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There were claims that nothing in his post was true. If he believes it, it's true that he believes it.

Again, it's certain posters false absolutist approaches that annoy me.

...And they still haven't.

Apparently I can’t add. I subtracted instead of adding. I knew it was 14 hours from here because I have friends over there

I listened to both versions. Well, I'll be a son of a gun! Thanks for pointing that out! I take back 3% of what I've said wrong about you!

U.S. Links Chinese Satellite Imagery to Iranian Strike That Killed Three Troops
Finding deepens U.S.-China tensions ahead of the Trump-Xi summit as officials examine possible Chinese help tracking American warships



Servicemen carry the casket of Pvt. Isabella Gonzales, draped with an American flag, during her funeral service.
The casket of one of the U.S. victims killed in an Iranian attack on Muwaffaq Salti Air Base. Joel Angel Juarez/Reuters
By
Vera Bergengruen
,
Shelby Holliday
and
Anika Arora Seth
Updated Sept. 11, 2026 9:57 pm ET

Before Iran carried out its attack that killed three U.S. troops in July, Tehran acquired high-resolution satellite images of the base in Jordan from Chinese entities, according to U.S. officials familiar with details of the incident.

It is the clearest evidence so far that Chinese support for Iran during the war has had lethal consequences for U.S. forces, according to the officials, who say the U.S. has connected the imagery to the attack.

The U.S. officials declined to identify the Chinese entities that supplied the imagery to Iran and didn’t allege direct involvement by Beijing. Tehran procured the images both before and after the attack.

But the finding could deepen U.S.-China tensions ahead of the planned summit between President Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Sept. 24, after months of frustration with Beijing’s rejection of U.S. warnings about Chinese companies providing imagery to Iran.

Senior U.S. officials raised the imagery linked to the July 17 attack with their Chinese counterparts, who pushed back and demanded proof, the U.S. officials said. China has repeatedly dismissed Washington’s concerns, refusing to acknowledge that any Chinese companies are engaged in such activity, the officials said.

A video circulating on social media and verified by The Wall Street Journal shows a ballistic missile attack on Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan.
The Chinese Embassy in Washington didn’t address the specific U.S. allegations. Spokesperson Liu Chang said unnamed critics were “maliciously linking and smearing other countries” by exploiting the conflict, and said China’s cooperation with Iran complied with international law.

In the July 17 attack, Iranian ballistic missiles struck a housing area at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in northeastern Jordan where American troops had been sleeping. Three soldiers were killed and four others were wounded and medically evacuated. Iran also targeted manned and unmanned aircraft at the base, other U.S. officials said.

The attack was one of three separate missile strikes on the base in 24 hours and marked a significant escalation in the war. The strike resulted in the first U.S. deaths since an April ceasefire, and exposed the difficulty of protecting U.S. forces even at a heavily defended installation. It also raised alarms about Iran’s improved ability to hit American targets.


In the July 17 attack, in which U.S. military troops were killed, Iranian ballistic missiles struck a housing area in Jordan. Spencer Platt/Getty Images
Servicemen fold an American flag during the funeral service for Pvt. Isabella Gonzales.
Three soldiers were killed and four others were wounded. Joel Angel Juarez/Reuters
The strikes on the base came after senior Trump officials spent months warning their Chinese counterparts that Chinese companies were providing satellite imagery Iran could use to target U.S. personnel and assets in the region, officials say. The Trump administration sanctioned several Chinese companies in May, saying that supplying satellite imagery to Iran “threatens American and partner personnel.”


Within three days of the July attack, Iran released high-resolution images showing damage to three separate areas of the base. Publicly available lower-resolution satellite imagery analyzed by The Wall Street Journal showed damage to more than 20 structures across the three areas of the base.

Trump has told his team that it is a priority for him to maintain good relations with China and Xi in particular. Senior U.S. officials have responded by trying to avoid public confrontations with Beijing that could overshadow or derail plans for the summit. A White House official said no assistance Iran was receiving from outside actors had enhanced its ability to attack the U.S., without addressing the finding.

Publicly, senior Trump administration officials have played down the impact of any Chinese assistance to Iran. Days after the July 17 attack, Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with Chinese Foreign Minister [censored] Yi. Asked afterward if the Chinese were providing Iran with targeting information, he declined to answer directly, saying “nothing that China has done has in any way changed the trajectory of the conflict.”


Earlier in the war, U.S. attacks on Iranian radar, satellites and other equipment degraded the regime’s ability to see the battlefield. Iran often hit locations of lesser military significance where nothing significant was located—an indication that Iran didn’t have a clear picture of U.S. bases.

However, the targeting appeared to improve over the summer, officials say.

Fresh, high-resolution images from Chinese sources could reveal recent changes at a base and help Iran “select the most impactful targets in a timely manner,” said Jim Lamson, a former CIA analyst who specialized in Iran’s military and weapons. Post-strike imagery could help Iran assess the effectiveness of the strikes and decide whether and where to attack again.

The imagery likely would have been one of several intelligence streams used by Iran, analysts and former officials say. Iran’s military also draws from its own satellites and human sources, as well as intelligence and imagery from Russia, according to U.S. officials.



The imagery is part of a broader flow of Chinese technology and data used by Iran, including navigation services, and components used in drones and missiles. Taken together, it “starts to look pretty substantial” in improving Iran’s long-range strike capabilities, says Lamson.

A Long March-8A carrier rocket launching into a cloudy sky from a coastal launch site, with crowds watching from a beach in the foreground.
China has repeatedly dismissed Washington’s concerns about help provided to Iran. Meng Zhongde/Xinhua/ZUMA Press
Unlike some of the other intelligence available to Iran, Chinese technology and imagery are areas Washington can try to disrupt through sanctions and pressure Beijing, officials say.

U.S. officials are also concerned that China could be helping Iran stalk American naval assets as well, according to people familiar with the matter. In recent days, Iran has fired ballistic missiles at a U.S. aircraft carrier and other warships. While Central Command said all the attacks failed, officials described some as close calls and said Iran’s ability to target moving ships appeared to be improving.

China’s satellite industry often blurs the line between commercial and state companies, U.S. officials and analysts say, because even ostensibly private companies operate under extensive government oversight, and many have links to the government or the Chinese Communist Party.

In May, the Trump administration sanctioned three Chinese companies—MizarVision, Earth Eye and Chang Guang—that it said were providing, collecting or publishing imagery that Iran could use to target U.S. forces. State Department officials last year accused Chang Guang of providing satellite imagery that directly supported attacks by Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis, calling the support “unacceptable.”

The administration has briefed lawmakers on the intelligence committees in recent weeks on the support both Russia and China are providing to Iran, according to congressional officials.

https://www.wsj.com/world/u-s-links...strike-that-killed-three-troops-ca0b4be3

There are days that feel like yesterday even years later. If you didn't experience that day, it's hard to explain it. The world changed forever

GM was the first of a few people to pm me when i went through my stage four cancer bout. he was the first guy i met at DTI and hung with me the duration. thank you for being my friend. you will be missed.

Houthi rebels are now demanding trump pay each one of them $5000.

Nope. He has to be Bub "Refried" Means first, then graduate to "Means Business". At least that's how it worked with Natrone. 😉

It made just as much of a point as the post I was replying to. Just in a more efficient manner. It's not my job to disprove every meaningless word of BS you post regardless of your belief to the contrary.

Guards are now only one half game out of first in the Central.

Attorney General Todd Blanche on Sunday did not commit to acting independently of President Trump, but he claimed the president has not and will not ask him to prosecute specific individuals.

Trump publicly pressured AG Bondi to take action against Democratic Senator Adam Schiff, New York Attorney General Letitia James, and former FBI Director James Comey. Trump directed the DOJ and FBI to investigate Democrats tied to Jeffrey Epstein, including former President Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and Reid Hoffman. Trump, in an executive order signed Thursday, directed Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate allegations that Republicans have raised that ActBlue allows illegal campaign donations.


“There’s a big difference between saying we will always do our job and investigate any case and act independently of the White House. No, I’m not going to pledge that. And no attorney general should ever pledge that,” Blanche told host Kristen Welker on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.”

He later said, “If I were to pledge, I will be independent of the White House, what that means is that if President Trump says, ‘I want the Department of Justice to go after every violent criminal in this country’ — which is what he has said — what you’re saying to me is I should say, ‘No, sir, I’m not going to do it.’”

That would simply be him asking you to do your job. Not go after his political enemies or make purely political decisions and prosecutions based on politics alone.

Blanche also said he would “of course” take the president’s view into consideration before taking action, noting he hoped “every attorney general in history would not answer that question differently.”

Since taking over at the Justice Department in an acting capacity, Blanche has overseen the department’s prosecution of former FBI Director James Comey — who was fired by Trump during his first term — over an alleged threat to the president.

Comey, a frequent critic of Trump, denied threatening the president via his Instagram post of a photo depicting “86 47” written out in seashells on a beach.

Blanche also signed off on the creation of a $1.776 billion “anti-weaponization” fund as part of the president’s settlement agreement with the IRS.

Under that agreement, Blanche ordered the IRS to never again probe the taxes of Trump, his family members or his businesses — despite the tax agency falling under the Treasury Department. A federal judge has since reopened the president’s lawsuit against the IRS.

The Justice Department scrapped the fund amid bipartisan backlash on Capitol Hill, with Blanche officially rescinding his initial order earlier this month in exchange for Republican Sens. John Cornyn (Texas) and Thom Tillis (N.C.) supporting his confirmation.

The Senate confirmed Blanche via a 50-49 vote last weekend, and Trump’s former personal attorney was sworn in as the full-time attorney general on Aug. 10.

When Welker asked Blanche what he would do if the president asked him to cross an “ethical or legal line,” the attorney general dismissed the possibility.

“The president will never ask me to do something unethical or illegal. He never has. He never will,” Blanche said Sunday.

The attorney general later remarked, “The president does not expect any of his leaders, including me, to just say yes to him no matter what he says. And so of course, there’s vigorous back and forth with every Cabinet member of the president of the United States, which is exactly what President Trump expects.”

“Again, there is this extraordinarily false narrative that the president wakes up in the morning and calls me and says, ‘Todd, go prosecute X or Y.’ He does not do that. He has never done that. He will never do that,” he added.

Once again......
Trump publicly pressured AG Bondi to take action against Democratic Senator Adam Schiff, New York Attorney General Letitia James, and former FBI Director James Comey. Trump directed the DOJ and FBI to investigate Democrats tied to Jeffrey Epstein, including former President Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and Reid Hoffman. Trump, in an executive order signed Thursday, directed Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate allegations that Republicans have raised that ActBlue allows illegal campaign donations.

The president previously urged Blanche’s predecessor, former Attorney General Pam Bondi, to speed up the prosecutions of multiple of his perceived enemies last year.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6032206-blanche-rejects-independence-pledge/

There are weapons.

Guys who started last year on the OL have been cut or are now second string. They have to be better. Q is healthy.

We have capable receivers and fine young TE.

DW does not need to be miraculous.

What a crock. Another rule change after michigan was handed a win on a blown call. Just last year against Minnesota, the refs wrongly called Minnesota offsides on an onside kick with 1:37 left that nearly put them in field goal range down 3. You could see the ref with his hand on the flag ready to throw it. It wasn't close to being off sides. The Big 10 instituted a rule change on this one too. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but all this crap that benefits a crooked, cheating ttun sure doesn't pass the smell test.

I thought something was up. That post didn't sound like you at all. Hope everything gets worked out.

In August, had an historical event in Colorado Springs. The National museum of World War 2 Aviation hosted 3 SB2C Helldivers. The only 3 in the world that fly. They did a sunrise flight along with a B-25, then a second flight around noon. Seeing 4 WW2 planes startup, taxi and sit in line waiting for takeoff was quite a sight.

https://fantasy.espn.com/football/l...eId=3bf1749d-3621-4a2a-b127-a6a586f72c52

that one should work ... sorry new to this

Lmao… politicians would have to pass this. Find one on either side that never lies.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of the Jaguars. They ended on an 8 game winning streak in the regular season, but it was the opposite of a murderer's row. LAC (Lance replaced Herbert in game behind an OL mash unit), @ARI, @TEN, IND (Riley Leonard mostly at QB), NYJ, @DEN, @IND (off the couch Rivers at QB), TEN.

Re Hines-Allen specifically how much are his numbers about him being good vs the OTs he faced being "bad" and vice versa? How much were Ersery and Dan Moore Jr being "bad" about Hines-Allen (and the Texans DEs) being good? I can't say I watched much any of the Jaguars. Only thing that stands out in my recollection is the kicker booting bombs.

Personally, I think the biggest matchup for the Browns is probably Watson vs himself. Whether he can win that one when it counts now remains to be seen.

I get what you're saying but often times teams that are mismatched do give QB's opportunities they do not get against better opponents. It's much easier for a QB to do the things you speak of when they are comfortable, not pressured and have more time in the pocket. When you're not being pressured your game will flow in your own comfort zone. Not saying that's the case here because I didn't watch the game.

If you play a much weaker team your WR's aren't facing top end defenders. It makes it much easier for your WR's to get open than they may be against much better opponents. Your OL isn't facing top tier DL and LB's which also makes their jobs easier to protect the QB.

Top CB's, DL, OL and every position on the field whose aspiration and talent makes their goal playing in the NFL go to schools where they get the most attention and the most exposure. Many of those who don't go to the top schools do so because they aren't sure they could win the starting position so it's easier for them to be starters and get more exposure at a smaller school than sitting on the bench at a better school.

It does make it easier to see what they can and will do when they're in their comfort zone. What their natural tendencies are when you have the luxury of playing against inferior players. It doesn't tell you what they will do when their teams talent has to face similar talent and they're thrown out of their comfort zones. How a QB will react or what he may revert to when his WR's don't get open on a regular basis and he has to throw into traffic more often. How his mechanics may change when regularly pressured. How he reacts when he has to lead his team on late, game winning drives. The judge of a great QB is how they react when the heat is on. You don't win it all in the NFL based on playing inferior teams.

And yes you can bring up Josh Allan. On rare occasions even QB's who play on lower tier teams can develop into more. It's just not a very common occurrence.

I could care less what Monken's "Type" is. The QB will more than likely out last Monken.

As for his career, he inherited Jameis Winson, he inherited Baker Mayfield and he inherited Lamar Jackson.. I don't see a pattern, except he coached what he was given.

I want the best possible player to build an offense around, not just a type to run Monken's offense.

I don't expect a lot out of this season. It depends heavily on this rebuilt O-line as you already mentioned. It typically takes some games to gel when you get a new guy or two.. they have 5 who have never played together. If they can learn to play effectively early, we could get some surprise wins if the QB doesn't lose games for us.

I agree, growth is the most important ingredient here, nothing helps a young QB more than an experienced team around him...

I certainly am not honing in on Manning though, too much talent at the college level right now to focus on one player.