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That's because he is a shortstop; he was drafted by the San Diego Padres in the 28th round of the 2013 MLB draft.



http://m.mlb.com/news/article/78703344/johnny-baseball-manziel-drafted-by-padres

well i wrote something then i thought it might derail the topic so.....

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The Good-
(besides all the things mentioned)
- I was at the game yesterday, the CROWD was very into it and noisy.
- Our DBs did a great job. I think up until about the 4th Q, there was only 1 catch by a Titans WR. I can't rip on Joe Haden too much for that TD pass to DGB...that ball was about 10' high and he made a GREAT catch. No DB could cover that.

The Bad-
- We couldn't cover their TEs at all. Every time I looked up, the middle of the field was wide open for Fasano. This is a combination of bad coverage by our LBs and Safeties.
- Run defense is still frustrating. Too easy to run off tackle for 7 yards every time it seemed.

The Ugly-
- Play calling was blah as blah can be.

Unfortunately... when I see him release the ball like that, after I get passed the "that was a nice display", I wonder if he hurt his elbow and is in pain from the tendinitis.

Not to go all Butch Davis on you .. (I think that's the coach who said it, anyway) but the run defense really had a few plays that were bad, one drive really, and one ig play. They have up that 44 yard run, and IIRC, something like 71 yards on 3 runs.

We have a bunch of new players on the DL, and that is bound to have an impact. Armonty Bryant did not get t play in this defense last year. Meder is new to the team. Starks is hew to the game. Shelton is a rookie. We also have Cooper, another rookie, who has been inactive. This is a very inexperienced DL, and I think that played into some of the problems, and I would think that they will improve as they learn their responsibilities .... much like the defense overall did last year as they got the defense down pat.

It was a truly insightful period.

One of his best posts ever!



(Disclaimer: Yes, that's a joke, for those who cannot tell)

It definitely has something to do with it IMO

A few quick notes, I agree with most of what is up here. I kept an eye on the DL and OL just because I'm sick of staring at the QB all the time.

Good
-A Bryant is crushing it. I think he is a deceptively quick big guy that those Tackles couldn't handle.
-John Hughes looks great again as well.
-JFF is slowing building a portfolio of success. He needs more time to learn and play; he needs probably 1 or 2 more weeks on the bench but if Josh does not cut it, lets pass the keys off.
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Bad
- Better offensive playcalling. Hawkins and Gabriel are weapons we need to use as well. Not just WR screens but other items
- Whitner might have to get benched later this year for Poyer or Campbell. The key to beating Cleveland is throw to your TEs and it is working.
- Orchard did not impress. The LT just put his hands on him and he couldn't pull of his block. Either do the Wimbley shuffle and run around or learn some moves youngblood.


Ugly
- I want to see Xavier Cooper. Our DL is deep and I'm not sure who he is replacing but he would be a nice option. May be more 4DL spots and bench Orchard for a bit.
- Bowe.... Goodbye!
- Mack is struggling. He is not healed yet.
- The last JFF play was only possible because they got the linecall wrong. Lets make those adjustments.

Yup. Mack had a not-so-great day.
He was outright stood up on that play, and he had a few other bad plays in there that cost us, too.

I remember one play that Crowell got tackled for a loss where Mack got knocked over backwards, like a Weeble. I thought I was watching Greg Racoczy again. [Warning: Obscure 80's Browns Reference]

I know if I don't take the period seriously, there is hell to pay.

Oh, boy. You went there

Edit: "you" as in dc

THANK YOU!!!

I thought I was going insane seeing people write that we needed to keep our foot on the gas...right now, they happy to make it to the top of the hill so they can coast as long as possible delaying the inevitable catastrophic engine explosion.

I'm wondering if he just doesn't have his leg strength back? Center is all about leverage as you're generally lower and smaller than the guy across from you and if you don't have a strong base you're done...

To me that's the obvious problem. It's not like the guy forgot how to play C. I look for him to get progressively better as the season goes along.

I'm sure you're right.

He'll finally get back to playing at a pro-bowl level just in time to opt out of his deal. <sigh>

His injury was just an ACL, right?

There's no leg strength issue there, just lateral stability issues. If anything, he probably just doesn't fully trust it, yet.

No. He broke his leg.

Remember when we worried that Mack might opt out of his contract? If his play doesn't improve, we might be upset if he doesn't.

Ahh, ok. Then yeah, I could definitely see both strength and trust issues being prevalent.

For what it's worth...

I recorded the 2nd half yesterday, and today reviewed it looking specifically at Mack. For the most part he handled himself well. There were a couple plays where he appeared to be blown up by Woods, who is BIG. The first he appeared to bowl Mack over and tackled the runner for a 4 yd loss. He got Mack moving backwards. Mack went to plant his right foot and reset his base, but his foot tangled with Manziel's foot and they both went down. It looked worse than it was. The second time Woods appeared to blow Mack off the line, Crow ran through the created hole for a 15 yd gain. Which raises the question did Woods blow Mack up or did Mack outfox Woods to open the hole?

I know I had targeted him a lot last game. I wasn't paying much attention, but it's nice to hear he had a better debut against a lesser front.

I'll be watching the Jets defense against Colt's offense tonight. Maybe it's just the Jets have officially in reality as they do "on paper" - a lights out defense from front to back and all around. I recall Mack having a rough first back game with them. Very rough...

the play him and johnny trip over each other.















hope you dont mind vers but i thought i would put up a dif view just to see what people think.

Don't mind it at all. You're educating us. That's a good thing.

A few comments:

--I disagree w/Whit being so bad. He was there most of the day. Did any of you watch Denver the other night? Ward completely whiffed on an open tackle early in the game and had no clue in pass defense. Whit actually had a pretty good game.

--Someone mentioned Hughes looking good. I agree. I didn't like the pick when Heckert chose him, but Hughes has turned out to be a good player. I was wrong.

--I think the same guy [was it Platform?} say that Orchard did bad. I agree again. I forgot to mention him. People rip on Mingo, but no one else saw how weak Orchard is at the point of attack?

--Mack is taking a ton of grief, but he actually had a very good game overall. Yep, there was that one play that play just highlighted. The other play was pure genius. Mack allowed the guy to shoot the gap and just steered him in that direction because he knew where the run was designed to go. Remember guys like Big Money and Big Baby? They would choose a gap and opponents would just steer them that way. It cost us big time. It cost the Titans on that play because Crow had a nice run. I saw Mack driving guys backwards on other plays. Don't let a couple of plays deceive you.

--A few guys brought up the playcalling. Yeah, it was pathetic in the second half. Way too conservative. If it weren't for Johnny bailing them out on another conservative call where the Titans got pressure and Benji running free........we would have been in big trouble. That play stymied Tennessee's momentum.

--To the guy who went to the game: Pretty good observations for the most part and you are right about the crowd. They were into it. I was impressed. Hope you had a good time. The opener is always fun. I went to most of them. Trouble is I can't really remember winning those games.

Respect the period.
FEAR the period.

Maybe... but I'm still thinking it's rust from the soft TC. I guess we'll know in the next few weeks. Hard for me to believe he could fall off so much after just one offseason.

I remember that play, they showed a sideline view replay and it was pretty clear that Mack got blown up, straight back into the backfield right on the snap.. Not a good look but just one play.

Especially at 30.. at 35 or 36? Yea, there might be a significant drop off in one off-season, that's kind of how it works... but at 30?

Longwinded.

Good
-Travis Benjamin. So damn fast. Really happy for him.
-Defensive line
-Johnny Manziel's game sealing throw
-I also loved his second touchdown drive. It's going overlooked, because it ended with a Crowell rushing TD, but the drive featured several nice throws and debunks this new myth about Johnny only being able to throw deep passes (no)
-Crowell
-Mariota's mental toughness. I thought he really hung in there. The Browns really got after him. To string together the two drives at the end of the game was impressive.

Bad
-We all want to see Manziel not get stripped from behind. It happens to the best of them. Eli Manning has two rings and he got stripped and fumbled the ball in a key moment Sunday. Even then there are time where he's gotta make a decision when he's up in the pocket. I said it before, but just chuck the thing at the feet of an eligible receiver. He will learn. If that's our biggest worry with him at this point, we're ok
-Rush defense on the edge. I hate being run on like we have been.
-The refs calling delay of game after the fact? I stream the audio from Donovan and Dieken during games and on that play where we got the turnover they let the play run and then called delay of game. I did not hear a whistle on the audio from the stream, and there was no flag on the field. Yes it was a legitimate delay of game, but man would we be complainng about this if we had gone on to lose that game.

Ugly
-From our end their isn't a whole lot of ugly other than some of our linebackers and Whitner taking awful paths to runs on the outside.
-Not a fan of painfully obvious run-run-pass offense we ran in the middle of the game
-Ken Whisenhunt as an NFL head coach
-People who think Dick Lebeau walks on water

Nice post, Sperg.

You have been rocking it and thanks for sticking to the intent of the thread.

ha, thanks. I skimmed through the game a second time on my dvr.

The good
Winning a home opener!
Travis Benjamin - to think so many people wanted him gone.
d-Line

The bad
The delay of game call. I was at the game and no one knew what the heck happened. It was most certainly a delay, however no flags or whistles and the ball is given back to TN. I had to text my brother to figure out what happened. That is the kind of thing that gets bottles chucked onto the field, lol.
Manziel fumbles - that can be fixed I think.

The ugly
Predictable play calling

I find that is the best thing to do. It takes the emotion and the hype out of it since you already know what the outcome is.

I've always held the opinion that Mingo wasn't bad, that he just did different things than people expected. I always thought he would continue to develop and become a more well-rounded player. After two games he looks the same. Mingo is a useful player to have on the team (so is Johnson Bademosi). As of right now I wish he could do more. Sixth overall picks, that are outside linebackers, need to contribute more than being good in coverage.

Thanks for the post ,, Maybe everyone should just take one player this season and isolate on him .. I plan on making a study of Shelton the season ..

Isolate on Orchard. Pathetic.

How many snaps did he play in the game?