After what I saw on another thread where a poster determined that the board is 90-10 "left," I just thought I would take a poll to see what the breakout actually is. Not trying to turn this into a discussion or argument or anything else (good luck, I know).

I'm sure there are plenty of categories I left out and that this unfairly captures everything, but I didn't want to have 15 - 20 categories.

Well we gonna find out if I'm right or if I stand corrected!! Thanks for the post!

Didn't we have one of these not too long ago?

Edit: we did.
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1397879/political-identification#Post1397879

Those poll results leaned heavily to the right.

Oh goodness. Thanks for exploiting my laziness!

Honestly, I'm curious to see the differences in results due to time passing and the wording between the two polls.

I may be wrong here, but the poster that said 90-10 left may FEEL that way based on the perception that a small number of hard left make the majority of the posts in politics - if that makes sense.

And many from the 'right' either just quit posting, or don't post near as much.

There's definitely a joke to be made about the quantity of posts from certain posters.

I had to go with other. Why??? Because I'm very conservative on some things, very liberal on others, and moderate on others. As I have said so many times before, I'm like a slolom skier.

I think it's probably normal to feel outnumbered if you're up against people - especially ones who vehemently disagree with you.

But, honestly, the only real reason I mentioned the 90-10 thing is just that is what sparked my curiosity.

What you're saying is a factor too, though. The number of people who identify a certain way doesn't necessarily reflect the number of posts.

And I'm the same way. Unfortunately "slalom skier" was not one of the options I thought of when I did the poll.

You threw in socialist and communist on the left but forgot alt-right white supremacist and fascist on the far right side... I mean fair is fair and a lot of cons on here would fall into those categories. Also, moderates fall on the right/left but the majority of moderates are conservative because the center lives on the right these days.

You need help.

How so? I would love to hear a detailed explanation instead of a cheap shot.

After the Biden Steal, I have no political alignment.

No need to vote anymore. The Demos now can change any US election and get away with it.

China is now firmly in charge!

It was me and I believe I agree with you. Not to mention I'm wondering if most won't even do this poll!

Detailed explanation? Don't need one...

...but forgot alt-right white supremacist and fascist on the far right side... I mean fair is fair and a lot of cons on here would fall into those categories.

Seems to me calling a lot of dawgtalkers white supremacist fascists would be the only cheap shot on here.

But that's the m.o. with you and your ilk. Just yell louder, with more outrageous comments.

Just out of curiosity, how many white supremacist fascists do you know in real life? Must be a lot.

I certainly know more of them than I know "leftie commies" or "libtards"... And I find it very telling that you are butthurt over this comment yet have no issue with calling the left socialists and commies in the most derogative sense of the words. Lastly, if the Trump era has taught us nothing else, it has shined a bright light on racism, racist white supremacists, fascism and fascists, and wouldbe authoritarian dictators. And I haven't even factored in the rise in domestic terrorism and hate crimes, the insurrection and attempted coup, or the willingness to place faith in all the blatant lies from your leadership. So if anyone is offended because they might fall into one of those categories, well they have way bigger issues than just me calling it out.

1. Who said "libtards", beside you?

2. I'm butthurt now?

3. Getting mad (butthurt) over what someone posts as choices in a poll is, well, childish. It is no more a pulse of what people think than you and your ilk entering every thread with a megaphone and shouting down every differing opinion.

4. The "blah, blah, blah Trump, hate, racist, fascist, dictator, blah" infiltrating every post, as if it has anything to do with the subject matter, is tiresome... to everyone, on all sides.

5. "Your leadership" infers something you know nothing about. Further inference that I support any of the dribble you stated or that I fall into "those categories" is a LIE.

"So if anyone is offended because they might fall into one of those categories, well they have way bigger issues than just me calling it out." ... is just a crafty way of calling ME a white supremacist fascist. Congrats -- you lived up to your reputation on yet another post.

Much the way that stating... "but forgot alt-right white supremacist and fascist on the far right side... I mean fair is fair and a lot of cons on here would fall into those categories" may as well be considered a lie, because you have absolutely NO idea that it is true. It's just something that you and your group take the liberty of extrapolating on to the general public and exaggerating the numbers as if it's some wide swath of America that feels that way.

A crafty way... whatever. You just want to twist my words into me calling you a name so somebody can report me for yet another ban... You have nothing else.

There are extremists on both sides. The odd thing is one side has no problem pointing out the extreme on one side while they seem to object to admitting the extremists they have within their own ranks. Very telling.

This may be your funniest post of the week (I know, it's only Tuesday, more fun to come!)

First, you just defined 80% (or more) of the posters on this board who engage in political debate from both sides. Then you attribute it all to ONE side, which is of course MY side, since we are all expected to choose sides in this playground. Next you imply that there is some refusal to "admit extremists" in "my" ranks. Further straying from the point I was making in the first place by moving goalposts.

And finally, your infamous "very telling" statement. Be a man, bro. What does it tell you? Spit it out rather than implying there is some deep character defect.

So, let's get back to the point...

Is this your contention as well?...

Do you also believe A LOT of cons on here are alt-right white supremacist and fascist?

No, I most certainly do not believe that. I also do not believe there are a lot of socialists or communists on here either, do you?

See that's more of my point. If you're going to list the extreme of one side in a poll, there's no reason not to list the extreme of the other side as well. And I don't see people going around pitching a fit about communist and socialist being on that list. I only see you whining about the fact that if you are going to list of extreme of one side, you should list the extreme of the other side. That seems to bother you quite a bit.

That's being in denial, not "manning up" as you try to insinuate anyone who disagrees with you doesn't do. Of course that's par for the course from your ilk.

There are a lot of greater men than yourself who disagree with your politics.

You can't believe what people marked. There are a bunch of communists in this place.

I will admit they may not know it.

The same could most likely be said for racists.

Dude. You have a really hard time with reading comprehension.

I'm not whining about the poll and I'm not bothered because it included or excluded anything, let alone "bothered quite a bit". I'm just tired of b.s. statements about race, fascism, and the brash generalizations thrown out every single time there is an opportunity... even one as innocuous as a silly poll on dawgtalkers.

For the last time, read slowly...

A LOT of cons on here are alt-right white supremacist and fascist is the only statement I objected to.

You can keep trying to turn it into something else, you won't succeed, people who read this board are smarter than you think, can think for themselves, and more than anything -- are very well aquanted with your antics.

Now go on... get your last word. I'm not going to satisfy your lust for trolling by engaging in anymore b.s. that has nothing to do with what I said.

If that is your objection then I can't say I blame you. It just didn't come across that way to me. It probably bothers you about as much as Peen claiming we are a bunch of communists. So I can understand.

Once again NOT taking responsibility for your own words. It's hilarious.

Oh, and I didn't report you. This time, or others.

Btw, I never got that Bells Palsy after my second dose...

There were witches in Salem, too. I will admit, they may not have known it.

It has the same factual basis.

Thousands of others did. Consider yourself lucky.

In typical GOPer fashion, you are now misquoting me using your words NOT mine. I posted this:



I did not post your words. And I think the right may suffer from reading comprehension issues on DT. English is a sophisticated tough language with all those words and stuff huh? smh

I mean stupid adjectives and adverbs adding attributes to other words without being NAMES people are calling you? so confusing...

OCD,

A LOT of cons on here are alt-right white supremacist and fascist

vs

... I mean fair is fair and a lot of cons on here would fall into those categories (alt-right white supremacist and fascist).


Perhaps my English isn't as good as I thought. Your overall point was that the poll includes (I assume) the derogatory categories for the left but not the right. But the next statement... which categories do you mean by 'those' that 'a lot of cons on here' fall into?

I'm assuming that's for someone else?

I mean, it was 8, and not proven related, but we can talk about that in another thread.

Gah! Meant for OCD.

Not quite my friend.

Witches aren't real. Communism is.

I'm going to entertain your question because I know you are a good dude. And yes I was making the point of the derogatory terms. And YES, I absolutely believe there are people or cons on this board that fall into those categories. I won't name names but if you have eyes and read PP regularly you will see it.

Now I don't think for a minute that any of them would ever admit it, but when you read some of the talking points they are straight off 4chan or stormfront.

And btw people have left and been banned permanently for racist remarks over the last couple years.

If that's your point, then own it. If not, then call it a mistake and clarify. Don't throw something out there like calling "a lot of the cons on here" the likes of fascists and racists, etc... and then when you get called on it back off and try to make like others 'have a reading comprehension problem'.

Now that that's out of the way, I do agree with you that certain posters do tend to put stuff up on here that would fall in those buckets. I wouldn't go as far as to say 'a lot' of one end of the political spectrum. I have no doubt folks have been banned for that... but then wouldn't that mean that the ones that remain aren't so bad?

Thank you for saying I'm a good dude. You are as well, and that's from someone that clashes with you more often than not.

I don't mind true conservatives, oober, and I have nothing against a good exchange of ideas or debate on the merits.

As for me going on about reading comprehension, Fate rephrased what I said to make it sound like I was calling him a name, that's why that was said. You see oober, that's a game some of these guys like to play. They will twist what you really said (wrote) into something you didn't to try to get you banned. I'm gunshy of the bans this week due to the draft. So there is that.

And yes, several of the posters that fit those categories left the board or never come into PP anymore. But a few do come in there and if you read what they say daily you will see a lot of bigoted comments and die hard support for Trump including the insurrection, stating Biden is illegitimate, and saying any other number of false things (debunked) as the truth in their eyes. Over the last few years I have seen muslims smeared, mexicans (hispanics) smeared, blacks smeared, anyone not for Trump smeared, and some of the nastiest things ever said on a non-political website. I have no doubt that we have in our presence some gun toting militia types, some Trump worshipping types, some Qanon types, some Trump is the new Jesus types, some subtle racists and some outright racists, and last but not least some fascists and white supremacists. Sure they may not be sporting swastikas or hoods but the rhetoric is there and that means the thought process is there too. So I guess I have to say that, "NO, I don't think what's left is not so bad", not when I continue to read the things I read on here.

A lot of the right wingers think the left leaning posters shout them down or run them out of PP and that's not true at all. When we come at them with facts and honest debate they fold and run, period. Others stay and make snide comments all day with little to nothing else to offer. Some troll. Some lurk. And a few will get in your face. But only a few sound like true conservatives and willing partners in a democracy. Pay attention for a couple weeks then yell at me if you still think I'm wrong on that point. I'd almost guarantee you will identify at least one racist and one fascist poster in two weeks of watching carefully.

All that aside, if the poll is going to list socialist and communist then the other sides fringes should be there as well. But I'm not so sure how fringe they are after the 6th. Those alt-right trumpian cons might be the norm now and guys like you are the center fringe. But dawglover05 and I have PMed and I get where he was coming from.

That post is priceless coming from you. You obviously have no CLUE how you constantly alienate, and actually make stuff up.

Haha, so is McCarthyism.

Yes it was.

My fear is you folks are going to get what you are asking for, and you don't know what you are asking for.

You can give your rights away. You have to fight to get them back.

I'll leave it at that.

I appreciate that notion, Peen, and I am with you in advocating for individual civil liberties envisioned by our founding fathers. I just think the focus on Communism is outdated and narrow.

I think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are all compromised in multiple forms of extreme governments, to include Communism, centralized socialism, fascism, unbridled capitalism, and even newer, unrecognized movements. The threat to democracies morphs over time.

I think the biggest threat to our rights currently is the lack of actual representation from politicians. It really is taxation without representation because we have so many idiots in Washington who are there to represent special interest groups. You would think people would be outraged, and see the problem, and stop rah-rahing for various politicians, but it just doesn't happen, and it's an awful problem from my lens.

We agree.

I don't feel you agree at all. According to what you've been saying over and over again, anyone who believes in making things better for all Americans is a communist. You've decided in your mind that anyone who disagrees with your politics is a communist. You've taken the most negative connotation one can think of and tried to label everyone on the other side with it. Either that or they just can't see it.

Which is exactly why I said the same thing could be said about racists. Anyone could say that anyone who disagrees with them about police violence, voting restrictions and a host of other racial issues are simply racists or "just can't see it".

But that would be just as wrong, just as much of a lie and creating a stereotype as you have done. There is no merit to what you've been saying and you just can't see it. Or you can see it and just don't care. I'm not sure which is worse.

I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.

Dad is that you?
See you can have opinions. I like vanilla ice cream over chocolate. My opinion is it’s better. Your opinion can be different.
You can’t have an opinion in certain situations. Math, as an example, doesn’t allow for opinions.
Can you understand that difference?
Another place you can’t have an opinion is what constitutes as communism. It has certain definitions that must be met. Medicare for all is not communism. Those that want it aren’t communist.
Your opinion matters not. It’s not fact based. Its your feelings.... and no one cares about your feelings.

I think part of the reason the communist label gets thrown around is because liberals think the solution to all of our problems is more government. What do you get when the government controls everything? Communism.





I agree, thats why I stopped voting for the 2 major parties. Nothing will change until we stop electing these people.

If you're viewing the issue of Communism from the Rocky vs. Drago era, then yes, it is narrow and outdated.

But right now Marxist based racist ideology is being pushed wholesale in a number of gov't institutions. Critical race Theory and Equity policies simply change the argument from being based on class to being based on race. The other day I had to sit for a mandatory Equity training... the people literally said they are implementing race based policies within city gov't.

People argue that amassing wealth in the hands of a few is a problem. When you give key people the position and power to discriminate you are amassing power in tot he hands of a few which equals authoritarianism.

Am I the only one surprised to see OCD and Pit actually admitting socialism and communism are extreme? Last I checked those guys were always extolling the virtues of both, even if they didn't mention it by name.

No, not your dad, but it sounds like we think alike.

Like I said, all's good. Think what you want. We've all chosen our sides so there is no sense in pretending otherwise.

I don’t have an issue with ‘choosing sides’. I have an issue with those willing to believe untruths or those perpetuating falsities. Yes you do think like my dad. Sadly. I’ve nearly walked away from our relationship over his views. Not because we differ but because his views are unfounded in facts and yet he digs his heals in. Making him sound like a lunatic.
My dad and I argued over his disgusting nonsense ‘opinion’ that Michelle Obama is a man. It’s disgusting. It’s based on no factual evidence. It’s not an opinion. It’s hateful, racially motivated, garbage rhetoric he learned from human trash like Rush Limbaugh.
I have no issues with differing opinions as long as the opinion is based in reality. And as long as the topic allows for opinions. I will not listen to nonsense ‘opinions’ such as the moon is made of cheese... or Michelle Obama is a man... or socialized medicine is communism.

You can be on your side. I can be on mine. Just make sure you’re basing your views... aka opinions... in reality.

LOl....everybody knows that Michelle Obama is a tranny. You didn't know that?

I don't go quite that fringe, so no need to worry. I haven't lost my mind yet.

I know this sounds evil to you.



They thought things like this were so evil back in the times of Jesus he was sacrificed for it.

It's amazing how anything humanitarian for our own population is labeled as liberal or socialist.

I don't think I've ever pushed communism. I do support the european brand of socialism, but not the venezuelan type. I know that the two are hard to distinguish between if all you know is "socialism bad", but there is a huge difference. We've had many socialist programs in the US since it's founding. We proven time and again that some socialism with capitalism is a good thing, unlike Trumpian fascism-lite when compared to Nazi Fascism where both are bad with one being extremely atrocious.

There's also the part that those European countries which are supposedly beacons of Democratic Socialism aren't actually socialist. They're free market economies with elaborate welfare programs. Talking about the merits of socialism today isn't as clearly defined as many would make it seem.
edit: reading this again, I might be making your argument for you.

I know I have to re-check the definitions of socialism and communism each time I make a post just to make sure my line of thinking isn't flawed from the start.

Don't walk back your comments on this board. We are a double-down only kind of folk in these parts.

Hahaha! I wasn't trying to walk anything back. Was just reminded of Bernie's pointing to certain European countries, and then the articles saying that they weren't actually Dem. Soc.

Clearly we have the same father

Sorry brother.