With 80+ percent of Republicans (Trump supporters) now saying the election was illegitimate and some now calling for the suspension of democracy and or violence... I think the smart thing to do is prepare for bloodshed. I doubt it becomes a civil war because there are no lines on the battlefield that can be drawn to seperate them from the rest of us who respect the laws and tenets of democracy. Wanting legal votes thrown out because your guy didn't win is pure autocracy. Calling for electors to vote against the wishes of the people is dictator-like autocracy. And with the threatening gun toting protestors, the intimidation of public figures on both sides of the aisle via threats, and the lunatic political calls for people to stand up for trump even if it costs your life... violence is coming.
My only hope is that it is contained and limited to a small incident, but I don't think we can stop it from happening at this point.
Idaho health official tearfully leaves Zoom meeting to vote on local mask mandate after armed anti-mask protesters surround her home and bang on the door while her 12-year-old son was there alone
I hope some of these Gravy SEALs types start acting up. I’d love to see the National Guard show them that drinking Budweiser’s and eating sausages by the platter full at their buddy’s property while shooting their AK’s doesn’t make them trained for squat.
Making threats of violence IS NOT free speech. It's also not cute, it's illegal. And the right is full of Kool aid drinking muppets that think Trump is telling the truth.
Who Are The Oath Keepers? This Pro-Trump Militia Claims To Be “Protecting” America
Making threats of violence IS NOT free speech. It's also not cute, it's illegal. And the right is full of Kool aid drinking muppets that think Trump is telling the truth.
Who Are The Oath Keepers? This Pro-Trump Militia Claims To Be “Protecting” America
That one story is just a small piece of all that is going on Eve and you know it unless you are living under a rock. Republican officials are calling for martial law and suspension of the Constitution to overthrow the duly elected President-elect. Mouth breathers are "protesting" with guns terrorizing children of and public officials across the country. Republicans that don't blindly follow Trump are being threatened. The AZ GOPers called for people to stand and be ready to die for Trump to "save the steal"... wth else do you need as proof of where this is headed?
That one story is just a small piece of all that is going on Eve and you know it unless you are living under a rock. Republican officials are calling for martial law and suspension of the Constitution to overthrow the duly elected President-elect. Mouth breathers are "protesting" with guns terrorizing children of and public officials across the country. Republicans that don't blindly follow Trump are being threatened. The AZ GOPers called for people to stand and be ready to die for Trump to "save the steal"... wth else do you need as proof of where this is headed?
You are detached from reality. Maybe go outside and see human beings. You believe clickbait articles and inflammatory tweets as truth. Get a grip on yourself. Any random lameo can make threats and you will believe it and start shaking in your boots.
I'm not going to dignify your tripe with any more responses. I'm out every day and this crap is showing up everywhere in measurable differences. When a group becomes as detached from reality as trump supporters and there are 70+ million of them who daily fall further from reality... we are headed for violence and bloodshed. Might be minimal and isolated, but it's coming unless Republican leaders put the kibosh on it.
Have a laugh, won't be the first time I've been 100% right about something that the trolls laugh at just to be proven correct. I put up with that for years from arch and 40... but in the end I was right even though the kool aid won't let them admit that. Trump is a coward and a crook who colluded with Russia. The evidence proves it all. There is no evidence that says different except in maga fools land.
She did that after racist threats and death threats. Very unbecoming and she deserved discipline for it. Only wish the GOPers would reciprocate by putting their own house in order... But NOPE, they seem to want the blood to flow before they get their people to chill out and TELL THEM THE TRUTH THAT TRUMP IS A LOSER.
I don't know how scared I'd be, but if you are making death threats then show up with guns, damn right I'm taking you seriously. And talking about scared, you were the one who ran out and started buying guns for protection when the protests and riots were going on nowhere near you.
I posted a comment on a stupid internet board, you spent cold hard cash and from the pics you posted, a good bit of it most likely... just saying that's crapping your pants in my book. But we all know you like to run your mouth on us to troll, so whatever.
Well, no. The actual reason I bought the guns is because my friend, who is a conservative, has been hardcore on my ass about it. Because he feels the liberals will make it harder to possess guns and ammo. Which is not false based on Biden's platform.
Biden want to forbid online sales of guns and ammo.
I bought those guns but haven't yet been to the range to shoot them.
Not at the top of my priority list. I'm more about getting my new showerhead installed so I can have a proper spa bathroom while I'm stuck in the house avoiding covid.
Well, no. The actual reason I bought the guns is because my friend, who is a conservative, has been hardcore on my ass about it. Because he feels the liberals will make it harder to possess guns and ammo. Which is not false based on Biden's platform.
I bought those guns but haven't yet been to the range to shoot them.
Not at the top of my priority list. I'm more about getting my new showerhead installed so I can have a proper spa bathroom while I'm stuck in the house avoiding covid.
But, I'm ok with parading my AR around if it makes you cry in a girlish fit of horror. Clearly the right wing protesters with ARs have your number. lmao
The ones like your hero Rittenhouse do, yep. It only takes a second to go from legal open carry to murderer in those situations, and the time is accelerated for idiots toting guns.
Stupid behind a trigger is stupid behind a trigger. Most of those GOPer gun toting thugs are cowards without their guns. Add that to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.
I would never rent to a Trumpian. So if that is all you can say, calling me "scared girl" and other names that you somehow think hurt me, then you have nothing but pathetic trumpian thuggish rhetoric. Low rent crap like that will never get to me, so try MUCH harder.
To be honest, I have been prepared for that since my early 20's.
I am not saying for any specific reason, more for any reason.
People are foolish to be unprepared.
Ain't that the truth. I could have seen it coming from either side. At this point in time and considering the circumstances and rhetoric being espoused, I would see it coming more from the fringe extreme right. But that can change at any time.
I'm prepared to protect my own no matter which direction it comes from. But no matter what kind of BS Eve spouts on here, as of this moment the things being said can easily fuel the fringe on the right. The fuse is being lit.
Hopefully it fizzles out. But the longer this goes on the more dangerous the message is becoming that could easily fuel a lot of violence. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Making threats of violence IS NOT free speech. It's also not cute, it's illegal. And the right is full of Kool aid drinking muppets that think Trump is telling the truth.
Who Are The Oath Keepers? This Pro-Trump Militia Claims To Be “Protecting” America
Yet they refuse to talk about what happened before she lashed out. I wonder why that is?
Facing racist death threats, Detroit’s Cynthia Johnson won’t back down [VIDEO interview]
Democratic state Rep. Cynthia A. Johnson was among the House Oversight Committee members who heard Rudy Giuliani and others’ testimony last week on what they claim was evidence of widespread voter fraud in Michigan.
Even though those claims of voter fraud are still unfounded, Johnson, who represents Detroit, has received numerous death threats and other unsettling phone calls, text messages and emails. The messages range from racist epithets to actual threats of violence.
Johnson, who has been a state representative since 2019, has taken to social media to address these messages and the hearing that sparked them. Johnson told BridgeDetroit she won’t be intimidated by these threats.
“I’m not changing my phone number, I’m not changing my address, both of which are public. So I say keep it on, come on. Let’s show the world who you really are,” Johnson said.
Johnson isn’t the only Democratic woman in Michigan to face threats. Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson this week had armed protesters show up to her house to chant about unproven claims of election fraud.
Death threats against state officials and election canvassers have followed November’s election in Michigan. Republican Monica Palmer, chair of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, says she was threatened by multiple people for initially refusing to certify Wayne County’s vote. Palmer said there were various irregularities in Detroit’s ballot counting process.
Legislative aide Abigail Klomparens says Johnson has reported the threats to the House Sergeants who work with the Michigan State Police.
Speaker of the House Lee Chatfield and Speaker-elect Jason Wentworth today released a statement on a video that Johnson released on Facebook. That video has since been removed.
“Threats to either Democrats or Republicans are unacceptable and un-American. They’re even more unbecoming of an elected official. Rep. Johnson has been removed from her committee assignments, and we are looking into further disciplinary action as the proper authorities conduct their own investigations.
“We have been consistent in our position on this – violence and intimidation is never appropriate in politics. We have said that about threats against Gov. Whitmer, Secretary Benson, Rep. Johnson herself, and others. That applies to threats made toward public officials, and it must also apply when the threats come from public officials. Behavior like this will not be tolerated this term or next.”
Representative Cynthia A Johnson ...member of the Michigan congress:
This was a short 39-second video of Cynthia Johnson, in her own words, threatening Trump supporters. It was removed for violating Youtube terms of service goalposts...Youtube, Facebook, Twitter why the censorship? What are you afraid of people hearing, viewing, reading?
Who's to say they were? But that's what people like you do these days. Make wild accusations with no evidence to support them. There's fifty lost court cases and counting to back up that accusations. I call that evidence.
And soon Biden gets that title. Comes with the job.
Nope. It comes with a complete failure of leadership. Peen, how you can look at Trump and honestly tell me you believe he is a good leader and worthy of being the president of this country is so far beyond me, that it would be very difficult to have a conversation based on what has happened and is now happening. It’s astounding that people who believe they are reasonable support this man. It’s this simple, if you support and believe in this man, you are NOT reasonable.
I thought Obama was a divisive President. He could have done a much better job in many ways, and he and a Hillary contributed to the divide we are seeing now. So did Bush. But, Trump took it levels above all of them, to a peak I could not imagine when he took office.
I’ll never understand his cult like following. He is not charismatic, he is not well spoken, he is not intelligent, he is not thoughtful. He is none of the things that generally allow seemingly intelligent people to follow obviously disturbed individuals. Yet, millions of Americans support this man. Even when it is so obvious how his failings have hurt all of us during a crisis.
For the first time in my life, I do not believe we are one of the best countries in the world. We are still better than most, but that’s not good enough. This country’s government is letting us all down on both sides of the aisle, and most of us are too caught up in the contrived us versus them mentality that we can’t see the real truth, which is exactly what they want. We have become what they need to stay in power.
This country was built on diversity and individuals being able to pursue their own way and happiness. Now, we are choosing sides behind unstable and unworthy monarch type leaders.
Trump and McConnell are already going to hand Biden the worst economic recession since the depression. This after Obama inherited Bush's mess too. And it almost seems like they are rooting for America to fail now, after trying to end democracy this week, I put nothing past them.
I don't see how we move forward with people like this in our government. 150 years ago they both would have been tarred and feathered, then run out on a rail. Today that's considered assault, back then it was justice. The best we can do today is mock them and that only reinforces their base's fears.
The good news is that in 50 years or so there will be no conservatives left. They will all have died off or been bred out. America will be a social democracy and unbridled capitalism will be a thing of the past once and for all. I hope the new generations lead this country to a time of enlightenment and prosperity.
Trump and McConnell are already going to hand Biden the worst economic recession since the depression. This after Obama inherited Bush's mess too. And it almost seems like they are rooting for America to fail now, after trying to end democracy this week, I put nothing past them.
I don't see how we move forward with people like this in our government. 150 years ago they both would have been tarred and feathered, then run out on a rail. Today that's considered assault, back then it was justice. The best we can do today is mock them and that only reinforces their base's fears.
The good news is that in 50 years or so there will be no conservatives left. They will all have died off or been bred out. America will be a social democracy and unbridled capitalism will be a thing of the past once and for all. I hope the new generations lead this country to a time of enlightenment and prosperity.
And that right there is why I don't care about President Trumps leadership, or lack of.
I will do whatever I can to defeat trash thinking like you wrote above.
Well thankfully it does not matter - because Trump lost the election. And he's lost nearly 60 bogus court cases since in his autocratic attempt to usurp the will of the American people.
And that right there is why I don't care about President Trumps leadership, or lack of.
I will do whatever I can to defeat trash thinking like you wrote above.
Stop pretending OCD represents the typical Democrat or people who voted for Biden. He doesn't. What you're doing is no different than people who claim everyone who votes Republican is some kind of racist based on the few who are.
Stop trying to pass that off as an excuse to vote for a vile hate monger. We both know trump is the nastiest human being to ever sit in The White House. Stop making excuses why it's somehow acceptable to support that.
j/c.... are people still braying about this stuff?
Nobody is going to do anything because this populace is just too soft and lazy.
That said, if something is going to pop off, let's just do this already. Quit the lame posturing and shade throwing... just do it. I'm not picking a side though, everybody is a target, lol!
Multiple people stabbed after thousands gather for pro-Trump demonstrations in Washington
Thousands of maskless rallygoers who refuse to accept the results of the election turned downtown Washington into a falsehood-filled spectacle Saturday, two days before the electoral college will make the president’s loss official.
In smaller numbers than their gathering last month, they roamed from the Capitol to the Mall and back again, seeking inspiration from speakers who railed against the Supreme Court, Fox News and President-elect Joe Biden. The crowds cheered for recently pardoned former national security adviser Michael Flynn, marched with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and stood in awe of a flyover from what appeared to be Marine One.
But at night, the scene became violent. At least four people were stabbed near Harry’s Bar at 11th and F streets NW, a gathering point for the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist organization with ties to white nationalism.
The victims were hospitalized and suffered possibly life-threatening injuries, D.C. fire spokesman Doug Buchanan said. It was not immediately clear with which groups the attackers or the injured might have been affiliated.
The violence escalated after an evening of faceoffs with counterprotesters that took place near Harry’s, Black Lives Matter Plaza, Franklin Square, and other spots around downtown.
At first, officers in riot gear successfully kept the two sides apart, even as the groups splintered and roamed. In helmets and bulletproof vests, Proud Boys marched through downtown in militarylike rows, shouting “move out” and “1776!” They became increasingly angry as they wove through streets and alleys, only to find police continuously blocking their course with lines of bikes.
“Both sides of the aisle hate you now. Congratulations,” a Proud Boy shouted at the officers.
But before long, the agitators determined to find trouble were successful — and posturing quickly turned into punching, kicking and wrestling.
Again and again, officers swarmed, pulling the instigators apart, firing chemical irritants and forming lines between the sides. At Harry’s Bar, an ambulance arrived, but the extent of injuries was unknown.
Each time a fight was de-escalated, another soon began in a different part of town.
D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham made a brief appearance in the chaos, telling protesters: “We’re doing the best we can.”
In an interview, Newsham said police units were deployed across downtown to keep the groups apart. He said smaller segments of people who splintered from larger gatherings seemed “intent on conflict.”
D.C. police said that as of 9 p.m., 23 people were arrested Saturday, including 10 who were charged with misdemeanor assaults, six with assaulting police officers and four with rioting. Police said one person had an illegal Taser.
Two officers were hospitalized with moderate injuries suffered during clashes at 16th and K streets NW, police said. In all, police said eight people — including the four stabbing victims and the two officers — were injured.
The scuffles seemed poised to continue late into the night, as the black-and-yellow-clad Proud Boys knocked back beers, whiskey and White Claws. Some stole a Black Lives Matter banner, paraded it down M Street NW, then stomped on it.
The group received recognition from Trump himself at a presidential debate in September, when he told them to “stand back and stand by.”
As the Proud Boys appeared at rallies earlier in the day Saturday, Trump cheered on all of the supporters who showed up to falsely claim that the election was stolen from him, tweeting “Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA.”
The majority-White crowd ranged from gray-haired men and women in red hats to children in wagons, one of whom chanted “100 more years!
As the nation watches Biden’s transition, rising coronavirus cases and vaccine development, Trump’s attempts to maintain power have also been playing out. To his most dedicated supporters, the president’s megaphone is as loud as ever. He has continued to falsely claim the election was stolen from him, prompting his faithful to return to the nation’s capital.
Flynn appeared on the steps of the Supreme Court to encourage them to maintain hope, despite the justices’ dismissal Friday night of Trump’s long-shot bid to overturn election results.
“Don’t get bent out of shape,” Flynn said. “There are still avenues … We’re fighting with faith, and we’re fighting with courage.”
After Flynn finished speaking, he was chased by shouting admirers who cheered: “We love you, general!” Bodyguards tried to keep the fans at bay as Flynn kept smiling.
The speakers painted a picture of a country in a battle between good and evil, in which God himself would ultimately ensure Trump remained in power. Sebastian Gorka, a former foreign policy adviser to Trump, said that when he heard the Supreme Court had dismissed an election case from Texas on Friday night, he told himself to “stop, take a deep breath, count to 10, read the Bible and pray.”
“We, thanks to our lord and savior, have already won,” Gorka claimed.
A priest featured on a Jumbotron prayed to “place thyself at the head of this army of thy children.”
Ruth Hillary, 58, a pastor from California, listened while holding up her “Stop the Steal” sign. She said she will continue to protest as long as the president and vice president believe she should.
“If President Trump accepts it and Vice President Pence accepts it, then we will accept it,” she said. “But right now, this is a Godly protest.”
Jones, the Infowars host known for his denial of the Sandy Hook massacre, alternated between speaking about God and the future president: “Joe Biden is a globalist, and Joe Biden will be removed one way or another,” he said from a stage on the Mall.
Trump backer and MyPillow founder Mike Lindell argued that “Fox [News] was in on it,” while podcaster David Harris Jr. riled the crowd by suggesting that if there were a civil war, “we’re the ones with all the guns,” he said.
All day, the masses nodded along to falsehoods, prayed for the country and cheered beside one another without masks.
D.C. police did not enforce mask rules or issue fines to those who ignored social distancing guidelines, even as the region faces an unprecedented spike in coronavirus cases. Dozens of D.C. police officers have tested positive in the weeks since the last pro-Trump rally in November. As of Friday, 94 remained in quarantine. Police have declined to draw a direct link between demonstrations and the spike in infections among officers.
On Saturday, local activists were frustrated with police tactics aimed at maintaining peace. For part of the evening, officers formed intermittent blockades at the perimeter of Black Lives Matter Plaza, essentially penning in counterprotesters while Trump supporters were free to roam.
“They can move around however they please,” said Constance Young, 37. “We’re not the ones not wearing masks and spreading covid.”
D.C. residents have expressed concern that the influx of maskless protesters puts the entire city at risk, especially workers in restaurants and hotels. Activists flooded the inboxes of city officials, asking them to shut down businesses that allow people to congregate without masks. They called hotels to ask that they refuse to host those planning to attend Saturday’s rallies, with little success.
Protesters still came in from around the country, with family, friends and flags in tow.
David Dumiter, 33, and his niece Monica Stanciu drove eight hours from Dearborn, Mich., to be at the Washington Monument on Saturday.
Dumiter, an airplane mechanic who said he has been unemployed since the pandemic decimated air travel, said he knew the Supreme Court had blocked any legal path to reverse the results of the election. That didn’t change his mind about showing up Saturday. The president was still pushing, so he would, too.
“We’re not going to cave in,” Dumiter said.
That sentiment seemed to fuel the pro-Trump groups that stretched their demonstrations late into the night, even after every fight was broken up by police and multiple arrests were made.
At Harry’s, a half-dozen Proud Boys marched through the streets, chanting, “all lives matter!” They were cheered on by other members of the group who joined them at 11th and E streets NW, flashing the three-fingered white-supremacist salute.
Moments later, the crowd turned and converged on a corner, shoving and jostling as the chant rose to a fever pitch. Men pushed each other as they tried to film what was happening in the center of the chaos.
More than 100 D.C. police officers swarmed the street. Police with canisters of chemical spray rushed into the fray, pushing people aside and separating the crowd. Two people lying on the sidewalk were transferred into ambulances.
But an hour later, more than 150 demonstrators were still there, chanting and drinking in the rain. The president was refusing to concede the election, and they were refusing to go home.
Only problem is there is always that one loner or that group that just has to take it a little further... But most are harmless, all bark no bite. And I think they flex more in large groups, so there is that. But I still expect some more bloodshed, just like in that article. Tuesday will probably be a loud day because the electors will cast the final vote.
“If President Trump accepts it and Vice President Pence accepts it, then we will accept it,” she said. “But right now, this is a Godly protest.”
Dumb crazy idiots that think God is on their side. I can't even begin to state how many ways that's so messed up and asinine.
Flynn - Scum. Trump - Scum. Pence - Scum. Every Republican politician that wants to continue the lie that the election was stolen - scum. . . . Every single one of them creating deeper divisions and more hate in this country.
Remember when Trump won and there was a few crazy students and Liberals crying for days ... and the derision they go? Pffft - this is crazy and moronic on a scale previously unseen. So many morons falling for the lies of a snake oil salesman.
You listen to fringe groups and try to paint most with that broad brush. Its moronic.
I listen to those that speak. The President of the United States stokes this crap... You wanna call it moronic, I tend to agree, the President is a Moron..
That's where all this starts....
Listen to the president, he calls for civil unrest.. Because you don't want to hear it or see it or believe it doesn't make it less real.
Then again, you believe in Trump, so there you have it
j/c.... are people still braying about this stuff?
Nobody is going to do anything because this populace is just too soft and lazy.
That said, if something is going to pop off, let's just do this already. Quit the lame posturing and shade throwing... just do it. I'm not picking a side though, everybody is a target, lol!
#GameOn
I'm in favor for whatever group sets in a dictatorial mandate that the Browns win every single game through the Super Bowl.
Similar to Sasha Baren Cohen's "The Dictator." Have Chubb run for a touchdown and then just have rubber bullets shot at the players trying to tackle him.
j/c.... are people still braying about this stuff?
Nobody is going to do anything because this populace is just too soft and lazy.
That said, if something is going to pop off, let's just do this already. Quit the lame posturing and shade throwing... just do it. I'm not picking a side though, everybody is a target, lol!
#GameOn
I'm in favor for whatever group sets in a dictatorial mandate that the Browns win every single game through the Super Bowl.
Similar to Sasha Baren Cohen's "The Dictator." Have Chubb run for a touchdown and then just have rubber bullets shot at the players trying to tackle him.
Can you change that to "through and including the Super Bowl" please?
'Credible threats of violence' prompt closure of Michigan capitol to the public ahead of Electoral College vote
"Credible threats of violence" have prompted Michigan authorities to close the state capitol to the public and shutter House and Senate offices, a spokeswoman said, on the day the Electoral College will formally declare Joe Biden the President-elect.
"The decision was not made because of anticipated protests, but was made based on credible threats of violence," Amber McCann, the deputy chief of staff and spokeswoman for Republican Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, said in a statement.
Gideon D'Assandro, the communications director for state GOP House Speaker Lee Chatfield, also told CNN Sunday evening that the offices would be closed. He didn't elaborate on the security concern, but said the House and legislative bodies were informed about it by the Michigan State Police, which declined to comment on the matter to CNN.
Citing "safety and security concerns in the downtown Lansing area," a notification emailed to Michigan lawmakers advised staff to work remotely.
"Only those needed for the Electoral College will be permitted in the Capitol Building," says the email, a copy of which was shared with CNN by D'Assandro.
The Electoral College meeting will be streamed via Senate TV, McCann said.
The Electoral College count is typically a routine procedure to formalize the presidential election results, but this year, it has gained a new significance amid unprecedented pressure from President Donald Trump and several Republican allies who have sought to overturn the election in key battleground states -- including Michigan -- that he lost to Biden.
Michigan, in particular, has been an epicenter of tension this year. In the spring, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer faced heated pushback over pandemic stay-at-home orders, and protesters, some of whom were armed, stormed the Michigan capitol. And weeks before the election, 13 people were charged in an alleged domestic terrorism plot to kidnap Whitmer.
Whitmer and other state Democratic officials have at times blamed Trump for provoking tensions, with the governor writing in an Atlantic op-ed that every time the President attacks her on Twitter, there is a "surge of vicious attacks" and that he is putting women leaders "at risk."
The White House has repeatedly disputed Whitmer's accusations.
I don't think there's any need for bloodshed. From what I'm reading here, given the disdain you guys have shown for Trump and his supporters over the last 4 years, if the 70 million Trumpians decide to cry and take their ball home, you would support their Right to Secede. In fact I'd think you guys would be pushing for it. Cut 'em loose. Let those brain dead, selfish, uneducated racist hillbillies go off and die.
You guys never viewed Trump as a legitimate President. You guys refused to even attempt to understand or show unity with those you disagreed with. Now the pendulum has swung. A significant number of people don't view Joe and his Ho as legitimate. I'll be honest and up front and tell you now that I have no intentions of 'unifying' with any of you. Even if there is a view point we both share, I'm not going to stand in solidarity with the likes of you.
We've arrived at an impasse, not only in policy, but also in how we view each other. There's no reason Mommy and Daddy can't go their separate ways without smacking each other around.
There really is no good argument against dissolving the current Union and allowing States to re-negotiate their alliances. Bonus points for looking more like Europe if we broke in to 3 or so different countries.
You are hilarious. Trump spouted division, hatred and name calling from the very beginning. Trying to change history about that now is a pipe dream. Yet I'm not surprised you support the very same actions that led our nation into its last civil war.
And of course there are innocent victims in even the reddest of states that still need our protection. Just like there are still Republicans in California.
You are hilarious. Trump spouted division, hatred and name calling from the very beginning. Trying to change history about that now is a pipe dream. Yet I'm not surprised you support the very same actions that led our nation into its last civil war.
And of course there are innocent victims in even the reddest Donald Trump played by the rules you and your ilk established. He of states that still need our protection. Just like there are still Republicans in California.
I don't think there's any need for bloodshed. From what I'm reading here, given the disdain you guys have shown for Trump and his supporters over the last 4 years, if the 70 million Trumpians decide to cry and take their ball home, you would support their Right to Secede. In fact I'd think you guys would be pushing for it. Cut 'em loose. Let those brain dead, selfish, uneducated racist hillbillies go off and die.
You guys never viewed Trump as a legitimate President. You guys refused to even attempt to understand or show unity with those you disagreed with. Now the pendulum has swung. A significant number of people don't view Joe and his Ho as legitimate. I'll be honest and up front and tell you now that I have no intentions of 'unifying' with any of you. Even if there is a view point we both share, I'm not going to stand in solidarity with the likes of you.
We've arrived at an impasse, not only in policy, but also in how we view each other. There's no reason Mommy and Daddy can't go their separate ways without smacking each other around.
There really is no good argument against dissolving the current Union and allowing States to re-negotiate their alliances. Bonus points for looking more like Europe if we broke in to 3 or so different countries.
Trump supporters wave ‘ban homo marriage’ and ‘coming for Blacks and Indians’ signs at Washington MAGA march
Trump supporters at a Washington Million MAGA March brought signs reading “ban homo marriage” and “coming for Blacks and Indians first”.
The Million MAGA March in Washington DC on Saturday (14 November) saw droves of Trump supporters take to the streets to back the president’s debunked and baseless claims that the election was “rigged” and “fraudulent”.
Thousands MAGA hat-wearing protesters were joined at the rally by members of violent, homophobic far-right groups such as the Proud Boys, many of whom wore T-shirts emblazoned with the phrase “stand back, stand by”.
According to the BBC, conspiracy theorist and “extremist” Alex Jones, who previously described the LGBT+ community as a “bunch of pedophiles”, addressed the crowd.
But some of the placards brought by protesters were so shocking, that they even “disturbed” a Fox News anchor.
In the middle of an interview with Mike Allen, co-founder of the US news website AXIOS, Fox anchor Eric Shawn interrupted: “We just saw a very disturbing sign, it said ‘Coming for Blacks and Indians, welcome to the new world order’.”
Frazzled, he added: “I mean, who the hell knows, you know, what people have, and what they will say about those things.”
Another placard that also appeared during the broadcast read: “Make America great again: Ban homo marriage.”
Donald Trump drove through the march, waving to protesters. Later, violence broke out between his supporters and counter protesters, and officials told the BBC that 20 people were arrested on charges including assault and weapons possession. One stabbing was reported.
Despite claims by White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany that the Million MAGA March drew “more than one MILLION marchers”, the actual estimated turnout was around 10,000.
A significant number of people don't view Joe and his Ho as legitimate.
Don't refer to a black woman or any woman as a Ho.
He sounds just like Trump then blames the other side. At least Jill didn't do nude photo shoots. Let's face it, it's been proven that if someone wants to go the ho route, Donald sends them checks.
And BTW Devil, my post was far more honest than yours was.
Yo if you conservatives/ right wing guys dislike your fellow Americans that much that you want to separate, just do it already.
Good lord, just go. Y’all just as pathetic as the lame ass celebrities who claimed their moving out if trump won.
But if you don’t plan on relocating and creating your own neo-confederacy or whatever y’all plan on calling it, then shut the hell up and move on.
Trust me, you won’t be missed.
We won't be missed??? Oh OK who is going to pay all your taxes and programs?
California is running its self into the ground. Their big business is leaving as fast as they can and a lot of their regular people are trying to get away from high taxes.
I know that facts don't matter, but just in case....
The ten states with the lowest net federal funding per resident are:
New Jersey (-$2,368) Massachusetts (-$2,343) New York (-$1,792) North Dakota (-$720) Illinois (-$364) New Hampshire (-$234) Washington (-$184) Nebraska (-$164) Colorado (-$95) California ($12)
Here are the 10 states with the most federal funding per resident:
Virginia ($10,301) Kentucky ($9,145) New Mexico ($8,692) West Virginia ($7,283) Alaska ($7,048) Mississippi ($6,880) Alabama ($6,694) Maryland ($6,035) Maine ($5,572) Hawaii ($5,270)
A significant number of people don't view Joe and his Ho as legitimate. I'll be honest and up front and tell you now that I have no intentions of 'unifying' with any of you. Even if there is a view point we both share, I'm not going to stand in solidarity with the likes of you.
My mind is continuously blown by statements like this (both from the right and left (especially folks like OCD)).
You are allowed to be a Republican AND dislike Trump. Just like I can lean left but not like Bernie.
I just don't get it. I don't think I'll ever understand how someone can be firmly behind Trump (NOT republicans, just Trump) while simultaneously preaching unity/patriotism.
President Trump's administration has certainly done good things for the country, but I wholeheartedly believe that he is the worst thing that has happened to the USA in a long time.
I know that facts don't matter, but just in case....
The ten states with the lowest net federal funding per resident are:
New Jersey (-$2,368) Massachusetts (-$2,343) New York (-$1,792) North Dakota (-$720) Illinois (-$364) New Hampshire (-$234) Washington (-$184) Nebraska (-$164) Colorado (-$95) California ($12)
Here are the 10 states with the most federal funding per resident:
Virginia ($10,301) Kentucky ($9,145) New Mexico ($8,692) West Virginia ($7,283) Alaska ($7,048) Mississippi ($6,880) Alabama ($6,694) Maryland ($6,035) Maine ($5,572) Hawaii ($5,270)
Yo if you conservatives/ right wing guys dislike your fellow Americans that much that you want to separate, just do it already.
Good lord, just go. Y’all just as pathetic as the lame ass celebrities who claimed their moving out if trump won.
But if you don’t plan on relocating and creating your own neo-confederacy or whatever y’all plan on calling it, then shut the hell up and move on.
Trust me, you won’t be missed.
We won't be missed??? Oh OK who is going to pay all your taxes and programs?
California is running its self into the ground. Their big business is leaving as fast as they can and a lot of their regular people are trying to get away from high taxes.
TRULY CLUELESS.
California has one of the largest economies on earth. And they and New York pay way more into the national coffers than any red state! lmao Your alt right alternative facts are a national embarrassment. Your taxes only go to keeping you chained to your job/business.
I think it's funny how so many welfare or other Government benefit collecting republicans (not saying Duty is one) say this same crapola every day with a straight face and 1000% belief. This is what misinformation not being called out does to America. ALL GOPer media should be shut down or charged enormous dumbass tax.
Duty, your ire on the left like they are sucking money out of the economy by not paying taxes is wrong too. This is the rich and corporations wanting you to blame the OTHER, while they are the ones paying too little or nothing in taxes. Yet you and your side protect them at every turn. They are socialist bro! Trump is a socialist too! He paid $750 in taxes or some crazy crap like that! Where was your rage? Don't be a hypocrite, call him out on it here and now!
I know that facts don't matter, but just in case....
The ten states with the lowest net federal funding per resident are:
New Jersey (-$2,368) Massachusetts (-$2,343) New York (-$1,792) North Dakota (-$720) Illinois (-$364) New Hampshire (-$234) Washington (-$184) Nebraska (-$164) Colorado (-$95) California ($12)
Here are the 10 states with the most federal funding per resident:
Virginia ($10,301) Kentucky ($9,145) New Mexico ($8,692) West Virginia ($7,283) Alaska ($7,048) Mississippi ($6,880) Alabama ($6,694) Maryland ($6,035) Maine ($5,572) Hawaii ($5,270)
If all states receive such things as road taxes, that's an equal distribution. I understand that breaking down which states receive the most federal dollars per capita is an inconvenient fact however.
I don't think people look at the big picture in order to support their point of view.
Federal funding comes in many forms.
Take road funding, which is huge for all states.
It benefits all states for other states to have decent roads, so all states share in funding programs.
Federal spending per capita isn't a good measure for any to use.
If the discussion is about how some states might want to secede and how economically viable that it ... then Federal spending per capita is one of the most relevant indicators to look at.
Yeah, but he was talking about roads and stuff, not people.
I can't vouch for the accuracy or authenticity of the data ... but if the information is as posted "Net Federal Funding per capita" .... if means just that. Which states contribute more - or receive more Federal funding (financial benefit).
So - for example - NJ has more contributions to the Federal coffers than it withdraws to the tune of $2K+ per person per year. AL has a net benefit - they receive more money from Federal coffers than they contribute.
The data does not mean the state will be poor or insolvent without Federal aid / spending - but it indicates how big a hole it might leave for the state to fill.
States like KY, NM, WV, AK, AL which all benefit massively from Federal spend per capita all jump out as states that would seem to lack a significant state economy to secede.
It doesn't matter if the Federal Spend is on Roads, Infrastructure, Medical or whatever. The $$$ are simply the $$$.
Kansas mayor received so many threats after supporting a mask mandate that she resigned
A Kansas mayor has resigned after backlash to comments she made in support of a mask mandate in her city.
Dodge City Mayor Joyce Warshaw submitted her letter of resignation Tuesday. It was effective immediately and it cited concerns for her safety.
"Life has dealt out many challenges in our world that have perhaps caused many people to act inappropriately but I do not feel safe in this position anymore and am hopeful in removing myself this anger, accusations and abuse will not fall on anyone else and will calm down," Warshaw wrote in the letter.
The Dodge City commission voted in favor of a mask mandate on November 16 following a spike in coronavirus cases in the western Kansas city which has a population of nearly 30,000 people.
In a December 11 USA TODAY story, Warshaw expressed her support for the mandate and said that it wasn't until the threat of the flu season and the spike in national cases that city officials felt it was necessary to pass a mask mandate.
"We just felt like we had to do something so everybody was aware of how important it was for everybody to be responsible for each other's health and well-being," Warshaw was quoted in the story, causing backlash from citizens.
Since the article was published, Warshaw has received threatening phone calls and emails from Dodge City citizens, according to the Dodge City Daily Globe.
Police are investigating the threats but could not provide any further information as it is an ongoing investigation, authorities told CNN.
"I understand people are under a lot of pressure from various things that are happening around society like the pandemic, the politics, the economy, so on and so forth, but I also believe that during these times people are acting not as they normally would," Warshaw told the Daily Globe. "I think it's best for me and the city that I love to remove myself from the commission at this time and from the mayorship so that the city can move forward and be the best that it can be because I believe in the city."
Warshaw was the third female mayor in the city's history and had served on the city commission since 2012, according to the Daily Globe.
The vacancy will be discussed at a city commission meeting later this month.
Michigan lawmaker stripped of duties after refusing to rule out violence at electoral college vote
Republican state representative removed form committee assignments for rest of term by party leaders
Republican legislative leaders in Michigan have stripped a lawmaker of his committee assignments on Monday after he hinted about his involvement in a group that intends to disrupt the Electoral College vote scheduled for the afternoon.
Representative Gary Eisen, who represents St Clair Township, made the remarks in the morning during an interview with radio station WPHM of Port Huron.
When asked about the electoral college, set to meet in the state Senate chamber to cast the state's 16 electoral votes for President-elect Joe Biden, Mr Eisen said that he and others were planning some sort of event and that he could not rule out the possibility of violence.
Mr Eisen also called a threat that was received against the state capitol in Lansing, “convenient” as it would make it more difficult for supporters of Donald Trump to contest the Electoral College results.
“We have been consistent in our position on issues of violence and intimidation in politics — it is never appropriate and never acceptable. That is true of threats or suggestions of violence against Governor Whitmer, Secretary Benson, Representative Johnson and others on the Oversight committee, Republicans, Democrats, and members of the Electoral College. That applies to threats made toward public officials, and it must also apply when the public officials open the door to violent behavior and refuse to condemn it. We must do better."
He continued: “We as elected officials must be clear that violence has no place in our democratic process. We must be held to a higher standard. Because of that, Representative Eisen has been removed from his committee assignments for the rest of the term.”
Both the Capitol and legislative buildings in Lansing are closed on Monday due to a “credible threat of violence” according to a state Senate spokesperson.
Mr Eisen was asked in the radio interview to elaborate on what he meant as his comments sounded dangerous. He was also asked if he could ensure people would not get hurt.
"No. I don’t know. Because what we’re doing today is uncharted. It hasn’t been done. And it’s not me who’s doing it... it’s the Michigan Republican Party," Mr Eisen replied.
A Republican Party spokesperson said that they were unaware of what Mr Eisen was referring to, the Detroit Free Press reports.
The electoral college vote in the state takes place at 2pm. A small group of protesters had gathered in front of the Capitol building on Monday lunchtime.
Mr Eisen was one of 16 state lawmakers from Michigan who signalled their support for the Texas attorney general’s lawsuit alleging mass voter fraud across four states, including their own.
The Supreme Court refused to take up the case on Friday evening.
President-elect Joe Biden won Michigan by more than 154,000 votes.
Yeah, but he was talking about roads and stuff, not people.
Right, because federal spending isn't just factored on social type programs.
From my understanding - and I could be wrong - it is all federal spending, so you'd have more fixed costs (like roads and whatnot) combined with variable costs (welfare, assistance, etc.) divided by the number of people to get a sense of total federal expenditures on a per-person basis.
How ironic you mention Matt Dillon...that's the program I'm watching at this moment...
I like the way Dillon handled "stupid" in Dodge City...first he would try to thump some sense into the perpetrator and if that didn't work, Dillon would resort to a higher level of punishment...lol..
In this day, I guess some things just can't be fixed..
Police in Houston arrested a former Houston Police captain on Tuesday, charging him with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly running an appliance repair truck off the road and holding its driver at gunpoint in a failed bid to find fake ballots. The former cop, Mark Aguirre, had been hired by the Liberty Center for God and Country, a conservative group led by Republican megadonor Steven Hotze, to find evidence of the widespread voter fraud conservatives baselessly believed was being carried out in Harris County, The Texas Tribune reports.
"We are lucky no one was killed," Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said in a statement. "His alleged investigation was backward from the start — first alleging a crime had occurred and then trying to prove it happened." The assault charges carry up to 20 years in jail
I think it says a lot about the political parties when they give us people like Biden. Dude will bend over to China the first chance he gets. How much you want to bet we'll be in a foreign war during his tenure? How much do you want to start the wager at? How much? I'm taking bets. He's a globalist and wants the US to be the world's policeman again. Show me where he is for America first. I want by what he says then an action used as a real world example.
America First was a slogan, not an actual thing. And if you think Biden is an ass, you weren't paying attention to trump. I guess things like mocking a disabled reporter, calling his opponents names, saying he would grab women by the vagina or saying Obama was a Muslim born in Kenya doesn't qualify as being an ass to you. I could go on but Trump is the biggest ass to ever sit in The White House. Sadly you know it yet follow his example. You're just salty because he's a loser.
FYI - the lack of "an" in his statement I think distinguishes that he doesn't think Biden is AN ass, but that he's just a poor candidate. I could be wrong, though.
Not agreeing or disagreeing, just clarifying (I think???).
Once you elect a sorry human being to be president and the people get to witness that man up close for four years, it doesn't take much of a candidate to beat him.
The Proud Boys Are Reportedly Using YouTube To Organise Violence At Biden’s Inauguration
The Proud Boys have vowed to return to Washington DC ‘bigger and stronger than ever’ on Inauguration Day.
The far-right, male-only political organisation has turned to YouTube to recruit new members and promote events.
One of its organisers, Joe Biggs, has started a show on his channel called The War Boys, which often takes aim at liberals and anti-fascists.
In a recent episode, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio encourages Biggs’ 13,800 subscribers to ‘take over’ President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration in January 2021.
‘Do whatever you got to do to f*ck*ng get your tickets. You show up there in Biden gear and you turn his inauguration into a f*ck*ng circus, a sign of resistance, a sign of revolution …. You f*ck*ng kick off this presidency with f*ck*ng fireworks,’ Tarrio tells listeners.
Describing the political divide between Democrats and Republicans as ‘good and evil’, Biggs said of Biden’s party:
The same party that said if we lockdown for a month, we can flatten the curve, we can go back to normal … They are con artists. They are evil scum and they all deserve to die a traitor’s death.
It was the same episode that encouraged members of the party to go to Washington DC last weekend, December 12, to protest the election results.
The Proud Boys have claimed that they are not racist. However, footage from the protests last week showed its members vandalising and then burning a ‘Black Lives Matter’ sign, which they had stolen from DC’s oldest Black church.
Reporters at the scene said the group poured lighter fluid on the sign before setting it alight as a large, cheering crowd gathered around them.
Asbury’s lead pastor, Ianther M. Mills, said she had seen ‘an apparent rise in White supremacy’. In a statement to Fox News, she compared the burning of the signs to Ku Klux Klan cross-burnings.
Mills said: For me it was reminiscent of cross-burnings. As horrible and as disturbing as this is for us now – it doesn’t compare with the challenges and fears the men and women who started Asbury, 184 years ago, faced. So we will move forward, undaunted in our assurance that Black Lives Matter.
Since the incident, police are now investigating property damage and potential hate crime charges.
FBI: White supremacists plotted attack on US power grid
The FBI alleges in an affidavit that white supremacists schemed to attack power stations in the southeastern U.S. and one Ohio teenager wanted the group to be “operational” on a faster timeline if President Donald Trump lost his re-election bid
White supremacists plotted to attack power stations in the southeastern U.S., and an Ohio teenager who allegedly shared the plan said he wanted the group to be “operational” on a fast-tracked timeline if President Donald Trump were to lose his re-election bid, the FBI alleges in an affidavit that was mistakenly unsealed.
The teen was in a text group with more than a dozen people in the fall of 2019 when he introduced the idea of saving money to buy a ranch where they could participate in militant training, according to the affidavit, which was filed under seal along with a search warrant application in Wisconsin’s Eastern U.S. District Court in March. The documents were inadvertently unsealed last week before the mistake was discovered and they were quickly sealed again.
The teenager wanted the group to be “operational” by the 2024 election because he believed it was likely a Democrat would win, but “the timeline for being operational would accelerate if President Trump lost the 2020 election,” according to the affidavit. An informant told investigators that the teen “definitely wanted to be operational for violence, but also activism.”
The Ohio teen, who was 17 at the time, also shared plans with a smaller group about a plot to create a power outage by shooting rifle rounds into power stations in the southeastern U.S. The teen called the plot “Light's Out” and there were plans to carry it out in the summer of 2021, the affidavit states.
One group member, a Texas native who was a Purdue University student at the time, allegedly sent the informant a text saying “leaving the power off would wake people up to the harsh reality of life by wreaking havoc across the nation.”
The affidavit identifies three people by name and references others who were allegedly communicating with or part of the group. The Associated Press is not naming any of the individuals because charges have not been publicly filed.
None of the three men immediately replied to emails, texts or voicemails left Tuesday seeking comment. The father of one of the men had no comment.
Federal prosecutors in Ohio are taking the lead on the case. Jennifer Thornton, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of Ohio, said she couldn't provide additional information because the investigation is ongoing, but “we want to emphasize that there is no imminent public safety threat related to this matter.”
The affidavit details an investigation into group members, who allegedly share white supremacist ideology. The document outlines how they communicated over encrypted messaging applications before three of them eventually met up in person. They also allegedly shared recommended reading on white supremacist literature, required a “uniform” to symbolize their commitment and talked about making weapons. The affidavit says the Ohio teen put Nazi flags in his room, but his mother told him to take them down.
Some group members also indicated that they were prepared to die for their beliefs. One man from Oshkosh, Wisconsin, allegedly told the Ohio teen: “I can say with absolute certainty that I will die for this effort. I swear it on my life.” The teen replied: “I can say the same,” the court documents state.
According to the affidavit, the Wisconsin man also told an undercover FBI employee in February that the group was interested in taking “direct action” against the system and said, “If you truly want a fascist society I will put in the effort to work with you but recruitment is long and not going to be easy."
He then outlined a “radicalization” process to instill a “revolutionary mindset” which ended with recruits proving they are more than just talk. He allegedly wrote that if it seemed too tough, “I recommend leaving now, we are extremely serious about our goals and ambitions.”
The affidavit says the Ohio teen also spoke numerous times about creating Nazi militant cells around the country like those of the neo-Nazi network the Atomwaffen Division.
Atomwaffen Division members have promoted “accelerationism,” a fringe philosophy espousing mass violence to fuel society’s collapse. More than a dozen people linked to the group or an offshoot called the Feuerkrieg Division have been charged with serious crimes in recent years.
This investigation apparently began after a fourth man, from Canada, was stopped while trying to enter the U.S. The man told border agents that he was going to visit the Ohio teen, whom he had recently met over an encrypted app, according to the affidavit. Agents found Nazi and white supremacist images on his phone.
Not ANTIFA. But it is a well known far left symbol. I have a gut feeling this was not done by Anarchist because the blood was fake. Anarchist might have lit a small fire too. Won't be surprised, if anyone is caught, to find out this is from the right or somebody trying to lay it on the left. But that never happens...
But the far left is plenty angry at dems right now, so it could be.
The tagging and display of a pig's head and fake blood is a warning that the guillotines are coming. Meaning the rich and powerful will fall along with the government when the people rise up to take back their power. BUT to be honest, it's staging is so corny and obvious to those that get the symbology that it looks like some crap that Charlie Kirk or Project Veritas and James O'Keefe would pull. And that would make sense with TMZ getting the tip but no other msm outlets reporting.
The biggest giveaway IMHO is the "We want everything"... Nobody on the left has or probably ever will say that. And it's not mentioned but it looks like the other three items are $2k with a strikethrough, Cancel Rent, and UBI... I don't know anyone wanting to 'cancel rent', except maybe the communist who despise anyone who doesn't contribute through personal labor, like landlords. The left is worried about the rent/mortgage moratorium ending and millions being on the street, so they want to government to offset past rent, not cancel or end it altogether. Andrew Yang is the only one I know who is pushing for UBI strongly, although others have talked about it openly. The strikethrough on $2k seems like they took it off the list but I assure you that the left hasn't done that. So when you add it all together it points more right than left.
Oh I agree with that Peen. It even crossed my mind that Pelosi herself might have staged this because of all the political attacks from the left. Throwing progressives, ANTIFA, Leftists, BLM, or any other "people's movement" on the left under the bus will only help solidify establishment dem power under Biden... Can't have those pesky lefties putting up an actual fight for the working class now can we... smh
Sort of sounds/feels like you have adopted a Freddie Kitchens style mantra: If you aren't part of the far left, you don't matter.
I think that attitude will take you as far as Freddie took the Browns as a HC.
I hope and want the country to adopt more progressive attitudes and culture and politics. I also want fiscal responsibility and accountability - I lean towards healthcare as a right and more socially progressive agendas but it's not a blank check. I'll vote that way and I will push that agenda with my daily life, actions and conversations and through the way I educate my kids. I hope the voters become enlightened and move in that direction through education and becoming engaged in politics and the process as opposed to being apathetic or entitlelist. I doubt whether anarchy and hostility of anything "centrist" is going to help that change - in fact I think it will slow it down.
We've had 4 years of anarchy and a King who stamped his feet like Rumpelstiltskin when he didn't get his way or the media had the audacity to disagree with his personal warped viewpoint ... I don't want more of the same but from a different section of society.
Well, one thing is clear... this probably wasn't anyone on the right. The spelling and grammar is correct. Also, it probably wasn't your average youth... the dollar sign is on the correct side.
It's sad, but these are the signs today that the perpetrator was actually decently educated and at least of moderate intelligence.
Oh I agree with that Peen. It even crossed my mind that Pelosi herself might have staged this because of all the political attacks from the left. Throwing progressives, ANTIFA, Leftists, BLM, or any other "people's movement" on the left under the bus will only help solidify establishment dem power under Biden... Can't have those pesky lefties putting up an actual fight for the working class now can we... smh
j/c
I find it odd that Pelosi wouldn't have some sort of security system with a minimum of at least 1 camera on her property. Does anyone else find that odd?
President Trump's Supporters Plan to Protest Election Results in DC on Jan. 6
Multiple groups filed permits for thousands to demonstrate near the White House
Organizations planning demonstrations at Freedom Plaza include Women for America First, which filed a permit for 5,000 attendees, and the Eighty Percent Coalition, which estimates 10,000. The Silent Majority said it expects 250-500 to demonstrate near the Washington Monument.
Given the recent violent clashes that have erupted at previous election-related protests, some local businesses are preparing for the worst.
The Hotel Harrington and Harry’s Bar, two spots known to be frequented by a far-right group, the Proud Boys, announced they’ll close for part of next week.
In a statement, the hotel said: “While we cannot control what happens outside of the hotel we are taking additional steps to protect the safety of our visitors guests and employees…. We will not be accommodating guests, with the exception of our long-term residents who call our hotel home.”
Some D.C. residents, like Karen Jennings, who are concerned about the potential for unrest, say the bar and hotel made the right decision.
"They don’t want the bad publicity because they have to be here when those guys leave in two or three days," she said.
The leader of the Proud Boys says the bar and hotel are not meetup spots for the group, which still plans to fan out across the District next week.
Earlier this month, members of the group clashed with anti-fascist protestors and stole a Black Lives Matter sign from a church before burning it.
Despite chatter on far-right social media sites calling for violence, the Metropolitan Police Department told News4: "While MPD does not discuss operational tactics, as with any known, large demonstration, we will continue to monitor and assess each activity. While we are not aware of any credible threats across Washington, D.C., we urge our community to report any suspicious behavior or online postings to the proper authorities."
Several downtown hotels tell News4 they’re aware that they’ve been mentioned as alternative places to stay and are implementing security and safety plans, but none said they would be closing.
The District plans to release information security measures in the following days.
D.C. police released a list of road closures and parking restrictions; the full list is available online here.
Black Lives Matter DC issued a statement calling on the mayor, MPD and local hotels and businesses, saying “Tell the racists that they’re not welcome in our city!”
Local activists said they have been placing calls to downtown hotel tells asking them not to rent rooms to the Proud Boys.
‘President Trump Has Called’: Supporters Plan D.C. Rally To Overturn His Loss On Day Congress Certifies Election
Supporters of President Trump from across the country are planning a large rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6—the day Congress is scheduled to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory—in what’s being characterized as a final push to overturn the election’s results.
Trump appealed to his supporters in a tweet last week, reposting a report written by White House Advisor Peter Navarro that alleges (without credible evidence) widespread election fraud and calling for a “big,” “wild” protest in D.C. to remedy his “impossible” loss.
Though it doesn’t appear any large-scale protests were in the works prior to Trump’s tweet, his supporters quickly moved to organize.
According to local news outlet, dcist, Women For America First, one of the organizations involved in the previous two election fraud rallies in Washington, D.C., changed the date on a previous request for a protest permit for the weekend after the presidential inauguration.
“The president is calling on us to come back to Washington on January 6th for a big protest,” reads a flyer published on Women for America First’s website, trumpmarch.com, noting that specific time and location have not yet been determined.
As what appears to be the largest event planned for that day, Women for America says it is estimating 5,000 attendees, whom it hopes to host at the city’s historic Freedom Plaza.
On Facebook pages for other, seemingly smaller protests organized for that day, and in other chat platforms like Gab, Parler and Telegram, Trump supporters are discussing trekking across the country for the protest and bringing guns to D.C. (where that is now allowed), while prominent right-wing groups like the Proud Boys have already indicated they plan to attend.
The two previous election fraud rallies in Washington—one in November and one in December—ended in violence after contentious run-ins with counter-protesters. After a largely peaceful day, a man in his 20s was stabbed in the back and two police officers were injured at the mid-November “Million Maga March.” During this month’s “Stop the Steal” protest on Dec. 13, four people were stabbed and one man shot, with a total of eight hospitalized. The D.C. police are investigating as potential hate crimes protesters who tore down Black Lives Matter banners from predominantly Black D.C. churches.
“We want to see peaceful protests in our city,” said D.C.’s new police chief Robert Contee during a Tuesday press conference when asked about the protests planned for Jan. 6. Contee said the city is anticipating similar disruptions to the previous protests.
With the Electoral College having already formalized Biden’s win and waning avenues for his election sustained challenges, Trump—and a growing number of Republicans in the House of Representatives—have thrown their weight behind the strategy of overturning the loss when Congress counts the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6. If lawmakers from both the House and Senate submit formal challenges to the results, which Republican lawmakers have indicated they may do, the chambers will debate the results of the state challenged. Even if this does yield a decision to overturn that specific state’s result (which is unlikely given the fact that the House has a Democratic majority and that enough Republican senators have acknowledged Biden’s victory to stop the Senate from voting to flip results), Biden had such a wide margin of victory in the Electoral College (306 to 232 votes) that it is almost certain the GOP challengers would not be successful. Nonetheless, at least online, the president’s supporters are hopeful they have a chance. “January 6th won’t be a protest — it will be a celebration,” wrote the Million Maga March account in a Dec. 20 tweet.
Sort of sounds/feels like you have adopted a Freddie Kitchens style mantra: If you aren't part of the far left, you don't matter.
I think that attitude will take you as far as Freddie took the Browns as a HC.
I hope and want the country to adopt more progressive attitudes and culture and politics. I also want fiscal responsibility and accountability - I lean towards healthcare as a right and more socially progressive agendas but it's not a blank check. I'll vote that way and I will push that agenda with my daily life, actions and conversations and through the way I educate my kids. I hope the voters become enlightened and move in that direction through education and becoming engaged in politics and the process as opposed to being apathetic or entitlelist. I doubt whether anarchy and hostility of anything "centrist" is going to help that change - in fact I think it will slow it down.
We've had 4 years of anarchy and a King who stamped his feet like Rumpelstiltskin when he didn't get his way or the media had the audacity to disagree with his personal warped viewpoint ... I don't want more of the same but from a different section of society.
What you don't get is that I really don't care what anyone's personal political views are or where they fall on the political spectrum. I'll even praise Trump for holding McConnell's feet to the fire over the $2k stimulus! For me it's about policy that helps everyday working class people and the poor during a time of UNREAL wealth inequality. All those longing for the America of yesteryear where the middle class thrived should be onboard with most of the progressive platform IMHO. Pumping money to the oligarchy is not part of that platform. And 'right now' that is all moderates seem to want to do on both sides. So if it sounds like I'm attacking those positions, you're damn right I am.
Pit and I have similar differences, even though we agree on about 90% of everything policy wise. Pit likes slow incremental change, or so he says. This is a conservative value IMHO. It is also the radical extremist view during a huge crisis if you ask me. It's tantamount to telling someone with a severed limb that we will need to wait and see if a tunicate is actually needed or if a tax break for the rich would be better to stop you from bleeding out... it's a ridiculous position.
And rather I like it or not, in America everyone counts. The stupid vote. The rich vote. The intelligent vote. The poor vote. All political, religious, and special interest variances vote. And it makes everything complicated when we try to agree. BUT it is not a reason for slow incremental change or complete inaction during a crisis. We can all see people need help. We can all see small businesses need help. We can all see Jeff Bezos and the financial elite are doing just fine. Why the hell are we sending the bulk of the stimulus to Wall street, big business, and the oligarchy? Look at the millions handed out to the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene, the QAnon Rep from Georgia while you got $1800 and a swift kick in the ass for not picking yourself up by the bootstraps...
Self-funding QAnon candidate gave own campaign $450,000 after getting PPP loan
There is no incremental change called for, or deficit debates when it's time to spend trillions on wars or bailouts for the donor class. NOPE, those weak ass excuses are just there to be used to keep anything that helps working people from being helped. And if you would take a moment and watch what is really going on instead of getting all ruffled about what I believe politically, you might see some of the same things I see and get POed about it too. It has nothing to do with me thinking anything like "if you are not far left you don't matter" because I'm fighting this fight for you too, rather you agree with my politics or not. How could that possibly be interpreted as you don't matter?
This is a guy I just started to follow recently on Youtube. His positions are very similar to where I stand politically. He too calls himself progressive, but you will see some diversity in who he (and I) think are doing the right things in different political situations. The status quo from the Obama years is just not a goal we can support. Check him out, maybe you will get people like me a little better.
Oh I agree with that Peen. It even crossed my mind that Pelosi herself might have staged this because of all the political attacks from the left. Throwing progressives, ANTIFA, Leftists, BLM, or any other "people's movement" on the left under the bus will only help solidify establishment dem power under Biden... Can't have those pesky lefties putting up an actual fight for the working class now can we... smh
j/c
I find it odd that Pelosi wouldn't have some sort of security system with a minimum of at least 1 camera on her property. Does anyone else find that odd?
As Speaker of the House I thought she would have a secret service contingent protecting her 24/7, unless she was not at her home I don't see how it was possible either. That's why I started thinking Pelosi herself might be behind it because it makes the left look bad.
Oh I agree with that Peen. It even crossed my mind that Pelosi herself might have staged this because of all the political attacks from the left. Throwing progressives, ANTIFA, Leftists, BLM, or any other "people's movement" on the left under the bus will only help solidify establishment dem power under Biden... Can't have those pesky lefties putting up an actual fight for the working class now can we... smh
j/c
I find it odd that Pelosi wouldn't have some sort of security system with a minimum of at least 1 camera on her property. Does anyone else find that odd?
No. Some people don’t feel the need to have their cribs decked like the DMZ line in korea.
Pit likes slow incremental change, or so he says. This is a conservative value IMHO.
No matter how many times you get told something, you still can't seem to grasp it.
It's not a question of "what I want". It's not a question of what you want. It's a question of what you can sell to the voters and what you can't. Wholesale changes can not be sold to enough voters to win a national election. It sells in some parts of the country. That's why you have very liberal congressional members and even a few senators. But that's not going to sell on a national scale.
And here's why. People do not trust our government to run anything.
They do not trust them to run our healthcare. They look at our schools and no longer trust them to run the schools. They see the waste and corruption in Washington and don't trust them to run anything.
I mean I want a condo in Hawaii but that's not going to happen. (Okay, I don't really want a condo in Hawaii but it makes the point.) What you can sell and what you can elect on a national scale are candidates that will install incremental changes.
I've watched over my lifetime as people have gained civil rights. People have gained an expansion of medicaid for the very poor. Women gained the right to abortion. The LBGTQ community gain the right to marry. I could list many more. These weren't done by accident. These were hard fought battles. Hell, it wasn't so long ago women in this country couldn't even vote.
Here's the difference between us. I'm not willing to burn down everything that people have worked decades to gain because of "what I want and because I want it RIGHT NOW!" That's how children act. I value everything those who came before us fought for. I'm not willing to risk destroying it all by throwing a tantrum.
And if you follow the path you claim you will, that's exactly what you'll be doing.
As Speaker of the House I thought she would have a secret service contingent protecting her 24/7, unless she was not at her home I don't see how it was possible either. That's why I started thinking Pelosi herself might be behind it because it makes the left look bad.
You sound so much like a Trumpian and don't even realize it. You are so blinded you can't tell your friends from your enemies.
As Speaker of the House I thought she would have a secret service contingent protecting her 24/7, unless she was not at her home I don't see how it was possible either. That's why I started thinking Pelosi herself might be behind it because it makes the left look bad.
You sound so much like a Trumpian and don't even realize it. You are so blinded you can't tell your friends from your enemies.
No, I discussed why I thought it might be the right, could have been the left, and thought about it even being Pelosi herself... You are ridiculous in your attacks on me because somehow you are the only one that is ever right about anything, except you rarely are. Step off.
I appreciate the response but I don't think it actually addresses my point. And I'm not telling you not to think or act the way you do - I am pointing out what I think the impact of attacking anyone who isn't radical enough for you.
Pit likes slow incremental change, or so he says. This is a conservative value IMHO.
No matter how many times you get told something, you still can't seem to grasp it.
It's not a question of "what I want". It's not a question of what you want. It's a question of what you can sell to the voters and what you can't. Wholesale changes can not be sold to enough voters to win a national election. It sells in some parts of the country. That's why you have very liberal congressional members and even a few senators. But that's not going to sell on a national scale.
And here's why. People do not trust our government to run anything.
They do not trust them to run our healthcare. They look at our schools and no longer trust them to run the schools. They see the waste and corruption in Washington and don't trust them to run anything.
I mean I want a condo in Hawaii but that's not going to happen. (Okay, I don't really want a condo in Hawaii but it makes the point.) What you can sell and what you can elect on a national scale are candidates that will install incremental changes.
I've watched over my lifetime as people have gained civil rights. People have gained an expansion of medicaid for the very poor. Women gained the right to abortion. The LBGTQ community gain the right to marry. I could list many more. These weren't done by accident. These were hard fought battles. Hell, it wasn't so long ago women in this country couldn't even vote.
Here's the difference between us. I'm not willing to burn down everything that people have worked decades to gain because of "what I want and because I want it RIGHT NOW!" That's how children act. I value everything those who came before us fought for. I'm not willing to risk destroying it all by throwing a tantrum.
And if you follow the path you claim you will, that's exactly what you'll be doing.
YOU YOURSELF EVEN CLAIM TO HAVE CONSERVATIVE VALUES! Why is it an attack or does it require some weird form of retaliation post when I say it? You can't be reasoned with when you get like this... ridiculous skirt in a ruffle reactionary attacks become your go to response for anyone that doesn't bow at the same alter you worship at politically.
I appreciate the response but I don't think it actually addresses my point. And I'm not telling you not to think or act the way you do - I am pointing out what I think the impact of attacking anyone who isn't radical enough for you.
Well stop right there... What is radical about wanting to help working class and poor people? I mean if you can show me why that is radical I will wear the label proudly! If you ask me supporting endless wars (MIC), supporting a corporatist agenda (wealth grabbing), and supporting the constant cyclical betrayal of the American working class (middle class) by a government that only works for the oligarchy is the radical extremist policy/view/problem we have right now in our government... You know, moderates from both sides protecting the status quo and calling for slow incremental change during a crisis or even during this period of wealth disparity that they've created over the last 40 years.
So who is the real radical extremist here? That and moderates anti socialist rhetoric is hindering any real progress dems could be making right now. AND I'm not the guy who gets all puffy and starts calling everyone a socialist or a commie for fighting for the working class. Can you sit there and Tell me that Pelosi or Schumer are fighting for us? Really?
Yes, I am happy to fight the right when they come with fascist leadership and try to take the country down that path. And for 4 years I have been relentless on getting Trump out because I can't stand him or his views/politics. BUT he is out in a few weeks and the Dem leadership is dropping the ball, so it's their turn under the gun. Certainly, you can understand that. It's not like I kept not liking Biden being thrust upon the left by establishment dems and republicans a secret leading up to the election; so why are you surprised that I would lash out at them now? I just don't see how that is confusing.
Radical is in the eye of the beholder. You could interchange the word "extreme" for "radical" the intent and meaning of my post stays the same. "Far enough" is the meaning. If you want to get offended at the choice of words - that's on you not me.
Pit likes slow incremental change, or so he says. This is a conservative value IMHO.
No matter how many times you get told something, you still can't seem to grasp it.
It's not a question of "what I want". It's not a question of what you want. It's a question of what you can sell to the voters and what you can't. Wholesale changes can not be sold to enough voters to win a national election. It sells in some parts of the country. That's why you have very liberal congressional members and even a few senators. But that's not going to sell on a national scale.
And here's why. People do not trust our government to run anything.
They do not trust them to run our healthcare. They look at our schools and no longer trust them to run the schools. They see the waste and corruption in Washington and don't trust them to run anything.
I mean I want a condo in Hawaii but that's not going to happen. (Okay, I don't really want a condo in Hawaii but it makes the point.) What you can sell and what you can elect on a national scale are candidates that will install incremental changes.
I've watched over my lifetime as people have gained civil rights. People have gained an expansion of medicaid for the very poor. Women gained the right to abortion. The LBGTQ community gain the right to marry. I could list many more. These weren't done by accident. These were hard fought battles. Hell, it wasn't so long ago women in this country couldn't even vote.
Here's the difference between us. I'm not willing to burn down everything that people have worked decades to gain because of "what I want and because I want it RIGHT NOW!" That's how children act. I value everything those who came before us fought for. I'm not willing to risk destroying it all by throwing a tantrum.
And if you follow the path you claim you will, that's exactly what you'll be doing.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let me explain how social media works. You post things and people respond.
If you think law and order is a conservative value, then I qualify. If you think second amendment rights is a conservative issue then I qualify.
As per usual you don't address any of my points directly because you can't. You just spout drivel and have nothing of substance to say.
If you don't want me to respond, don't post. As long as you do I'll respond any damned way I want to.
Try stepping up and debating points for a change.
Well let me spell it out for your condescending ass so you might be able to understand... Point for point:
1)It's a question of what you can sell to the voters and what you can't.
A) BS. You call it selling it to the voters. I seem to remember Bernie doing a damn fine job of selling it to the voters. So much so that all the other candidates suddenly became FOR different bits of his platform. Anybody that remotely followed could see that.
Yet, the establishment dems, msm, and Obama all came together to anoint Biden after some shady ass backroom dealing. That's not selling an agenda, that's rigging an election. The only fools who bought into that are the ones who support all that corporatism and legislation favoring the oligarchy... like you.
2) Wholesale changes can not be sold to enough voters to win a national election.
A) Then why was FDR elected 4 times? FOUR.
Now I'm sure you will roll your eyes at that because it's not modern, so let me ask you why Bernie is the most popular politician "on both sides of the aisle" in the country. Yes Trump is more popular with the GOP base and Biden with centrists corporatist, but Bernie reached working people on both sides and topped out just under 80% favorability for more than 4 years! He was preaching wholesale change the whole damn time.
3) People do not trust our government to run anything.
A) Why would they after the last 40 years? But they run the military, they run a significant amount of socialist programs from education to medicare and social security BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE CAN. M4A is no different because the current healthcare system is a complete failure and the pandemic only proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. But you go ahead and believe in fairytales of a discounted healthcare system under the ACA if you want to, or how propping up the stock market will create great jobs if you want to, or how we need to spend ten times what anyone else does every year on our military but can't afford to help the poor if you want to... I'll call that line of thinking what it is, and it is radical.
As far as the Hawaii bit, I have no clue what that was supposed to prove or even mean. The part about you watching in your lifetime (guessing around 60 years or less since you would have been a kid before that), again I'll bring up FDR and add in Truman, JFK, and Johnson who all addressed great political crises with wholesale change... What else is there to say?
And I get you think I want to burn it all down all the time. But if I had a car that would only drive in reverse no matter how I tried to fix it, I'd scrap that car... IMHO burning it all down is what has been happening for 40 years and people like me are the volunteer Fire Department showing up to finally end the flames of radical centrist corporatist arson. What I want I want now... that's the same thing you are doing. You want a center conservative approach to everything because you are fearful of radical wholesale changes. You are worried about the cost or what you might lose or how it might hurt you... I get that. But supporting legislators/policies that want NO change or incremental change in a system rigged against you and that has systematically made you poorer for 40 plus years is like some sort of weird Stockholm syndrome. How fast is too fast to stop the bleeding there stumpy? <-tables spun, your ball.
All your tantrum crap and other fear mongering is all part of your blindness to the reality of your situation, so I'll skip the nasty response this time.
Radical is in the eye of the beholder. You could interchange the word "extreme" for "radical" the intent and meaning of my post stays the same. "Far enough" is the meaning. If you want to get offended at the choice of words - that's on you not me.
You are just like Pit. If you don't like it, you slap a nasty label on it and pretend it's fringe... Y'all need to take a breath and look around. The reality is we just elected a new POTUS that will fight at every turn to keep the oligarchy in power. Money will continue to rule and your lot in life will continue to be diminished. But at least you will feel safe from radical extremist change.
Radical is in the eye of the beholder. You could interchange the word "extreme" for "radical" the intent and meaning of my post stays the same. "Far enough" is the meaning. If you want to get offended at the choice of words - that's on you not me.
You are just like Pit. If you don't like it, you slap a nasty label on it and pretend it's fringe... Y'all need to take a breath and look around. The reality is we just elected a new POTUS that will fight at every turn to keep the oligarchy in power. Money will continue to rule and your lot in life will continue to be diminished. But at least you will feel safe from radical extremist change.
No - you need to take a breath and stop looking to fight all the time.
The meaning and intent of what I wrote - using well known phrases - is that you are attacking anyone and everyone who isn't as far to one side of the debate as you are. As extreme as your views are. As radical as your views are.
You are choosing to get your knickers Royally twisted over a common phrase. Semantics. I even said in my damn post - you are free to think and act any way you want. I am NOT trying to moderate you (another fake claim you alluded to) ... I spelled out that I was commenting on the impact I feel your tactic will have.
So take your own advice - take a deep breath and take the comments for what they are worth instead of acting like I've uttered some slanderous, outrageous statement.
I'm a red blooded American Hillbilly bro, I don't and never have worn 'knickers'... lmao. You and Pit might be related. Or you share the same confusion delusion... But I still love you both because we 90% agree AND we bonded over bashing Trump for the last 4 years. Sorry that you can't handle centrist Biden and company now being in my crosshairs. Meh, maybe the GOPers that hate me for bashing Trump will feel better now.
And this bit "like I've uttered some slanderous, outrageous statement." is exactly what you do every time you call me radical or extremist for my political views. Just FYI.
So your Trumpian logic. "The election was rigged against Bernie!"
You claim that Bernie got the moderates to adopt some of his policies, but that isn't good enough for you. You're still throwing a tantrum because you're not getting everything you want. Your claim is the moderates compromised with your own candidate and that will never be enough.
You do understand that's the very definition of an extremist, right?
You claim that moderates working together to join together behind one candidate is rigging an election. What you're really saying is that you despise a sound strategy that outsmarted your candidates. Because there's nothing illegal, immoral or wrong about that.
Then, to try and make a point you reach back 70 or 80 years to try and prove a point with FDR? Then let me ask you, why hasn't a candidate like FDR been elected since the end of WW2?
Once again in your anger you become confused. Nothing new there. I'm telling you WHY the average voter does not trust the government running their healthcare. All you did was point out the programs that tax payers can see the government has screwed up. The military budget, education and a host of other government programs. That's why the average voter does not trust the government to run their healthcare. Now if you can remove your head from where you squarely have it planted, hopefully you can see this is not, "my opinion on healthcare".
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Truman, JFK, and Johnson
You obviously need a history lesson. If any of those candidates were running today you would be calling them moderates and hate 80% of what they stood for. Anyone who was around at the time can tell you that. You sir would be no fan of JFK.
And you sit here and claim that Bernie had 80% support while he couldn't even win the democratic nomination?
Let me give you an example of what you propose. It's actually the last far left liberal candidate the democrats ran. Someone you would have actually approved of. I don't need to reach all the way back to the 30's or 40's to do that.
It was 1972. George McGovern. He won a grand total of one state, Massachusetts. Nixon won 96% of the electoral college vote.
Oh I agree with that Peen. It even crossed my mind that Pelosi herself might have staged this because of all the political attacks from the left. Throwing progressives, ANTIFA, Leftists, BLM, or any other "people's movement" on the left under the bus will only help solidify establishment dem power under Biden... Can't have those pesky lefties putting up an actual fight for the working class now can we... smh
j/c
I find it odd that Pelosi wouldn't have some sort of security system with a minimum of at least 1 camera on her property. Does anyone else find that odd?
No. Some people don’t feel the need to have their cribs decked like the DMZ line in korea.
That's fine. She IS, however, the speaker of the house of rep's. That's kind of a high level position, is it not? She's a multimillionaire. What would it cost her to have camera's? $2000 upfront, maybe $50 to $100 a month?
I don't know how the SS operates, or Fed. Marshall's, etc. Just seems odd to me that someone on her level doesn't have someone watching her house, OR have a security system in place at her house.
Just seems odd to me that someone on her level doesn't have someone watching her house, OR have a security system in place at her house.
Qanon has answered this question for us - no cameras at ANY high ranking Democrats homes ... there can be NO opportunity of accidentally recording video evidence of the comings and goings of the pedophiles, the handlers, the smugglers, the special guests and of course Satan himself.
I kid, I kid. To me it does seem odd as well. But I do not believe this to be a cunning plan orchestrated by Pelosi herself ... that's the same sort of whacky thinking as when Fox and friends or whichever sycophant Trump media suggested the Trump stickers on Cesar Sayoc's fan were too new and a leftist plot.
I think that just because we're not being given access to security camera footage in no way means there isn't any. I believe it would be naive to think there are no security cameras.
I think that just because we're not being given access to security camera footage means there isn't any. I believe it would be naive to think there are no security cameras.
I would hope that is true/correct.
If it IS true, that there are camera/s, issue solved. If there aren't, the issue is who did it, AND, why doesn't the speaker of the house of rep's, have at a minimum, a certain level of security at her home.
It is the symbol Antifa uses constantly. And they are about anarchy, whether it's left or right leaning politics- they want to blow the whole thing up. It's just that the left appeases them....Or maybe a better term is tolerates them. They are votes. It's akin to Trump not denouncing the white supremacy leader back in 2016 election. They are votes.
I just hope it stops at minor vandalism... There are a lot of POed Americans out there and a ton of crazies on both sides. There are also plans for $600 DIY guillotines being shared on social media. At first I thought the $600 bit was a joke, but it was the actual estimated cost and ironically the same amount as the downward negotiated stimulus.
Youre overreacting to stupid inflammatory tweets on the internet.
But I guess that is par for the course because youre triggered so easily.
One of your own Trump sycophants suggesting violence.
You may, if you wish, dismiss all the suggestions and overt actions of Proud Boys, KKK, White Surpreacists all you want. Bottom line, all any of us are doing is just listening to their words and looking at their actions for clues to what's next.
Trump 'diehards' threatening to 'kill all the D.C. traitors' on day of the president's rally "Trump diehards from across the country have organized their travel to Washington on 'The Donald' forum," the Beast's report states. "One of the hottest topics on the site is how protesters can bring guns to D.C., which would count as a local crime in nearly all circumstances under Washington's strict gun laws. Others have talked about breaking into federal buildings or committing violence against law enforcement officers who try to stop them from storming Congress." One comment that received approving nods stated, "I'm thinking it will be literal war on that day. Where we'll storm offices and physically remove and even kill all the D.C. traitors and reclaim the country." The report notes that noted Trump supporter Proud Boy Joe Biggs, boasted on Parler, "Watch out, January 6--you ain't gonna know who the f*ck it is standing beside you." The Beast also reports that Trump fans are discussing dressing up as Antifa protesters so the anti-fascist group will be blamed for any violence.
Gohmert Suggests Street Violence After Court Tosses Electoral Suit
Representative Louie Gohmert suggested street violence as the next recourse after a federal judge in Texas threw out his lawsuit filed in an effort to overturn President Donald Trump’s election loss.
The Texas lawmaker appeared on the conservative Newsmax network Friday night after U.S. District Judge Jeremy Kernodle dismissed Gohmert’s suit, in which he argued that Vice President Mike Pence has the authority to unilaterally reverse the election result during a joint session of Congress Wednesday.
“If the bottom line is, the court is saying, ‘We’re not going to touch this. You have no remedy’ -- basically, in effect, the ruling would be that you gotta go the streets and be as violent as Antifa and BLM,” Gohmert said.
His comment referred to Antifa, a loosely-aligned movement that opposes fascism, and Black Lives Matter.
Judge Kernodle ruled that the Texas congressman hadn’t suffered a specific injury caused by any action of Pence and therefore didn’t have legal standing to sue. The judge didn’t rule on the merits of Gohmert’s argument, which would have radically reshaped a vice president’s role.
“Congressman Gohmert’s alleged injury requires a series of hypothetical -- but by no means certain -- events,” said Kernodle, appointed by Trump in 2018. “Plaintiffs presuppose what the Vice President will do on January 6” and “which electoral votes the Vice President will count or reject from contested states.” Pence Power
Gohmert argued that Pence has the power to hand Trump a second term by simply rejecting swing states’ slates of Democratic electors, and instead choosing competing GOP electors when the Senate and House meet jointly to open and count certificates of electoral votes on Jan. 6. Election experts have said such a finding would create a major conflict of interest.
Gohmert filed a notice of appeal in the case late Friday.
The U.S Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit won’t necessarily hold Gohmert’s recent comments against him when they consider the case, because judges decide cases on the law and facts alone, said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond.
“However, judges are human and might find it distasteful that a member of Congress who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution is urging violence,” Tobias said, adding that while the 5th Circuit is “clearly” the most conservative appeals court, “it is not clear what that means for this weak case.”
Gohmert, 67, is a member of the House Judiciary Committee and is a former judge.
Cruz Set to Lead Group of GOP Senators Opposing Certification
Pence as vice president has the constitutional role of presiding over the Senate, which has traditionally included overseeing the formal acceptance of the Electoral College vote, which President-elect Joe Biden won.
Pence urged the judge to reject Gohmert’s lawsuit, saying in a Thursday filing that the congressman should have sued the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives if he disagreed with the established way that Electoral College votes were counted. Pence’s filing was made by the Justice Department.
The Dec. 27 lawsuit by Gohmert echoes Trump’s debunked claim that Biden won the election only through rampant voter fraud perpetrated by thousands of corrupt Democratic officials and election workers. Some members of Congress have signaled they will object during the joint session, though not enough to block Biden’s win.
Gohmert’s attorney Howard Kleinhendler didn’t immediately respond to a message seeking comment.
Trump continues to rail against his election loss on Twitter, repeating claims of electoral fraud that have been rejected in dozens of court actions in battleground states.
The president has also egged on his supporters to gather in Washington what he describes as a “protest rally.”
Two pro-Trump demonstrations in the nation’s capital since the election have resulted in scattered violence and arrests.
I’m betting trump doesn’t send out his unidentifiable storm troopers to gas and club them or walks over to the church with a borrowed Bible in hand for a photo op.
The Speaker doesn't get SS protection. They get a detail from the Capitol Police, but evidently it doesn't extend to their home.
Federal Marshalls are also used. They protect federal courthouses and federal judges, as well as run witness protection, hunt fugitives, and generally run local task force units to cover any federal jurisdiction needs local units might require. Marshalls have a broad scope, so I would bet a few are sitting on her and Mitch's homes at this point.
In the scheme of law enforcement, Marshalls are kind of like the bad dog of the bunch.
For me, it's not the money, it's that Pelosi and McConnell are key leaders in congress. I would think that the POTUS, VP, Cabinet Secs, Congressional leadership (at least the top of each party in each the house and senate), and SCOTUS would all have 24/7 security teams. Especially as crazy as this political atmosphere has been, I would think that to be the case. I didn't realize that historically it's not something we do.
Hard to believe they don't have a 24/7 security detail of some sort.
If those violent lunatic trump supporters had any common sense she wouldn’t need 24/7 SS protection. And why is it always who’s going to pay for it with trump supporters and conservatives? “We the people” who decide everything in elections will pay for everything, EVERY CENT! The people have spoken. We know who’s paying for it.
For me, it's not the money, it's that Pelosi and McConnell are key leaders in congress. I would think that the POTUS, VP, Cabinet Secs, Congressional leadership (at least the top of each party in each the house and senate), and SCOTUS would all have 24/7 security teams. Especially as crazy as this political atmosphere has been, I would think that to be the case. I didn't realize that historically it's not something we do.
I agree that political climate might change things, sorry to say.
Hard to believe they don't have a 24/7 security detail of some sort.
If those violent lunatic trump supporters had any common sense she wouldn’t need 24/7 SS protection. And why is it always who’s going to pay for it with trump supporters and conservatives? “We the people” who decide everything in elections will pay for everything, EVERY CENT! The people have spoken. We know who’s paying for it.
I wouldn't blame the need for 24/7 protection for the Speaker of he House on trumpians. They may have brought it to light but the Speaker of the House in 3rd in line for the Presidency. I feel regardless of which party i in power that there should be some kind of protection afforded the Speaker.
Hard to believe they don't have a 24/7 security detail of some sort.
If those violent lunatic trump supporters had any common sense she wouldn’t need 24/7 SS protection. And why is it always who’s going to pay for it with trump supporters and conservatives? “We the people” who decide everything in elections will pay for everything, EVERY CENT! The people have spoken. We know who’s paying for it.
I wouldn't blame the need for 24/7 protection for the Speaker of he House on trumpians. They may have brought it to light but the Speaker of the House in 3rd in line for the Presidency. I feel regardless of which party i in power that there should be some kind of protection afforded the Speaker.
Absolutely. Here is the really odd thing. Pelosi wants to give out $2k...It's not her holding it up... It's McConnell.
So honestly, I don't understand why anyone that wants that money would attack her.. Unless they are Trump supporters trying to lay blame on her... Just like Trump does.
Hard to believe they don't have a 24/7 security detail of some sort.
If those violent lunatic trump supporters had any common sense she wouldn’t need 24/7 SS protection. And why is it always who’s going to pay for it with trump supporters and conservatives? “We the people” who decide everything in elections will pay for everything, EVERY CENT! The people have spoken. We know who’s paying for it.
I wouldn't blame the need for 24/7 protection for the Speaker of he House on trumpians. They may have brought it to light but the Speaker of the House in 3rd in line for the Presidency. I feel regardless of which party i in power that there should be some kind of protection afforded the Speaker.
I agree.
Guess what happened last night around here? My neighbor's house got broken into.
Luckily, they have a security system, with motion detectors in their home. The wife doesn't work. Just the husband.
Alarm went off, video was automatically taken, wife screamed and called 911 while the husband got a gun.
Dude took off headed south - towards me. 3 police departments searched for the guy. (2 different county sheriff's, and 1 local p.d. - now, for a 911 call, remember, cops could be miles away at the time - around here anyway)
I am currently looking into a security system for us. With cams. And, just like the guy that got broken into, we're just peons, not some uber wealthy, or even wealthy, people. We are not in politics, we are not 3rd in line to the presidency. Just normal old Joe's.
And yet we still have no idea if they had security cameras or not.
Correct.
If a peon like me can afford a security system with camera's, so can Pelosi, and McConnell.
And that takes me back to my original question, and obviously ocd's insinuation of these being, possibly, set ups.
Not a damn thing would surprise me anymore.
I don't know how McConnell's house is set up, but it appears to me Pelosi's garage door is pretty much right on a street. No camera's for the Speaker of the House, worth millions?
I'm pretty sure that they both have security cameras. My belief is either they have photos of the suspects or that they were wearing masks so that the photos are of no value.
And trying to come up with some conspiracy theory as to who is responsible is a fools errand. I mean if you follow along with OCD's posts, he hates them both. So for all we know it could be the same person.
And yet we still have no idea if they had security cameras or not.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I'm pretty sure that they both have security cameras. My belief is either they have photos of the suspects or that they were wearing masks so that the photos are of no value.
I'm saying this is my guess. It's a pure guess and conjecture. It's the most logical conclusion I believe someone could come to. You even gave examples as to why that is a logical conclusion.
Man, that's awful! Did the dude do something like break a window and run, or was he actually inside the house?
He was in the house. INSIDE.
From the pictures taken from the video, young white guy.
Other neighbors reported their outside dogs going ballistic 30 minutes or so prior to the break in.
Possibly/probably because he was walking by.
We're rural, obviously.
While the police can take a bit to get here, in this case, with an intruder in the house, 3 departments showed up as soon as they could. They apparently respond much quicker if someone is in the house.
Dude was gone though. Reports of a person walking along the road not far from their house prior.
He'll get caught.
Most around here have dogs - not all, by any stretch. Best thing a dog can do is alert the owners that something isn't right. Alarm systems work also, but in this case, the guy was already in the home.
I'm pretty sure that they both have security cameras. My belief is either they have photos of the suspects or that they were wearing masks so that the photos are of no value.
And trying to come up with some conspiracy theory as to who is responsible is a fools errand. I mean if you follow along with OCD's posts, he hates them both. So for all we know it could be the same person.
Conspiracy theory was never a real term until after President Kennedy was bumped off.
I think many times writing off something and calling it a conspiracy theory is simply a means to deflect from the truth, or somewhere closer to the truth.
This isn't a reflection on you, it's just a comment about the status of the times we now reside.
The times we reside in? OK. So while the radical left watches on, trump supporters and his facists po boys riot in the streets and clash against police. The radical left look on as trump and his GOP cronies in the senate try to continually overturn an election they lost by a landslide. The radical left watch’s a run off election in Georgia while the GOP buckle with yet another election defeat and still say there is a path to victory. And the radical left goes Uh Huh rigggghht.
Trump and his most ardent supporters deserve their own kingdom of rubber rooms and padded walls so they can live out their fantasies in a way that is safe to greater society. It would be a good time to initiate the new dual reality MATRIX... smh
Today will be hard to watch IMHO. I hope there is no bloodshed in DC today. Trump supporters are getting desperate and their outrage at being "cheated" will have to be vented in some way. But with the loss of the senate last night, I think the odds of long term violence just decreased significantly.
Today will be hard to watch IMHO. I hope there is no bloodshed in DC today. Trump supporters are getting desperate and their outrage at being "cheated" will have to be vented in some way. But with the loss of the senate last night, I think the odds of long term violence just decreased significantly.
I’m streaming Netflix all day... news at 11pm. This show will be for trump and his supporters to slobber over as if they’re on a snipe hunt going in for the kill with no prey in sight. Lol. And they say the radical left was fixated on Russia.
I'm not so sure the times we live in today has anything to do with it other than the thought process people use.
There was a time not so long ago that actual evidence and what was most certainly obvious was accepted by most. As time has gone on, when people don't see the results they had hoped to, they search for some far fetched scheme in order to see the results they want to see.
And as with your post I don't mean this as a reflection on you, just a general observation.
I agree. I think it's a natural inclination with most people to try and overcome inconvenient facts, rather than to acknowledge them. It's the basis for many media outlets today, both on the right and left. This is a self-perpetuating and self-expanding dynamic which validates fringe beliefs and conspiracy theories.
This may be a result of my profession, but I view it as if something has a 5-10% chance of being true, and 90-95% chance of being false, then you go with the 90-95% chance, even if you want to believe the 5-10% chance is what actually happened.
That's how I feel about the voter fraud situation, and 5-10% chance of something that happened is being way too generous, IMO, given that the plaintiffs are 1-60 in court filings.
For the most part we agree. And the most liberal of media outlets deserve the reputation they have earned. The problem as I see it is that those on the far right have labeled any media outlet that doesn't walk lock step with their agenda as liberal. CBS is not a liberal media source. The same could be said for ABC and many media outlets like Reuters and the AP. Yet they get labeled as liberal as well.
The way I see it is that the vast majority of news sources are which you describe people seeing as liberal are using your 90-95% example while those on the far right will be using your 5-10% example.
I don't actually see, in this case at least, that it's a liberal verses conservative media issue. I see it as a fact verses fiction issue. In many cases we would agree. I just see this particular case differently.
I don't think we see that differently. This is a fact vs fiction issue. To me, it's just that one subset is placing their bet on the 5-10% chance to win, while the other is going for 90-95%.
I didn't mean to make this about media groups, either. I was just naming that as a dynamic to coincide with your point about people lending more and more credence to conspiracy theories. Previously, I think people would hint at conspiracy theories being true, but then it would dissipate with a more objective media. Now, I think there are two dynamics: one, where people say "I bet this is a result of X conspiracy theory" and then they tune into a media station that says "it absolutely is a result of that," or two, someone like Trump introduces a conspiracy theory and he now has a host of media outlets to expand it and deliver it to people who would want to believe in it.
I do think it's worse on the right, currently, with the potential to also take that same form on the left. Before, it used to be pretty much Fox News vs MSNBC serving as the left and right goal posts, but now Fox News almost appears more centrist in comparison to outlets like Newsmax, OANN and Breitbart. I haven't noticed that happening on the left (yet).
Yes, with outlets like Newsmax, Brietbart and OAN it feels as though a cancer is spreading that feeds those who want to hear conspiracy theories that make them the victims rather than look for the answers to why their party is losing.
Sadly they haven't figured out that is the same strategy that caused them to lose the presidency and both senate seats in Georgia. Sadly we will see many common sense Republicans follow the law and the constitution today in helping appoint a duly elected president. As a reward for that they will be vilified and scorned for following the law and their constitutional duties.
I hope the sane Republicans left in the party can reign in the nut jobs that seem to have so much influence today. If not their party will be lost.
There's only one thing worse than having a system that has only two dominant political parties and that would be only having one.
For the most part we agree. And the most liberal of media outlets deserve the reputation they have earned. The problem as I see it is that those on the far right have labeled any media outlet that doesn't walk lock step with their agenda as liberal. CBS is not a liberal media source. The same could be said for ABC and many media outlets like Reuters and the AP. Yet they get labeled as liberal as well.
The way I see it is that the vast majority of news sources are which you describe people seeing as liberal are using your 90-95% example while those on the far right will be using your 5-10% example.
I don't actually see, in this case at least, that it's a liberal verses conservative media issue. I see it as a fact verses fiction issue. In many cases we would agree. I just see this particular case differently.
That is a good thought and I want to make a couple of more points.
The media is in a tough spot. Historically political positions have some element of plausibility and nuance, that can be discussed and evaluated, you can take a conservative or liberal position, it does not matter. A good example would be trickle down economics.
With Trump, he was most often factually wrong (a lie). When media would point out that he was wrong (a lie), media became the enemy. Fake News as Trump would cry out at every media event.
Reuters and AP have generally stayed away from opinion, and are known for playing it straight. Before Trump, the concept of the media using the word lie was reserved for all but the most egregious statements or positions. But in response to Trump and his many lies, they have also stated and fact-checked the false statements that have resulted in the liberal bias claims. Unfortunate, but they have a job to do, and that should not discount their presence as being reporters of news.
I will be curious to see how right wing media responds to a Biden administration. Right wing media pretty much towed the Trump line with only isolated exceptions.
Just remember, we were all told that this COVID thing was a hoax and would disappear after the election. That proved to be factually a lie as well.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Media. I think Fox will have its traditional takes that criticize Biden within the bounds of traditional conservativism, which is fine, but it will also have the mega-hyperbole of people like Hannity and Carlson. It almost feels like Fox is a microcosm of what's happening with the Republican party. It's divided between traditional conservatives and Trumpians.
The newer, fringe right-wing media will I'm sure continue to take extreme stances. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump actually joint their ranks. They could fizzle out, merge, or grow in strength individually. I honestly have no idea what the footprint of these networks will be in 2024.
With Trump, he was most often factually wrong (a lie). When media would point out that he was wrong (a lie), media became the enemy. Fake News as Trump would cry out at every media event.
It's a play straight out of any Good Dictator's play book. Alienate the media and call everything they say a lie - diminish any chance your supporters will pay heed to what they say. That way, when they catch you red handed in a traitorous act, you just call it Fake News and carry on as normal. It's exactly what Trump has done.
This is 100% why #factsdontmatter to the Cult of Trump.
It's also covering Trumps speech and the certification ....
Talking about the media and Trump lies about the stolen election - one comment 12:40
"If you’re wondering why these debunked claims persist, even after being repeatedly fact-checked, this is why: Many of Trump’s supporters trust him and only him. Trump continues to repeat these claims, so they continue to believe them."
I think it's time to stop being so kind -- Trump is lying. Continuing debunked claims = lie.
Objection toward counting the votes from Arizona just went through to the applause of some reps and senators. I knew it was coming, but goodness, it's still sickening.
""McConnell opens his speech by noting that while he supported Trump’s right to pursue his allegations in the legal system, basically all of those cases failed in the courts — including in front of multiple Republican-appointed judges. “Nothing before us proves illegality anywhere the massive scale that would have tipped the entire election,” he said.""
""“This election was actually not unusually close,” McConnell said. For once, he doesn’t seem to be pulling his punches.""
""McConnell is essentially making a speech arguing that America should be a democratic republic. And that position is dividing his party ""
Schumer is speaking now and saying the same things along the lines of McConnell, except McConnell did get in a jab at how Democrats were the ones who used this tactic originally in 2000 and now the Republicans have to show that they're above it.
Overall, though, I thought McConnell made the point better than Schumer did.
To answer your question, he said:
1. The election wasn't even especially close 2. "If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. We'd never see the whole nation accept an election again."
I hope everyone on here who endorses this “objection” realizes they endorse rhetoric that directly that comes from a cult that believes satanic pedophiles who eat children run this country.
Oh he realizes it. He's nothing more than a designated echo chamber for Trump at this point.
It's amazing how much someone will do for you when you say their wife is ugly and your dad helped assassinate JFK.
What you may wish to keep in mind is that his target audience has no idea his talking points have been turned down in courts 60 times. They don't report that on the channels they watch.
The definition of a boot licker helps explain a lot. This is from the urban dictionary.....
Boot Licker Someone who kisses up to their oppressors’ thoughts and feelings rather than being aware of their own communities’ needs to survive. Hypothetically licking your oppressors boot for basic human respect from them.
Person A: why has joe all of a sudden been defending actual nazis? isnt he jewish?
Person B: o yea, hes a boot licker now; hes claiming its because they have freedom of speech while being blissfully unaware of the reprecutions that happened from the publication of mein kamph
He is the one who spoke to them earlier in order to rile them up. They went straight from his morning rally to the Capital. It's creating chaos on the senate floor.
And now we know why this thread was posted. A lot of us saw this coming. They cleared Pence from the senate floor.
So they tear gas and clear out peaceful protestors this summer in-front of a church for a photo op, but you have people knocking down barricades towards Capitol Hill and you just yell at them??
This is horrendous. I can't believe this. Any response from Trump supporters on this? Any justification? I'm not trying to call people out, but I have no idea, objectively, how you can support this man after what we're seeing here.
If you look at history and don't see this as a textbook dictatorship-style power play, I don't know what to tell you. I really don't.
I try to consider myself pretty objective. I am flawed in that regard like most, but I have railed against both sides throughout these threads, and spoke against flawed logic.
This is horrendous. I can't believe this. Any response from Trump supporters on this? Any justification? I'm not trying to call people out, but I have no idea, objectively, how you can support this man after what we're seeing here.
If you look at history and don't see this as a textbook dictatorship-style power play, I don't know what to tell you. I really don't.
I try to consider myself pretty objective. I am flawed in that regard like most, but I have railed against both sides throughout these threads, and spoke against flawed logic.
I am dumbfounded.
100% truth.
100% fact.
Trump is a despicable piece of human crap. He's unAmerican and the people that fall for his schtick are morons.
I think we only need to look at who is running the federal government to understand why they weren't better prepared to stop this. This all could have been prevented.
Anyone who can't see this as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly planned or poorly executed, simply wish not to see it.
Some senators are even under their desks now. This was allowed to happen by those in charge of securing the capital. And we know who they support.
I've been telling liberals to arm themselves. It wasn't a joke and it wasn't without merit. We are now officially a third world country.
At least I'm not seeing them armed with weapons at the ready... But it looks like a couple hundred thousand of them have completely surrounded and breached the capitol building. Crazy. It's a powder keg.
At least I'm not seeing them armed with weapons at the ready... But it looks like a couple hundred thousand of them have completely surrounded and breached the capitol building. Crazy. It's a powder keg.
With 80+ percent of Republicans (Trump supporters) now saying the election was illegitimate and some now calling for the suspension of democracy and or violence... I think the smart thing to do is prepare for bloodshed. I doubt it becomes a civil war because there are no lines on the battlefield that can be drawn to seperate them from the rest of us who respect the laws and tenets of democracy. Wanting legal votes thrown out because your guy didn't win is pure autocracy. Calling for electors to vote against the wishes of the people is dictator-like autocracy. And with the threatening gun toting protestors, the intimidation of public figures on both sides of the aisle via threats, and the lunatic political calls for people to stand up for trump even if it costs your life... violence is coming.
My only hope is that it is contained and limited to a small incident, but I don't think we can stop it from happening at this point.
I disagree with OCD often and I sometimes think he's somewhat extreme. But I will give him credit where credit is due. He posted this on December 9th and nobody can claim he didn't see this coming.
I'd honestly rather be thought of as crazy than see this unfolding. IMHO, it was easy to see coming, and the lack of preparedness was planned as well if you ask me. Trump is lighting the powder keg.
Objection toward counting the votes from Arizona just went through to the applause of some reps and senators. I knew it was coming, but goodness, it's still sickening.
Well their side believes the United States Constitution was subverted.
Because it was ignored, with the ignoring of state legislatures all through this election cycle.
It might help if GOP reps and senators give Trump a visit and and tell him that he's done, now. Time for the transition to begin, by taking all powers away from him.
Is there anyone in doubt that Trump, with access to our nukes is now a threat to our country?
It's why I've been saying for a long time now that liberals should arm themselves. It wasn't a joke or something I said lightly. Someone has to stand up fro Democracy. And at this point, if not us, who? I'm not planning at this time to take to the streets. But seeing what I'm seeing now, I reserve the right to change my mind at any point on the future.
So NOW they're concerned about uninformed troops? We all know who is in charge of the pentagon right now. If an attempted coup isn't reason to call them out, there will never be a reason.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
If they don't want to pay attention to the United States Constitution, and if they want to ignore the votes of over 100 million Americans, and try to tell everyone an outright LIE of the election results,
What would you expect to happen.
I wonder what the adjective politicians are going to say the next time they hold congress.
Actually I don't give a dang what they say. So many congressionals are unelected propaganda artists.
OH, USA has 50 states and 300 million people but one tiny dot votes Nanci Pelosi for 25 years, (that's what I mean by unelected)
It's a shame, it's a real shame, but, Nov. 3rd 2020 brought this about.
An armed mob has stormed the U.S. Capitol, using violence to stop the lawful certification of the Electoral College vote.
Armed assailants are attacking the seat of American government in an attempted coup, urged on by the president of the United States. Saying that feels melodramatic, ridiculous, and overwrought, but there’s no plainer way to describe what is currently unfolding.
Tens of thousands of supporters of outgoing President Donald Trump gathered in Washington, D.C., where he encouraged them to attend a rally as Congress began to ceremonially certify the Electoral College victory of President-elect Joe Biden. After a speech by the president, protesters overran security at the Capitol building, which seemed unprepared for the onslaught. They knocked over barricades, pushed past cordons of officers, and broke windows. Some carried Confederate battle flags as they got much closer to the heart of the U.S. government than any Confederate troops ever did.
Certification was halted. The Senate and House chambers were locked down, Vice President Mike Pence was whisked away, and demonstrators roamed the halls of Congress. Tear gas was reportedly released inside the Capitol Rotunda, and members were told to don gas masks under their seats.
This attempted coup is Trump’s fault. “This is what the president has caused today, this insurrection,” Mitt Romney told a reporter. It will not work—police may have been unprepared, but they will regain their footing. Those involved in the attack can and should be held responsible, but the president bears the ultimate blame. He has spent two months insisting to his supporters that the election was stolen in an undemocratic fraud. This is not true—the claim has been conclusively debunked and rejected in court after court.
RECOMMENDED READING An illustration of a gavel with the Constitution text behind it. America Is Nearing the End of Law ROBERT BLACK Trump appears with congressional Republicans at the White House. Trump Lost Everything for the Republicans DAVID A. GRAHAM An illustration of Joe Biden with 50 red dots and 50 blue dots. The Problem With a 50–50 Senate YASCHA MOUNK The participants in the coup ought to know better, but they have been lied to by the president of the United States. If what Trump was saying were true, members of Congress would have a patriotic duty to do all they could to save the election, and his supporters would have a patriotic duty to defend the rightful government. But Trump has lied repeatedly and brazenly, practically commanding his supporters to mount an uprising, and now they have done as he asked.
As the chaos spread, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. tweeted, “This is wrong and not who we are.” But this is exactly who the members of the Trump clique are. The president and his circle have mounted a four-year assault on the rule of law, and this is the logical end of both that tendency and the president’s specific words. Indeed, even as his son was trying to calm tempers, the president continued to whip them up. Trump raged at Pence, who said he did not have the power to overturn the vote:
[quote]Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 1h Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
He added, in another tweet, “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” He did not, however, call on protesters to leave. Trump himself is not present. Earlier today, he said he would march to the Capitol with his supporters, but instead he retreated to the White House, preferring not to get his hands dirty.
For four years, Trump’s critics have been accused of hysteria and hyperbole for describing his movement as fascist, authoritarian, or lawless. Today, as Congress attempts to certify the election of a new president, the president has vindicated those critics. In attempting this coup, Trump has also vindicated the Americans who voted decisively in November to remove him from office.
For some reason that sentence sounds a little harsher than vandalism or destruction of property. Not that both aren't wrong because they are. It just goes to show that according to the law not every crime is treated as being equal.
There are varying degrees of crimes which call for different levels of punishment.
If they don't want to pay attention to the United States Constitution, and if they want to ignore the votes of over 100 million Americans, and try to tell everyone an outright LIE of the election results,
What would you expect to happen.
I wonder what the adjective politicians are going to say the next time they hold congress.
Actually I don't give a dang what they say. So many congressionals are unelected propaganda artists.
OH, USA has 50 states and 300 million people but one tiny dot votes Nanci Pelosi for 25 years, (that's what I mean by unelected)
It's a shame, it's a real shame, but, Nov. 3rd 2020 brought this about.
If they don't want to pay attention to the United States Constitution, and if they want to ignore the votes of over 100 million Americans, and try to tell everyone an outright LIE of the election results,
What would you expect to happen.
I wonder what the adjective politicians are going to say the next time they hold congress.
Actually I don't give a dang what they say. So many congressionals are unelected propaganda artists.
OH, USA has 50 states and 300 million people but one tiny dot votes Nanci Pelosi for 25 years, (that's what I mean by unelected)
It's a shame, it's a real shame, but, Nov. 3rd 2020 brought this about.
You are part of the problem. You are completely delusional and disconnected from reality. Please seek help.
Objection toward counting the votes from Arizona just went through to the applause of some reps and senators. I knew it was coming, but goodness, it's still sickening.
Well their side believes the United States Constitution was subverted.
Because it was ignored, with the ignoring of state legislatures all through this election cycle.
Bull.
Crap.
By the way, is this the genocide you were referring to?
Carrying Confederate flags? You mean they were flying a flag of a known enemy of The United states? A flag of which was used to form a separate nation which attacked The United states of America? I guess at that point I have to ask, does that make them enemy combatants? Because at that juncture the level of restraint and combat you are allowed to use against them is totally different.
I initially agreed with you in the sense that he might drive these idiots to do worse by telling them to stand down, but I like what he's saying overall. Trump does need to get on the air...now.
Judges that he himself put on the bench told him no. His own VP said he can't go against the Constitution. Mitch McConnel told Trump no.
This...
Anyone want to bet that Trump will at some point tweet or state verbally that the people committing these crimes are "Patriots who are doing what they think is best for their country" ... the same enabling tactics he's used for Qanon.
Biden is acting like a real leader, unlike the weak man who incited this chaotic mess. Trump is a menace to this country. Thank goodness his time is almost done.
Is this going to be like that time when all the Christians on here would not say anything about Trump desecrating their holy book and a house of worship for a photo op?
I think you are witnessing the end of freedom in the United States.
They don't have freedom in China,
I say that because I just had the thought, what if, what if Trump has to live in exile?
We've seen the situation where a politician has to live in exile because of tyrants while supporters are terrorized, on occasions over the last 50 years,
I think you are witnessing the end of freedom in the United States.
They don't have freedom in China,
I say that because I just had the thought, what if, what if Trump has to live in exile?
We've seen the situation where a politician has to live in exile because of tyrants while supporters are terrorized, on occasions over the last 50 years,
Which politician are you referring to? Duvalier? Pinochet? Napoleon?
I've been coming on DT since 2004 when it was an offshoot of clevelandbrowns.com. In all that time, I have never blocked a single poster, no matter how bad things got.
Congratulations on being the first after 16+ years.
I was against Antifa and BLM violence. And I'm against this right wing violence.
Haven't we evolved as a species yet.
This is almost as dramatic as my soaps. Where's the popcorn.
Agreed.
I was doing this odd thing called "working" so I couldn't reply sooner.
This is deplorable. I respect these 'protesters' as much as I respected the protesters that were looting and burning cities down.
Trying to catch up on the news now, but if it's still going on, and NG needs to be there, and if shots got fired.....well. You do NOT over run the capital building no matter WHAT your thoughts are.
Is this going to be like that time when all the Christians on here would not say anything about Trump desecrating their holy book and a house of worship for a photo op?
Anyone...? Anyone...?
Some of us have jobs and can't be on here all the time!
If they don't want to pay attention to the United States Constitution, and if they want to ignore the votes of over 100 million Americans, and try to tell everyone an outright LIE of the election results,
What would you expect to happen.
I wonder what the adjective politicians are going to say the next time they hold congress.
Actually I don't give a dang what they say. So many congressionals are unelected propaganda artists.
OH, USA has 50 states and 300 million people but one tiny dot votes Nanci Pelosi for 25 years, (that's what I mean by unelected)
It's a shame, it's a real shame, but, Nov. 3rd 2020 brought this about.
I got this one: Sedition, civil unrest, insurrection... The POTUS is inciting all of this on total lies and his ardent supporters believe every word... he's going to get them killed, and he won't feel a thing.
This is just the dress rehearsal if you ask me. Trump has been tweeting "see you on the 6th" for a couple weeks. He planned this. It's time to invoke the 25th... If not now, when? I hope they conduct the inauguration indoors, because I fear the very worst on that day.
What's going on is a lame-duck president has been trying everything to try to overturn an election that has, time and time again, been established as legitimate. Despite being unable to show any legit evidence, the braying from him continues.
Now that he's run out of time, he incited a riot with purpose of stopping the proceedings to count the (legit) electoral college votes. None of his lapdogs would follow through with his order, so he unleashed his trained monkeys.
That rioters are storming the capitol based upon their belief that an election was stolen, which was a belief promulgated and asserted by the current president and his followers, who have litigated that notion and lost over sixty times. That notion was then adopted by a minority of legislators, who objected to a symbolic certification of electoral college votes, against the leadership of those in their own party, such as the Senate Majority leader, who earlier stated "The voters, the courts, and the states have all spoken. If we overrule them all, it would damage our republic forever. ... If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. We'd never see the whole nation accept an election again."
Guess what happened last night around here? My neighbor's house got broken into.
Luckily, they have a security system, with motion detectors in their home. The wife doesn't work. Just the husband.
Alarm went off, video was automatically taken, wife screamed and called 911 while the husband got a gun.
Dude took off headed south - towards me. 3 police departments searched for the guy. (2 different county sheriff's, and 1 local p.d. - now, for a 911 call, remember, cops could be miles away at the time - around here anyway)
I am currently looking into a security system for us. With cams. And, just like the guy that got broken into, we're just peons, not some uber wealthy, or even wealthy, people. We are not in politics, we are not 3rd in line to the presidency. Just normal old Joe's.
On a slightly different note, just as an update to this ^.
It happened Monday morning, around 12:15 a.m.
Dude was arrested this morning. I have NO problem sharing his name: Brandon Morris, a 2017 h.s. grad.
He's sitting in CCNO right now (Correctional Center of Northwest Ohio - it serves 5 counties, as well as the city of Toledo)
I applaud the police for their work.
This is the same guy that, in the summer of 2018, was fortunately arrested for menacing 2 girls, ages 14 and 13.
They were walking down a county road. He went past them multiple times, then finally stopped and chased them. They ran into a field while being chased, and called 911. Luckily, there was a deputy nearby, and he arrived and arrested this Brandon guy. Deputy also found a list of people in Brandon's car of people he wanted to harm.
He spent some time in CCNO for that. I guess not enough time to think everything through.
The home he broke into? Parents of 3 biological kids, and adoptive parents to 4 other kids, 3 of which are girls - oldest of the adopted kids is my daughter's age.
I do not know what charges he will face for breaking and entering, or what the sentencing could be, but I hope he gets the maximum sentence allowed under the law.
Sad it has come down to this. I expect more to come, maybe years to come.
To me, this is the medias fault. They don't report news any longer. They spew hate and divisiveness.
The media wants impeachment hearings. They want riots.
Well, here it is, and it isn't going to stop any time soon.
It's funny how the worm turns.
What garbage.
This is Trump. He owns all of today and everything that follows. He has baselessly claimed the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He has fed his loyal - dumb, mindless, moronic faithful who can't think for themselves this lie ... he was given every opportunity through this countries legal system to challenge the election ... and he pursued this. He came up with NOTHING to support his baseless lies. He lost the election and today's violence which was flamed by Trump and his supporters, is nothing to do with the media - it's all about Trump. Trump is, was and always will be Trump first and the good of the country is a distant thought from his mind, ever and always.
Sad it has come down to this. I expect more to come, maybe years to come.
To me, this is the medias fault. They don't report news any longer. They spew hate and divisiveness.
The media wants impeachment hearings. They want riots.
Well, here it is, and it isn't going to stop any time soon.
It's funny how the worm turns.
What garbage.
This is Trump. He owns all of today and everything that follows. He has baselessly claimed the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He has fed his loyal - dumb, mindless, moronic faithful who can't think for themselves this lie ... he was given every opportunity through this countries legal system to challenge the election ... and he pursued this. He came up with NOTHING to support his baseless lies. He lost the election and today's violence which was flamed by Trump and his supporters, is nothing to do with the media - it's all about Trump. Trump is, was and always will be Trump first and the good of the country is a distant thought from his mind, ever and always.
I made a comment about the sorry state of American politics. I wasn't pointing fingers at any one side. I point at all side...You and Rockets comments are good examples of the problem.
Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance · 1h WARNING: This massive national security failure at the Capitol could have led to massive hostage situation ending in executions and/or deaths. THESE STORMINGS WILL LIKELY OCCUR IN DEM STATEHOUSES IN NEXT 24-48 hours.
Sad it has come down to this. I expect more to come, maybe years to come.
To me, this is the medias fault. They don't report news any longer. They spew hate and divisiveness.
The media wants impeachment hearings. They want riots.
Well, here it is, and it isn't going to stop any time soon.
It's funny how the worm turns.
What garbage.
This is Trump. He owns all of today and everything that follows. He has baselessly claimed the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He has fed his loyal - dumb, mindless, moronic faithful who can't think for themselves this lie ... he was given every opportunity through this countries legal system to challenge the election ... and he pursued this. He came up with NOTHING to support his baseless lies. He lost the election and today's violence which was flamed by Trump and his supporters, is nothing to do with the media - it's all about Trump. Trump is, was and always will be Trump first and the good of the country is a distant thought from his mind, ever and always.
I made a comment about the sorry state of American politics. I wasn't pointing fingers at any one side. I point at all side...You and Rockets comments are good examples of the problem.
Well join me and others in blaming Trump and condoning him for the woeful things we saw today.
Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance · 1h WARNING: This massive national security failure at the Capitol could have led to massive hostage situation ending in executions and/or deaths. THESE STORMINGS WILL LIKELY OCCUR IN DEM STATEHOUSES IN NEXT 24-48 hours.
Who comes up with this ish? This could have led to executions? Could have led to a large orgy as well? What if it led to a big buffet with steak and seafood... that would be cool.
Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance · 1h WARNING: This massive national security failure at the Capitol could have led to massive hostage situation ending in executions and/or deaths. THESE STORMINGS WILL LIKELY OCCUR IN DEM STATEHOUSES IN NEXT 24-48 hours.
Who comes up with this ish? This could have led to executions? Could have led to a large orgy as well? What if it led to a big buffet with steak and seafood... that would be cool.
If this bipedal weasel would have had a spine we likely wouldn’t be here. Instead he became a toady sycophant. You reap what you sow you human trash pile.
Sad it has come down to this. I expect more to come, maybe years to come.
To me, this is the medias fault. They don't report news any longer. They spew hate and divisiveness.
The media wants impeachment hearings. They want riots.
Well, here it is, and it isn't going to stop any time soon.
It's funny how the worm turns.
What garbage.
This is Trump. He owns all of today and everything that follows. He has baselessly claimed the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He has fed his loyal - dumb, mindless, moronic faithful who can't think for themselves this lie ... he was given every opportunity through this countries legal system to challenge the election ... and he pursued this. He came up with NOTHING to support his baseless lies. He lost the election and today's violence which was flamed by Trump and his supporters, is nothing to do with the media - it's all about Trump. Trump is, was and always will be Trump first and the good of the country is a distant thought from his mind, ever and always.
I made a comment about the sorry state of American politics. I wasn't pointing fingers at any one side. I point at all side...You and Rockets comments are good examples of the problem.
Well join me and others in blaming Trump and condoning him for the woeful things we saw today.
I don't blame the President any more than any number of people or institutions.
I will join you that I very much don't condone such behavior.
There was once a time where I would say, in response to crap posted online or in the media; nah, that's bull that would never happen or didn't happen, come on, that won't happen . . . but today, you never know. Crazy rules the roost anymore. Should I be surprised that I am no longer surprised? What was an insane thought yesterday is perfectly legit today.
What do I believe in, where are my heroes?? Where is my creed, my rock, my firm belief in institutions, and men and women being led by principle at?
I spent my childhood being reared by strong bluecollar Roman Catholic democrats and we became Reganites, Regan Democrats. Into my adulthood I read National Review, listened to Rush Limbaugh, became a young republican, cheered on the elder Bush. I was a conservative with a some libertarian leanings as I got older. It was a guilty pleasure of mine, maybe a bit foreshadowing, of being a huge West Wing fan. Though Bartlett was just a fictitious character, he was the president I wanted in real life, and yet, instead we had Clinton. And then Trump.....
Now, I don't know what to believe. My heroes are fictitious, my upbringing null and void. AOC makes more sense to me than those who were championed to carry on the Reagan banner. And I think her ideas are all wrong....lol but maybe her heart is in the right place.
I went in to Walmart today and I am standing next to a young girl (more than likely a military spouse as I live and work on a USMC base here) and she had two babies in her cart. And I felt rotten. I felt like a failure, not as a human being, rather as an American. What kind of world will those children have?
So, the ornery folks on the left get mad and burn and loot business. The ornery folks on the right grab guns and storm capitol buildings. I am told by our media that one group is honorable if misguided, the other, dishonorable and totally misguided. Maybe we're all misguided. It sure does seem so. No one is being listened to unless you get violent.
From here on out, I think I will vote, the way I voted this year . . . vote every incumbent out. From the Capitol, to the Statehouses, to Town Hall. Things need to change. But I am skeptical that will work.
This is how I feel about what I am witnessing today. Thanks for reading.
LOL....get lost pal. I seem to recall you talking about fighting to the end.
Why did you vote for socialists?
You really need to stop. Biden isn't a socialist and you know it. Maybe the channel you're watching isn't telling you what was said this morning at the rally they held right before this all broke out.
Guliani called for "trial by combat".
And Trump?
President Trump vowed to “never concede” at a gathering of his supporters in Washington, leading to an extraordinary protest of the final ratification by Congress of Joe Biden’s electoral college victory, claiming that the peaceful transfer of power in 13 days amounts to “the country being destroyed.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical Democrats,” Trump told a crowd of supporters on the Ellipse just south of the White House. “We will never give up. We will never concede. It will never happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore.”
Claiming that elections in “Third World countries” are “more honest,” Trump framed his own efforts to invalidate the democratic process as a populist crusade.
“We will not let them silence your voices,” he said. “We’re not going to let it happen.”
Trump has said for days it would be "a wild protest".
There were others but it gets tiresome trying to lead the blind. THEY are who are responsible for what went on today.
For years I've heard you carry on about personal responsibility. Now that the actual fabric of our nation is at stake and you have the opportunity to stand up and do just that, you are abandoning your own responsibility to do so.
The only media that holds any responsibility for this is the portion of the media that has been throwing red meat to Trump supporters. Shame on you.
I am sorry to hear that you don't want to hold the most powerful man in the world accountable for his fanning these flames and the actions, words and tweets he is responsible for that lead to today.
That rioters are storming the capitol based upon their belief that an election was stolen, which was a belief promulgated and asserted by the current president and his followers, who have litigated that notion and lost over sixty times. That notion was then adopted by a minority of legislators, who objected to a symbolic certification of electoral college votes, against the leadership of those in their own party, such as the Senate Majority leader, who earlier stated "The voters, the courts, and the states have all spoken. If we overrule them all, it would damage our republic forever. ... If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. We'd never see the whole nation accept an election again."
Did I get anything wrong?
The other side believes we've already entered a situation where our democracy is gone and the whole nation will never accept an election again.
So, I ask how those would propose to address the illigitimacies of the voting process and counting process seen on or after Nov 3rd 2020, if those are not addressed, We already are there, where 100 million Americans will never accept an election again.
That rioters are storming the capitol based upon their belief that an election was stolen, which was a belief promulgated and asserted by the current president and his followers, who have litigated that notion and lost over sixty times. That notion was then adopted by a minority of legislators, who objected to a symbolic certification of electoral college votes, against the leadership of those in their own party, such as the Senate Majority leader, who earlier stated "The voters, the courts, and the states have all spoken. If we overrule them all, it would damage our republic forever. ... If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. We'd never see the whole nation accept an election again."
Did I get anything wrong?
The other side believes we've already entered a situation where our democracy is gone and the whole nation will never accept an election again.
So, I ask how those would propose to address the illigitimacies of the voting process and counting process seen on or after Nov 3rd 2020, if those are not addressed, We already are there, where 100 million Americans will never accept an election again.
The other side believes we've already entered a situation where our democracy is gone and the whole nation will never accept an election again.
So, I ask how those would propose to address the illigitimacies of the voting process and counting process seen on or after Nov 3rd 2020, if those are not addressed, We already are there, where 100 million Americans will never accept an election again.
The problem is that there isn't even a shred of credible evidence to support continuing that line of thinking. If there was, we would've heard about it via the investigations and countless lawsuits. Trump's lawyer teams have had ample opportunity to show we should stop and take a longer look at this. They have failed countless times.
Then, Trump appealed to his toady's Pence and McConnel, and even they wouldn't abandon their sworn oaths/duties. With nobody/few left to continue the coup, he incited a riot to interfere with the process of a legitimate election.
I would say that it's your right to continue to believe whatever you want despite how extremely at odds it is with the facts and reality, but the truth is that that right to belief has interfered with the execution of the Constitution and presents a very real threat to our democracy. The disappointment and hurt feelings of an extremist group have stopped our election process.
I forgot to add... I was all for doing investigations and digging into any worry of impropriety. If an allegation is made then we should investigate. I have no problem with this at all.
But it quickly became apparent that there was no substance behind the allegation, and despite getting opportunities to do so, the Trump team either couldn't or made no attempt to substantiate their allegations.
We have the process we have... the process worked... the process was challenged and that challenge failed.
I am very happy to see both sides of the aisle in the Senate debasing the Trump lies and actions of those who supported him in this insurrection. It looks like MANY will be going to jail.
Maybe this is what the hell they needed to get their crap together. Having an armed mob attempt a coup on a working day at the Capitol, having to shelter in place hiding from that mob, and finally having to be ushered away to safety... I guess that's all it took to wake them up and bring them together.
I'll say this much, in your face politics by people who are not being heard or fairly represented HAS been proven to work at least twice in the last year. But the illegal acts and violence are not part of that equation and should be stopped, condemned, and prosecuted on both sides EVERYTIME it happens. Peaceful protest is part of the fabric of our nation. I'd even go so far as to say overly animated protests or objections are welcome. But today a gun killed somebody in our US Capitol Building. Today a mob who bought into crazy conspiracy theories, lies, and an attempted coup incited by a president that is desperate to avoid losing power... this mob carried out the suggested will of that POTUS and attempted a coup in real time on national TV. And finally today, this nation got a much needed wake up call which showed them first hand the danger of this hyperpartisan rhetorical nonsense. I hope these leaders heed this wake up call and start serving/representing the people of the US again, all of the people. I hope they can bring us together and help us move on from this national nightmare, turning the page, leaving this craziness to history on a day that will go down in infamy.
Sad it has come down to this. I expect more to come, maybe years to come.
To me, this is the medias fault. They don't report news any longer. They spew hate and divisiveness.
The media wants impeachment hearings. They want riots.
Well, here it is, and it isn't going to stop any time soon.
It's funny how the worm turns.
Weak...just weak.....
You don't think that's true bro? Seems to me that's exactly what the media wants. "If it bleeds it leads" is a fifteen second window in today's world... we need mass chaos to keep eyes on the screen. How to you get that? By constantly creating more division.
At least two real explosive devices in DC rendered safe by law enforcement
At least two suspected pipe bombs have been rendered safe by law enforcement — one at a building that houses Republican National Committee offices and one in the US Capitol complex, a federal law enforcement official tells CNN
The official said these were real explosive devices and they were blown up to be rendered safe.
I've just been watching the situation closely. I hear the news and let Google be a tool in the tool box. Tonight I've watched some of MSNBC, CNN, OAN, Newsmax and CBS.
We may not see this the same way, but what I've seen today I consider as an attack on our democracy. The likes of which I have never seen by forces that actually live and reside among us on U.S. soil. There is nothing more serious to me than when I consider the Constitution under attack by our own citizens.
I've seen your posts and know you had to work today. So I understand you've had time constraints that I didn't have today. I hope that's a positive sign that business is picking up for you.
MAGA LOSERS can’t even take ownership of their actions.
That's kinda funny Charger, in the past year it's been hard for the left to admit Antifa even existed...I remember that conversation with Joe Biden vs Trump!
