial standpoint, it's the father who does it.

Did I explain it in a way you can comprehend it this time?

Your view is that the fathers, who are usually the ones ho abandon children when that occurs, should once again be able to dictate their actions to the women.

As if a man has ever had to carry a child, give birth or make such a hard decision. You love the idea of taking a complicated issue and boil it down to some basic question and say there's only a yes or no answer.

It won't work peen.
I just don't understand some Republicans who won't budge on abortion. It's hypocritical of part of the party's stance where people just want to be left alone, albeit from government, others trying to make decisions for them.

I respect the other person's views and maybe they have strong religious beliefs or something I don't know. Its the same as how some aren't okay with gay,trans people, again who are you to tell someone what to do with their body. If someone feels one way or another, you're not going to persuade them so you might as well agree to disagree.
I have no problem with people having strongly held religious views that guide how they believe and feel. I have them myself.

I am strongly against abortion with the exceptions of incest, rape and the mothers health.

Where my issue begins is when they try and inflict their beliefs on others.

I have my own beliefs. I will not force my beliefs on others.

Since we have gone down the path of beliefs, here's another thing I believe. Since all of these Christian soldiers are so concerned with forcing these women to have children, it's my belief they should sign a pact that each of them are willing to adopt an unwanted child who they forced to be born.

No exceptions. Whether the child is black, white or Hispanic. Whether they're addicted to crack or heroin at birth. No matter if the child has birth defects. Stand in line and take a baby. Or shut the hell up.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I strongly support the right of a woman to choose so I support this. No individual should tell another person what to do with themselves, especially the government.


Yet they do it 24/7 365 and you don't say a word. You don't utter a peep, you don't say a word. So why is it you don't complain about a womans right to choose when it comes to

Driving while drunk,or high, or on coke or heroin?
Walking around naked in public?
Buying or using crack, heroin, or LSD?
Speeding, running red lights or stop signs?
Telling her she can't steal?
Telling her she can't lie under oath?
Telling her she can not commit murder outside of her womb?
Be intoxicated in Public.
Commit suicide?
etc, etc, etc.



What kind of half ass questions are these? I'm not sure what your mindset is exactly, but you seem overly emotional and irrational. Incapable of making sound decisions. If I didn't know you were a guy I'd ask if it was that time of the month.


Those are simple easy questions to answer. YOU claim that "No individual should tell another person what to do with themselves, especially the Government" Yet you support the government in telling women what they can and can't do every single day, and you only stand up for the women's right to kill her baby in the womb.

If you really believed the government can't tell people what to do why do you keep your mouth shut about all the others things the government tells women they can't do.
Posted By: Swish Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down LA Abortion Law - 07/04/20 01:31 PM
What else does the government tell women what they can’t do?

Let’s see, the government was cool with women serving in combat MOS’s.

The government got right a while back and allowed women to vote.

Women can wear whatever they want.

And NOW their right to an abortion has been reaffirmed.

Women can choose their own path in this country thanks to government supporting them through policy and then getting out of the way.

We still have some work to do with regards to women’s rights, but let’s make one thing clear here GM:

Your beliefs will cause us to go backwards, not forwards. And because of that, you’ll always be on the losing side.
If saving innocent babies is going backwards, slam this sucker in reverse and full speed behind. thumbsup
Posted By: Swish Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down LA Abortion Law - 07/04/20 04:44 PM
Lol jeez man..... anyway happy 4th I hope you’re doing well.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
If saving innocent babies is going backwards, slam this sucker in reverse and full speed behind. thumbsup



Honest question... In what world (in your mind) do these unwanted innocent babies live? What kind of life do you think these unwanted babies are going to live, likely being raised by a single mother that really didn’t want it?
Do you envision some sort of baby utopia for all the unwanted babies to frolic and play, while raised by two loving parents that wanted them?
What’s your endgame? And it can’t be some weird parallel universe that doesn’t exist... like everyone that gets pregnant does so intentionally, while having 2800 square feet in the suburbs, a stable marriage, and two 6 figure incomes, etc.
Come on Portland! Someone has to fill the prison systems of the future.
Hope you and yours had a perfect 4th Swish thumbsup
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
If saving innocent babies is going backwards, slam this sucker in reverse and full speed behind. thumbsup



Honest question... In what world (in your mind) do these unwanted innocent babies live? What kind of life do you think these unwanted babies are going to live, likely being raised by a single mother that really didn’t want it?
Do you envision some sort of baby utopia for all the unwanted babies to frolic and play, while raised by two loving parents that wanted them?
What’s your endgame? And it can’t be some weird parallel universe that doesn’t exist... like everyone that gets pregnant does so intentionally, while having 2800 square feet in the suburbs, a stable marriage, and two 6 figure incomes, etc.


In what world.... well lets see since we only have ONE world I would say ours. poke

As far as what kind of life would they live I have no clue. Just like you and I both have no clue about what kind of life anybody is going to live. Will he/she be raised by a single mother? Single father? be adopted? Be raised by a hetrosexual couple? Be raised by a gay couple? Neither you or I know, but they have a right to find out.

As far as your baby utopia you know better bro. I expect them to struggle at times in life, to have to work hard. To experience all the ups and downs that each and every one of us has in our life. To live, laugh, and love. Also to cry to go through all the ups and downs that life throws at each of us.

Now about your parallel universe.... just when did you start believing that everybody has to have had a planned pregnancy, a 2800 foot home in the burbs, a stable marriage, and two six figure incomes. WOW talk about a parallel universe 99 percent of the people who ever lived on this planet never had that.
I like this, I respect your views because it's a personal choice. Some force theirs upon others no matter what.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I like this, I respect your views because it's a personal choice. Some force theirs upon others no matter what.




It is legal. But murder is a choice.

As Pit said, as I have said many times, I have no problem in aborting a child who is the result of rape...seems to me most incest cases fall in to that range. That however is a very small percentage. Higher percentage are health of the mother, though in that case, most of the time you don't really know until the actual birthing process, and clearly if there is something wrong with the fetus, I can see terminating that.

I am not 100% against abortion.
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