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I'm concluding, the makeup of the league means, that Any team should only draft anyone on defense,
secondarily in terms of draft picks that fall #60 overall or later,

Unless they can get one of the top two, (some years top 3) Super Elite Pass Rushers
because the rest of the time everyone is all interchangeable

Only a couple of players on any defensive team, throughout the entire league, can make a difference in who wins a game.
Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett,

and them sometimes a real good player at the Safety Position.

The worst thing the Browns can do this time,
with a #26 1st round pick

is select a project defensive lineman or linebacker who won't be on par talent wise to be any improvement to the team in the next 12 months,
or better than what they could find next year, in next years draft.

Taki Taki is young, Phillips is young, and Walker or Waler the guy from the Colts is young,

Who are they going to get at 26 that could even compliment the Browns linebakcers, as a rookie linebacker?

Same with defensive front 4, With Takk McKinley and Clowney, the Browns are back to 3 deep at dE
And
Ellitot and Bilings, behind Malick Jackson and Sheldon Richardson at the middle 2 DT,
who are the Browns going to find at #26 who can even compliment them, this year.

If you get a defensive front 7 player, who can't reach the level of talent of the top 12 you have at front 7,
and you waste pick #26 on it,

Then basically you are utilizing pick #26 on a player the team will pay, but won't see the field, even if healthy, for the entire season,

Now Delpit didn't help the team last year, because he was injured, nobody's fault, unavoidable, but the team got nothing out of using the pick on Delpit for those 12 months.

But The other situation is avoidable.

If They draft a running back, he takes, Hilliards' place, maybe D'ernest Johnson.

If they draft a WR, he takes, Khaderal Hodge's place, maybe Taiwan Taylor. (I get the db and the wr confused)

but either way, The WR, or RB you'd get at #26 overall,

is, talent wise going to be better than, and compete with what you have,
and help your team in the next 12 months.

A DT, A DE, A LB? Won't!

You'll be sitting here 12 months from now, hoping to get something out of the guy you draft a week from now... to help your team, Next next, year, 2022; as a 2nd year player, with a year on the bench.

and not any better than the guy you can draft, next April, at #26-#32;
and hope to help your team for the first time in the same, Next next, year, 2022; as a Rookie player.

I don't see a lot of benefit, because Defensive tackles, front 7,
Don't need a year to learn a system, it's see guy with ball, hit big hard, bring down, grab to strip the ball,
be a tough tough son of a guy.

and they come along every year.

Now, A Travis Kelce, or a Pitt from Florida, at Tight End?

They come along 1 person, once every 3 or 4 years, they might be twice as rare to find as even a real good Quarterback.

How many truly elite tight ends are in the league at any given time? 4. Maybe 5 at most.

As I stated before. Everyone loves analytics until it doesn't look pretty.

Oddly enough, DePodesta said that to Jimmy Haslam. Then Haslam fired all the analytics people. Then he hired a lot of football people. Then he fired the football people. Then he rehired analytics people, haha.

And this time it's working. Yet still people question what is working. I find that very strange.

j/c

What's the over/under on how many words per minute Throw can type?

more than the sack count of clowney over the last 3 years....

im trying not be negative on clowney, but i'd rather have aldon smith and take the chance on him, or hell sign both. we had the cash.

Does it have to be coherent?

It's a long season and whether or not the 26th pick is a day-one starter should be near the end of the list of requirements.

Rookies playing at a high level is pretty rare (maybe a dozen a year). Most become starters early because there is a hole at their position n the team. We have all kinds of holes, they just don't show up this year on paper (until someone gets injured).

Our potential starting 2022 defensive line is...err...Garrett and maybe Elliott if he works out.

Clowney, Takk and even Garrett have missed time due to injuries. DE would not be a wasted pick.
Richardson and Jackson are north of 30 and Billings hasn't played in over a year. DT would not be a wasted pick (especially considering even your DT starters should only float around 70% of the snaps).
Malcolm Smith and Takitaki have not been every down LBer's. LBer would not be a wasted pick.
Ward and Greedy have injury histories and little depth behind them. CB would not be a wasted pick.

Safety, yeah a bit wasteful at least at #26 if you are looking for immediate contribution.
WR, yeah a bit heavy at #26 with the 5 guys we have.
TE, same.
O-line. Yeah, not that early. Probably leaning toward a Tackle would could start in 2 years.
RB. No comment.

D-line, CB, LBer. None would be wasted. Even in year 1. Definitely not by year 2 (unless they bomb )

Pretty much any "realistic" pick wouldn't be wasted. Those top 3 picks would contribute to some varied degree this year, and even more important will be expected to step in as starters in a year or two.

We just cut Richardson today. A few days ago most people said it would never happen when it was first speculated. In the next year or two, guys like OBJ, Landry, Bitonio, and Treeter are primed to no longer be on the team, so drafting that "wasted pick" wide out as an example might not look like such a waste next year.

For things to make sense, sometimes you have to think and look ahead.

Yea good thing we took him over Clowney, Oh wait we took Clowney

wse dodged a bullet here

That sucks for him.

That doesn’t change my feelings on clowney. And we lost Richardson on top of that.

And just think, some people were claiming nobody wanted him. Well he's wanted now.

lmao!!