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Re: What Now Pt. 2 Homewood Dog 02/01/26 07:11 PM
If you have a contract, you should honor that contract. That would be the admirable thing to do. I think in the long run JS would look better if he did. Again JMO
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Re: ICE Continued PitDAWG 02/01/26 07:00 PM
American citizen briefly detained and released. Even the police aren't allowed to pull you over this way unless you are the suspect of a violent felony.

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Re: More Music PitDAWG 02/01/26 06:10 PM
The closest thing I've seen to a modern day Bob Dillon................................

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Re: Browns Hire Travis Switzer as OC Milk Man 02/01/26 05:09 PM
I know Switzer has not been officially hired, but by all account he is going to be named OC. I have not seen where the Browns fulfilled the Rooney Rule requirement for the OC position. Might be tough to get someone to go through the motions if they've already settled on an OC.
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Re: Poltical Jokes Part 5 FATE 02/01/26 05:06 PM
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Re: Cavs/NBA 2.0 YTownBrownsFan 02/01/26 02:31 PM
Here are the trade grades, but I wanted to add that our next move has to be getting rid of Lonzo Ball, our other really disappointing trade.

NBA trade grades: Cavaliers get high marks for acquiring Keon Ellis from Kings - CBS Sports
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/keon-ellis-deandre-hunter-trade-grades-cavaliers-kings-bulls/

The second trade of the 2025-26 NBA season has arrived, and it's a doozy. Almost a month after the Hawks kicked off trade season by sending Trae Young to Washington, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Sacramento Kings and Chicago Bulls have gotten together for a subtle but meaningful three-team deal that should beef up Cleveland's bench for the stretch run. Here are the details, according to ESPN's Shams Charania:

Cavaliers receive: Dennis Schröder, Keon Ellis

Kings receive: De'Andre Hunter

Bulls receive: Dario Šarić, two second-round picks

So, how did all three teams do in the deal?

Cleveland Cavaliers: A-
Cleveland came into the 2025 offseason needing to address two areas. The first was point-of-attack defense, as their defense relied heavily on their two stellar big men. The second was a backup ball-handler to replace Sixth Man of the Year candidate Ty Jerome, who was critical to last year's roster but was going to be out of their price range as a second-apron team in free agency. Cleveland tried to tackle both slots at once by trading for Lonzo Ball, who was stellar for Chicago last year, but has struggled for the Cavaliers this season.

So instead, they made this deal to address both needs. Let's start with Schröder. He is obviously inconsistent, and played badly for Sacramento this season. However, I'd like to point out one of the strangest trends in the NBA. Cleveland will be the seventh team Schröder has played for in the past four seasons... and he seems to alternate between playing great and playing badly with each passing move.

He was so good for the 2022-23 Lakers that the Raptors rewarded him with a mid-level contract. The Raptors had him for half of a season, said no thanks, and dumped him on Brooklyn. He was so good for the Nets that they had to trade him on Dec. 15, the first day Golden State could legally make the trade, just to stop him from winning them games as they tried to tank. He was so badly afterward for the Warriors that Golden State traded him less than two months later in the Jimmy Butler deal. He was great for Detroit down the stretch, and he used that success to get another mid-level deal from the Kings, with whom he struggled this season. So if the trend holds? Cleveland gets the Sixth Man of the Year candidate version of him, not the bad contract version.

In all seriousness, Cleveland ranks 23rd in the NBA in bench scoring. The Cavaliers score 10 fewer points per 100 possessions when Donovan Mitchell goes to the bench. Schröder theoretically helps on both fronts, and while he's small, he's a ferocious on-ball defender in the right matchups. Against other small guards, he's actually fairly valuable on defense. Speaking of valuable on defense, we have Ellis, who has undergone one of the stranger playing time sagas in recent memory.

Ellis, a 2022 undrafted free agent, emerged as a key starter for the Kings down the stretch of the 2023-24 season. He was perhaps the best defender that team had, and he shot above 40% on 3-pointers in a supporting role. That's exactly the sort of player the modern NBA prizes. Which made it all the stranger when head coach Mike Brown started yanking his minutes around last season. The trend continued this year. His effectiveness hasn't really dipped, though he's now shooting "only" around league average from 3 after multiple years above 40%. The Kings just seemingly soured on him as a player. Their loss is Cleveland's gain, as the Cavaliers get two very helpful role players in this deal.

The cost for Cleveland? De'Andre Hunter... a player they were seemingly trying to cap dump anyway. The Cavaliers acquired Hunter at last year's deadline, but his shooting declined precipitously this season, and despite excellent defensive tools, he has never consistently been a high-level defensive player. Hunter fits the vague outline of a 3-and-D wing. He's big and athletic and he takes a lot of shots. But his production has never matched the idea of what he could be. He's now 28. He went through a playoff run last season. It seems like if it were ever going to happen for him, it would have already. And with the emergence of breakout young forward Jaylon Tyson coupled with the impending return of Max Strus, Hunter had simply been edged out of Cleveland's long-term plans.

And that's the cherry on top of this trade for the Cavaliers. Hunter was arguably bad salary not only for this season, but next year, when he's owed almost $25 million. The Cavaliers not only got off of that money, but they saved around $50 million in the process. The Cavaliers had such a gargantuan luxury tax bill that the drop from Hunter to Schröder and Ellis trims a huge chunk off of their payroll. Now Cleveland could even potentially get out of the second apron entirely by dumping Lonzo Ball and making some other moves around the fringes. The Cavaliers entered this deadline cycle with a payroll approaching $400 million while operating around $22 million above the second apron. Improving their team while potentially ducking the second apron without having to give up a first-round pick would be an absolute home run of a deadline. Cleveland owes most of its draft capital to Utah from the Donovan Mitchell trade, so they've made lemonade out of the deadline lemons they were working with.

Sacramento Kings: D
We covered what was happening to Ellis on the court in the Cavaliers section. I briefly want to touch on what happened to Ellis off of the court last summer that necessitated this trade. Sacramento had a team option on Ellis' contract worth roughly the minimum. This is fairly standard for undrafted or second-round success stories, and the smart play is usually to decline that team option. Why? Because it makes the player a restricted free agent. That way, he can get guaranteed, life-changing money faster, while you can lock the player up under team-friendly terms thanks to the matching rights that come in restricted free agency. Oklahoma City uses this strategy all of the time. It's how the Thunder locked Lu Dort, Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe and Jaylin Williams into below-market contracts.

Well, apparently the Kings, lottery dwellers in 17 of the past 18 seasons, know better than the defending champion Thunder, because they picked up their option on Ellis. That allowed them to keep him at roughly the minimum, but it meant he would be an unrestricted free agent in 2026. They used the extra financial flexibility gained by keeping Ellis at a low cap figure to sign Schröder, whom they spent most of this season trying to dump when he got outplayed by Russell Westbrook on a minimum salary.

As all of this was happening, the sharks started circling on Ellis. Sacramento never seemed bothered by the fact that the smartest teams in the league, lik the Cavaliers, the Celtics and the Spurs, were all interested in Ellis. Nope. This was a player the Kings needed to dump... probably because they knew one of those smart teams was going to swipe him in free agency next summer for nothing. Reporting had indicated the Kings wanted a first-round pick for Ellis. Shocker: they didn't get one. Because they've mismanaged this situation for months in ways that the entire basketball world vocally criticized them for. How the team that gave away Tyrese Haliburton generated this level of self-confidence, I will never quite understand.

The end result here is Sacramento winding up with Hunter. Now, in theory, the Kings are very short on wings. Keegan Murray is the only good one on the team. But think about where Sacramento is as a franchise. The Kings literally have the worst record in the NBA right before a generational draft class arrives. Virtually every player on their roster is on the trading block as they seem set to kick off a rebuild. And they've added an expensive veteran in his prime, taking them far beyond the projected luxury tax for next season unless they make follow-up moves.

What on Earth is the plan here? What is the version of this trade that qualifies as a success for Sacramento? If Hunter struggles as he did in Cleveland this season, they've effectively given up one of their few trade chips for someone the league will perceive as a bad contract. But if Hunter bounces back and looks more like he did last season before Cleveland traded for him, they will have added someone who will help them win games they really should be trying to lose.

Are the Kings so bad that they don't fear improvement, and merely like the 28-year-old Hunter as a long-term fixture to hover around the background while they tank and maybe help them two or three years down the line when they're ready to try to win again? That seems the likeliest explanation here, and for what it's worth, despite this year's struggles and the generally disappointing arc his career has taken relative to his potential, Hunter is a serviceable NBA wing. Those are in short supply and the Kings needed one. They just took the Kingsiest possible route to getting one. The Beam Team has never felt further away. The good old Kangz are back in full force.

They avoid an "F" mostly because the trade isn't big enough to be genuinely harmful. They're not giving away unprotected picks or taking on four-year deals. And hey, I guess they saved the $4.3 million guarantee on Schröder's deal for the 2027-28 season, so that's... something. They'll also be able to convert two-way big man Dylan Caldwell, who has been a pleasant surprise defensively, to a standard contract. You just had to imagine there were easier ways to go about doing that.

Chicago Bulls: C+
Look, Chicago's end of the deal here is harmless enough. The Bulls take on the $5.4 million in salary owed to Dario Šarić in order to make the money work for Sacramento. They get a couple of second-round picks for their help. This is broadly what bad teams like the Bulls should be doing with their money. It's no game-changer, but hey, incremental improvements are nice, so the Bulls get an above-average grade.

However, I do want to take a moment and talk about the optics of Chicago and Sacramento uniting in yet another three-team trade. This is the third consecutive calendar year in which the Bulls and Kings have collaborated on a three-team deal. Let's look at how that's gone for them...

In the summer of 2024, the Kings wanted to acquire DeMar DeRozan in a sign-and-trade from the Bulls. The Bulls, however, did not want to take on the salary of Harrison Barnes to facilitate the deal, so they looped in the Spurs. The Kings gave San Antonio unprotected first-round swap rights in 2031, you know, right as Victor Wembanyama should be smack dab in the middle of his prime, just for taking on Barnes, who has been a solid starter and beloved locker room veteran for them as they've ascended back in to the Western Conference contender class. Meanwhile, the Kings are trying to cap dump DeRozan, whose contract runs a year longer than Barnes' did. Great work, guys.
At the 2025 deadline, DeAaron Fox tried to force his way to San Antonio through a trade request. The Spurs ultimately paid what was regarded as a meager draft asset price and no meaningful young talent to land their All-Star point guard. The Kings, not wanting to accept the need to rebuild. looped the Bulls in and traded for Zach LaVine, who, as we keep saying over and over again today, they're now trying to cap dump. Don't give Chicago credit for getting off of the contract, either. LaVine seemingly had positive trade value at the time. The Bulls got a first-round pick back for him, after all. The problem? It was their own 2025 first-round pick... which was top-eight protected. The Bulls traded for a pick they easily could have tanked in order to keep because they were that desperate to reach the Play-In Tournament and suffer their annual April loss to the Heat. The cherry on top: Sacramento didn't regain control over its 2031 pick in the Fox deal. That pick, which the Kings regarded so lightly that they paid it to dump a contract six months earlier, was suddenly so valuable that the Spurs wouldn't give it up to get an All-Star.
Now, we have this deal. Chicago's end of it was fine, but there's something ominous about any trade that involves both the Bulls and Kings. They've spent the past few seasons co-running a charity for well-run organizations. I shudder to think of what sort of heist their 2027 dalliance will create for one lucky contender.
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Re: college quarterback prospects bonefish 02/01/26 12:39 PM
Nussmeier is an interesting prospect.

He does remind me of Brees.

He can spin it. College results are not always the sole criterion for evaluation.

You always have to project how a guy handles the transition to the pros. That is why it so difficult.

Because he does not have the ideal measureables and how the season went. He probably goes late first or second round.

He falls into the great "hit or miss" type guy.

Depending on how the draft goes. He might be worth the risk.
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Re: DOJ, FBI conclude Jeffrey Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide GMdawg 02/01/26 08:22 AM
Originally Posted by Clemdawg
so.
much.
smoke.


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Re: Player News Floquinho 01/31/26 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Floquinho
“I know there’s a perception out there, but we don’t tell Andrew what to do. He brought [the idea of a fully guaranteed contract] to us and said, ‘This is what I think would get it done.’”

This quote from Jimmy Haslam was in an article from March 29, 2022 (Nate Ulrich, Akron Beacon Journal).

According to the Browns owner, the idea of giving the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history to Deshaun Watson was cooked up by Andrew Berry.

“Andrew gets all the credit for not giving up. Keep digging and digging.”

Ulrich wrote that Haslam “insisted it was Berry’s decision to continue the pursuit.”

When asked about the record-setting guaranteed contract, Paul DePodesta said, “I doubt it’ll be a record for very long.”

So far, the only player to receive more guaranteed money has been Josh Allen ($250M).

(h/t @BenAxelrod for digging this up earlier today)

Haslem told him to go get Watson, Berry did his job. Is that what you're trying to prove here?

I know it’s sometimes exhausting to read a whole article but I highlighted the source in case it’s hard for you to fully understand where these quotes come from..


The owner himself has now presented two versions.

A) he doesn’t interfere with his GM and if Berry wanted the trade he supported it.
B) the decision to trade for Watson was an organizational decision.

It doesn’t matter what the truth is because only those involved know what happened and so far only one involved part has spoken.

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Re: CBS Leading Head Coaching (Coordinators) Candidates Milk Man 01/31/26 08:02 PM
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Re: Todd Monken Hired as Browns HC PitDAWG 01/31/26 06:57 PM
That's for sure!
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Re: 2026 NFL Salary Cap MemphisBrownie 01/31/26 05:09 PM
j/c:

kIcKiNg dAt cAn!!!
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Re: Former CNN journalist Don Lemon arrested in connection with Minnesota protest PitDAWG 01/30/26 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
j/c:

A Federal Grand Jury indicting Lemon is the best thing for his career. He was essentially an irrelevant podcaster. Now, he'll get clicks/downloads/ etc. as a result of the indictment.


Money, money, money. MONEY!

So you're saying trump's justice department is increasing his fame, enriching him and lining his pockets with cash? If that's true it just goes to show how truly stupid they must be.
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Re: Trump sues IRS and Treasury Department for $10 billion over tax return leak PrplPplEater 01/30/26 07:36 PM
This is absurdity.




At the least, maybe - just maybe - it will result in people in government taking better care of data and...




.... yeah, I can't even type that with a straight face.
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Re: The. Dems. Damanshot 01/30/26 07:31 PM
Why is this a big deal? This kinda like the time Obama wore a Tan Suit... you'd have thought he was a commie! Such Outrage....
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Re: Cleveland Guardians 2.0 Milk Man 01/29/26 09:43 PM
This is great. Love Jose.

Just a couple more months and it'll be time to get back to the corner of Carnegie and Ontario.
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Re: Minnesota Republican drops out of governor's race, citing GOP's handling of immigration enforcement PitDAWG 01/29/26 07:29 PM
Jan. 6 Defendant Tells ‘Patriots’ To Go to Minneapolis To Support ICE

https://www.newsweek.com/jan-6-defe...IiNpdw8pHPMijNM5KL7gw#Echobox=1769704317

An actual domestic terrorist.
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Re: Rejecting Decades of Science, Vaccine Panel Chair Says Polio and Other Shots Should Be Optional PitDAWG 01/29/26 05:57 PM
RFK Jr. taps vaccine critics for federal autism advisory panel

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. completed an overhaul of the federal committee that advises the government on autism policy by appointing several well-known vaccine critics.

Why it matters: Adding anti-vaccine figures could give Kennedy cover to push for more studies and other actions that promote the widely debunked claim that vaccines may cause autism.

State of play: Among 21 new members are John Gilmore, executive director of the Autism Action Network, which advocates against vaccine mandates, and Toby Rogers, a fellow at the Brownstone Institute for Social and Economic Research, per a Wednesday announcement.

Rogers has written for the Children's Health Defense, an anti-vaccine group founded by Kennedy. He testified at a House hearing in September that chronic disease epidemics "are primarily caused by toxicants — mostly from vaccines."

Walter Zahorodny, a psychologist who has already spoken publicly with Kennedy about autism research, will serve as a public member of the committee.

Four people affiliated with the Medical Academy of Pediatrics and Special Needs, a professional group focused on integrative and functional health care, were also selected.

Additionally, Kennedy appointed three new members with autism.

Committee recommendations are nonbinding, but shape autism research and programs.

What they're saying: "These public servants will pursue rigorous science and deliver the answers Americans deserve," Kennedy said in a statement announcing the nominations.

Context: The interagency committee was created by Congress in 2000 to coordinate Health and Human Services efforts around autism.

Its charter requires members from the general public to include at least three people who are diagnosed with autism, three who are parents or guardians of people with autism and three from the research or advocacy community.

Federal officials from across government agencies also sit on the panel.

The committee held its most recent public meeting on Jan. 14, 2025, just days before the Trump administration took office. The terms of those who served on the committee at that time have since expired.

A meeting of the new panel will be announced soon, HHS spokesperson Andrew Nixon told Axios.

Between the lines: The committee held an orientation for new members last week, prior to the public announcement, Stat reported.

Autism researchers and self-advocates previously affiliated with the committee told Stat that they were concerned about the lack of transparency around the panel's future.

https://www.axios.com/2026/01/29/vaccine-critics-autism-advisory-panel
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Re: U.S. government has lost more than 10,000 STEM Ph.D.s since Trump took office PitDAWG 01/29/26 05:12 PM
I'm not the one pretending to be the adult in the room when we both attack each other like petulant children. Context has meaning.
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Re: Trump's Newest BFF, Zohran Mamdani PitDAWG 01/29/26 03:54 PM
So the people that came before Mamdani put the city into this situation. So the guy trump's DOJ dropped all the charges against in exchange for a quid pro quo deal. Thanks.
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Re: Browns HC Interviews jfanent 01/28/26 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by 1oldMutt
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by jfanent
Just stop this carnival of idiocy and hire Schwartz already. This retarded process has made us look foolish enough.


BUMP!!!


If it weren’t for bad press they’d have no press at all…

I see they chose the "bad press/carnival of idiocy" route. Shocking.
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Re: Browns News 6.0 1oldMutt 01/28/26 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Great! Now what!?



Oh…darn…
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Re: ICE murdered a US citizen in MN BADdog 01/27/26 01:49 PM
shiney object shiney object look over here!
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Re: Conference Championships Squires 01/27/26 03:51 AM
[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
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Re: Stay Warm Everyone FATE 01/26/26 05:40 PM
That's right. I couldn't remember if you were crew or not. My sister was on that ship shortly after her maiden voyage and loved it!
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