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Re: Chubb to Retire as a Brown DeisleDawg 09/25/26 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
I'm torn on this...

The fact they are doing this recognition/celebration the same day as Watson's first home start seems like a PR stunt to suppress some of the angst toward Watson and hype the crowd about Chubb before the game. I'd prefer it to be more about Chubb than it being (possibly) about that.

But I get it.

That thought hadn't even entered my mind. So it appears as it pertains to me, if that is their plan it worked. This casts a totally different light on the situation for me. It makes perfect sense.

I'm happy Chubb is retiring as a Browns but just as yourself I'm now questioning the motivation for the timing.


Pit please don't think this way

The fans need to celebrate for Nick Chubb

Any other name or reason should not ruin what Nick Chubb gave his team and fans.
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Re: Deshaun Watson today DeisleDawg 09/25/26 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
IMO at this point I would not trade any of our QB's. You don't know how our season will go. I predicted we would win no more than 5-6 games, but what do I know? We may win more or less. What I do know is we go through 3-4 QB's a year. Let's wait until the trade deadline, I believe it's November 10th and see where we stand then.


It's not a wait and see in some cases, as I said in some.

If a team is in desperate need, they may offer more for a player than just simply waiting on a player for a tradeline date.
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Re: Education PitDAWG 09/25/26 07:17 PM
Do you not think this has been going on for decades? You yourself just admitted it has been going on for 20 plus years. Do you honestly believe it wasn't going on before that? I saw people getting high school diplomas who could barely write their names. I would just like for you to tell me a time when you think colleges weren't doing everything possible to fill every seat and dorm room they had available?

The first form of student loans began in 1958. Direct college loans from the government began in 1994.

In 1994, the average annual cost for one year at a public four-year college was about $2,681 for in-state tuition and fees, or roughly $6,670 including room and board, making a four-year public degree roughly $10,700 to $26,700 total.

The average annual cost for a four-year college in 2025 ranged from roughly $11,610 to $43,350 per year for tuition alone, or $29,910 to $62,990 per year including room, board, and living expenses.

Once again, can you name at which point in time colleges weren't trying to fill every seat and fill every dorm room?
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Re: Browns new cont. 2 PitDAWG 09/25/26 07:06 PM
I get what you're saying. However you're trying to compare the 7th overall pick in the draft at QB to pick #144 at the same position.

Teams don't give up or trade the #7 overall pick in the draft at QB after a single season. The entire NFL felt it was the right choice to leave Sanders on the board until the fifth round. No team actually feels it's a legitimate attempt to draft a starting QB at pick #144. A decent shot at a backup and a hope and a prayer as a starter at best. They already had their preconceived value of Sanders before that draft began. Nothing he has done since then has given them cause to think differently now.

Based on stats alone I get your point. But overall this is an apples to oranges comparison.
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Re: Supreme Court has given the Trump administration the green light to use a federal citizenship database to verify voters PitDAWG 09/25/26 06:52 PM
The emergency order allows states, for now, to use the Trump administration's revamped version of a Department of Homeland Security program, called Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE, in their efforts to verify the eligibility of voters on their rolls. It's a program that has drawn scrutiny for its use of voters' sensitive personal data and its tendency to wrongly flag some eligible voters as noncitizens.

The court's three liberal-leaning justices publicly dissented from the decision.

States' use of the SAVE program is voluntary, limiting the ruling's impact on the midterm elections. Existing law also blocks most states from systematically purging voters from their rolls within 90 days of an election, said David Becker, an election law expert who leads the Center for Election Innovation and Research. He said DHS itself has admitted the data is not perfect.

Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, a Democrat who has refused to participate in the SAVE program, said the ruling will have no effect in her state because it “does not force states to change the way we run our elections.”

The plaintiffs and their lawyers in the case called the ruling “profoundly disappointing” and said it puts “millions of Americans at risk of being unlawfully targeted by the administration’s unreliable voter purge database” before the midterms.

On X, James Percival, the general counsel for DHS, responded to a post about the decision with, “Yes, you read that right. We had to file an emergency petition in the Supreme Court just so we could use government data to help states stop noncitizens from illegally voting.”

Ruling pauses a lower court's ban on the tool

The court’s order puts on hold a federal judge’s June ruling that had deemed the Republican administration’s recently revamped version of SAVE illegal. U.S. District Court Judge Sparkle L. Sooknanan had blocked the use of the tool, saying it violated Americans’ privacy rights and could result in voters being wrongly removed from the rolls.

A federal appeals court let her order stand.

But the Supreme Court majority found that a 1996 law explicitly allows DHS to get information about citizenship and immigration from other federal agencies. The federal government also has “an obligation to respond” to states seeking to verify citizenship.

“The order below prevents the Federal Government from using the program it believes is best suited to the task,” the majority wrote in the unsigned order.

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson dissented, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor. The database has long been seen to fall under federal privacy laws, she wrote, and there are real risks that legitimate voter registrations could be mistakenly revoked.

“The harm caused by burdening or disenfranchising even a few lawful voters outweighs the nonexistent harm that the Government experiences when it is prevented from taking an action that it likely lacks the authority to take,” Jackson wrote.

The plaintiffs pledged to do “everything in our power” to ensure the district court decision stands.
Trump administration tool has wrongly flagged some legal registrants

The SAVE program was created under an immigration law mandating that DHS help federal, state and local agencies prevent government benefits from going to noncitizens. The Trump administration last year moved to significantly expand its search abilities. Since then, at least 67 million registrations have been scanned through the program, but critics worry it could end up purging valid voters from the rolls.

Some registrants have already been wrongly flagged. In Travis County, Texas, for example, officials said they investigated 97 voters flagged by SAVE as apparent noncitizens and found that at least 10% of them — and likely up to 21% — were U.S. citizens. The county urged the Supreme Court to reject the administration’s appeal, while the state of Texas submitted its own brief defending the database.

In Denton, Texas, north of Dallas, voter Anthony Nels was disappointed that the Supreme Court allowed the continued use “of a system that harms people’s constitutional right to vote.”

Last year, after Texas ran its voter registrations through the SAVE system, Nels, 29, was flagged as a potential noncitizen, even though the South Africa native had become a U.S. citizen more than a decade ago. His local election office temporarily canceled his registration while he obtained a new passport to replace an expired one.

“This just seems like another illegitimate way to affect upcoming and future elections,” he said in a text to The Associated Press.

Stephen Richer, the Republican former top election official in Arizona's largest county, said the Supreme Court's ruling could be a positive step “if used responsibly.”

“That being said, the SAVE program has been shown time after time to be a highly-imperfect tool, so election administrators should only use it as a starting point, not as a definitive indicator of citizenship,” he wrote on social media.
SAVE is one piece of the administration's crusade against noncitizen voting

Even though the use of the SAVE program was blocked for months ahead of Friday's ruling, the administration has said in court filings that it has continued using Social Security Administration data "in certain cases to verify information and help determine whether illegal voting may have occurred."

DHS in August launched its own investigation to find noncitizen voters on state rolls, according to a federal whistleblower statement that said the effort is rushed, filled with errors and potentially violates state laws. DHS has defended that investigation as being conducted “diligently and professionally.”

Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin also suggested over the summer that there could be as many as 250,000 noncitizens registered to vote across four states, an unsubstantiated claim that puzzled state election officials who said the numbers dramatically exceeded their own findings.

The effort to create a national voter list is among numerous steps Trump has taken during his second term to try to overhaul the way elections are run. Most of those steps have been blocked by various courts, in part because the Constitution gives states and Congress the authority to set election rules, but provides no such power to the president. In mid-September, the Supreme Court rejected a bid from Trump to restrict mail ballot procedures before the midterms.

Trump has remained fixated on the idea that massive numbers of noncitizens are voting in U.S. races, but all evidence says otherwise.

Ahead of the 2024 presidential election, Georgia’s secretary of state found that 20 of the state’s 8.2 million registered voters were not U.S. citizens. In Ohio, prosecutors secured indictments against nine people for voting as noncitizens over the span of 10 years. The state has some 8 million registered voters. Even with the Trump administration laser-focused on the issue in his second term, DHS said its investigations into potential noncitizens on voter rolls nationwide had led to 160 arrests.

Those numbers are supported by a mountain of research at the national and state level that has found the percentage of noncitizens on voter rolls is a tiny fraction of the nation's registered voters.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nat...eral-voter-eligibility-database/4148570/

In the end we will find out if this will be used as a tool or a weapon. If it actually lives up to what it claims it will do that's a good thing and a useful tool.

If it ends up targeting legal voters in closely contested red states where they lose and is used in order to refuse confirming their elections results that is using it as a weapon. I can see a scenario where this could tie up election results closely in closely contested red states in the courts so long it will not be settled until trump leaves office. It's easy to claim something and make proving it's false a very difficult task.

Time will tell.
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Re: The Dems......again MemphisBrownie 09/25/26 04:47 PM

rofl
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Re: The White House launches ‘Trump TV’ after media ban Damanshot 09/25/26 01:07 PM
You know how Republicans or should I say, MAGA keeps telling us that Democrats/Liberals are communists? Think of RTR......Then you'll know what is and isn't Communist.
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Re: Cleveland Guardians 2.0 bonefish 09/25/26 12:28 PM
Baseball has taught me it is one pitch at a time.

I am guilty of looking at favorable pitching match-ups. I always check what today's starter has done on his last three starts.

But I know things can play out and go the wrong way.

Once the post season begins you can throw away all the "favorite talk."

Baseball can humble favorites.
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Re: Dawgtalkers Pickum Pool 2026 Dawgs4Life 09/24/26 10:54 PM
I suck at picks thus far, but that's a normal feeling lol
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 09/24/26 03:53 PM
The furries are coming to get you!

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Re: Poltical Jokes Part 5 PitDAWG 09/23/26 07:35 PM
In a sign of support and standing in solidarity with the media against trump banning CNN, MS Now and Politico from The White House, Spanks has immediately stopped production of its ankle girdles.
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Re: Quarterbacks Milk Man 09/22/26 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
We should have (5) 1st round draft picks by then, sign me up!

Lol.

[Linked Image from media3.giphy.com]
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Re: More Music bonefish 09/22/26 03:27 PM
If I could sing.

I would want to be able to sing like Nat King Cole or Joe Cocker.
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Re: Coulda, woulda, should oobernoober 09/21/26 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
Originally Posted by Bard Dawg
Browns coulda dropped DW and eaten the loss. Keeping him now for the money considerations, and I see no way forward that includes him. We shoulda kept Schwartz; last game was a larger step backward than I anticipated. We woulda been ahead with a few more veterans, because MG's loss has more impact than we have seen yet.
Cute mental exercise to show common ground in Browns fans. But we have managed two things: First, we failed to address QB even in our own room, and we wasted time and reps doing so. Second, our basic fundamentals, especially tackling, blocking, pass rushing, and play mix are not going resemble how we see winning teams demonstrate. Cringe-worthy it is.


There is no way the Browns could have dropped Watson this season. The cap hit would have just destroyed their ability to field a team. They had to play out this team, and then designate him as a post June release so they can split the total left at that point between 2027 and 2028. If we had just dumped him this year, the dead cap was something like $128 million.

Definitely couldn't have dropped him, but I'm curious how much of the restructures to drag out the cap hit were necessary or if we were still trying to save the plan vs blow everything up.
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Re: this got to me KNOXDAWG 09/20/26 09:40 PM
i guess you could re sign with the same losing team for more money and then bolt to another SB contender for even more money. that could ease a lot of pain
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Re: GM has passed bringbackbernie 09/20/26 05:37 AM
So sorry to hear this. He was one of the first posters I interacted with when I joined the original board back in 2003. Wish I could have met him, he seemed like a great guy.
RIP GM
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Re: Border Crossings jfanent 09/20/26 12:54 AM
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
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Re: Democracy indicators in US at lowest levels for 50 years, data shows PitDAWG 09/19/26 08:21 PM
We get it. All of you ignore what trump does and says while blaming others for posting it. It's a very weak attempt at deflection and blaming the messenger rather than addressing the message but it's better than nothing I suppose.
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Re: Trump Jr.’s Private Bahamas Wedding Was Financed By A Russian Oligarch Close To Putin: ProPublica Nina Golgowski Mon, September 14, 2026 at PitDAWG 09/19/26 04:28 PM
See I told you so.



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Re: Browns News cont. Bard Dawg 09/19/26 03:48 PM
He did more to "make" SS IMO versus SS on his own skills. This is the Bigs, and someone decided SS couldn't manage it on his own. Disappointing.
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Re: White House report brands Smithsonian leadership as radical activists who can’t be trusted PitDAWG 09/17/26 05:19 PM
Trump Plans to Place Warning Signs Outside Smithsonian Accusing Museum of Biased View of U.S. History: Report

Interior Secretary Doug Burgum’s letter says visitors should be given additional context about the museum’s exhibits about the nation’s past

The Trump administration is moving forward with plans to place temporary warning signs outside the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History, adding a new chapter to the White House’s dispute with the institution over how American history should be portrayed.

The National Park Service is expected to install roughly a dozen signs outside the museum at an estimated cost of about $84,000, according to a Sept. 3 letter from Interior Secretary Doug Burgum to Sen. Jeff Merkley, obtained by The Atlantic.

The project follows President Donald Trump’s July executive order directing the administration to install temporary signage and exhibits connected to the museum.

In another letter to Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, Burgum addressed questions surrounding Trump’s March 2025 executive order, titled “Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History.”

The order accused a nationwide “revisionist movement” of portraying the United States’ founding principles and major historical achievements in a negative way, arguing that such efforts diminish the country’s accomplishments, according to The New York Times.

The signs have not been finalized, and their exact wording remains unclear, the Times reported.

Burgum’s letter offers a preview of the administration’s intended approach. It says visitors should receive additional information about the exhibits before entering the museum, including context about the perspectives of Smithsonian officials and curators.

The administration has repeatedly accused the museum of presenting American history through an ideological lens. A White House report released earlier this year made similar allegations, arguing that certain exhibits and educational materials reflect political viewpoints rather than what the administration considers a straightforward account of the nation’s history.

The Smithsonian, for its part, has defended its approach as grounded in scholarship, accuracy and nonpartisanship.

National Museum of American History Director Anthea Hartig has told lawmakers that the museum does not take sides in contemporary political debates and instead seeks to preserve evidence of American life so visitors can form their own conclusions.

Burgum’s letter specifically highlights statements made by Hartig and former Smithsonian Secretary Lonnie Bunch. It also references museum exhibits and educational materials dealing with subjects including race, immigration and transgender Americans.

The administration’s criticism comes as Trump and his allies have pushed for broader changes across the Smithsonian.

If the plans proceed, visitors approaching the National Museum of American History could soon encounter government-funded signs offering a critical perspective on the museum before entering.

https://people.com/trump-plans-to-place-warning-signs-outside-smithsonian-museum-report-12124293

I wonder if a court stops the posting of these signs if he'll threaten to demolish the Smithsonian Institute as well?
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Re: Post office complicit in plans to deny millions of mail in ballots PitDAWG 09/17/26 05:05 PM
I hope you don't give up your day job for a career in stand up comedy.
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Re: Browns Season Record Prediction Thread Floquinho 09/17/26 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
Haslam is the leader of the organization because he owns the Browns.

Everything begins with him. So questions of leadership start there.

Berry was hired to build the roster. His responsibilities include building the staff to assist in building the roster which includes scouting and evaluation. He also is in charge of negotiating player contracts and managing the cap.

His success or failure does not have much to do with charisma. His job is not public speaking or leading a team.

His job is finding good players in the draft and free agency. And managing the salary cap and contracts.

Judging Berry starts with the roster. Personal charisma is not involved in player evaluation.

Manage the cap so you can sign free agents for positional needs. Evaluate the players entering the draft. Then position the team as best as possible to draft the players that have been identified to improve the roster.

Berry's success or failure is based upon the players on the team and the head coach he hired (or, Haslam hired).

We’re talking about leadership and building a winning culture.

It starts with Haslam—that’s spot on. And the person within the organization who ultimately gives the orders and hires the coaches and players is the GM. That’s spot on, too.

But the person who sets the tone is the top dog in the building. Haslam may be the Holy Ghost hovering somewhere above Berea, but the flesh-and-blood person issuing the orders is Andrew freaking Berry.

Who establishes the standards inside Berea?

Who makes sure the players and coaches live up to those standards?

Who holds people in the building accountable?

Remember Shedeur Sanders’ speeding incidents and how the GM handled them, then compare that with the response when Watson got his speeding ticket. That’s called a double standard—and double standards set the tone just as clearly as any inspirational slogan hanging on a wall.

I’m not disputing your overall view, because you’re right. I’m simply adding a few more elements to what it means to be the so-called leader of an organization.

Here’s the thing:

Winners attract winners. Discipline grows out of discipline. Standards are defined far more by what you do than by what you say.

Mental toughness and a never-say-die attitude are states of mind. People who possess those qualities recognize them when they see them. Those who don’t often have no idea what they should even be looking for—which might explain quite a lot about the Browns’ talent-evaluation process.

Bakers first game as a Brown

I’m adding this because it captures attitude, courage, and leadership.

Forget for a moment that the quarterback is Baker Mayfield, along with all his flaws, and focus instead on his energy, attitude, and positive mindset.

That’s the team I fell in love with: Jarvis walking around with that unmistakable swagger, Baker carrying himself like a veteran despite it being his first game, Higgins with that huge smile, and Chubb displaying his quiet toughness.

The culture was already alive within that team and embodied by those players. When they left, part of that winning culture left with them.
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Re: Trump threatens trade war if rates aren’t cut after strong jobs report PitDAWG 09/17/26 02:43 PM
Trump blames Fed board for rates hike

NEW YORK, Sept. 16 (Xinhua) -- U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday accused what he called a "hostile" and "political" Federal Reserve board of raising interest rates.

Sparing Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh from criticism Wednesday evening, Trump told reporters, "I'm relying on Kevin, but he has got a very tough board." All 12 voting members of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), including Warsh, voted in favor of the rate hike.

"The plain fact is that inflation is too high and has been for too long," Warsh said at a press conference after the FOMC meeting. "The Committee's unanimous vote shows our resolve to achieve price stability on a timelier basis."

He added that achieving stable prices has been a challenge for more than five and a half years.

Trump claimed that the FOMC raised interest rates to hurt him politically. "They're raising that only for political reasons, and that's a raise against Trump. They are raising the rates to make Trump do as bad as he can possibly do."

Inflation has been a major concern for consumers ahead of the November midterm election.

The Fed on Wednesday raised its target federal funds rate by 25 basis points to a range of 3.75 percent to 4 percent to address persistent inflation, marking its first interest rate hike since July 2023.

Following the rate hike announcement, Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social that interest rates should be 1 percent or less because the United States is the "best credit in the world -- BY FAR."

https://en.people.cn/n3/2026/0917/c90000-20500894.html

Not only did trump appoint Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh, he also appointed two members of the board. The vote was unanimous.

Trump's theory? They're out to get him.
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Re: Iran War... MoU and forward PitDAWG 09/16/26 02:28 PM
First trump blames Ukraine for the rise in diesel fuel prices then rambles on about windmills and drilling for oil..... again.



As per usual the situation we find ourselves in that he himself caused is the fault of everyone else. Just ask him.
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